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Jooser
11-13-2012, 09:19 AM
Report: Roethlisberger has “unusual” separated shoulder Posted by Mike Florio on November 13, 2012, 3:19 AM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/350x-619-e1352794681445.jpg?w=230 AP
A quarterback with an unusual reputation for embellishing injuries now has an unusual injury.


Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports that Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1181/ben-roethlisberger) suffered a separated shoulder (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--sources--steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-suffered-separated-shoulder-against-the-chiefs12462798.html) during Monday night’s game against the Chiefs. Per Cole, one source described the injury as “unusual.”


Roethlisberger was taken to a local hospital for an MRI during the game. It’s unknown whether he’ll miss Sunday night’s visit from the Ravens.

It’ll be the first of two games against Baltimore in a 14-day period.

Roethlisberger is having one of the best seasons of his career, with teammates openly politicking for MVP consideration (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/11/steelers-support-roethlisberger-for-mvp/). The Steelers could find out quickly how valuable he is; if the offense sputters against the Ravens like it did against the Chiefs in an overtime win that was secured by the Pittsburgh defense, the Steelers will once again be jockeying for wild-card position come late December.


Oh boy.

Jooser
11-13-2012, 09:24 AM
Ben Roethlisberger sprains shoulder in win over Chiefs

By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The League editor
Published: Nov. 12, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.
Updated: Nov. 13, 2012 at 05:36 a.m.







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Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/profile) went to the locker room, then out of Heinz Field, with a right shoulder injury during the third quarter of a 16-13 overtime victory (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012111200/2012/REG10/chiefs@steelers) over the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC). Roethlisberger didn't return to the game, and a Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) source told NFL.com and NFL Network's Albert Breer that the initial diagnosis on the quarterback is a sprained right shoulder.


The Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) are awaiting results on Roethlisberger's MRI and should know more about his injury Tuesday.


Roethlisberger landed on his throwing shoulder after being sacked by Chiefs (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC) pass rushers Justin Houston (http://www.nfl.com/player/justinhouston/2495493/profile) and Tamba Hali (http://www.nfl.com/player/tambahali/2506883/profile) and quickly was evaluated by the Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT)' staff. Roethlisberger originally was listed as questionable to return, but Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette later reported the quarterback went to a local hospital (https://twitter.com/EdBouchette/status/268206836203786241) to undergo an MRI.




Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) coach Mike Tomlin (http://www.nfl.com/player/miketomlin/2527518/profile) confirmed after the game that Roethlisberger left the stadium, but the coach didn't know to where and how severe the injury was. The team source told Breer after midnight ET that Roethlisberger was home.


Byron Leftwich (http://www.nfl.com/player/byronleftwich/2505673/profile) entered the game for Roethlisberger, who later was shown by ESPN cameras without his shoulder pads after going for further tests. Leftwich, who hadn't played in an NFL game since the Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT)' 2010 regular-season finale, was 7-of-14 passing for 73 yards with no touchdowns or interceptions.


Roethlisberger made news in August by revealing he had a small tear in his rotator cuff (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82afa1ce/article/ben-roethlisberger-reveals-torn-rotator-cuff). It's uncertain if this injury is connected. He looked healthy throughout the season until now.

Jooser
11-13-2012, 09:30 AM
Also, reading some internet rumors that his wife went into labor last night and that's why he left with her...she was due "within the next 2 weeks".

flippy
11-13-2012, 09:35 AM
Also, reading some internet rumors that his wife went into labor last night and that's why he left with her...she was due "within the next 2 weeks".

There was also a rumor Casey Hampton went into labor last night too.

fezziwig
11-13-2012, 09:47 AM
Also rumored that Hampton is the illegitimate son of the Cheifs head coach. After all, the coaches name is Romeo.

phillyesq
11-13-2012, 10:15 AM
Also, reading some internet rumors that his wife went into labor last night and that's why he left with her...she was due "within the next 2 weeks".

Well, while you're at the hospital, why not the 2 for 1 special...

flippy
11-13-2012, 10:24 AM
Well, while you're at the hospital, why not the 2 for 1 special...

Pop in the shoulder. Pop out the baby.

Jooser
11-13-2012, 10:36 AM
And POP goes the weasel. I didn't think the fall looked too bad last night. Ben didn't appear to be hurting too bad when they showed him coming out of the locker room and into the cart, so I suppose that's good news. Not too much drama.....:rolleyes:

Shoe
11-13-2012, 10:42 AM
There was also a rumor Casey Hampton went into labor last night too.

What a warrior, to play with a baby in his tummy!

That being said, he is a whore... to play with a baby in his tummy every year, he's a baby machine.

pfelix73
11-13-2012, 10:47 AM
I didn't think the fall looked all that bad either. Not to mention he fell on a wet, muddy grass field.. More give and take than that crap thats down in Baltimore and elsewhere. We'll see. I think its just a sprain and he'll be listed as questionable for B-more.

SDSteel1
11-13-2012, 12:19 PM
So it's an unusual, separated and sprained shoulder, that might have affected his phantom rotator cuff injury, that no one knows too much about?

What the hell does that mean??

Or is it just Ben being Ben?

NW Steeler
11-13-2012, 12:24 PM
ESPN is telling the masses that it is a significant injury that will "probably take a while" to heal.

SDSteel1
11-13-2012, 12:41 PM
ESPN is telling the masses that it is a significant injury that will "probably take a while" to heal.

Yet no one is sure what exactly it is, other that unusual, separated/sprained......

How about someone reports when they get some solid info.

steelz09
11-13-2012, 12:47 PM
Yet no one is sure what exactly it is, other that unusual, separated/sprained......

How about someone reports when they get some solid info.

I've been listening to ESPN radio and the official report (so far) is that it's a sprained shoulder. I haven't heard anything about a separation yet.

feltdizz
11-13-2012, 01:23 PM
Typical Ben... sorry but I shrug my shoulders over his injuries. Clean all year and then crushed by KC. I bet he was jealous of the attention Vick, Smith and Cutler were getting...

I kid but geez... will we ever have a year where we aren't questioning his health?

Jooser
11-13-2012, 01:27 PM
The way that Willie Colon was getting thrown around last night, I'm not surprised he got hurt. That dude was stinking up the joint last night.

pfelix73
11-13-2012, 01:35 PM
Colon had some great pulls and blocks last night. He wasn't at fault on the Ben injury....Ben held on to the ball too long on that play....

AngryAsian
11-13-2012, 01:49 PM
Never going to question Ben's toughness. Any other QB in the league would be retired by now with the hits that man has taken over the years with a usual porous line to protect him and long developing plays called (save for this year). I love the writer's dig about his usual 'imbellished' injury. The guy will play through anything he can... From near broken ankles practically in a cast to noses broken looking like the letter J. The guy is a warrior.

fezziwig
11-13-2012, 01:53 PM
I thought Leftwich was going to be carried off the field after his first play at quarterback. Leftwitch will probably start this week against the Ravens with both Batch and Ben dressed for the game. I forgot what a rifle arm Lefty has..........dang ! Send four receivers down the field and have Lefty air it out.

Djfan
11-13-2012, 01:55 PM
Never going to question Ben's toughness. Any other QB in the league would be retired by now with the hits that man has taken over the years with a usual porous line to protect him and long developing plays called (save for this year). I love the writer's dig about his usual 'imbellished' injury. The guy will play through anything he can... From near broken ankles practically in a cast to noses broken looking like the letter J. The guy is a warrior.

This. I hate the hate.

papillon
11-13-2012, 02:14 PM
I don't get some Steeler fans, but within the next 5-6 years the ones that didn't enjoy the time that Ben was a Steeler are really going to be miserable as the Steelers search for his replacement. Then they may realize that they weren't paying attention or were too busy wishing he played a different way, but make no mistake about it, unless, the Steelers catch lightning in a bottle in the draft the Steelers are going to suffer interminably because of average quarterback play.

They'll all be cheering when he's thanking the Rooneys, Bruce Arians, Todd Haley, his teammates and family on the stage at Canton.

Pappy

JAR
11-13-2012, 02:24 PM
I don't get some Steeler fans, but within the next 5-6 years the ones that didn't enjoy the time that Ben was a Steeler are really going to be miserable as the Steelers search for his replacement. Then they may realize that they weren't paying attention or were too busy wishing he played a different way, but make no mistake about it, unless, the Steelers catch lightning in a bottle in the draft the Steelers are going to suffer interminably because of average quarterback play.

They'll all be cheering when he's thanking the Rooneys, Bruce Arians, Todd Haley, his teammates and family on the stage at Canton.

Pappy

:Clap:Clap:Clap

I was getting texts from a couple of friends last night that Ben sucks... I was like, WTH.

papillon
11-13-2012, 02:31 PM
:Clap:Clap:Clap

I was getting texts from a couple of friends last night that Ben sucks... I was like, WTH.

Yea, he was average last night and that compared to the norm looks like a lot of "suck", but the beauty of it is that at given moment he can put together the drive or make the play that wins the game, even when he isn't at his best. Ask the Chiefs fans if they have that kind of faith in Cassell, or the Vikings in Ponder, or the Bengals in Dalton, etc, etc, etc. They may lie and tell you yes, but then there's reality.

Pappy

Starlifter
11-13-2012, 02:36 PM
Ben is a phenomenal QB and is a lock for the HOF.

flippy
11-13-2012, 02:42 PM
Yea, he was average last night and that compared to the norm looks like a lot of "suck", but the beauty of it is that at given moment he can put together the drive or make the play that wins the game, even when he isn't at his best. Ask the Chiefs fans if they have that kind of faith in Cassell, or the Vikings in Ponder, or the Bengals in Dalton, etc, etc, etc. They may lie and tell you yes, but then there's reality.

Pappy

Heck, ask Atlanta fans if they trust Ryan. Or Houston if they trust Schaub. Or Chicago if they trust Culter.

In fact there's only a small handful of QBs I'd trust with the game on the line. Ben, Eli, Brady....that's about it.

birtikidis
11-13-2012, 02:42 PM
I think we have 3-4 really bright spots on offense. Ben, pouncey, brown and miller all play their minds out. The others... They seem to play down to the competition.

skyhawk
11-13-2012, 04:05 PM
Ben was getting some serious love from Gruden and Tirico last night. MVP talk. I'm thinking - where the heck have you all been the last 9 years while Ben has been to THREE Super Bowls???

hawaiiansteel
11-13-2012, 09:33 PM
Ed: Roethlisberger's Rib Injury May be of More Concern

TUESDAY, 13 NOVEMBER 2012 WRITTEN BY ED BOUCHETTE

Besides his sprained right shoulder, Ben Roethlisberger also has a rib injury of some extent that Mike Tomlin did not mention at his press conference today.

A source said that injury could be more serious than anyone is letting on, and maybe even more serious than his right shoulder injury.

At mid-afternoon today the Steelers medical staff was still working through all the tests and trying to evaluate them.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/118851-ed-roethlisbergers-rib-injury-may-be-of-more-concern

Shawn
11-14-2012, 01:25 AM
Personally, I'm not too worried. First, the Steelers are going to be very ok with wild rumors about Ben before the Ravens game. Second a shoulder contusion, even with a separation is generally not all that worrisome. If he has a small rotator cuff tear, the contusion likely flared up some inflammation and pain. As long as that rotator cuff didn't further tear, Ben should be good to go...throw a ill steroid and anesthetic in the shoulder before the game.

Shawn
11-14-2012, 09:40 AM
Now it's being reported as a sternoclavicular injury. I highly doubt we are going to get any real information.

JAR
11-14-2012, 09:46 AM
Glazer is tweeting that Ben is ruled out for Sunday.

JAR
11-14-2012, 09:51 AM
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's shoulder injury is significant, and could force him to miss extended period, according to an ESPN.com report.

Shawn
11-14-2012, 09:55 AM
Significant...extended period. I smell sensationalism.

JAR
11-14-2012, 09:55 AM
Significant...extended period. I smell sensationalism.

That's what I'm hoping too. I hate ESPN.

feltdizz
11-14-2012, 10:43 AM
Significant...extended period. I smell sensationalism.

Until I see Ben in street clothes after kick off on Sunday Night I'm not buying it.... and I don't think the Ravens are buying it either.

SteelBucks
11-14-2012, 10:55 AM
Until I see Ben in street clothes after kick off on Sunday Night I'm not buying it.... and I don't think the Ravens are buying it either.

I just got a text alert from Steelers.com. Leftwich has been named the starter for Sunday night.

flippy
11-14-2012, 11:38 AM
Ben's a big wimp. Play through a little pain like Rainey. :)

hawaiiansteel
11-14-2012, 04:23 PM
Personally, I'm not too worried. First, the Steelers are going to be very ok with wild rumors about Ben before the Ravens game. Second a shoulder contusion, even with a separation is generally not all that worrisome. If he has a small rotator cuff tear, the contusion likely flared up some inflammation and pain. As long as that rotator cuff didn't further tear, Ben should be good to go...throw a ill steroid and anesthetic in the shoulder before the game.

just goes to show what happens when you speculate prematurely without knowing all of the facts...


Roethlisberger has rare, potentially dangerous rib injury

November 14, 2012
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Ben Roethlisberger has a rare rib injury that won't allow him to play until it heals because it could press on his aorta and kill him.

Roethlisberger, his right arm in a sling because of a SC shoulder sprain, said today that both injuries occurred on the same play when he was sacked by Justin Houston and Tamba Hali early in the third quarter in the Steelers overtime victory against Kansas City at Heinz Field.

The Post-Gazette yesterday revealed the rib injury that coach Mike Tomlin did not mention at his press conference on Tuesday, and that it could be as serious as the shoulder. Roethlisberger said it is a dislocation of the first rib that could puncture his aorta and that it is the bigger concern of the two.

"That's the more scary part because I guess if it goes in the wrong direction it could puncture the aorta," Roethlisberger told a large group of media gathered around him in the Steelers locker room at their Southside training facility.

Because of the danger, Roethlisberger said he cannot play again until the rib heals, and has no idea how long that will take, but he did not believe his season was over.

"I'm going to get back as soon as I can, I know that much."

The Steelers announced this morning that Byron Leftwich would start Sunday night against the Baltimore Ravens at Heinz Field.

Roethlisberger said he's gotten only about four hours sleep the past two nights and had to sleep in a chair.

"Certain movements," he said, "are very painful." Roethlisberger said doctors told him the injury is so rare in athletes that the last one they knew about that had a similar injury was a rugby player in 1998. However, St. Louis Rams wide receiver Danny Amendola reportedly had his aorta threatened when he sustained an SC shoulder sprain earlier this year because his clavicle was also dislocated and popped inward.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-quarterback-has-rare-potentially-dangerous-rib-injury-662035/#ixzz2CE676C36

Shawn
11-14-2012, 09:34 PM
You are funny H. Yes, it's tragic to speculate on a football message board. You hold a grudge for ages man...just let it go.

if you would like more of my crazy uninformed speculations check out this link...

http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/39110-Tomlin-s-PC-11-13?p=532690#post532690

hawaiiansteel
11-15-2012, 02:14 AM
You are funny H. Yes, it's tragic to speculate on a football message board. You hold a grudge for ages man...just let it go.


that's very ironic coming from you, how many posts did you make coming after me on the Trib Memories thread regarding NKy before you finally decided to let it go?

I would say one too many, maybe you should learn to heed your own advice.

Shawn
11-15-2012, 10:58 AM
that's very ironic coming from you, how many posts did you make coming after me on the Trib Memories thread regarding NKy before you finally decided to let it go?

I would say one too many, maybe you should learn to heed your own advice.

You liabled a man, who I consider a friend. This liable addressed his competency as a pilot and issues with addiction. You are not an expert in the field of addiction, nor were you an attendant at the incident in question. Because, you were holding a petty grudge about a message board, you decided to try to destroy a man's reputation...repeatedly. I consider it small of you. Good thing for you...NKy isn't holding you accountable for your words. I was actually surprised admin here allowed it.

If you want to hold a grudge about a quippy comment I made about your "fanship"...by all means do so. I already apologized for hurting your feelings. But, honestly grow up...there are bigger things than a message board...certainly bigger things than football.

hawaiiansteel
11-15-2012, 03:08 PM
If you want to hold a grudge about a quippy comment I made about your "fanship"...by all means do so.

I have been a lifelong fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers. when you told me that I should go and find another team to root for just because I predicted on a message board prediction thread that I thought the Broncos would beat us on opening day (which they did) I realized what a judgmental person you really are.

why do you think you have the right to say something like that to a fellow Steelers fan? you didn't "hurt my feelings" with that ignorant comment of yours, you just plain insulted me. sounds to me like you have a lot of growing up to do yourself...

Shawn
11-15-2012, 04:17 PM
I have been a lifelong fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers. when you told me that I should go and find another team to root for just because I predicted on a message board prediction thread that I thought the Broncos would beat us on opening day (which they did) I realized what a judgmental person you really are.

why do you think you have the right to say something like that to a fellow Steelers fan? you didn't "hurt my feelings" with that ignorant comment of yours, you just plain insulted me. sounds to me like you have a lot of growing up to do yourself...

H, if it's something that has caused you to feel the need to follow me from post to post taking shots at me...that's your deal. I apologized for hurting your feelings..."insulting you" or whatever. How long will you hold onto it? Again, I ask you something you never answered. You call me "judgmental"...yet you dissected a man's life publically. We are not talking about "you need to root for another team"...we are talking about "this man is a drunk, shouldn't be a pilot and is a horrible human being". If I'm judgmental...what are you? I have apologized to you...have you apologized to NKy?

I have never placed another poster on ignore...but at this point if you are unable to lay a petty insult down...then I see no reason we have to interact again. It might be best if we both just place each other on ignore and be done with it.

hawaiiansteel
11-15-2012, 04:32 PM
H, if it's something that has caused you to feel the need to follow me from post to post taking shots at me...that's your deal. I apologized for hurting your feelings..."insulting you" or whatever. How long will you hold onto it? Again, I ask you something you never answered. You call me "judgmental"...yet you dissected a man's life publically. We are not talking about "you need to root for another team"...we are talking about "this man is a drunk, shouldn't be a pilot and is a horrible human being". If I'm judgmental...what are you? I have apologized to you...have you apologized to NKy?

I have never placed another poster on ignore...but at this point if you are unable to lay a petty insult down...then I see no reason we have to interact again. It might be best if we both just place each other on ignore and be done with it.

or you could just stop your petty insults...

Shawn
11-15-2012, 04:48 PM
or you could just stop your petty insults...

What are you talking about? Besides that the time I told you to root for another team, when have I said an ill word to you? I have no desire to insult you.

hawaiiansteel
11-15-2012, 04:59 PM
What are you talking about? Besides that the time I told you to root for another team, when have I said an ill word to you? I have no desire to insult you.

you are the first and only guy I have ever had this kind of a problem with on a message board.

at this point let's just both let it go...

Shawn
11-15-2012, 05:06 PM
you are the first and only guy I have ever had this kind of a problem with on a message board.

at this point let's just both let it go...

H, I was never hanging onto it. I'm not holding a grudge. I'm still not sure of the "problem". But, hey whatever floats your boat bro.

Oviedo
11-15-2012, 05:13 PM
personal messaging is a great feature

Shawn
11-15-2012, 05:15 PM
personal messaging is a great feature

You think?

lloydroid
11-15-2012, 05:22 PM
Significant...extended period. I smell sensationalism.

BULL Droppings is was. It is significant and he is going to miss a month or more. I call that significant.

Shawn
11-15-2012, 05:25 PM
BULL Droppings is was. It is significant and he is going to miss a month or more. I call that significant.

What is this pick on Shawn day? A SC injury was all that was revealed when I posted that. While I don't have medical people in my family I do know most SC injuries while painful are not a huge deal. The rib injury came out later. Of course that is signicant...of course it's an issue.

fezziwig
11-15-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm lucky enough to have been a young fan when the Steelers 70's team became the icon of the NFL. Having wacthed so much Steeler football and having the blind love I have for the Steelers 70's teams, players I can honestly say, Ben has it all over Bradshaw. He's tougher, more accurate, everything you can say positive about Ben's qb abilities. Terry might have a better deep ball but going into battle and if I had to pick one, it would be Ben.
This talk about Ben being a drama queen, or Ben isn't a good qb is off the charts for me. These same poster will cry the blues when we have to go with a new qb. Big Bens don't fall out of trees and it took 25 years to get past the Bradshaw era. A SC injury might be an okay injury for someone that doesn't play football and even if the rib wasn't pointed to an organ or whatever, it has to be a difficult situation just to breah let alone play football.
Give some respect to a guy that has placed this team on his shoulder and has given up his body for the win column.
Man, to bust on a guy that is injured and has won us two Super Bowls and brought the Steelers their 6th Lombard and put this team/city on the map again........ Wow, two faced fans out there.

lloydroid
11-15-2012, 08:59 PM
What is this pick on Shawn day? A SC injury was all that was revealed when I posted that. While I don't have medical people in my family I do know most SC injuries while painful are not a huge deal. The rib injury came out later. Of course that is signicant...of course it's an issue.

Oh, look out "poor Shawn" who acts like he doesn't ridicule others whine when he gets questioned. It is so noted that you are attempting to ridicule me with your comments above. But, you will switch gears and give us your "Christian" vibe later if I call you to task for trying to ridicule me, which this board supposedly does not allow. It was the first time I read your comments about Ben's injury being exaggerated; I didn't notice when you posted it. He will miss a month. And that injury is big balls as throwing the ball will kill him with pain until it heals up. I have had that injury before, so I know about it personally. He isn't sleeping at night unless he's on major pain killing drugs.

lloydroid
11-15-2012, 09:13 PM
I'm lucky enough to have been a young fan when the Steelers 70's team became the icon of the NFL. Having wacthed so much Steeler football and having the blind love I have for the Steelers 70's teams, players I can honestly say, Ben has it all over Bradshaw. He's tougher, more accurate, everything you can say positive about Ben's qb abilities. Terry might have a better deep ball but going into battle and if I had to pick one, it would be Ben.
This talk about Ben being a drama queen, or Ben isn't a good qb is off the charts for me. These same poster will cry the blues when we have to go with a new qb. Big Bens don't fall out of trees and it took 25 years to get past the Bradshaw era. A SC injury might be an okay injury for someone that doesn't play football and even if the rib wasn't pointed to an organ or whatever, it has to be a difficult situation just to breah let alone play football.
Give some respect to a guy that has placed this team on his shoulder and has given up his body for the win column.
Man, to bust on a guy that is injured and has won us two Super Bowls and brought the Steelers their 6th Lombard and put this team/city on the map again........ Wow, two faced fans out there.

I agree with all of this. Has anyone went back and watched Terry Bradshaw, especially in tapes that show entire games, instead of just the highlights? He wasn't nearly as good as Ben. Not even close. Ben was instantly the better QB even as a rookie, compared to TB's first few years. TB did win 4 SBs, and always came through when it mattered most, but Ben's teams were no where near as talented - comparative to the competition - as the 1970's Steelers. Not even close. Bradshaw was no where near the QB Ben was. Ben is the better passer when you look at in collectively. Go back and watch full games of TB. He was a pretty bad short and medium passer to be honest. He lacked touch, almost like Leftwich - where they drill hard passes at targets that should be thrown at with more touch. One thing that is true about Ben, is he is a drama queen; he seems to like to report about how he is injured. I think that is his mental trap door just in case he fails, which he doesn't do very often. But you know what else he is in addition to a drama queen? One of the toughest SOB's to ever play QB in the NFL. The guy came back from a high ankle sprain and kept playing in the same game he had in injured. That is almost unheard of, especially for a QB. I have screamed at the TV when Ben throws one of his knuckle head, ill advised throws as he tends to do once or twice a game. But he makes up for them, in most games, fortunately.

lloydroid
11-15-2012, 09:19 PM
I have been a lifelong fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers. when you told me that I should go and find another team to root for just because I predicted on a message board prediction thread that I thought the Broncos would beat us on opening day (which they did) I realized what a judgmental person you really are.

why do you think you have the right to say something like that to a fellow Steelers fan? you didn't "hurt my feelings" with that ignorant comment of yours, you just plain insulted me. sounds to me like you have a lot of growing up to do yourself...

I have interacted with both of you, and in my personal experience HISteel is the far more fair, more consistent, less combative dude. Shawn likes to preach about Jesus but them goes on to attempt ridicule where it was not called for. Would Jesus ridicule and attempt to make fun of others?

Shawn
11-15-2012, 10:38 PM
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lloydroid
11-16-2012, 04:15 PM
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Hahahaha, when you lose the debate, run and hide. LMAO. What a hypocrite.

fezziwig
11-16-2012, 07:45 PM
Yep, there are a couple posters on here that like to act as if they have taken the high road. What they really do is set you up, make these soft comments that are really digs. When you react or stand up for yourself, they turn it all around upon you. Your over reacting, you took it the wrong way, I didn;t mean it that way, it was a joke, I didn't think it would bother anyone. blah, blah, blah. Like I said, 97% of the posters here are great folks but the other 3%...... eh. Actually there is probably only 94% great posters. I sometimes get mad at myself and the other person that is speakng in my head.

lloydroid
11-16-2012, 09:08 PM
Yep, there are a couple posters on here that like to act as if they have taken the high road. What they really do is set you up, make these soft comments that are really digs. When you react or stand up for yourself, they turn it all around upon you. Your over reacting, you took it the wrong way, I didn;t mean it that way, it was a joke, I didn't think it would bother anyone. blah, blah, blah. Like I said, 97% of the posters here are great folks but the other 3%...... eh. Actually there is probably only 94% great posters. I sometimes get mad at myself and the other person that is speakng in my head.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Steelreal
11-17-2012, 02:19 AM
Rest up Ben. We love ya big fella and We need ya in the playoffs. Next man up!

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 09:59 AM
Steelreal, welcome aboard. I 'm guessing from your post that you plan on seeing our Steelers in the playoffs. Love your enthusiasm but I'm worried right now that being already at the 6th seed spot and Ben injured....ouch !
I know Peyton was going to improve the Broncos but not as well as he did. I never would have guessed that the Colts would be in the topic. You can always count on the Ravens and the Cheats to be there and the Texans are no brainers. If we don't make the playoffs, Super Bowl I will be cheering on the Texans.

Just as a measuring stick, I wonder how many teams that lost the opener went on to the playoffs and won it all ? I'm thinking it was the Cowboys in 95 and when they beat us in the Super Bowl.....Strike that, when O"Donnell lost the Super Bowl. I wonder how many Steeler teams have lost the opener two years in a row ?

Steelreal
11-17-2012, 10:15 AM
Im not concerned with losing openers. I'm concerened with losing in the end. Thats what counts. I am enthusiastic because the Steelers are good and One guy has never stopped us, so I dont know why everyone is worried. We dont depend on Ben like the Colts depended on Manning. Like the Pats depend on Brady. Ben is not that type of impact player. Ben impacts the game in spurts. Those two impact the game every week. If They play poorly then their respective teams generally lose. Ben can play poorly and we can still win because we are the Steelers. We are a Team. No one man stops the show. Lastly, I think Tomlin is more of a coach when Ben is out. Dont know why but it seems as if he is more vocal and active on the sidelines. We beat the Ravens by 10 or more. We are good. Thx for the welcome

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 10:40 AM
I can't remember us beating the Ravens without Ben. Sure I want our Steelers to win but, with the Ravens being the first team up with Lefty not having much playing time of late..It's a tall order.

Steelreal
11-17-2012, 10:46 AM
Its not like we dont lose to them with Ben. Did you forget a 35-7 loss last year? They swept us and Ben played. We lost by 3 with Dixon and Batch. Ben came back and we won by 3. Im not worried at all, we will win this game easily. Watch how smooth the offense looks under Leftwich. He's no Ben but hes a good quarterback for the Steelers.

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 11:20 AM
I know we've lost with Ben at the helm last year and yes, Lefty is an excellent backup in my opinion providing he doesn't get hurt and he can shake off the rust. We won a few games when Ben had his suspension but, that team was much better.

Steelreal
11-17-2012, 11:55 AM
We are the Steelers gentlemen. We went 13-3 with Kordell. Ravens are in trouble

fezziwig
11-17-2012, 03:15 PM
I've never known an NFL team to fall apart because the Steelers had won in the past. The Raiders, Bronco's and Titans must not know of the Steeler legacy. Obviously there were a few Chiefs that didn't get the memo either.

hawaiiansteel
11-17-2012, 05:49 PM
Watch how smooth the offense looks under Leftwich. He's no Ben but hes a good quarterback for the Steelers.

yeah, I saw how smoothly Leftwich led the Steelers' offense to 3 points in the second half against Kansas City...