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flippy
11-19-2012, 08:49 AM
Look around the league. There really aren't any good teams out there. The teams with better records than us are no better than us.

Everything is coming together for this team. And I didn't see it happening earlier in the season.

The Defense, JD, the OLine, Heath, Manny.

We just need to get healthy - Ben, Brown, Troy, and the guys playing through some nagging injuries. And someone needs to put a bug in Wally's ear that SuperBowl winners get paid. The kid is sooo talented and could do so much for this team to help get us over the hump. He seems sooo unhappy with his $2.7M.

And we need to clean up the sloppy - the penalties, the ST, the effort....

This team is resilient like I haven't seen in the past. We've somehow gotten really good. Our record doesn't reflect how good this team is.

Oviedo
11-19-2012, 09:05 AM
Just get into the play offs and then all bets are off. That's needs to be our focus. However, that means Ben has to be healthy to drive that play off run. Not sure he can be 100% healthy this season with the throwing shoulder injury.

Eich
11-19-2012, 09:39 AM
On some levels, I agree with this. There are no unbeatable teams. But at the same time, we seem to be having a really terrible time with keeping key personnel healthy at the same time.

Last night was a colossal opportunity to make noise in our own division. The RATS SUCK. Prime opportunity to take them down and we left it out there.

Our defense is playing lights-out. They keep getting healthier and no one is going to want us in the Playoffs. I'm just not looking forward to the 6th seed ladder to climb again. That's a damn hard road to travel.

steelfin
11-19-2012, 12:31 PM
Not a chance....The offense is not good enough to compete in the elite category of teams.

focosteeler
11-19-2012, 12:55 PM
Not a chance....The offense is not good enough to compete in the elite category of teams.

I think with Ben in last night the game would’ve been completely different. He more than likely would’ve made the throws Lefty didn’t. Just think, a couple more weeks we have a healthy Brown, Ben, Troy, Gilbert and possibly DeCastro. Our offense will have good players coming back. The defense will have Troy who hopefully will be healed and well rested and ready to tear up the playoffs.

frenchie
11-19-2012, 01:38 PM
I agree with focosteeler. Look, it's not an excuse to say that we might have won had Ben played. It's the reality. Our chances would have been much better. I just think a back up QB who hasn't played a game in a few years is not going to be nearly as effective. I would have been much more confident in that last drive if Ben had been in. It is what it is. Players are going to get hurt. Hopefully we can try to get it back together for the Browns.

Eich
11-19-2012, 01:47 PM
Not a chance....The offense is not good enough to compete in the elite category of teams.

Fortunately, it's not just the offense that competes.

Look at the Rats. They supposedly have an offense. That offense pounded the living tar out of the Raiders but couldn't score more than 2 field goals against our D last night, and look at the field position they worked with to get those points.

There isn't a team in the league without some weaknesses. Just like we did in 2005, just like the Giants did last year, we can get on a roll in the playoffs and beat anyone. Of course, the same can be said of all the decent teams this year.

The point is that Flippy is right. If a few things go our way in the health category, there is still reason for hope this season.

fezziwig
11-19-2012, 02:05 PM
No Super Bowl for us and things might get worse for the Steelers if they can't get some guys for the aging secondary and the lack luster defensive line and also aging linebacker.

Now a days there is a fine line with team quality and having healthy guys is huge and we don't seem to get that lucky. When you lose the first game of the season and you can't win against the raiders, titans and win your home games...... your not going far in the playoffs. just my take on things.

squidkid
11-19-2012, 06:27 PM
i would say there's a chance if injuries were our only concern but this team is filled with lazy, selfish and undisciplined individuals. i dont see that mentality being addressed this late in the season.

skyhawk
11-19-2012, 06:37 PM
This is not a playoff team. 3 turnovers and a punt return for a TD. Add in the fact that this D in completely INCAPABLE of forcing turnovers.

hawaiiansteel
11-19-2012, 06:39 PM
the Giants barely squeaked into the playoffs last season and ended up winning the Super Bowl so anything is possible until you're actually mathematically eliminated.

fezziwig
11-20-2012, 08:18 AM
the Giants barely squeaked into the playoffs last season and ended up winning the Super Bowl so anything is possible until you're actually mathematically eliminated.



I like your positive attitude

papillon
11-20-2012, 08:39 AM
IMO, the defense is playing too good right now to discount the Steelers. Had the Ravens been able to score points at will or at least put 20-25 points on the board and the Steelers are completely out of the game then I would be worried. Timmons was getting off blocks in the run game and making plays, Harrison had 8 tackles, 1 for loss and a sack, Woodley had a bunch of tackles, 1 for loss, Keenan Lewis had 10 tackles and a couple passes defensed, Taylor limited Smith to 1 catch for 7 yards.

The Steelers simply have to find a way into the playoffs and hope Ben's shoulder and rib heal by that time.

Pappy

BradshawsHairdresser
11-20-2012, 09:54 AM
The Steelers simply have to find a way into the playoffs and hope Ben's shoulder and rib heal by that time.

Pappy

Therein lies the mountainous challenge...without Ben, I could see them finishing anywhere from 6-10 to 9-7, and I'm doubtful that will get them a ticket to the playoffs.

Furthermore, I don't think even the Steelers F.O. thinks they have a real good chance of making a Super Bowl run, or they would be looking to sign a veteran FA QB instead of guys like Kafka and Hoyer. Unless, that is, they think Ben will be back in a week or two.

papillon
11-20-2012, 10:19 AM
Therein lies the mountainous challenge...without Ben, I could see them finishing anywhere from 6-10 to 9-7, and I'm doubtful that will get them a ticket to the playoffs.

Furthermore, I don't think even the Steelers F.O. thinks they have a real good chance of making a Super Bowl run, or they would be looking to sign a veteran FA QB instead of guys like Kafka and Hoyer. Unless, that is, they think Ben will be back in a week or two.

Other teams are going to lose games. The Ravens may lose this week without Reed versus the Chargers. The Steelers just need to take care of Cleveland this week. I know Cleveland played Dallas pretty tough, but Weeden should look about as good as Flacco versus the defense. The special teams need to just hold the fort and not give up big plays or make any major gaffes (fumbles, personal foul penalties,etc) and the offense needs to possess the ball (similar to Baltimore game), get a lead, not turn it over three times and basically not lose the game.

This has to be the recipe until Ben comes back and the Steelers will win games including the Ravens II in a couple weeks.

Colts - Bills, Lions, Titans and Texans twice (there are some losses in there with a rookie quarterback)
Patriots - Jets, Dolphins (twice), 49ers and Texans (can't see them winning out)
Denver - Chiefs (twice), Bucs, Raiders, Ravens and Browns (even with Manning not winning out)
Cincy - Raiders, Chargers, Ravens, Steelers, Cowboys, Eagles (Dalton is consistent enough to win them all)

That's everybody that is either one game ahead or 1 game behind the Steelers, teams that are two games ahead probably can't be caught except the Ravens (because we play them again and I think they'll lose a game) and teams that are two behind have a tough road ahead.

The Steelers need to hold serve this weekend and see what shakes out. This weekend's game won't be easy, but I believe the defense will be able to fluster Weeden and everyone that was calling for Batch to run the quick passing game gets a chance to see how that all works out.

One thing for sure if I were Haley, I would not allow Batch to throw the ball in obvious passing situations, 3rd and 5 or greater would be a run and if they don't make it then a punt and let the defense play. 2nd and long would be either a slant, a hitch to a TE, bubble screen, draw play or stretch play, if 3rd becomes manageable try to convert, if not, run it and punt again. A punt is going to be a good play for the Steelers. Batch needs to get through the game healthy and to get a feel for live action again. Against the Ravens then you can take a few more chances, but this week has to be about field position, staying in the game and winning or defending a lead late.

Just my opinion.

Pappy

Sugar
11-20-2012, 05:09 PM
[QUOTE=papillon;533841

Colts - Bills, Lions, Titans and Texans twice (there are some losses in there with a rookie quarterback)

That's everybody that is either one game ahead or 1 game behind the Steelers, teams that are two games ahead probably can't be caught except the Ravens (because we play them again and I think they'll lose a game) and teams that are two behind have a tough road ahead.

Pappy[/QUOTE]

Could you imagine if the Bruce Arians-led Colts made the playoffs and the Steelers didn't??

hawaiiansteel
11-20-2012, 05:38 PM
Could you imagine if the Bruce Arians-led Colts made the playoffs and the Steelers didn't??

the Colts are playing inspired football in honor of Chuck Pagano, I wish them nothing but the best of Andrew Luck.

fezziwig
11-20-2012, 06:52 PM
If I would have had to guess, I would say Arians would be a better head coach than a offensive cord. Maybe the head coaching time he puts in will distract him from totally screwing up an offense. Once again, Arian has a future great QB to make him look good. The Colts had a bad season last year because no Manning. Now they have another great Qb as it seems and they're doing well.

Sugar
11-20-2012, 07:05 PM
If I would have had to guess, I would say Arians would be a better head coach than a offensive cord. Maybe the head coaching time he puts in will distract him from totally screwing up an offense. Once again, Arian has a future great QB to make him look good. The Colts had a bad season last year because no Manning. Now they have another great Qb as it seems and they're doing well.

It appears that LeBeau and Haley are better coordinators than they were HC's. There is a different skill set needed for each job. As for the Steelers, it seems that the team is simply snakebit this year. If healthy, this team could be the best in the NFL. Unfortunately, they aren't healthy.

Chadman
11-20-2012, 07:06 PM
Has Shawn Suisham just become the Steelers most important player for the next couple of weeks?