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flippy
10-22-2012, 02:26 PM
Why does the media keep printing half the stuff Big Ben says? It's kinda funny the way he so easily manipulates them.

The Haley/Ben rift is the latest in the line of Big Ben misdirections.

Once again, I think Ben's trying to make people fall asleep on him. Dink and Dunk is the new Running Game and Defense everyone talked about early in his career.

If you really think about why Ben doesn't get as much credit as other QBs, it's mostly due to Ben and the info he puts out there. Ever notice how since Ben has been in Pittsburgh, the reality of what the Steelers do on the field is never reported accurately. The Steelers beat writers write what Ben and Tomlin tell them. And I think these 2 have figured out how to get an edge in the media.

Ben needed Haley because everyone can see the defense struggling. The running game has been struggling. The penalty flags are dropping everywhere. It's become clear as day that Ben needs to carry this team.

But this "Dink and Dunk/Ben Hates Haley" stuff will make everyone miss what's really happening here. People will be talking about the D and running game come playoff time. And that's our opening. Make everyone go to sleep on Ben just in time for the playoffs and lets make a run.

Mister Pittsburgh
10-22-2012, 05:41 PM
I hope you are correct.

flippy
10-22-2012, 05:48 PM
I hope you are correct.

I'm sure they miss his sense of humor and take him seriously when he's not. Ben seems to like to mess around with reporters. And it's crazy how one miss on Ben's humor and twitter, espn, etc all blow up with a story that's not there.

These guys run with the littlest things. BA's hand signals, Haley didnt reach out to Ben gate, dink and dunk. The way this info keeps dripping reeks of it being planned.

SidSmythe
10-22-2012, 05:51 PM
i don't know if the media is as dumb as they sound or if thats their gameplan. i think it's 50/50.

SDSteel1
10-22-2012, 06:15 PM
Or could it be that this really is a story, and although Ben doesn't prefer the "dink and dunk" it is working to keep him on his feet and it is working as a replacement for our mediocre run game. Basically yhe major mistakes on offense last night came from Wallaces drops and Batch drop, and Ben not taking what was given him. Heath wasn't open in the endzone, and Ben could have checked down and hit Dwyer, and on the sack/fumble, Ben was looking down field for a big play. I love the fact that Ben can extend any play, and he has a laser for an arm, but I think he hates being forced to check down and not throw is 30 yards down field every chance he gets. Haley is forcing him to go against what he wants to do, Arians let Ben be Ben. I think Hines addressed it last night. The OC has to be a Team guy not a QB guy.

flippy
10-22-2012, 06:28 PM
Or could it be that this really is a story, and although Ben doesn't prefer the "dink and dunk" it is working to keep him on his feet and it is working as a replacement for our mediocre run game. Basically yhe major mistakes on offense last night came from Wallaces drops and Batch drop, and Ben not taking what was given him. Heath wasn't open in the endzone, and Ben could have checked down and hit Dwyer, and on the sack/fumble, Ben was looking down field for a big play. I love the fact that Ben can extend any play, and he has a laser for an arm, but I think he hates being forced to check down and not throw is 30 yards down field every chance he gets. Haley is forcing him to go against what he wants to do, Arians let Ben be Ben. I think Hines addressed it last night. The OC has to be a Team guy not a QB guy.

I think all that plays into the story.

While I don't see a contentious relationship being real, I do think that Haley's got his work cut out for him trying to help Ben find the fine line in his game.

6 games don't make a season, but it looks so far like Haley wants Ben to be Tom Brady on 1st and 2nd down and then Ben on 3rd down. And be healthy going into the post season.

feltdizz
10-22-2012, 06:28 PM
Ben has an insane 3rd down percentage... IMO Ben has received more praise this year than in previous years. The local media wants a fight between Ben and Haley but every opponent knows this offense goes through Ben.

One reason we are dink and running is due the injuries at RB. It also keeps Ben clean, keeps 3rd downs manageable, helps with field position and lulls the D to sleep. The play to Batch was a prime example..

papillon
10-23-2012, 06:57 AM
Ben has an insane 3rd down percentage... IMO Ben has received more praise this year than in previous years. The local media wants a fight between Ben and Haley but every opponent knows this offense goes through Ben.

One reason we are dink and running is due the injuries at RB. It also keeps Ben clean, keeps 3rd downs manageable, helps with field position and lulls the D to sleep. The play to Batch was a prime example..

It also forces the defense to cover the entire field, because now Ben will use the underneath routes and take his 3, 4 or 5 yards rather than looking for the big play frequently. The offense should continue to improve over the course of the year and hopefully hit its stride at the right time.

Pappy

RuthlessBurgher
10-23-2012, 10:09 AM
Or could it be that this really is a story, and although Ben doesn't prefer the "dink and dunk" it is working to keep him on his feet and it is working as a replacement for our mediocre run game. Basically yhe major mistakes on offense last night came from Wallaces drops and Batch drop, and Ben not taking what was given him. Heath wasn't open in the endzone, and Ben could have checked down and hit Dwyer, and on the sack/fumble, Ben was looking down field for a big play. I love the fact that Ben can extend any play, and he has a laser for an arm, but I think he hates being forced to check down and not throw is 30 yards down field every chance he gets. Haley is forcing him to go against what he wants to do, Arians let Ben be Ben. I think Hines addressed it last night. The OC has to be a Team guy not a QB guy.

Heath was no more open on his TD catch than he was on the INT...it's just that one of them was a pinpoint accurate laser throw, and the other one, well, not so much.

SDSteel1
10-23-2012, 07:27 PM
Heath was no more open on his TD catch than he was on the INT...it's just that one of them was a pinpoint accurate laser throw, and the other one, well, not so much.

I'm not saying he was, but there is a better chance of something bad happening when you throw to a guy who is blanket covered as opposed to throwing to an open receiver. To limit mistakes you can't always rely of the pinpoint laser.

bostonsteeler
10-23-2012, 09:05 PM
Heath was no more open on his TD catch than he was on the INT...it's just that one of them was a pinpoint accurate laser throw, and the other one, well, not so much.

Heath could have made that one too IMO. The throw wasn't terrible. It was just a combination of things..

steelz09
10-23-2012, 09:19 PM
I'm not saying the media is smart by any stretch of the imagination.

I will say that Ben should shut his mouth when he knows those comments are not setting a good example and will add fuel to fire. Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing Ben make those type of negative shots because lover boy Arians is gone.

kindlecatsb'ng
10-23-2012, 09:34 PM
[QUOTE=flippy;529361]Why does the media keep printing half the stuff Big Ben says? It's kinda funny the way he so easily manipulates them.

The Haley/Ben rift is the latest in the line of Big Ben misdirections.]

This Am I Caught a few minutes of ESPN Mike & Mike and Mike Greenberg was bringing up the disunity between Ben & Haley like it was the gospel truth.

Also the guys on 93.7 the Fan (Cook & Vinnie) were really angry about Tomlin's comments about the media.

Tomlin is right to a certain degree because not all media people are there to seek the truth. News sells----it doesn't have to be the truth at all--just "news". So maybe these guys are just sick of it all because the media will continue to write inaccuracies or their perceptions whether right or wrong and it really doesn't matter to how these players/coaches go about their business.

In real life we all have to work with people we may not like, respect, or get along but at the end of the day, we all have to find some way to make it work. Ben may still be a true friend to Arians but he is smart enough to know that he is working in a system that now has a new offensive coordinator and that decision came from the top.

Kindle

RuthlessBurgher
10-23-2012, 10:59 PM
The only way to dispel this rift myth is to have Haley and Ben show how much they love each other by kissing on camera a la Cowher/Kordell or Porter/Cowher. :p

grotonsteel
10-24-2012, 02:11 AM
I think Ben likes to play with media..he is just goofing with the media...IMO...