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papillon
11-13-2012, 04:10 PM
Well, the Steelers lose Ben for some undetermined time and potentially Ryan Clark. Polamalu hasn't played in 4 or 5 weeks and Harrison is still working back into shape. Currently, as the playoff picture sits the Steelers are a wildcard team and are two games ahead of the 7th, 8th and 9th place teams and 2.5 games ahead of the 10th pace team.

Each of the teams that are out of the playoffs have 7 games to play except the 10th who has 6 games to play. If the Steelers can find 4 wins and get to 10-6 the other teams will have to go 6-1 except for the 10th place team who would have to go 6-0 to get to 10 wins. I have no idea how the tie-breakers would shake out, but right now the Steelers are sitting in a good position even with Ben injured. Hopefully, Ben's shoulder isn't horrible and that he will be able to go should the Steelers make the playoffs.

The teams on the outside looking in at the playoffs in order are Chargers (Broncos, Ravens, Steelers), Dolphins (Pats twice, 49ers), Bengals (Steelers, Ravens) and Titans (Texans, Colts and Packers). Each team has two potential losses in their final 6 or 7 games and the Bengals have the easiest schedule remaining IMO.

Now, where are the 4 wins coming from under the condition that Lefty has to play the final 7 games?

Ravens
@Browns
@Ravens
Chargers
@Cowboys
Bengals
Browns

Best bets for three of the wins would be Browns (2) and Bengals, the fourth win might have to be the Chargers or Cowboys, hopefully, both are cooked by the time the Steelers play them.

This is the worst case scenario in which Ben doesn't play another regular season game this year.
Pappy

flippy
11-13-2012, 04:18 PM
If we're the #6 seed, it's very possible we'd have to go play in Denver without Ryan Clark...again.

Oviedo
11-13-2012, 04:21 PM
Four wins without Ben will be a challenge. As we saw last night we are just too inconsistent and we don't have the dominant defense anymore we had 4-5 years ago that could carry the team. Before Ben got hurt I really though we could go 6-1 the rest of the way and beat the Raven twice. Now I think 3-3 may be a reach.

Bottom line is if Ben is out for the season we are likely looking at another first round play-off departure if we even make the play-offs.

I guess Ben missing games for the birth of his son is no longer an issue!

papillon
11-13-2012, 04:27 PM
Just remember the teams behind us have flaws even with their best players on the field. I think the Steelers can get the O-line, defense and special teams (they played well last night) to carry them to 4 wins. I also don't believe for a second that Ben is done for the rest of the regular season until someone tells me that's the case. I think Lefty, the defense, running game and special teams can win 4 games, I'm just not sure which 4.

Pappy

Oviedo
11-13-2012, 04:43 PM
Just remember the teams behind us have flaws even with their best players on the field. I think the Steelers can get the O-line, defense and special teams (they played well last night) to carry them to 4 wins. I also don't believe for a second that Ben is done for the rest of the regular season until someone tells me that's the case. I think Lefty, the defense, running game and special teams can win 4 games, I'm just not sure which 4.

Pappy


I hope you are right but I saw nothing last night in that terrible performance that would make me believe that could happen.

RKSteel
11-13-2012, 04:54 PM
Lefty came in cold, and the Chiefs defense was playing well. Steelers were probably looking past this game and the Chiefs were playing not to be embarrassed on national tv.

Gotta have faith that the Oline and Def step it up this week and going forward until Ben returns.

papillon
11-13-2012, 05:08 PM
I hope you are right but I saw nothing last night in that terrible performance that would make me believe that could happen.

Without any reps in practice, not having played for any length of time in a couple of years and a defense that was frustrating the Steelers all night, I though Lefty did okay. This week with a week of work under his belt and a game plan designed for him he'll be better. Dixon stepped in a couple years ago and almost pulled one out against the Ravens. Lefty is a better quarterback than Dixon. The Steelers can win games with Lefty at quarterback; the season isn't over, have faith.

Pappy

ikestops85
11-13-2012, 06:25 PM
I remember a few years ago there were some who were calling for Lefty to start over Ben. Now we have people who think Lefty doesn't have what it takes to win. While Lefty isn't in Ben's league he can still play some football and put a "W" up on the scoreboard.

Sugar
11-13-2012, 06:27 PM
Lefty came in cold, and the Chiefs defense was playing well. Steelers were probably looking past this game and the Chiefs were playing not to be embarrassed on national tv.

Gotta have faith that the Oline and Def step it up this week and going forward until Ben returns.

The weather conditions were also such that it limited a lot of what the team could do effectively on O.

winwithd
11-13-2012, 07:26 PM
And dont forget, last night we were without our MVP from last year, Antonio Brown. I think Ben would not have had to hold the ball as long as he was if AB were out there running routes as well. Plus Rainey seemed to be playing a VERY limited role last night. We had our 4th string kick returner out there last night.

And if Ben is healthy I believe we can beat Denver even without Clark. The Oline is playing better than they did at the start of the year and we could even have DeCastro in the mix too my then. And Wallace came into that first game with very little practice (no camp). And Will Allen has really come on. If Troy can just get healthy til then then all the better.

hawaiiansteel
11-13-2012, 09:09 PM
Kovacevic: Life without Ben? Cold reality

By Dejan Kovacevic
Published: Tuesday, November 13, 2012

A relentless rain whipped horizontally into the Heinz Field wind tunnel to greet the Steelers’ faithful head-on Monday night, making it so cold, so uncomfortable that the concourses often had more occupants than the seats, that mothers wrapped children in multiple parkas, that men … actually kept their beer bellies under wraps.

That cold.

And yet, none of it approached the chill sent through the 57,644 on hand by the third play of the third quarter of this comparatively hollow 16-13 overtime win over the completely horrible Kansas City Chiefs.

That’s when Ben Roethlisberger went down.

And out.

The Steelers’ quarterback, their franchise, their most valuable player by such a wide margin that there isn’t a viable No. 2, was slammed into the grass by Kansas City linebacker Justin Houston — clean sack — then rose slowly and clutched his right shoulder, cringing with each step to the sideline.

First thought: No way. Not him. Not now, with things just getting good.

“When Ben first went down, I didn’t really think too much of it,” left tackle Max Starks recalled later in a mostly reserved locker room. “Usually, if he’s hurt bad, he’ll stay down. But he asked to be picked up right away.”

Second thought …

“The way he was moving when he went off, yeah, you could see something was wrong.”

Third thought: Uh-oh.

There was word early Tuesday morning that Roethlisberger’s shoulder was sprained rather than separated, which would be better, but nothing was firm. In the immediate aftermath, Mike Tomlin would say only that the shoulder was “being evaluated” and that Roethlisberger had been taken to a hospital for an MRI. No prognosis was given, nor a timetable.

But neither did it sound like anyone was solidly counting on having Roethlisberger for either of the two ridiculously essential games against the despised Ravens over the next three weeks.

As Mike Wallace put it, “When Ben doesn’t come back in the game, you know it’s pretty serious.”

If so, that means one of Byron Leftwich or Charlie Batch will have to take this team through its toughest stretch.

Maybe longer.

Oh, yeah.

In this game, Leftwich looked every bit like a man who’d stepped on the field in anger exactly once since 2009, completing 7 of 14 passes for 73 yards and misfiring terribly on most of the half.

“I haven’t done it in a while,” he said, “but I’m sure if I have to do it, it’ll be like riding a bike.”

We’ll see.

Batch, in turn, hasn’t even suited up for any games this season, and he functions in practice only as the opponents’ quarterback. But Tomlin declined to name a possible starter if Roethlisberger is out, and it can’t be ruled out that he’d go with the 37-year-old patriarch, if only because Batch started last Christmas Eve against the Rams and went 15 of 22 for 208 yards.

But let’s not kid anyone: There’s no QB controversy here. Only QB concerns.

And more than a few concerns beyond that, as well. The injury to Roethlisberger will overshadow all else Monday, but it probably shouldn’t.

Not when the Chiefs’ Jamaal Charles bulldozed relentlessly through the right side of the Steelers’ line for most of his 100 yards, the same way the Bengals did a month ago before Dick LeBeau had to redraw schemes.

Not when the Steelers’ rushing game didn’t come close to matching that, Jonathan Dwyer struggling for 56 yards on 19 carries and Isaac Redman held to 21 after a brief benching for a careless fumble.

Not when the passing game — even with Roethlisberger — glaringly exposed how much Antonio Brown is missed. Mike Wallace used all his limbs for a circus catch on the lone touchdown, but he’d have only two other receptions. In general, the receivers put precious little daylight between themselves and a sticky Kansas City secondary.

Ben or no Ben, if the Steelers perform against Baltimore the way they did Monday, they’ll get bombed by 30 or 40.

As it is, they’re 6-3, the winning streak grew to a frail four, and the standings still look promising.

I asked James Harrison if this team, which has replaced so many parts effectively at so many times, thinks that way about the quarterback position.

“I tend to think so. I hope so,” he replied. “We’ll see if we have to go without Ben. If that’s the case, we’ll move ahead.”

Good idea.

By the time Lawrence Timmons’ elegant interception set up Shaun Suisham’s winning kick, less than half the crowd remained, either too soaked or too stunned to stick around.

A bit fittingly on this night, right as Timmons celebrated, the press box announcer informed us all that Ryan Clark, the Steelers’ best defensive player, was being checked for a possible second concussion in the past month. If that’s the case — and he insisted again that he’s “fine” — his chance of facing the Ravens should be about the same as Roethlisberger’s.

That’s some cold reality.

http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/2944090-85/roethlisberger-steelers-ben-yards-cold-game-monday-batch-quarterback-chiefs#ixzz2C9PaoSRJ

tiproast
11-13-2012, 09:44 PM
I hope you are right but I saw nothing last night in that terrible performance that would make me believe that could happen.

a W is a W
Don't borrow trouble you
Never know what the fu-
ture will bring

BradshawsHairdresser
11-14-2012, 10:02 AM
a W is a W


That W was about as barely a W as it gets...

Slapstick
11-14-2012, 10:25 AM
That W was about as barely a W as it gets...

Thank goodness that doesn't matter...

papillon
11-14-2012, 03:58 PM
Well, it seems that the rib injury is going to keep Ben out until it heals or he could die from having the rib puncture his aorta. My worst case scenario is probably reality. The Steelers need to find 4 wins with Lefty and/or Batch playing quarterback and hopefully, 6 weeks will heal the rib and Ben will be able to play in the playoffs, a most unfortunate turn of events.

Pappy

Oviedo
11-14-2012, 04:10 PM
Well, it seems that the rib injury is going to keep Ben out until it heals or he could die from having the rib puncture his aorta. My worst case scenario is probably reality. The Steelers need to find 4 wins with Lefty and/or Batch playing quarterback and hopefully, 6 weeks will heal the rib and Ben will be able to play in the playoffs, a most unfortunate turn of events.

Pappy

The "Dark Ages" have officially descended upon the Steeler Nation:(

hawaiiansteel
11-14-2012, 07:11 PM
Roethlisberger injury couldn't come at worse time

11/13/2012
F. Dale Lolley

PITTSBURGH – The one thing that couldn’t happen to the Steelers happened Monday night.

Actually, the two things that couldn’t happen to Pittsburgh.

The first was getting caught flat-footed for a game against the lowly Kansas City Chiefs, showing again the maddening ability to play up or down to their opponent’s level.

The second was losing quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to injury. Roethlisberger suffered an injury to his right shoulder in the third quarter, putting the Steelers’ enture season in jeopardy.

He was taken to a Pittsburgh hospital to evaluate what was called a “non-traditional” injury. To this point, Roethlisberger had received little mention nationally when talk turned to the league MVP.

But there is no doubt that he has been the Steelers’ MVP to this point.

Prior to Monday night, Roethlisberger wasn’t just a big part of the Steelers’ offense, he was practically their entire offense, particularly in the first four games when Pittsburgh’s running game was dormant.

That running game has improved in recent weeks, but Roethlisberger was still the player who made Pittsburgh’s offense go.

And without him, the Steelers are a decidedly average team at best.

That’s not a knock on backup quarterbacks Byron Leftwich or Charlie Batch, but Roethlisberger is playing for a $100-million contract for a reason.

There is no good time to lose your starting quarterback, but Roethlisberger’s injury couldn’t come at a worse time for the Steelers.

The result of what can only be considered one of the most questionable NFL schedules in recent memory, the Steelers and Ravens, the two heavyweights in the AFC North, play twice in the next three weeks.

If the Steelers don’t have Roethlisberger for one of those games, it’s a huge loss for Pittsburgh. If he is missing for both of those matchups, well, the Ravens can pretty much start printing their AFC North championship T-shirts right now.

Add to that the fact the Steelers played Monday night’s game without wide receiver Antonio Brown, their MVP last season, and you have a team with some major issues.

Against the Chiefs, we saw why the Steelers chose to sign Brown a new contract in training camp. Without him on the field, Roethlisberger, while good, had difficulties moving the football. The Chiefs played a lot of man-press coverage with help over the top from the safeties on Mike Wallace, Brown with his short-space speed, beats that man coverage.

His replacement, Emmanuel Sanders, struggled to get open.

The rainy, windy night didn’t help, but there was more than one time that Roethlisberger and Leftwich dropped back to pass, had plenty of time, and couldn’t find anyone open.

Against the lowly Chiefs, who fell to a well-deserved 1-8, the Steelers found a way to win despite those issues.

The Ravens are having injury issues of their own, having lost linebacker Ray Lewis and cornerback Lardarius Webb. But the Ravens have also had time to deal with those injuries. The Steelers are going to be adjusting on the fly to the loss of two of their best offensive weapons.

And with one less day to prepare, that could be a deciding factor in which team wins the AFC North.

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/lolley11/11-13-steelers-column

NorthCoast
11-14-2012, 10:13 PM
Without any reps in practice, not having played for any length of time in a couple of years and a defense that was frustrating the Steelers all night, I though Lefty did okay. This week with a week of work under his belt and a game plan designed for him he'll be better. Dixon stepped in a couple years ago and almost pulled one out against the Ravens. Lefty is a better quarterback than Dixon. The Steelers can win games with Lefty at quarterback; the season isn't over, have faith.

Pappy


The thing is I don't think the Steelers will win with a QB that does "just OK". At least not against B-more and the Chargers, and really the Browns defense is not all that bad (20th in scoring defense). The analysts talked about QBs that bring more to the game than Xs and Os and Ben was in the top 5 of that category. Leftwich will play the Xs and Os but to win consistently and win in the playoffs, a QB needs to bring that extra dimension, otherwise you would see a Cassell or Cam in the playoffs as much as a Brady, Rodgers or Roethlisberger.

Shawn
11-15-2012, 01:15 AM
I hope you are right but I saw nothing last night in that terrible performance that would make me believe that could happen.

i think Leftys stats were on par with Bens. He played reasonably well.

hawaiiansteel
11-15-2012, 03:14 PM
i think Leftys stats were on par with Bens. He played reasonably well.

yeah, I'm sure we'll win a lot of games if Lefty can lead us to a FG every half that he plays...

papillon
11-15-2012, 11:50 PM
The thing is I don't think the Steelers will win with a QB that does "just OK". At least not against B-more and the Chargers, and really the Browns defense is not all that bad (20th in scoring defense). The analysts talked about QBs that bring more to the game than Xs and Os and Ben was in the top 5 of that category. Leftwich will play the Xs and Os but to win consistently and win in the playoffs, a QB needs to bring that extra dimension, otherwise you would see a Cassell or Cam in the playoffs as much as a Brady, Rodgers or Roethlisberger.

I'm not saying the Steelers can win in the playoffs without Ben, but I certainly believe that the Steelers can get to the playoffs without Ben. As I mentioned all the teams behind the Steelers have to go 6-1 or 6-0 if the Steelers go 4-3 and the Dolphins were losing tonight which means they'll need to be 6-0 the rest of the way (should they hang on to their loss) just to get to 10 wins. It's not a guarantee, but I think the Steelers are good enoungh to win 4 out 7 over the next 7 weeks with or without Ben.

The playoffs, well, that's an entirely different animal.

Pappy