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fezziwig
11-20-2012, 07:03 PM
I'm currious about the NFL and their ways with the league. Seems like a lot of water down teams these days. I believe with having 32 NFL teams it spreads thin the quality of players. There doesn't seem to be enough quality QB's, Tackles, etc. This is just how I am makng a guess on why the same teams always make a run in the playoffs or win the Super Bowls and then there are teams like the Browns and other teams that never seem to craw out of the hole.
I know the NFL placed all the teams on the same level with the draft, the dollars allowed to be spent and so on.
The depth is not there anymore it seems when it comes to backups.
I'm sure front office people and coaches have something to do with the outcome of a teams identity too.

Has the NFL been talking about adding more teams ? I hope not.

lloydroid
11-20-2012, 07:28 PM
Umm, I think they are ruining the league, but not for the reasons you think. I look at it this way: Could adding 4 teams (from the 28 # we had for a long time) really outweigh the amount of new players entering in college football, etc? With today training techniques and "supplements" I feel there must be a higher # of better players than ever before. That being said, these players are going AGAINST better players, making them look worse. In other words, an OT today, who looks bad, might have actually been dominant 20 years ago, but because he faces bigger and faster DEs than in years past, he looks bad by comparison.

When I read the title to this thread, I assumed you were going to assert that they are ruining the league by throwing too many flags, delaying the game too much, too many commercials, and basically not allowing the game to be played as it was intended. The flags have gotten way out of hand. And, it's a violent sport and there is no way to change that without changing what the sport actually is. I guess they could use padded helmets and things like that. I don't know. Some of these games have been virtually unwatchable - the Philly game comes to mind, big time.

NorthCoast
11-20-2012, 08:06 PM
Not the NFL.... it's the litigious swarms that see a huge pot o gold. And the stupid media is only feeding the frenzy and will ultimately set their own demise by focusing on 'hard facts' about football life.

Here is the future of the NFL... and it looks like we are in for a sissified version of the sport we grew up with:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2012-10-23/parents-should-you-let-your-kids-to-play-football

I would also ask the question, how does boxing or UFC get a pass from these lawyers?...

RuthlessBurgher
11-20-2012, 08:20 PM
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DukieBoy
11-20-2012, 08:28 PM
Tired of the seemingly endless replays and reviews of calls and the picking apart of about every 5th play. Guessing it makes for more commercial time and more $$$ for the rich NFL.

fezziwig
11-20-2012, 08:39 PM
Thanks for the post Northern. I'm all in favor of a safer NFL and if they could have fixed that earlier, we would stilll have Ben playing. I also think we will be seeing more rib injuries, shoulder injuries because now, that is where the guys are focusing on with their tackles. Ben out with ribs, Leftwich out with rib injury and I believe another top QB has a rib injury. I'm not saying go back to giving head shots but, something has to give since the NFL is changing how things are done. Maybe there will be a player that has their rib/ribs smashed into an organ and the player dies due to all the focus on head to head hits. I hope we never see anything like that.

lloydroid, I believe if you had taken the players from the earlier days and raised them today to be football players, they would be just as big , fast and strong. Todays guys workout year round and back in the day, the other players had summer jobs. Have you seen Chris Hoke this season on TV ? He has lost a lot of mass/size because he's not working out or eating the same to bulk up. Jeff Hartings one year removed from the NFL and he looked like a pencil neck geek.

I still believe their are steroids these players or some of these players are taking that just aren't on the list to be checked for by the NFL.

fezziwig
11-20-2012, 08:42 PM
Oh yeah, the TV commercials are killing the NFL for sure. Commercials before kick off........ Commercials after kick off......... Review is made there's a commercial. ....... Set the clocks, theres a commercial. Change of the quarters, timeouts, injuries, halftime, kickoff again and after kickoff. Have I missed any commercials ?

lloydroid
11-20-2012, 08:53 PM
Thanks for the post Northern. I'm all in favor of a safer NFL and if they could have fixed that earlier, we would stilll have Ben playing. I also think we will be seeing more rib injuries, shoulder injuries because now, that is where the guys are focusing on with their tackles. Ben out with ribs, Leftwich out with rib injury and I believe another top QB has a rib injury. I'm not saying go back to giving head shots but, something has to give since the NFL is changing how things are done. Maybe there will be a player that has their rib/ribs smashed into an organ and the player dies due to all the focus on head to head hits. I hope we never see anything like that.

lloydroid, I believe if you had taken the players from the earlier days and raised them today to be football players, they would be just as big , fast and strong. Todays guys workout year round and back in the day, the other players had summer jobs. Have you seen Chris Hoke this season on TV ? He has lost a lot of mass/size because he's not working out or eating the same to bulk up. Jeff Hartings one year removed from the NFL and he looked like a pencil neck geek.

I still believe their are steroids these players or some of these players are taking that just aren't on the list to be checked for by the NFL.

Did you see how Tony Boselli shrunk after he was out of the game? Maybe the most extreme shrinking I have seen. He literally doesn't appear to be a big guy, after being one of the best OTs in the NFL. I would say it's safe to say a great many of players are on PEDs. People I know who would know say you have to almost try to get caught in order to get caught. After you are caught, it is much harder, but getting caught in the first place is very easy to avoid - they don't do blood testing, just urine, and that's easily avoided detection. You know when you are going to get piss tested and you just do the things needed to mask it. Also, they have no test for HGH, especially if they don't draw blood.

lloydroid
11-20-2012, 08:55 PM
Oh yeah, the TV commercials are killing the NFL for sure. Commercials before kick off........ Commercials after kick off......... Review is made there's a commercial. ....... Set the clocks, theres a commercial. Change of the quarters, timeouts, injuries, halftime, kickoff again and after kickoff. Have I missed any commercials ?

That is why I love the NFL Ticket and NFL Redzone. I absolutely refuse to sit and watch commercials, as I had to when watching games at the bar. Today, I keep switching to other games until I find a live game. And if by some how every single game is on commercial I switch to a movie. I just refuse to watch their endless crap.

fezziwig
11-20-2012, 10:14 PM
I program the TV to copy all the Steeler games. Many times I allow a half hour of the game to go by before I start watching the taped version. At this point I can start fast forwarding through the commercials.

ikestops85
11-20-2012, 10:18 PM
That is why I love the NFL Ticket and NFL Redzone. I absolutely refuse to sit and watch commercials, as I had to when watching games at the bar. Today, I keep switching to other games until I find a live game. And if by some how every single game is on commercial I switch to a movie. I just refuse to watch their endless crap.

That's why the redzone is so great!! It's hard to find time to go get another beer ... but somehow I manage. :Beer

hawaiiansteel
11-20-2012, 10:25 PM
That's why the redzone is so great!! It's hard to find time to go get another beer ... but somehow I manage. :Beer

your strength knows no bounds...:Cheers

tiproast
11-20-2012, 10:40 PM
I blame Bill Polian. After the Patriots DBs did a Mel Blount to the Colts WRs in the 2003 playoffs, he got the league to wussify the coverage rules even more than they did for Don Shula during the Marino years.

Of course, I may have been wearing Flying Elvis shaped sunglasses when I typed that, but that doesn't mean it's not true. :D

Djfan
11-20-2012, 10:48 PM
You're right Tiproast, and there are about 300 other examples of such accommodations. It is not even close to the game I grew up loving. Seeing a great athletic play called back and fined because the defensive guy is guilty until proven to be a non-Steeler is just annoying.

I really watch less and less of it. I watch NO non-Steelers games, and rarely watch the whole Steeler game. It's sad.

The NCAA is VERY exciting this year, though.

tiproast
11-20-2012, 11:00 PM
Yeah, college is more fun these days. And since I went to a small school, I don't have a huge emotional investment when I watch one top-25 team face another one.

Unless the team is coached by a doofus (e.g. Lane Kiffin). Then I root against them.

fezziwig
11-20-2012, 11:14 PM
Let us not forget the price of beer at the games either....... This should add some fire to this thread !

NorthCoast
11-21-2012, 10:36 AM
That is why I love the NFL Ticket and NFL Redzone. I absolutely refuse to sit and watch commercials, as I had to when watching games at the bar. Today, I keep switching to other games until I find a live game. And if by some how every single game is on commercial I switch to a movie. I just refuse to watch their endless crap.

Same here..Redzone is the only way to watch football when the Steelers aren't playing. Even when all games are in commercial they don't do commercials, but show highlight clips from games.... and where I am its pretty cheap too.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
11-21-2012, 11:59 AM
Tired of the seemingly endless replays and reviews of calls and the picking apart of about every 5th play. Guessing it makes for more commercial time and more $$$ for the rich NFL.

IMO, this is something that the NFL has to take from (of all leagues) the NHL. In hockey, there is one central office in Toronto that handles all reviews. I say you set up a studio in NY, set up something like 6 monitoring stations, and everytime there is a review in a game it goes to the studio where the replay official looks at it and sends back the result. The replay official is random as it goes to another station on a rotating basis, and it doesn't involve 60 year old men running half way down the field and back in order to watch the monitor.

fezziwig
11-21-2012, 12:20 PM
IMO, this is something that the NFL has to take from (of all leagues) the NHL. In hockey, there is one central office in Toronto that handles all reviews. I say you set up a studio in NY, set up something like 6 monitoring stations, and everytime there is a review in a game it goes to the studio where the replay official looks at it and sends back the result. The replay official is random as it goes to another station on a rotating basis, and it doesn't involve 60 year old men running half way down the field and back in order to watch the monitor.


Excellent but the trouble is, it makes too much sense.

RuthlessBurgher
11-21-2012, 02:51 PM
I blame Bill Polian. After the Patriots DBs did a Mel Blount to the Colts WRs in the 2003 playoffs, he got the league to wussify the coverage rules even more than they did for Don Shula during the Marino years.

Of course, I may have been wearing Flying Elvis shaped sunglasses when I typed that, but that doesn't mean it's not true. :D

The Flying Elvis logo is an abomination. Your boys need to return to the old Pat Patriot logo from your avatar ASAP.

RuthlessBurgher
11-21-2012, 02:53 PM
Excellent but the trouble is, it makes too much sense.

I agree about the central office reviews, but don't go giving the NHL any credit for making too much sense these days as yet another lockout rolls on and on and on...

fezziwig
11-21-2012, 05:40 PM
I'd probably feel the same way if I was into hockey.

flippy
11-21-2012, 05:53 PM
Heard someone on the radio saying the NFL should get the players to sign liability waivers and agree not to sue the NFL if they want to play.

Also heard Jason Taylor on ESPN saying some guys get hurt and legitimately need help. But too many guys are involved in the lawsuits that don't need to be which is creating the problem. It's probably easier for a guy like JT not to run out of money being a high profile player at a premium position.

Maybe they should rename the NFL, the National Lawyer League.

flippy
11-21-2012, 05:58 PM
I would also ask the question, how does boxing or UFC get a pass from these lawyers?...

Boxing vs UFC should be the model the NFL looks at. UFC is safer because they don't wear boxing gloves and a man's knuckles can't withstand pounding into someone's skull. So the UFC doesn't have head trauma like boxing.

Same for the NFL. The problem is the helmets. If guys didn't have them, they couldn't withstand the head to head collisions. But at the same time, you can't prevent the accidental collisions, so you need some protection. I think the answer is some new material that's strong but soft that acts as a shock absorber.

tiproast
11-21-2012, 06:49 PM
The Flying Elvis logo is an abomination. Your boys need to return to the old Pat Patriot logo from your avatar ASAP.
I agree, but Mr. Goodell and Mr. Kraft do not reply to my emails.

Maybe I should try a different opening salutation - "Dear Mr. Moneygrubbing Panderer To The Lowest Common Denominator" doesn't seem to be very effective.

fezziwig
11-22-2012, 08:48 AM
I agree, but Mr. Goodell and Mr. Kraft do not reply to my emails.

Maybe I should try a different opening salutation - "Dear Mr. Moneygrubbing Panderer To The Lowest Common Denominator" doesn't seem to be very effective.

Is Mr. Moneygrubbing Pandere, Goodell or Kraft ?
And yes, the old Patriot Logo is the best. As a young kid I picked the Patriots as my alternate team when the Steelers were not in the playoffs just because of their logo/uniforms. Now that Kraft/Bellicheat have ruined the honesty of the game, I have no respect for the organization. Logo is still cool but, it only reminds me of how they skewed the true results of the NFL for so many seasons.

Djfan
11-25-2012, 05:37 PM
Tiproast, you're alright.

I didn't watch more than three minutes of the game today. And, I watched it because it was on in the sports bar next to the pet store that my son and I were waiting to open. I saw the fumble on the 12 (?) yard line by Redman, and the subsequent TD for the stains. I had enough.

Had a GREAT time with him goose hunting this morning. Too bad the geese don't know it's time to come south.