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lloydroid
10-15-2012, 05:36 PM
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2769215-85/2-3-steelers-season-game-start-team-1970-6-10-games-nfl#axzz29O4tKbuv

Yea, I would too if I was a big part of the problem. "Hey bros, let's not point fingers at the problem; never mind that I am a huge part of that problem."


“We’ve got to be more efficient in different areas,” left guard Willie Colon said. “The main thing is we’ve got to stay together as a team. We can’t point fingers. We can’t get into who’s at fault. We’ve got to flat-out do better. Somehow, somewhere, we’ve got to pick it up.

Yea, starting with you, you overweight, can't-block, penalty flag machine.

Pgh has lost to an under .500 Denver, and then to two of the very worst teams in the entire NFL. At this point, I think Cleveland is better than Pgh, as of right now.

Oviedo
10-15-2012, 05:39 PM
You can dislike Colon all you want but he does say the right things and seems like a good team first guy.

lloydroid
10-15-2012, 05:49 PM
You can dislike Colon all you want but he does say the right things and seems like a good team first guy.

Well, that being said, I wish he'd start PLAYING better than he speaks to the press. He is highly overpaid, overrated, sloppy, too fat, part of the PROBLEM. He must have nude pics of Art 2 or something; I see NO REASON why the team so overpays and overrates this waste. They have always overstated his talent and value. It is beyond obvious.

eniparadoxgma
10-15-2012, 05:53 PM
Thread title seems misleading to me. He says they can't point fingers. He isn't telling anyone to not point fingers, which is how it sounds. Then again, I'm half asleep so I may just be out on my own limb here.

Eddie Spaghetti
10-15-2012, 05:56 PM
You can dislike Colon all you want but he does say the right things and seems like a good team first guy.

you can say the exact same thing about Ramon Foster.

hawaiiansteel
10-15-2012, 06:01 PM
you can say the exact same thing about Ramon Foster.

true, and Foster makes a lot less $ and gets jerked around way more yet you never hear a negative word.

DukieBoy
10-15-2012, 06:06 PM
Thread title seems misleading to me. He says they can't point fingers. He isn't telling anyone to not point fingers, which is how it sounds. Then again, I'm half asleep so I may just be out on my own limb here.

You sleep on a limb? ;);):Beer

Colon grabs them and holds on.

Eddie Spaghetti
10-15-2012, 06:31 PM
true, and Foster makes a lot less $ and gets jerked around way more yet you never hear a negative word.

agreed.

he out performed kemo all last season and still caught hell on here. He will never be a pro-bowler but he is better than some give him credit for. Plus he is a tough kid. I remember several times where he got dinged up and still came back in and finished. Very underappreciated guy on the OL.

lloydroid
10-15-2012, 06:57 PM
Thread title seems misleading to me. He says they can't point fingers. He isn't telling anyone to not point fingers, which is how it sounds. Then again, I'm half asleep so I may just be out on my own limb here.

He said they need to not point fingers, and my point is that one of the guys most DESERVING of having fingers pointed to him doesn't want anyone pointing fingers, that's all. It is like when Kordell said, after he played horrible, "This is a team game" but after he played "OK" and they lost, he'd say, "I played pretty well."

lloydroid
10-15-2012, 07:01 PM
agreed.

he out performed kemo all last season and still caught hell on here. He will never be a pro-bowler but he is better than some give him credit for. Plus he is a tough kid. I remember several times where he got dinged up and still came back in and finished. Very underappreciated guy on the OL.

Foster gets paid way less, and has been a good trooper his career. He will never be a top shelf OG, but at least he is serviceable without costing a fortune, and, I haven't checked, but I bet he gets less flags thrown on his play. Colon is getting paid like a top 10% lineman, and not even coming close to playing like one. Don't point fingers, indeed.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-15-2012, 07:03 PM
At least he didn't say, "Idiot Kicker", that would have just been beyond the bounds of decency ;-)

hawaiiansteel
10-19-2012, 01:52 PM
Cook: Leadership fine; talent level not so fine

Friday, October 19, 2012
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A lack of locker-room leadership is not the problem.

"We've got good leaders on this team," Steelers running back Isaac Redman was saying the other day.

A handful comes to mind. Larry Foote. Brett Keisel. Ben Roethlisberger. Maurkice Pouncey. Heath Miller.

"The guys in this room have to get it done," Foote said. "James Farrior is gone. He's not coming back to save us. Aaron Smith, he's not coming back ...

"I'm kind of excited about the challenge. What are we going to do? I want to see how these guys respond. I want to see how I respond. I'm not a betting man, but I think we're going to respond the right way."

Foote made a prediction, the loss a week earlier in Tennessee to a bad Titans team still fresh in his mind.

"Ten games from now, we won't remember that this ever happened. We'll be laughing about it. Our goals are still reachable."

What?

You expected Foote and the others to say the season is over after a 2-3 start?

Even though the team has been hit hard by injuries, the latest to Roethlisberger, who left practice Thursday with an ankle problem but said later he was fine?

"We're down, but we're not out," offensive tackle Max Starks said.

"The easy thing to do now is to start pointing fingers," guard Willie Colon said. "I've never been on a team that did that. That's what losers do. We're not losers in here."

The Steelers' record says otherwise. They are 0-3 on the road. Each of their losses was to an AFC opponent, which could be a factor in December when they start talking about tiebreakers and the playoff field.

There is some good news. Nearly all of the rest of the AFC is just as mediocre. The Baltimore Ravens are 5-1 but also are dealing with major injuries. The Houston Texans are 5-1 but just got whacked at home by the Green Bay Packers and will be without injured star linebacker Brian Cushing the rest of the season. No other team in the conference is better than 3-3.

The Steelers still have their six AFC North Division games remaining, starting with one in Cincinnati Sunday night against the Bengals. Win all six and maybe Foote is right, that the team will be singing a much different song on New Year's Eve. "We'll be having a party," he said.

It sounds wonderful.

But is it likely?

How can anyone say yes at the moment?

"We don't look like a championship team -- right now," Foote acknowledged.

Please note:

The man emphasized "right now."

The veterans aren't playing well -- haven't played well all season -- especially on defense. Have you noticed Keisel or Casey Hampton making plays? You have noticed Ike Taylor but for all the wrong reasons. He has been beaten. He has been penalized. He has been awful. He's been awful since DeMaryius Thomas beat him for the 80-yard touchdown pass in overtime in Denver in January in the playoffs.

Sorry, Ike.

I know how sensitive you are.

The younger players haven't stepped up, especially on defense. Lawrence Timmons is coming, intercepting a pass against the Titans and playing a strong game Oct. 7 against the Philadelphia Eagles. So is Jason Worilds, who had a sack in each of the past two games. Keenan Lewis also played well against the Titans, although he dropped what should have been a game-clinching interception in the fourth quarter. But what about Ziggy Hood? Where has he been all season? Apparently, Cam Heyward and Steve McLendon are so bad in practice that they can't get on the field for more than a few plays in games. And what of Ryan Mundy? He lost his starting job to special-teamer Will Allen before the Tennessee game. How bad is that?

It's no wonder the defense has blown fourth-quarter leads in four of the five games.

"We're not executing," Foote said. "We're not strong mentally."

The injuries have been brutal. Troy Polamalu and Marcus Gilbert could be out for weeks. Rashard Mendenhall and Isaac Redman didn't practice again Thursday and have to be considered long shots to play against the Bengals. Pouncey practiced on a limited basis Thursday and is questionable for Sunday. Things can change so quickly in the NFL. It's hard to believe that everyone on the 53-man roster was healthy and practiced the week before the Philadelphia game.

"It's like coach [Mike] Tomlin said, 'You have to smile in the face of adversity and fight back,' " Redman said. "This team will do that.

"I don't really have the answer for how to fix what's wrong. All I know is working harder never hurt. This team will do that. We're going to bounce back. The leaders on this team will make sure of that."

There's that leaders thing again. The Steelers have plenty of good leaders. What they are lacking is good players. Healthy players ...

At this point, it's hard to think they'll be one of the teams to rise above the AFC mess.

http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/12293/1270294-87.stm#ixzz29lES0vJA

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-19-2012, 02:26 PM
you can say the exact same thing about Ramon Foster.

I've always been okay with Foster. He is a UDFA, backup, low paid kind of guy who steps in when asked and sits down when asked. Certainly nothing to worship but the type of player that binds a team and is needed in order to be a long term winner.

winwithd
10-20-2012, 01:09 PM
I think if we are looking for money to cut next year to sign players and get under the cap that Colon has to be one of the first options unless his play improves by the end of the year. Keep Foster and DeCastro and Legs as a backup. Although with our injury history we might need more than that. Maybe til then Beachum will be an option.

With Hampton's play and age I would have said he would be next in line but I haven't seen McLendon step up and Ta'amu looks like a bust. I'm hoping Spence can step in for Foote next year and Van Dyke for Ike, if in fact it is the case that age is catching up to him. I was thinking Ike's last contract was for 2 years meaning this would be his last anyway.

Anyone know of a link to players' contract statuses so I could see who we have, for how much, and for how long?

pittpete
10-20-2012, 02:16 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/651/player (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/651/player)
type in players name then highlight view contract details
7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $28 million contract. The deal included a $7.25 million signing bonus and a $750,000 first-year roster bonus.
2012: $825,000 (+ $4.925 million "signing" bonus),
2013: $6 million,
2014: $7 million,
2015: Free Agent
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/09/steelers-2012-salary-cap-total-players-under-contract/ for whos under contract for 2012

winwithd
10-20-2012, 04:06 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/651/player (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/651/player)
type in players name then highlight view contract details
7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $28 million contract. The deal included a $7.25 million signing bonus and a $750,000 first-year roster bonus.
2012: $825,000 (+ $4.925 million "signing" bonus),
2013: $6 million,
2014: $7 million,
2015: Free Agent
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/09/steelers-2012-salary-cap-total-players-under-contract/ for whos under contract for 2012

Soooo awesome! Thanks! I see we are still paying 2.8M (dead $$) for Kemo. Hopefully this is the last year we have to pay him anything.