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SanAntonioSteelerFan
11-04-2012, 08:53 PM
We're not getting burned in the 2ndary every 2nd play, but why not? It's not like we're getting more sacks, are we getting more pressures? I'd say maybe the QBs haven't been as good that we're facing, but that was Eli "4th Qrtr" Manning out there. Is it just one of those things without a real reason, or is there a concrete reason?

Enquiring minds want to know, but first ...

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
11-04-2012, 09:07 PM
Perhaps the senile one had a plan all along. Maybe he realize that we were just a tweak or two away, not an armageddon. We had our horrible DBs line up against two premiere WRs, we had our worst DL in the league trying to stuff a good back and a clutch QB but somehow our gameplan won out. We faced a rookie sensation the week before and held him to twelve points and a season low rushing total. It might not look like Steeler D is supposed to be played but it has been more effective lately.

DukieBoy
11-04-2012, 09:12 PM
Steelers are playing alot of man press coverage, two-deep safeties, and the CB's are up to it. Dungy just showed that on NBC. Also, Ike was matching up with Salsa in the slot and did fairly well with the assignment. Then there was the pressure on Eli. What was he tonight, 10 of 24?

D Rock
11-04-2012, 09:14 PM
I think it has a lot to do with Keenan Lewis stepping up BIG and Ike Taylor returning to his old form.


Here's another thought I've had lately...Troy Polamalu needs Ryan Clark to allow him to be as great as he is, but Ryan Clark is a better player when Troy is not playing.

Flasteel
11-04-2012, 09:20 PM
Steelers are playing alot of man press coverage, two-deep safeties, and the CB's are up to it. Dungy just showed that on NBC. Also, Ike was matching up with Salsa in the slot and did fairly well with the assignment. Then there was the pressure on Eli. What was he tonight, 10 of 24?
This is it and for those of you who remember my rants over the past few seasons, it's that evolution in LeBeau's play-calling, which has made the difference. Ike Taylor's hands are still way to sticky for me, but he and Lewis have been jamming guys and staying with them.

We've also gotten a lot of consistent pressure (without the sacks) and our run defense has been stouty lately.

Great job in all phases of the game and way to overcome adversity!!!!

I wanted to add the word discipline.

Not only good coverage in man and zone, but good gap integrity, good tackling, and no break-downs.

BURGH86STEEL
11-04-2012, 09:21 PM
The team won so it gives fans less reason to nit pick over every little issue.

SteelAbility
11-04-2012, 09:37 PM
I haven't been seeing a whole lot of 10-yard cushions lately.

Snatch98
11-04-2012, 09:41 PM
I think it has a lot to do with Keenan Lewis stepping up BIG and Ike Taylor returning to his old form.


Here's another thought I've had lately...Troy Polamalu needs Ryan Clark to allow him to be as great as he is, but Ryan Clark is a better player when Troy is not playing.

It's absolutely this, plus our other corners are playing in sound fashion and Will Allen has actually been a bright spot at safety. Our secondary is just playing very well and it's getting offenses off the field. Just imagine when Harrison is actually in form and Troy is back in the fold. Playing press coverage with troy in to also blitz or drop back and Harrison at full strength will wreak havoc.

Snatch98
11-04-2012, 09:42 PM
I think it has a lot to do with Keenan Lewis stepping up BIG and Ike Taylor returning to his old form.


Here's another thought I've had lately...Troy Polamalu needs Ryan Clark to allow him to be as great as he is, but Ryan Clark is a better player when Troy is not playing.

Clark is just asked to do more when Troy is out.

D Rock
11-04-2012, 10:12 PM
Clark is just asked to do more when Troy is out.


Yes, but also a more traditional role. When Troy is playing it seems his main job is to make sure Troy's a** is covered when he does crazy stuff.

hawaiiansteel
11-04-2012, 10:16 PM
execution?

RussBII
11-04-2012, 10:36 PM
The offense is holding the ball longer. The defense is fresher when it hits the fields. I think this is especially evident with the DBs. They can run with the WRs longer because they aren't as tired.

Just my .02

hawaiiansteel
11-04-2012, 10:41 PM
The offense is holding the ball longer. The defense is fresher when it hits the fields. I think this is especially evident with the DBs. They can run with the WRs longer because they aren't as tired.

Just my .02

we had 36 minutes TOP against Oakland versus their 24 and yet still lost that game...

RussBII
11-04-2012, 10:45 PM
It's not absolute, I just think its a factor. The DBs looked so good and fresh in the 4th qtr.

Clearly the decision to play press helps too.

DukieBoy
11-04-2012, 10:46 PM
The offense is holding the ball longer. The defense is fresher when it hits the fields. I think this is especially evident with the DBs. They can run with the WRs longer because they aren't as tired.

Just my .02

Absolutely a factor. Glad you stated it.
What was Time of Possession today? Probably a significant plus for us, for our D, and against their D.

Chadman
11-04-2012, 11:25 PM
Lawrence Timmons.

That's your God-damn reason right there.

(Sits back to watch the board go into meltdown)

BradshawsHairdresser
11-04-2012, 11:28 PM
To add to what y'all have said, I think that putting Will Allen at Safety instead of Mundy really helped to stabilize the backfield.

pittpete
11-05-2012, 12:01 AM
Dam, you beat me to it....
No Mundy out there:o

Keyplay1
11-05-2012, 09:46 AM
I was wondering the same thing. Although believe it or not in the pre-season I thought this D could be very special. It just seemed like it was functioning as one and the timing was perfect and each player knew exactly what to do and how to get it done.

Imagine my complete WTF is this for many of the games.

The D was pretty much just decent for the 1st 3Q's. But that 4thQ was -------------. Bottle it! Might need it again sometime.

Originally Posted by DukieBoy http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=531223#post531223) Steelers are playing alot of man press coverage, two-deep safeties, and the CB's are up to it. Dungy just showed that on NBC. Also, Ike was matching up with Salsa in the slot and did fairly well with the assignment. Then there was the pressure on Eli. What was he tonight, 10 of 24?


Flasteel said: This is it and for those of you who remember my rants over the past few seasons, it's that evolution in LeBeau's play-calling, which has made the difference. Ike Taylor's hands are still way to sticky for me, but he and Lewis have been jamming guys and staying with them.

We've also gotten a lot of consistent pressure (without the sacks) and our run defense has been stouty lately.

Great job in all phases of the game and way to overcome adversity!!!!

I wanted to add the word discipline.

Not only good coverage in man and zone, but good gap integrity, good tackling, and no break-downs.

---Yeah! That is probably what I thought I saw flashes of in the pre-season. :D

Oviedo
11-05-2012, 09:52 AM
Lawrence Timmons.

That's your God-damn reason right there.

(Sits back to watch the board go into meltdown)

Yep! When Timmons is allowed to go after the QB, we just seem to win. When he plays 8 yards off the LOS we don't.

steelblood
11-05-2012, 09:53 AM
This is it and for those of you who remember my rants over the past few seasons, it's that evolution in LeBeau's play-calling, which has made the difference. Ike Taylor's hands are still way to sticky for me, but he and Lewis have been jamming guys and staying with them.

We've also gotten a lot of consistent pressure (without the sacks) and our run defense has been stouty lately.

Great job in all phases of the game and way to overcome adversity!!!!

I wanted to add the word discipline.

Not only good coverage in man and zone, but good gap integrity, good tackling, and no break-downs.

I like this post very much. I agree. Further, I'd say there are lots of things this defense can improve on. Ziggy Hood is still on roller skates out there. Teams love to run right at him and he cannot hold the point. He should improve or share more snaps with McClendon (yes he can play DE), Heyward, or even Woods (if he is active). We can still get a lot more pressure on the QB. Stop playing Ziggy in the nickel. He is not a good pass rusher. Get Heyward or McClendon in there. Our pass rush and QB pressure is improving, but we can be much better (which is scary).

SidSmythe
11-05-2012, 09:55 AM
Can't say it's the pressure.

How about Cortez Allen at the nickel???

Slapstick
11-05-2012, 10:33 AM
The pressure got to Eli yesterday...up to this game, he had been sacked only 6 times...the Steelers recorded two sacks and, as mentioned previously, McClendon created pressure that led to Ike's INT...