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pfelix73
11-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Injuries

Ben- questionable for Sunday. Shoulder sprain.. SC Sprain. That's all he knows for now.

(I would doubt he plays- like everyone else is saying)

Brown- Questionable

Troy- Doubtful

Clark- re-evaluated later- but seems fine


On to Ravens Week.... update as I hear more..

Any Drs. in the house? what's a SC sprain?

pfelix73
11-13-2012, 01:25 PM
I found this on the internet- Brett Favre had the same injury....

19. Sprained sternoclavicular (SC) joint, right shoulder

Year: 2010
Favre file: Finally forced to miss start versus New York Giants.
Feels like: Very, very painful. Swelling and tenderness in the front of the chest. The SC joint attaches the collarbone to the breastbone -- in essence, the arm to the body -- which means most upper-body motions are affected. Worst case scenario: An unstable collarbone can compress major blood vessels, including the jugular vein and aorta.
Standard treatment: Requires careful evaluation by a specialist. Less severe cases require ice, anti-inflammatories, wearing a sling for a few weeks and rehab with range-of-motion exercises. More severe cases require surgery to rebuild torn ligaments.
Average recovery time: Three weeks to more than three months.
Weekend warrior impact: Your status as a jeans-wearin', backyard football all-time quarterback may be in doubt. "It's typically an extremely difficult injury from which to recover fully," Millett says. "Especially for an overhead-throwing athlete."

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-13-2012, 01:34 PM
I found this on the internet- Brett Favre had the same injury....

19. Sprained sternoclavicular (SC) joint, right shoulder

Year: 2010
Favre file: Finally forced to miss start versus New York Giants.
Feels like: Very, very painful. Swelling and tenderness in the front of the chest. The SC joint attaches the collarbone to the breastbone -- in essence, the arm to the body -- which means most upper-body motions are affected. Worst case scenario: An unstable collarbone can compress major blood vessels, including the jugular vein and aorta.
Standard treatment: Requires careful evaluation by a specialist. Less severe cases require ice, anti-inflammatories, wearing a sling for a few weeks and rehab with range-of-motion exercises. More severe cases require surgery to rebuild torn ligaments.
Average recovery time: Three weeks to more than three months.
Weekend warrior impact: Your status as a jeans-wearin', backyard football all-time quarterback may be in doubt. "It's typically an extremely difficult injury from which to recover fully," Millett says. "Especially for an overhead-throwing athlete."

That internet thing doesn't totally make sense - the sternum is in the middle of the chest, so it really doesn't have much to do with the shoulder. Maybe Tomlin got it wrong? (the clavicular part is the collar bone).

SteelBucks
11-13-2012, 01:35 PM
Not good. I'm glad it's not a torn rotator cuff but a separation isn't all that great either. I'm totally guessing but I'm assuming he misses significant time and hoping he returns by the playoffs (if they make it of course). I'm planning for the worst but hoping for the best.

RuthlessBurgher
11-13-2012, 01:38 PM
That internet thing doesn't totally make sense - the sternum is in the middle of the chest, so it really doesn't have much to do with the shoulder. Maybe Tomlin got it wrong? (the clavicular part is the collar bone).

It's correct.

http://www.mdguidelines.com/images/Illustrations/dis_ster.jpg

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-13-2012, 01:47 PM
It's correct.

http://www.mdguidelines.com/images/Illustrations/dis_ster.jpg
Nice pic!

So the internet thing isn't quite right - it's at the middle of the chest, an "SC" problem doesn't involve the shoulder.

JAR
11-13-2012, 02:27 PM
same injury Farve had in 2010

Starlifter
11-13-2012, 02:30 PM
Nice pic!

So the internet thing isn't quite right - it's at the middle of the chest, an "SC" problem doesn't involve the shoulder.

Hip bone connected to the leg bone etc (sing it with me!)

Point is, it's all connected. I'll be shocked if Ben plays.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-13-2012, 02:44 PM
Hip bone connected to the leg bone etc (sing it with me!)

Point is, it's all connected. I'll be shocked if Ben plays.

Point taken!

It just seems odd that Tomlin (who would obviously just be repeating what the docs told him) would say "SC joint" when everyone else is writing about a shoulder sprain.

Wonder if he meant to say "AC joint"?
http://emedtravel.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/grade_ii_ac_joint_spr_pi.jpg?w=500

Either way, we can only hope he plays ...

D Rock
11-13-2012, 03:13 PM
SC would explain why it was unusual, as it wasn't an AC injury.

SC dislocations tend to require a lot of force...car accidents and things of the sort...but certainly huge men falling on top of each other also brings a lot of force.

as far as it being part of the shoulder or not, think of it like this...

when Ben goes through his throwing motion, the joints are going to move in succession until they reach a stable point. The SC joint, being at the middle of the body, is the end of that process, which may lead to a lot more instability.

If you hold a wet noodle in the middle and shake it, half of the noodle wobbles. If you hold it at the end and shake it, the whole thing wobbles. Ben throwing a football at this point would be like the whole noodle wobbling, because the anchor point is unstable.

SidSmythe
11-13-2012, 03:24 PM
it all depends on the grade of the sprain. This is good news b/c this is an injury that won't be traumatized by THROWING.
IN other words, once Ben gets past the pain threshold to play, he will be able to throw but he will have to avoid being hit.

pfelix73
11-13-2012, 04:43 PM
I take it as good news. Knowing that Tomlin said he's listed as questionable for this weeks game, AND knowing Ben's threshhold for pain, Iwouldn't be surprised if he tries to play on Sunday. Someone at the PC asked him if he'd start him on no practice time this week, and Tomlin said he did it before......

ter1230_4
11-13-2012, 07:26 PM
I would be extremely surprised if Roethlisberger plays this weekend. After all it was the same injury that broke Brett Favre's iron man streak, and as tough as BB is he's no tougher than Favre. I would be very surprised if BB does not miss two or three games. One comment I've read about this particular injury that stands out to me is that if he gets hit in the same place the injury will recur. Favre missed only one game after the initial injury, but got hit when he returned and missed the last two games of his career. As much as I hate to say it, I think BB misses a minimum of three games if for no other reason than I would hate to see him try and play at Baltimore in his first game back. The Steelers need to give BB whatever time he needs to be able to come back with a reasonable chance of avoiding re-injury, put up with his inevitable crappy performance in his first game back, and then see if they can get on a run through the wild card spot. That's what happened in 2005, and that seems to have become the way to go lately. And the Steelers are absolutely capable of making that run as long as they have a healthy Ben. We saw last year what happens when they have a crippled BB. And while he's out it's time for every other Steeler to man up because they no longer have the luxury of waiting for #7 to bail them out.

hawaiiansteel
11-14-2012, 02:23 AM
Tomlin: “It’s Ravens’ week for us”

Posted by Teresa Varley on November 13, 2012

There was no rest for the weary as the Steelers’ coaches were back at it on Tuesday morning, preparing for Sunday night’s game against the Baltimore Ravens at Heinz Field.

The Ravens are 7-2, one game up on the 6-3 Steelers in the AFC North. But both teams could have 0-15 records and you would still get the same kind of battle that is expected this week.

“It’s Ravens’ week for us,” said Coach Mike Tomlin. “This is going to be an awesome game. It always is. They are a talented bunch as they are perennially. They are a very good football team.”

The Ravens might be without their emotional leader on defense in Ray Lewis, who is on the injured reserve-designated for return list, but they certainly aren’t hurting for talent there.

“They still have some guys that have historically been issues for us,” said Tomlin. “Haloti Ngata is a guy that has created issues for us in the past and anyone else that suits up against him. He is tough to deal with. Terrell Suggs is back in action. He has had big games against us in the past. Ed Reed kills everyone.”

Reed continues to be a thorn in the side of opposing offenses with three interceptions so far this season, while cornerback Cary Williams leads the team with four.

“Paul Kruger, Dannell Ellerbe and Cary Williams are all playing really good football for them. These are guys that have grown in their program and have been playing for them for a number of years,” said Tomlin. “They are familiar names to us but might not be familiar to others. When I watch them on tape I see the emergence of this group and their ability to deliver crucial plays for them. They step up when needed.”

Another player who has stepped up this year is quarterback Joe Flacco, the AFC’s seventh leading passer. Flacco has completed 186 passes for 2,331 yards and 13 touchdowns, while spreading the ball around to prime targets Anquan Boldin, Dennis Pitta, and Torrey Smith, as well as Ray Rice who is a threat in the air but primarily on the ground.

“They are continuing to grow on offense and mature with their quarterback,” said Tomlin. “The offense runs through Joe Flacco. They do a lot of no-huddle. They have a lot of autonomy for him, and rightfully so. He’s a great decision maker. He spreads the ball around to a variety of guys. He does a nice job of highlighting the talents of people.”

It all boils down to a classic battle to stay in the race in the AFC North, and the bottom line this week is this game is not going to be one for the faint of heart.

“More than anything, we understand what this matchup is all about,” said Tomlin. “It’s about physicality and playing good, hard-nosed football. We expect them to do that, and we better be prepared to do it.”

http://blog.steelers.com/

Shawn
11-14-2012, 09:51 AM
Sid got this right. To say it will take 3-6 weeks without knowing the degree of the injury is silly speculation. A mild SC injury can heal in just a few days. A tear at the SC joint can need surgery and healing can be 3 months+. So, we are looking at 3 days to 3 months depending on the severity of the injury. More often than not in well trained athletes, it's closer to the front end of that. If you want wild speculations without an MRI, it's likely he will miss a couple games, but might be able to play this week.

pfelix73
11-14-2012, 10:30 AM
102.5 DVE out of Pittsburgh is reporting Leftwich WILL start Sunday night......