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pfelix73
10-16-2012, 12:13 PM
Per Tomlin-

Ta' amu (sp) is suspended without pay for 2 weeks...Tomlin says team will NOT tolerate this type of behavior. Will NOT be allowed around team for 2 weeks and will re evaluate situation later....

Out of Cincy Game-

Gilbert- Adams will start
Troy

Questionable-

Pouncey
Mendy
Redman


Will update this here shortly.

RuthlessBurgher
10-16-2012, 12:23 PM
If Pouncey can't go, that leaves us with only 6 healthy OL (Starks, Colon, Legursky, Foster, and Adams starting, with Beachum as the only backup), so we'd need to make a roster move this week to activate another OL from the P.S. (such as Ryan Lee or John Malecki) or sign a veteran OL (such as Trai Essex, who was cut by the Colts 3 weeks ago).

pfelix73
10-16-2012, 12:38 PM
He was asked about suiting up 8 OL for this week, and he sort of said that they were going to do that. With the suspension of Ta' amu, they have an extra roster spot on the 53 man... They must be working out some FA's- he said there were some there today trying out... Stay tuned....

Woodley is playing...

Oviedo
10-16-2012, 12:45 PM
Per Tomlin-

Ta' amu (sp) is suspended without pay for 2 weeks...Tomlin says team will NOT tolerate this type of behavior. Will NOT be allowed around team for 2 weeks and will re evaluate situation later....

Out of Cincy Game-

Gilbert- Adams will start
Troy

Questionable-

Pouncey
Mendy
Redman


Will update this here shortly.

What about Woodley?

Oviedo
10-16-2012, 12:47 PM
What about Woodley?


Oops!! My bad. The question was answered.

BradshawsHairdresser
10-16-2012, 01:03 PM
Here we go again with Woodley...Isn't he suffering from a hamstring issue? Hope this isn't like last season, where he went through a major part of the schedule either ineffective or unable to play because he kept coming in before his hammy was fully healed.

Oviedo
10-16-2012, 01:08 PM
Here we go again with Woodley...Isn't he suffering from a hamstring issue? Hope this isn't like last season, where he went through a major part of the schedule either ineffective or unable to play because he kept coming in before his hammy was fully healed.


IMO it will be an annual problem. He is a DE playing OLB and I don't think his powerful body is made for chasing RBs, WRs and TEs while in coverage.

phillyesq
10-16-2012, 01:55 PM
IMO it will be an annual problem. He is a DE playing OLB and I don't think his powerful body is made for chasing RBs, WRs and TEs while in coverage.

This is pure speculation. If this opinion is corroborated by anybody with a medical background, I'd love to see it.

steelz09
10-16-2012, 02:09 PM
IMO it will be an annual problem. He is a DE playing OLB and I don't think his powerful body is made for chasing RBs, WRs and TEs while in coverage.

Interesting. My father and I were actually talking about this after his injury. It seems like he's 10-15 lbs heavy as an OLB and 15-20 lbs to light for a 3-4 DE. He must be around 270. Last year, he looked about the size of Heyward.

Or maybe it's his training. Maybe he should focus more on flexibility and resistance training than weights.

BradshawsHairdresser
10-16-2012, 02:12 PM
I'd think his problem with hamstring issues is more likely to be tied to his powerful body not being kept in top condition. Admittedly, that, too, involves some speculation...but it appears to me that Big LaMarr may have allowed himself to get a little TOO big.

squidkid
10-16-2012, 02:14 PM
wow, he really laid down the law on a player that hasnt even dressed once.
talk about holding people accountable for their actions:rolleyes:

phillyesq
10-16-2012, 03:39 PM
I'd think his problem with hamstring issues is more likely to be tied to his powerful body not being kept in top condition. Admittedly, that, too, involves some speculation...but it appears to me that Big LaMarr may have allowed himself to get a little TOO big.

Keith Butler said the same thing, that Woodley in the past has let himself get too big in the offseason. Cannot recall if that was the case this year or not.

Shawn
10-16-2012, 04:32 PM
This is pure speculation. If this opinion is corroborated by anybody with a medical background, I'd love to see it.

Yeah, I'm not buying it if that tells you anything.

Oviedo
10-16-2012, 04:56 PM
This is pure speculation. If this opinion is corroborated by anybody with a medical background, I'd love to see it.

Yes it is opinion which is why it was prefaced by IMO (In My Opinion). People tend to have opinions on message board and some even take exceptions to others opinions offering no facts to support their exceptions or disprove the the original opinion.

Oviedo
10-16-2012, 04:58 PM
Interesting. My father and I were actually talking about this after his injury. It seems like he's 10-15 lbs heavy as an OLB and 15-20 lbs to light for a 3-4 DE. He must be around 270. Last year, he looked about the size of Heyward.

Or maybe it's his training. Maybe he should focus more on flexibility and resistance training than weights.

Be careful, you and your Dad don't have a medical background so some may take offense to you actually "speculating"

phillyesq
10-17-2012, 09:30 AM
Yes it is opinion which is why it was prefaced by IMO (In My Opinion). People tend to have opinions on message board and some even take exceptions to others opinions offering no facts to support their exceptions or disprove the the original opinion.

Ovi, your opposition to the 3-4 is approaching tin foil hat levels. Woodley pulled his hamstring because of the 3-4? Was he even in coverage on the play where the injury occurred? Is there a history of 3-4 OLBs suffering more leg injuries than 4-3 DEs (because plenty of DEs get hurt, too)?

birtikidis
10-17-2012, 11:25 AM
Hasn't seemed to be a problem for all the other DE conversion projects we've had.

NW Steeler
10-17-2012, 11:32 AM
Yes it is opinion which is why it was prefaced by IMO (In My Opinion). People tend to have opinions on message board and some even take exceptions to others opinions offering no facts to support their exceptions or disprove the the original opinion.

Yes, but you DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night though. Right? :p

Ghost
10-17-2012, 01:14 PM
wow, he really laid down the law on a player that hasnt even dressed once.
talk about holding people accountable for their actions:rolleyes:

This was my thought as well. Dude injured a person in a drunk driving car wreck and is being brought up on charges of resisting arrest. A 2 game suspension is weak and certainly does not say "I WON'T tolerate this behavior". Suspend him for the season, offer him help if he asks for it, and tell him the Steelers would love to have him back in camp next year if he gets his act together.

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 01:43 PM
If Tomlin/Arians/Haley sneezed and didnt say excuse me you guys would complain. I blame the players, the ones on the field. Bellicheat makes Brady good? if thats the case then what happened with Bledsoe? What happened in Cleveland? If Caldwell/Dungy made Peyton Manning then what happened when Peyton was hurt? What happened in Tampa? Sorry Phil Jackson didnt make Jordan, it was the other way around. Coaches put players in position to be successful but its those players who execute at a high level that make a difference. This isnt High School or College.

Oviedo
10-17-2012, 01:52 PM
Ovi, your opposition to the 3-4 is approaching tin foil hat levels. Woodley pulled his hamstring because of the 3-4? Was he even in coverage on the play where the injury occurred? Is there a history of 3-4 OLBs suffering more leg injuries than 4-3 DEs (because plenty of DEs get hurt, too)?

It all goes back to my basic premise. When all the gear are in perfect working order the 3-4 is great. My fundamental issue is based on two factors:

1. It is high risk because of the need to take up to three season out of a players career to convert them to new positions and because of this medium to high risk coversion process it creates depth issues that leave teams unprepared when the successful conversions are injured or at the end of their careers.
2. It is much more efficient to take players out of college and have them play the positions that they played in college that you scouted them playing and determined they had potential for the NFL.

I think I have been pretty consistent about that. And to suggest that having a 270lb man chase 200lb RBs in pass coverage may cause leg injuries is far from a reach. It's a logical possibility.

My preference for the 4-3 is no less credible than your love for the 3-4. You like apples and I like oranges. However, I think the argument I have made about replenishing talent in our 3-4 is looking to be very true as the stars of the last 7-10 years fade out.

BURGH86STEEL
10-17-2012, 06:42 PM
It all goes back to my basic premise. When all the gear are in perfect working order the 3-4 is great. My fundamental issue is based on two factors:

1. It is high risk because of the need to take up to three season out of a players career to convert them to new positions and because of this medium to high risk coversion process it creates depth issues that leave teams unprepared when the successful conversions are injured or at the end of their careers.
2. It is much more efficient to take players out of college and have them play the positions that they played in college that you scouted them playing and determined they had potential for the NFL.

I think I have been pretty consistent about that. And to suggest that having a 270lb man chase 200lb RBs in pass coverage may cause leg injuries is far from a reach. It's a logical possibility.

My preference for the 4-3 is no less credible than your love for the 3-4. You like apples and I like oranges. However, I think the argument I have made about replenishing talent in our 3-4 is looking to be very true as the stars of the last 7-10 years fade out.

Your basic premise applies to any offensive or defensive scheme.

lloydroid
10-17-2012, 06:58 PM
Here we go again with Woodley...Isn't he suffering from a hamstring issue? Hope this isn't like last season, where he went through a major part of the schedule either ineffective or unable to play because he kept coming in before his hammy was fully healed.

If he re-injures it from trying to come back too quickly, I am gonna be beyond angry.

jj28west
10-17-2012, 08:33 PM
great points

If Tomlin/Arians/Haley sneezed and didnt say excuse me you guys would complain. I blame the players, the ones on the field. Bellicheat makes Brady good? if thats the case then what happened with Bledsoe? What happened in Cleveland? If Caldwell/Dungy made Peyton Manning then what happened when Peyton was hurt? What happened in Tampa? Sorry Phil Jackson didnt make Jordan, it was the other way around. Coaches put players in position to be successful but its those players who execute at a high level that make a difference. This isnt High School or College.

Sugar
10-17-2012, 09:12 PM
I'm looking forward to having Deebo and Woodley on the field at the same time. GET THE GINGER!!!!:tt2