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flippy
11-16-2012, 09:13 PM
What would you do to beat Pittsburgh?

I would overload the left side and send Ngata at Adams and have Suggs and McClain coming behind him. I'd go unbalanced all day long. Force Miller to stay in and help block. Send 5 every time and overwhelm Adams.

Pittsburgh may hit a big play in the running game or a quick pass and run to Wally/Manny. But I think they may be able to try and generate turnovers.

On the flip side, hopefully Pittsburgh spreads them out and forces a dime D and creates some room to run and hit on some big plays.

It's gonna be an interesting chess match and I really am not sure what to expect with Haley in the mix. We might go jumbo and try to run out of it with 3-4 shots at Wally downfield.

pittpete
11-17-2012, 01:45 AM
Offense
Spread the Steelers out and lots of PA with Rice
Defense
Bring as much pressure straight up the middle at Lefty

hawaiiansteel
11-17-2012, 02:36 AM
Steelers vs. Ravens: Keys to stopping Baltimore's zone running with Ray Rice

By Paper Champions on Nov 16

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The Chiefs had success against the Steelers in their zone-running concept with Jamaal Charles. Baltimore runs this same concept, as the Steelers know. How can Pittsburgh stop it?

During the Ravens season-opening win against the Steelers last year, Ray Rice had success running the outside zone (stretch) play against the Steelers' vaunted run defense. At the time, many people attributed the success to the Ravens new-found willingness to employ the dreaded chop-block against the Steelers defensive linemen - specifically, Matt Birk and guards Ben Grubbs and Marshall Yanda made life miserable for Casey Hampton.

Hampton even said as much post game. With the success that the Chiefs had running the ball on Monday night, should Steeler fans be worried about watching Ray Rice run all over the Steelers' D? To answer that question, it's important to go back and look at what the Chiefs did last week successfully.

Last week, the Kansas City was at times able to implement what the stretch play is designed to do: stretch a defense parallel to the line of scrimmage. Invariably, a horizontal seam will present itself to a back. If that back is talented enough, he can plant his outside foot and hit it. The stretch first became popular in the NFL in the mid 1980's just for those reasons. First, allow your most talented runner to trust their innate ability. Second, put the offensive lineman in a position to, be successful. Don't ask them to knock a defensive lineman 5 yards off the ball. Instead, influence them to move horizontally and see if a back can make everyone look good. To some football purists (think Joey Porter pre Indy Colts playoff game a few years back), this is the antithesis of football. It is soft. But, there is o denying its effectiveness.

So, the Chiefs deserve some credit for implementing and executing a good scheme against the Steelers, but as is often the case, LeBeau got the last laugh. LeBeau saw the difficulties the defense was having and did what all great coaches do: he put his players in a position to be successful.

The adjustment was quite simple. He played Woodley and Harrison wider on the TE. On the snap, they would get penetration immediately and turn their shoulders perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. This forced Charles to make his cut much sooner; essentially eliminating the "stretch" from the play. This allowed the linebackers to play much faster and the gains became much smaller. KC tried to adjust to this by running more of a lead play with their fullback. But, the insertion of the Fullback took out their alignment advantage. Moreover, their fullback could not handle our OLB'ers. Advantage: Steelers.

Once again, credit goes to the Chiefs for implementing a good plan. More credit should go to the Steelers for not panicking and giving up a big play, but also for having an adjustment ready that the Chiefs could not answer. What does all of that portend for this week?

The Ravens have, obviously, some advantages over Kansas City. Ray Rice is a better running back than Jamaal Charles and Joe Flacco is a much better quarterback than Matt Cassel. But, Cassel is able to do one thing that Flacco does not excel at: running the naked boot off of the stretch actions.

Flacco can run play action toward the run, but he is not that adept at faking the run, reversing out with depth, and snapping his head around to find an open receiver. Not to say that he cannot do this, or he has never done it. Just that it is not as big as a threat as it would be with the smaller and quicker Cassel.

This helps the Steelers because it allows them to be much more aggressive with either outside linebacker pursuing the play from behind. Harrison has caused many a fumble in his day doing exactly this.

During the game, watch the outside linebacker away from the run. See if he is pursuing hard down the line to take away the cut back.

Also, the aforementioned Ben Grubbs now plays with the New Orleans Saints. The Ravens also have a rookie starting at right tackle. Therefore, I think it is fair to point out that KC might have a better run-blocking offensive line than the Ravens.

We'll see.

Finally, LeBeau has had the entire offseason to prepare for this game. The situation is reversed from last year. The Ravens made an adjustment that obviously caught the Steelers off-guard. They were much better against the run in the second game last year. What will LeBeau have up his sleeve for this game? It will be fascinating to watch and find out.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/11/16/3653378/steelers-ravens-week-11-nfl-predictions-analysis-preview-fantasy-football

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 10:03 AM
Who's are third string backup Qb now that Lefty is 1 and Batch is 2 ? It wouldn't surprise me at all that these two get knocked out of the game. The annoucer jinxed Ben last week with one of his comments. I forget what he said but I turned to my wife and told her, Bens going to get a major injury now because this dude just put the evil eye on him with his talk.

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 10:05 AM
Hawaiin, your sig of the Balty fan is priceless. They should have that up in the HOF in the Steelers section or if there was a Steeler section in the hall.

flippy
11-17-2012, 10:16 AM
Who's are third string backup Qb now that Lefty is 1 and Batch is 2 ? It wouldn't surprise me at all that these two get knocked out of the game. The annoucer jinxed Ben last week with one of his comments. I forget what he said but I turned to my wife and told her, Bens going to get a major injury now because this dude just put the evil eye on him with his talk.

Maybe you saying something to your wife is what jinxed him. :p

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 10:37 AM
Maybe you saying something to your wife is what jinxed him. :p You might have something there.

BradshawsHairdresser
11-17-2012, 11:00 AM
Who's are third string backup Qb now that Lefty is 1 and Batch is 2 ? It wouldn't surprise me at all that these two get knocked out of the game. The annoucer jinxed Ben last week with one of his comments. I forget what he said but I turned to my wife and told her, Bens going to get a major injury now because this dude just put the evil eye on him with his talk.

Baltimore game plan:
1) Knock Leftwich out of the game
2) Knock Batch out of the game
3) Game over

I pray it doesn't turn out like that, but I really expect the Rats to approach it that way.

flippy
11-17-2012, 11:05 AM
Baltimore game plan:
1) Knock Leftwich out of the game
2) Knock Batch out of the game
3) Game over

I pray it doesn't turn out like that, but I really expect the Rats to approach it that way.

With Hines being an analyst for NBC, he should bring up the bounty the Ravens had versus him. That way if anything fishy happens, Goodell would be forced by public perception to come down on the Rats.

Hines should mention that bounty anytime the Steelers play the Ravens and anytime he's at a Saints game.

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 11:12 AM
Baltimore game plan:
1) Knock Leftwich out of the game
2) Knock Batch out of the game
3) Game over

I pray it doesn't turn out like that, but I really expect the Rats to approach it that way.


exactly how i see it.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
11-17-2012, 03:03 PM
Who's are third string backup Qb now that Lefty is 1 and Batch is 2 ?

Heath Miller

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 03:10 PM
[QUOTE=steeler_fan_in_t.o.;533187]Heath Miller[/QUO


thank you

steelz09
11-17-2012, 03:29 PM
Spread us out and run Ray Rice.

That would required our d-line to win it's one-on-one matchup which they won't do. Game over. Raven's win.

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 03:38 PM
The Ravens coach is a piece of work but, a hungry piece of work that will out coach Tomlin and Lebeau. Get ready for a dismal Monday morning Steeler fans. I'm ready for a high draft pick ext season.

RuthlessBurgher
11-17-2012, 04:09 PM
I would overload the left side and send Ngata at Adams and have Suggs and McClain coming behind him. I'd go unbalanced all day long. Force Miller to stay in and help block. Send 5 every time and overwhelm Adams.

I think if this were the case, Haley would be smart enough to simply run the ball to the left.

Everyone is also talking about how immobile Leftwich is (which is certainly true), but the fact remains that he has been sacked only 89 times in his career (a sack for every 18.6 dropbacks), compared to Ben who has been sacked 332 times in his career (a sack for every 11.9 dropbacks).

BradshawsHairdresser
11-17-2012, 04:30 PM
I think if this were the case, Haley would be smart enough to simply run the ball to the left.

Everyone is also talking about how immobile Leftwich is (which is certainly true), but the fact remains that he has been sacked only 89 times in his career (a sack for every 18.6 dropbacks), compared to Ben who has been sacked 332 times in his career (a sack for every 11.9 dropbacks).
Yes, but Leftwich had a great OL in Jacksonville for much of his career, and Ben has had a sucky OL for much of his career. Plus, Ben had BA, who loved to keep calling the 7-step drops, no matter how much Ben was getting pummeled.

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 05:26 PM
Hopefully Haley realizes tweaking must happen. You know, just like Arians used to do.........

hawaiiansteel
11-17-2012, 05:58 PM
Hawaiin, your sig of the Balty fan is priceless. They should have that up in the HOF in the Steelers section or if there was a Steeler section in the hall.

thanks fezzi, the Ratbird fans make it way too easy...

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