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flippy
10-14-2012, 07:36 PM
It's so obvious, even Cowher can say it on today's pregame without feeling like he threw the guy under the bus. Behind his words, I think he was sending Tomlin the bench him signal.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 08:58 PM
Only if D Lebeau and Tomlin gets the message. But I promise you will see Ike the rest of the year.

Eddie Spaghetti
10-14-2012, 09:00 PM
Only if DLebeau and Tomlin gets the message. But I promise you will see Ike the rest of the year.

is this really necessary?

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-14-2012, 09:04 PM
is this really necessary?

I agree, thanks Eddie.

stopplayn
10-14-2012, 09:05 PM
Bench Ike? Yeah, Cowher did that too and Deshae Townsend got eaten alive.

phillyesq
10-14-2012, 09:06 PM
is this really necessary?

Not only is it offensive, it's inaccurate. Ike has been benched at least once (I think by Cowher) if not twice. I'm pretty sure that DL was the coordinator at the time.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 09:16 PM
I'm sorry , that was over the line. I am just mad as H#ll at the moment.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 09:19 PM
I hate to see a problem, that the whole world see. But the D coordinator and head coach sit back and ignore..
Not only is it IKe it's also Hampton, Foote, Kielsel and Colon. But they will continue to trot the same bums on the field hoping a miracle happen.

pfelix73
10-14-2012, 09:59 PM
I hate to see a problem, that the whole world see. But the D coordinator and head coach sit back and ignore..
Not only is it IKe it's also Hampton, Foote, Kielsel and Colon. But they will continue to trot the same bums on the field hoping a miracle happen.

The whole world? So, just what is it that you would do differently? This I gotta read.... You would bench all the players and you would play whom in their place???? Some of you just crack me up...

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 11:01 PM
The whole world? So, just what is it that you would do differently? This I gotta read.... You would bench all the players and you would play whom in their place???? Some of you just crack me up...Do some of you guys even watch the games. I record and replay EVERY GAME. When Mclendon is in there, the average rush yds is 2yds per carry then it jumps to 4+ with Hampton. Along with more pressure to the QB. Kiesel get pushed all down the field , more less than Hayward. Ike is self explanatory, he has been toasted constantly and when he's not he is holding or interfering . So what value is he. I can understand Foote being the starter BUT why is he even in the game in obvious passing downs.
This stuff is not made up by me. I follow all informative web sites (some banned on here ) and they break these things down.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 11:04 PM
Also a guard who lead the league in penalties and suspect in pass pro, Those players are doing more harm than good.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 11:05 PM
Now you tell me why they should be starting ?

DBR96A
10-14-2012, 11:06 PM
Ike Taylor has lost his **** since last season. How many times was he flagged for pass interference the other night, four? Maybe he can interfere with A.J. Green five times next Sunday night. He's playing himself out of a job in Pittsburgh, because there's no way the Steelers will pay him $9M next year if he keeps playing like this.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 11:11 PM
Ike Taylor has lost his **** since last season. How many times was he flagged for pass interference the other night, four? Maybe he can interfere with A.J. Green five times next Sunday night. He's playing himself out of a job in Pittsburgh, because there's no way the Steelers will pay him $9M next year if he keeps playing like this.Some of these posters argue just to argue, without looking at the facts or the games just to back what the Steelers do. But these starters are the worst i have seen in 20 yrs, and i Have watched every game for that long.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 11:13 PM
Between Ike and Colon, they have close to 15 penalties between the two. So how is that helping the team?

hawaiiansteel
10-14-2012, 11:23 PM
Now you tell me why they should be starting?

because they are better than the guys behind them on the depth chart?

please give us who you think should be the starting 11 on defense and offense...

DukieBoy
10-14-2012, 11:29 PM
There is no great solution in the wings, is there. I would like to see the young ones start to get more PT, get more in the mix, and get the experience. The pattern of losing is obviously bad, and if it continues then at some point, to get any value out of the season, the old guys could sit and the young ones could get valuable preparation for the season ahead.

Steelhere10
10-14-2012, 11:32 PM
Either Brown or Allen for Ike , McClendon for Hampton and Hayward for Kiesel. That would be a start. There may not be a solution for Colon as of now.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-14-2012, 11:34 PM
I think these opinions are approaching convergence: we are hosed if the ike/colon/mundy type players have to be on the field because they are better than anyone else we've got.

Would Cowher bench Ike just to see if he's wrong about the next man up? What did he say on TV - did he mention who he'd play?

skyhawk
10-15-2012, 12:11 AM
Yeah, Cowher is the word. Whatever. This is the guy who played Chad Scott for years.

hawaiiansteel
10-15-2012, 01:37 AM
Yeah, Cowher is the word. Whatever. This is the guy who played Chad Scott for years.

and won ONE Super Bowl in 15 seasons, a total already matched by Tomlin.

Slapstick
10-15-2012, 06:20 AM
I'm not for benching players willy-nilly, but there is a point to be made here...

Now, there may not be much gained by benching players like Colon or Foote...depth behind them is thin (as with NT now)...

But, as poorly as Ike is playing overall at this time, can the guy behind him be that much worse?

Right now, if the opponent isn't completing a long pass on Ike, it's because Ike interfered and got flagged for it...

Does benching a player send a message to the rest of the team to wake the F up?

Last time Ike was benched, he played his way back into the starting lineup and finished off the season with better play, did he not?

Something to think about...

Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 08:15 AM
McLendon should start over Hampton and Heyward for Keisel. Start two young CB's. Move Ike to FS and Clark to SS.

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 08:29 AM
Yeah, Cowher is the word. Whatever. This is the guy who played Chad Scott for years.

Yep and Deion Figures and KORDELL. UGH

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 08:31 AM
Ike Taylor is on the other teams BEST receiver every week. So OF COURSE he will get more "spotlight" plays. You guys focus on the penalties but what about the other 40 plays where he holds his own? Ike is top 10 Corner IN THE NFL. Bench him for someone that IS WORSE than him. YEAH THATS SMART

Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 08:40 AM
Yeah, he holds his own 40 plays out of the game where they run it or throw to the other receivers. Good call. Top 10 = joke.

Shawn
10-15-2012, 08:42 AM
Yeah, Cowher is the word. Whatever. This is the guy who played Chad Scott for years.

Exactly...started Charred Scott and DeShame Washington. I don't wanna hear it. As mad as people are at Taylor right now...I'm not convinced this is anymore than a slump. I guess time will tell.

Shawn
10-15-2012, 08:43 AM
McLendon should start over Hampton and Heyward for Keisel. Start two young CB's. Move Ike to FS and Clark to SS.

This is actually a decent idea. The only problem is that FS is an entirely new position. If that move was going to be made...should have been made in the preseason. And there is no way Ike would have been willing to make that move...at that time.

Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 08:46 AM
This is actually a decent idea. The only problem is that FS is an entirely new position. If that move was going to be made...should have been made in the preseason. And there is no way Ike would have been willing to make that move...at that time.

Ike has been around this D for a decade. He should know the responsibility of the FS.

feltdizz
10-15-2012, 08:50 AM
Ike Taylor is on the other teams BEST receiver every week. So OF COURSE he will get more "spotlight" plays. You guys focus on the penalties but what about the other 40 plays where he holds his own? Ike is top 10 Corner IN THE NFL. Bench him for someone that IS WORSE than him. YEAH THATS SMART

Ike needs to stop holding his own and start holding onto some footballs...

Not sure why people are acting like benching/reducing the playing time of some of these vets is a crazy idea. McClendon is clearly better than Hampton... start him. Keisel is on the backside of his career.... Heyward should get more time IMO.

Ike needs to sit down somewhere... the guy is playing horrible football right now. Take him out for a few series and see what the next guy up can do. We might be surprised... Ike gets way too much credit IMO. He isn't nearly as good as we make him out to be. The only time he looks good is when we sack the QB or hurry him into a bad throw. If the QB can step into his throw Ike is toast or getting a flag.

Shawn
10-15-2012, 10:15 AM
Ike has been around this D for a decade. He should know the responsibility of the FS.

I have been around medicine for years...doesn't mean you want me pulling out your appendix. Taylor would need more than head knowledge of the position....he would need preseason reps.

Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 10:38 AM
I have been around medicine for years...doesn't mean you want me pulling out your appendix. Taylor would need more than head knowledge of the position....he would need preseason reps.

Ike out there learning the FS position in practice and on the job would still be better than Ryan Mundy or Will Allen starting at SS. Clark knows SS, move him there, put Ike at FS and get it over with. Probably extends Ikes career another 3 or 4 years as well. He has the build for it.

virgilbosetti
10-15-2012, 10:43 AM
Ike Taylor is on the other teams BEST receiver every week. So OF COURSE he will get more "spotlight" plays. You guys focus on the penalties but what about the other 40 plays where he holds his own? Ike is top 10 Corner IN THE NFL. Bench him for someone that IS WORSE than him. YEAH THATS SMART
You need to roll em smaller or pass em more brother.

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 11:41 AM
I'll pass it to you. I say NO to drugs. Bench Ike for who? Put Ike at FS without playing there. IM SURE GLAD YOU NOVICES DONT COACH OUR TEAM

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 11:42 AM
Cowher started Kordell. Nuff said

Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 11:44 AM
I'll pass it to you. I say NO to drugs. Bench Ike for who? Put Ike at FS without playing there. IM SURE GLAD YOU NOVICES DONT COACH OUR TEAM

Our you posting from 5th grade on your iphone?

Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 11:45 AM
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Slapstick
10-15-2012, 12:08 PM
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Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 12:24 PM
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BradshawsHairdresser
10-15-2012, 12:30 PM
Not surprised that Cowher would point to Ike as being "the problem." After all, Ike was Cowher's whipping boy when Cowher coached the Steelers. Not that I'm defending Ike's putrid play...I've called for him to be sat on the bench. But as for Ike being "the problem" with this defense? He's but one of many. You could replace Ike with a healthy Darrell Revis this Sunday, and the Steelers' pass D would still be struggling, because we can't get pressure on the QB.

Mister Pittsburgh
10-15-2012, 12:43 PM
Through five games Ike has been targeted 44 times, allowing 24 receptions for 392 yards and four touchdowns while being called for seven penalties. So 31 of 44 attempts his way have been a positive result for the offense. Yep, lets keep starting him and as someone said he is a top CB in the league :rolleyes:

virgilbosetti
10-15-2012, 12:55 PM
I'll pass it to you. I say NO to drugs. Bench Ike for who? Put Ike at FS without playing there. IM SURE GLAD YOU NOVICES DONT COACH OUR TEAM

Touting his non negative production means nothing. It's like saying I drove my car 44 times and only crashed 8 times. I never said bench him but it's helped him before.....and I never said play him at FS. Been an Ike supporter for years but he looks absolutely terrible. Nothing could be worse than his current play.

Shawn
10-15-2012, 12:59 PM
I like the idea of putting a fire under his butt. Let him know his job isnt secure...and Allen is ready to step up with one more bad game. See if it helps.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-15-2012, 01:10 PM
NOW is the time to bench him. We are likely to lose to any team we play from here on in that has a QB.

The Yanks can bench A-Rod in the 5th and deciding game of the championship - not because of injury but because he was sucking the big wazoo at the bat. Bold move, but the right one to make,whether it turns out well or not (it did). Who did they start in his place - some nobody ... but a nobody was thought better than A-Rod.

WHY can't our coaches make a similar decision? Is it just not done in the NFL? On the Steelers? On the Steelers defense?

Give the 2nd string a shot - THE WORST that could happen is that we lose the game because of it ... but that's where we are now anyway, so why not shoot for any option with at least a little upside?

Oviedo
10-15-2012, 01:45 PM
Not surprised that Cowher would point to Ike as being "the problem." After all, Ike was Cowher's whipping boy when Cowher coached the Steelers. Not that I'm defending Ike's putrid play...I've called for him to be sat on the bench. But as for Ike being "the problem" with this defense? He's but one of many. You could replace Ike with a healthy Darrell Revis this Sunday, and the Steelers' pass D would still be struggling, because we can't get pressure on the QB.


How about Cowher worry about things that he can control like what color tie he wears on Sunday. IMO Cowher should keep his comments to himself. It's not like his time with the team was highlighted by great personnel decisions on his part.

steelz09
10-15-2012, 05:39 PM
Yeah, Cowher is the word. Whatever. This is the guy who played Chad Scott for years.


True. But this is also the guy that built a great defensive team for years. All of these players that we are missing (A. Smith, Farrior) or are old (Foote, Polamalu, Clark, Hampton, Keisel, Ike, Harrison) are all Cowher's guys. What I want to know is why haven't we drafted and/or developed quality talent in all of these years on the defensive side of the ball.

virgilbosetti
10-15-2012, 05:44 PM
Stick around. I'm sure that's cowher's fault some how as well.

hawaiiansteel
10-15-2012, 05:58 PM
Ike is top 10 Corner IN THE NFL.

no he's not...

NorthCoast
10-15-2012, 09:27 PM
The whole world? So, just what is it that you would do differently? This I gotta read.... You would bench all the players and you would play whom in their place???? Some of you just crack me up...

I agree. These fans growing up on Madden and fantasy ball swap out players like they are cellphone skins. No way can you build a consistent franchise. Who is Ike's replacement that go one-on-one with the other team's #1? Are the Steelers just hiding this guy on the roster?

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 10:12 PM
Through five games Ike has been targeted 44 times, allowing 24 receptions for 392 yards and four touchdowns while being called for seven penalties. So 31 of 44 attempts his way have been a positive result for the offense. Yep, lets keep starting him and as someone said he is a top CB in the league :rolleyes:



This is a useless stat. It would be telling IF the Steelers ran Man to man. We run ZONE. In a zone COVERAGE dictates WHO gets the ball not the open guy. If its cover 2 then you target the seams, in Cover 3 you target the corners etc. So if Ike is in the area, then he was targeted. LOL HILLARIOUS

The Broncos run zone blocking scheme on the offensive line. So its hard to gauge who gave up the sack for that reason. Again. useless stat for our team

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 10:15 PM
True. But this is also the guy that built a great defensive team for years. All of these players that we are missing (A. Smith, Farrior) or are old (Foote, Polamalu, Clark, Hampton, Keisel, Ike, Harrison) are all Cowher's guys. What I want to know is why haven't we drafted and/or developed quality talent in all of these years on the defensive side of the ball.

Actually, Capers and Lebeau built those teams. A. Smith and Farrior were good because they were STEELERS. Put them elsewhere and they are nobodies. What did farrior do for the Jets? Exactly. You mean they are COLBERTS guys. Cowher didnt want Ben and Colbert and the Rooneys DID. Cowher had less power than you think and thats why he quit (He quit BEFORE his wife was diagnosed)

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 10:16 PM
no he's not...

Name 10 Corners better........... I'll wait

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 10:16 PM
i agree. These fans growing up on madden and fantasy ball swap out players like they are cellphone skins. No way can you build a consistent franchise. Who is ike's replacement that go one-on-one with the other team's #1? Are the steelers just hiding this guy on the roster?

ding ding ding ding

stopplayn
10-15-2012, 10:19 PM
Our you posting from 5th grade on your iphone?

Our (Are) you?

hawaiiansteel
10-16-2012, 02:12 AM
Name 10 Corners better........... I'll wait


by any chance, were you able to catch last season's playoff loss to the great Tim Tebow and/or this past game against future Hall of Famer Matt Hasselbeck?

or were you too busy focusing in on why Ben is not an elite QB to notice how poorly Ike played?

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 02:37 AM
Ike got beat. ALL corners get beat. Doesnt erase the fact that Ike Taylor runs a 4.2 40. Has a 40 inch verticle. He is a freak of an athlete. I still want to see the 10 corners better than him. And as you can see by this footage, WE PLAY A ZONE, so stop acting like Ike is getting beat one on one. Blame the scheme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iB99buS9IQ&feature=related

virgilbosetti
10-16-2012, 09:46 AM
Blame the scheme. Really. Zone coverages do not relieve individual responsibiliy within the zone...especially for corners. Teams can and will flood areas of zone coverages to create mismatches of time and space. That's not happening. At least not regularly to Ike. Again......been a fan of Ike's for years. His current play can't be defended. Can't be.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-16-2012, 11:06 AM
Maybe instead of benching Ike the idea should be that if his job is tougher than the others to give him more help. Do we really think that Lewis is the man to line up opposite the best WR on the other team? Play a system with 3 CBs and 1 S while Troy is still out - that gets Mundy off the field and we still have a chance to see what either Allen or Brown can do.

Oviedo
10-16-2012, 11:26 AM
Maybe instead of benching Ike the idea should be that if his job is tougher than the others to give him more help. Do we really think that Lewis is the man to line up opposite the best WR on the other team? Play a system with 3 CBs and 1 S while Troy is still out - that gets Mundy off the field and we still have a chance to see what either Allen or Brown can do.

Sorry...not part of the defensive template:rolleyes:

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 12:04 PM
Blame the scheme. Really. Zone coverages do not relieve individual responsibiliy within the zone...especially for corners. Teams can and will flood areas of zone coverages to create mismatches of time and space. That's not happening. At least not regularly to Ike. Again......been a fan of Ike's for years. His current play can't be defended. Can't be.

Most people are citing ONE ON ONE beatings from Ike. We dont play one on one. The ZONE is getting beat not ONE individual. If you play a zone you play an AREA not a man. Learn football

phillyesq
10-16-2012, 12:13 PM
Sorry...not part of the defensive template:rolleyes:

There is probably a reason that all of the teams in the NFL put 2 safeties on the field in their base defense. I guess the rest of the league is similarly saddled with coordinators who are too stubborn to change from their system.

virgilbosetti
10-16-2012, 12:47 PM
Learn football? From your encyclopedia? No thanks Google boy. Go back and read my post again, and this time don't try a redirect. No more smoke and mirrors act to cloud the issue, or reference something someone else said to deflect the fact that you got served....again.

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 12:57 PM
Translation: I couldnt refute your post so I made up a bunch of cute saying and borrowed metaphors. Can you say plagiarism? Soliloquy expert. I'm impressed. Clap Clap Clap

Oviedo
10-16-2012, 01:10 PM
There is probably a reason that all of the teams in the NFL put 2 safeties on the field in their base defense. I guess the rest of the league is similarly saddled with coordinators who are too stubborn to change from their system.


Ask Castillo from Philly? Ooops, he just got fired!

Wasn't it just yesterday he said he wasn't changing and something about it being about execution? Where have we heard that?:rolleyes:

virgilbosetti
10-16-2012, 02:23 PM
Translation: I couldnt refute your post so I made up a bunch of cute saying and borrowed metaphors. Can you say plagiarism? Soliloquy expert. I'm impressed. Clap Clap Clap
Refute what? You say blame schematics and that it's not Ike's fault. You couldn't be more wrong and I prooved it by explaining the individual responsibilities of a zone. He's been toasted lately and its got nothing to do with the scheme. Dont redirect....Prove me wrong.

hawaiiansteel
10-16-2012, 03:23 PM
Ike Taylor is on the other teams BEST receiver every week. So OF COURSE he will get more "spotlight" plays.

but, but...

I thought Ike played zone and not man to man?

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-16-2012, 04:07 PM
but, but...

I thought Ike played zone and not man to man?

DAHN, Dahn, Dahn!!!!

eniparadoxgma
10-16-2012, 04:09 PM
but, but...

I thought Ike played zone and not man to man?

:lol::lol::lol: As much as I know stop (which banned poster is he anyway? 43?) will just find some trapdoor to escape actually dealing with the issue that there is hilarious.

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 05:10 PM
but, but...

I thought Ike played zone and not man to man?

He does play zone as the footage I supplied proves. IF you knew football you would understand a LC is on the STRONG SIDE (So is the best wr most of the time) and a RC is on the weak side. Same as the Sam and Willie Backer as well as the SS/FS

So Ike goes to the side of the best wr but still in a zone.

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 05:12 PM
Refute what? You say blame schematics and that it's not Ike's fault. You couldn't be more wrong and I prooved it by explaining the individual responsibilities of a zone. He's been toasted lately and its got nothing to do with the scheme. Dont redirect....Prove me wrong.

You cant comprehend the responsibilities in a zone and that is your problem. With all due respect

hawaiiansteel
10-16-2012, 05:14 PM
IF you knew football

please don't insult me like this again, I know and understand football just as well as you do.

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 05:26 PM
No disrespect meant. I posted and have posted over and over again that we play zone. I even supplied footage to that fact. Having said that, and shown that, it should be obvious that he shadows the best receiver on the other team within the confines of our defense.

hawaiiansteel
10-16-2012, 05:34 PM
No disrespect meant.

then don't write disrespectful things like "if you knew football"....

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 05:39 PM
Again, NO disrespect meant by me. If you took it that way then I cant do anything about that. I merely explained things on my end. Its clear that I have stated over and over that Ike plays zone and it hurts him (scheme). Revis would also be handcuffed in that scheme. Asante Samuel would excell as stated before

virgilbosetti
10-16-2012, 05:42 PM
You cant comprehend the responsibilities in a zone and that is your problem. With all due respect

Clearly I explained the responsibilities to you. Don't redirect. Prove me wrong.

Here is what I said:

"Zone coverages do not relieve individual responsibiliy within the zone...especially for corners. Teams can and will flood areas of zone coverages to create mismatches of time and space. That's not happening. At least not regularly to Ike. Again......been a fan of Ike's for years. His current play can't be defended. Can't be."

We can trade useless diatribe all day....all night. Just like you do with every other person here. What's the point. Try something different. Again...don't redirect. Stick to my quote and prove me wrong. I'm truly interested as to where I'm mistaken. Let's have a football discussion.....let's hear it.

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 09:25 PM
You mean CLEARLY I explained them to you. You're wrong. NO INDIVIDUAL gets beat in a zone unless his is out of position. If you are in a zone the zone gets beat not the man. How is this too hard for you to grasp. Does it destroy your ability to blame Ike? Sorry. Ike isnt the best but he certainly isnt the worse. Put Ben Roethlisberger in a wishbone and make him run the option and you wont see him having much success due to the SCHEME. Simarily, Troy Aikman when he was at Oklahoma. He got beat out by Jamel Holloway. Why? The SCHEME suited Holloway better than Aikman. Aikman transfer to UCLA to a SCHEME that best suits his skill set and now he is the #1 pick.

This is just one example how a particular scheme hurts a player. Lastly, the Jets current SCHEME doesnt fit Tebow either. To best suit him you need to change the SCHEME. Understand?

virgilbosetti
10-16-2012, 09:43 PM
Yes, I understand....that you don't know what a zone really is, or you just can't admit when you are wrong. A defensive zone to a CB actually helps him. A zone is designed schematically to aid a CB if he's mismatched. Ike, being the #1 CB usually has more of an individual responsiblity, within the zone, than the other CB's. A responsibility he's earned. If a potential WR leaves his coverage ara, then he isn't responsible for that player.

Bottome line is that a CB CAN and WILL still get stuck in a man to man situation with a WR that enters his area. This isn't a debatable point. Regarding certain routes, there are simply times when the safety isn't going to be there to help. Again....Ike has earned this, and even if it's by error he has done well over the years handling this duty. Lately....he has not, and Thursday he looked horrible.

Again....nice try with the redirect. They don't work out for you like you think.

stopplayn
10-16-2012, 09:54 PM
Incorrect a zone is used to aid someone who LACKS man to man coverage. You play zone to hide flaws. Ike doesnt have more responsibility (i.e covers a man). The only one in the zone allowed any freelance ability is #43. In a zone you are taught to play the ball and not the man. Particularly in Lebeaus scheme you are taught to keep the ball in front of you. Just becaue the saftey might not be there to help doesnt mean its man. For examle, In a cover 3 the corner has deep third responsibility, the FS will have deep middle and the other corner the other third (deep). The SS is up in Run support. The corners responsibility in this zone is not to get beat deep (his 3rd). If the pass is a 15 yard out, is Ike Beat on the play? No! the zone is

virgilbosetti
10-16-2012, 10:20 PM
Never said ike freelances and never said it was man coverage. A #1 CB is going to have more situations where he has no help within a zone on certain routes...like several Thursday night. He did poorly where he has done very well before. I think that's the point you are missing.

I think you are involved in so many discussion/arguments you lose track of the details.

virgilbosetti
10-16-2012, 10:33 PM
Come up with any situation you want. If a potential receiver comes in Ike's coverage area and Ike grabs his shoulder pads and hangs on for dear life?.....then yes! It's his fault!

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 12:17 AM
So its better IF Ike gets beat for a TD? I think the PI is a good move if you are defeated on a play. You live to fight another down. Never said Ike was great. I just said our scheme hurts him and that there arent 10 corners better than him. At press time no one has named 10 better. Hmmmm

hawaiiansteel
10-17-2012, 12:26 AM
Never said Ike was great. I just said our scheme hurts him and that there arent 10 corners better than him.

you definitely said Ike was great when you said he is a Top-10 CB.

so let's see your list of Top-10 CBs since you said Ike was in it and I'll gladly tell you who should be ranked ahead of Ike. the way Ike has been playing his last six games that will be a relatively easy thing to do.

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 12:28 AM
Once again, the failed list of 10 better. Mere assertions arent proof

hawaiiansteel
10-17-2012, 12:35 AM
Once again, the failed list of 10 better. Mere assertions arent proof


Ike has played so poorly his last six games that I can easily think of 15 CBs better than Ike right now but what would be the point of doing that when you would just say "oh no, he's not beter and neither is he..."

since you were the one who said Ike is a Top-10 CB, let's see your list. like I said, I'll be more than happy to correct you afterwards...

you did see the Denver playoff loss and this past game against Tennessee, didn't you?

virgilbosetti
10-17-2012, 07:16 AM
So we can change Ike's name to Cape Taylor? I just think the guy is better than he played Thursday night. I don't feel he's top 10 anymore, but I once did.

Cape?...if you are reading this. Make a believer out of me this week. I want to believe again!

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 07:28 AM
Funny how they deny that he is top 10 but then ASK ME to name 10 corners that Ike is better than. IMAGINE THAT....... My case has been proven.

BradshawsHairdresser
10-17-2012, 08:37 AM
10 corners better than Ike Taylor:
Darrell Revis
Charles Woodson
Champ Bailey
Joe Haden
Nmandi Asomugha
Jonathan Joseph
Patrick Peterson
Dunta Robinson
Brent Grimes
Ladarius Webb
Carlos Rogers

feltdizz
10-17-2012, 08:47 AM
Funny how they deny that he is top 10 but then ASK ME to name 10 corners that Ike is better than. IMAGINE THAT....... My case has been proven.

put out a list or zip it...

SanAntonioSteelerFan
10-17-2012, 08:56 AM
I would be very very surprised if there weren't 10 corners whose "torch percentage" wasn't lower than Ike's dating back to the Denver game (actually, didn't we see glimpses of the "New and (NOT) Improved Ike" even before the Denver game?). But I don't have the time or inclination to find those stats, if they exist, so I will summarize with the following opinion:

Ike should be benched immediately, and stay there, until/unless he shows that he is BETTER than his replacement.

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 01:22 PM
Ike IS better than his replacement and thats why he is the starter. Your solution is to put in Charlie Batch over Ben after 2-4 bad games. Really??

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 01:25 PM
10 corners better than Ike Taylor:
Darrell Revis
Charles Woodson
Champ Bailey
Joe Haden
Nmandi Asomugha
Jonathan Joseph
Patrick Peterson
Dunta Robinson
Brent Grimes
Ladarius Webb
Carlos Rogers

Based on what? How much have you seen the other corners? Do watch them while the Steelers are playing? Please provide some game highlights that set them above Ike. Anyone can list a list of guys but can you provide some substance behind your claims?

Ike Taylor is a STARTER for EVERY NFL Team except the NY. Jets. THAT proves my point that he is top 10. I rest my case UNLESS someone can tell me a team OTHER than the Jets that he doesnt start on

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 01:33 PM
Lastly, I'm not a Ike fan but he is BY FAR our best corner and to bench him in favor of someone of lesser talent is just not a good football move its an emotional one

hawaiiansteel
10-17-2012, 01:59 PM
Ike Taylor is a STARTER for EVERY NFL Team except the NY. Jets. THAT proves my point that he is top 10. I rest my case UNLESS someone can tell me a team OTHER than the Jets that he doesnt start on

again, you are incorrect.

there are TWO starting CBs on every NFL team the last time I checked. Ike could be a starter for every team except the Jets and still only be the 30th best CB in the league.

I personally think he's Top-20, but certainly not Top-10.

Oviedo
10-17-2012, 02:35 PM
again, you are incorrect.

there are TWO starting CBs on every NFL team the last time I checked. Ike could be a starter for every team except the Jets and still only be the 30th best CB in the league.

I personally think he's Top-20, but certainly not Top-10.


I agree that he is not Top 10 but with all the experience he gets using his hands he may be able to retire and go to the top of the Mixed Martial Arts rankings.

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 02:43 PM
again, you are incorrect.

there are TWO starting CBs on every NFL team the last time I checked. Ike could be a starter for every team except the Jets and still only be the 30th best CB in the league.

I personally think he's Top-20, but certainly not Top-10.

Actually YOU are incorrect. Some teams (especially in this NFL) there are three corners as some teams (Pack) use a base Nickel. In that case there are THREE corners. Ravens also did this when an aging Prime Time was on their team. Having the ability to start for THIRTY ONE NFL teams is not easy and a helluva accomplishment. So if those other 10-30 corners are better then what are you basing this on?

Do you have any in game instances you can site to strengthen your case? What did they do to make them better? Game examples? Career refrences of WHO thest Corners have locked up etc.

Assertions are not proof

feltdizz
10-17-2012, 03:04 PM
Based on what? How much have you seen the other corners? Do watch them while the Steelers are playing? Please provide some game highlights that set them above Ike. Anyone can list a list of guys but can you provide some substance behind your claims?

Ike Taylor is a STARTER for EVERY NFL Team except the NY. Jets. THAT proves my point that he is top 10. I rest my case UNLESS someone can tell me a team OTHER than the Jets that he doesnt start on

Not trying to be rude but you need to shut up. You aren't making any sense as at all.. you ask for a list and now you want highlights? What next, sound effects?

Ike isn't starting on half the teams in the NFL. He can run fast but he is horrible in coverage and THE WORST ball hawk in the NFL. He is top 25... he was top 10 when JH, Troy and Woodley were getting tons of pressure...

The NY Giants secondary goes from worst to top 10 when their front 4 are healthy.

Oviedo
10-17-2012, 04:26 PM
Not trying to be rude but you need to shut up. You aren't making any sense as at all.. you ask for a list and now you want highlights? What next, sound effects?

Ike isn't starting on half the teams in the NFL. He can run fast but he is horrible in coverage and THE WORST ball hawk in the NFL. He is top 25... he was top 10 when JH, Troy and Woodley were getting tons of pressure...

The NY Giants secondary goes from worst to top 10 when their front 4 are healthy.

Felt--you really should try "ignore." You just get a big white blank and don't have to deal with the insanity.

Eddie Spaghetti
10-17-2012, 05:34 PM
Felt--you really should try "ignore." You just get a big white blank and don't have to deal with the insanity.

I usually don't go this route, but there are several all lower case posters that joined in aug or sept of this year who have me re-thinking my policy. I usually just not respond to anything they say.

steelz09
10-17-2012, 05:40 PM
Come on guys.. you can't provide sound effects, highlights, etc to prove your case. lol

Grass is green. Prove it. The sky is blue. Prove it. The sun is bright. Prove it. Stats? Highlights? Sound Effects will do, please :)

hawaiiansteel
10-17-2012, 06:40 PM
Actually YOU are incorrect. Some teams (especially in this NFL) there are three corners as some teams (Pack) use a base Nickel. In that case there are THREE corners. Ravens also did this when an aging Prime Time was on their team. Having the ability to start for THIRTY ONE NFL teams is not easy and a helluva accomplishment. So if those other 10-30 corners are better then what are you basing this on?

Do you have any in game instances you can site to strengthen your case? What did they do to make them better? Game examples? Career refrences of WHO thest Corners have locked up etc.

Assertions are not proof

just like your assertion that Ike is a Top-10 CB is not proof of anything...

btw, have you had a chance to watch last year's playoff loss to Denver and this past game against Tennessee yet? if you watch those games and Ike's performance in particular that might help you to better understand why Ike is not a Top-10 CB.

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 07:06 PM
Not trying to be rude but you need to shut up. You aren't making any sense as at all.. you ask for a list and now you want highlights? What next, sound effects?

Ike isn't starting on half the teams in the NFL. He can run fast but he is horrible in coverage and THE WORST ball hawk in the NFL. He is top 25... he was top 10 when JH, Troy and Woodley were getting tons of pressure...

The NY Giants secondary goes from worst to top 10 when their front 4 are healthy.

Shut up? How rude. Why didnt I supply highlights? Isnt it only fair? Anyone could submit a list. I want to know WHY someone is better. If you cant supply that then be quiet. If he isnt starting on half the teams then list those teams and tell me why those cbs are better. Is that so hard?

Some of you debate just to debate and supply no substance to substantiate that debate. That wont fly with me so I get why you guys dont like me. Sniff Sniff

stopplayn
10-17-2012, 07:09 PM
just like your assertion that Ike is a Top-10 CB is not proof of anything...

btw, have you had a chance to watch last year's playoff loss to Denver and this past game against Tennessee yet? if you watch those games and Ike's performance in particular that might help you to better understand why Ike is not a Top-10 CB.

You quoted two games. I posted NINE YEARS of inept games for our quarterback. BY YOUR STANDARD we should bench Ben. I'm his harshest critic but not once have I EVER said "Bench Ben". So let me get this right. Ben can screw up in EVERY SUPER BOWL and 80% of every tough game (Vs an elite D) and he shouldnt have any penalties.

But Ike Taylor should. Yep. I get it WOW

hawaiiansteel
10-17-2012, 07:27 PM
You quoted two games. I posted NINE YEARS of inept games for our quarterback. BY YOUR STANDARD we should bench Ben. I'm his harshest critic but not once have I EVER said "Bench Ben". So let me get this right. Ben can screw up in EVERY SUPER BOWL and 80% of every tough game (Vs an elite D) and he shouldnt have any penalties.

But Ike Taylor should. Yep. I get it WOW

don't try to change the subject, I'm not talking about Ben.

I'm refuting your assertion that Ike is a Top-10 CB right now, and if you have watched his most recent games it is crystal clear that Ike is definitely not in that elite group.

how much would you like to bet that my opinion is shared by those that vote for the All-Pro and Pro Bowl teams? Ike isn't making any of those teams because his play lately has been below the line of a good CB, never mind that of a Top 10 CB.

BradshawsHairdresser
10-17-2012, 07:43 PM
Based on what? How much have you seen the other corners? Do watch them while the Steelers are playing? Please provide some game highlights that set them above Ike. Anyone can list a list of guys but can you provide some substance behind your claims?

Ike Taylor is a STARTER for EVERY NFL Team except the NY. Jets. THAT proves my point that he is top 10. I rest my case UNLESS someone can tell me a team OTHER than the Jets that he doesnt start on

That's all you've got???

Unbelievable.

YOU'RE the one who's stating Ike is top 10...I would say the burden is on YOU to give the characteristics and statistics--and game highlights, if you want--that show that, as he is currently performing, Ike is top 10. You can't do it.
BTW, I could turn your argument back on YOU...how much do YOU watch the other league corners? Please provide some game analysis--and video, if you would like--to prove your assertion that, as he's playing right now, Ike is a top 10 CB.

And even if he could start for every NFL team except the Jets, how does that prove he is top 10? You may want to do the math...there are 32 teams in the NFL, last time I checked. That's 64 possible starting CB positions. That means there are 54 CB's starting in the NFL that aren't top 10.

Lesson over.

hawaiiansteel
10-17-2012, 07:50 PM
That's all you've got???

Unbelievable.

YOU'RE the one who's stating Ike is top 10...I would say the burden is on YOU to give the characteristics and statistics--and game highlights, if you want--that show that, as he is currently performing, Ike is top 10. You can't do it.
BTW, I could turn your argument back on YOU...how much do YOU watch the other league corners? Please provide some game analysis--and video, if you would like--to prove your assertion that, as he's playing right now, Ike is a top 10 CB.

And even if he could start for every NFL team except the Jets, how does that prove he is top 10? You may want to do the math...there are 32 teams in the NFL, last time I checked. That's 64 possible starting CB positions. That means there are 54 CB's starting in the NFL that aren't top 10.

Lesson over.


$$$$ :Clap

feltdizz
10-17-2012, 09:32 PM
Shut up? How rude. Why didnt I supply highlights? Isnt it only fair? Anyone could submit a list. I want to know WHY someone is better. If you cant supply that then be quiet. If he isnt starting on half the teams then list those teams and tell me why those cbs are better. Is that so hard?

Some of you debate just to debate and supply no substance to substantiate that debate. That wont fly with me so I get why you guys dont like me. Sniff Sniff

You sound like a chick...

apologies to all the real chicks on PS.

Sugar
10-17-2012, 09:43 PM
Well, hopefully Ike gets it together against AJ on Sunday. He's the biggest weapon the Bengals have.

hawaiiansteel
10-18-2012, 01:57 AM
Steelers Notebook: CB Ike Taylor making a case for himself

By Chris Adamski | CBSSports.com
October 17, 2012

Steelers CB Mike Taylor answered his critics Wednesday, saying "Look at the stats." But the stats show that he is being victimized often by opposing offenses.

CB Ike Taylor has become the whipping boy for the Steelers' upset loss at Tennessee last Thursday.

The 10-year veteran is now out to make a case for himself.

Tuesday, Taylor went on his own show on Trib Live Radio and implored observers to "look at the stats," referring to the fact the Steelers rank fifth in the league in total defense and fourth in passing defense.

But according to more advanced statistics compiled by Pro Football Focus and the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Taylor is being victimized this season by opposing passing offenses.

According to the Tribune-Review, Taylor allowed eight catches by four different receivers and gave up 115 yards and a touchdown, and was targeted 15 times against the Titans. It was the most catches Taylor has allowed in 39 games.

The Trib said Taylor had been targeted 44 times in five games after being targeted 24 times and allowing only three receptions for 24 yards and no touchdowns through five games last season.

Taylor acknowledged that teams are coming after him now.

"It's going to be like that -- they're going to try me," he said. "Why wouldn't you? ... I've got 10 years of tape, so of course going into the game I know that's going to happen. What I've got to do is hold it down."

Taylor has quite the challenge this week inBengals' No. 1 WR A.J. Green. Taylor calls Green "a top-three receiver" in the league and said he would likely be shadowing him Sunday night in Cincinnati. Taylor also said he won't be asking for -- or expecting -- safety help.

Taylor was drafted in 2003, and since Mike Tomlin became coach in 2007, Taylor has usually been assigned to play "on an island" against every opponent's top receiver.

On a conference call with Pittsburgh reporters, Bengal QB Andy Dalton said he expected Taylor to follow Green.

"That's a challenge I want every week, regardless of who we're playing," Taylor said.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/20583842/steelers-notebook-ike-taylor-is-out-to-make-a-case-for-himself

Steelerphile
10-18-2012, 05:47 AM
The one thing Taylor could try to do is stop BLATANTLY grabbing, and interfering on most plays. I think that is the main reason he is being targeted, because they know even if they don't complete the pass, there is a good chance they will draw a flag. An inteference penalty is every bit as good as a long completion. I don't think smarts is Taylors long suit, but he is a long time vet. He should be very aware that you can't aggressively hold and hand check beyond the 5-yards. The coaches should be emphasizing that point to him.

virgilbosetti
10-18-2012, 08:21 AM
I think that article sums up nicely....exactly what ive been saying all along. Straight from Ike himself.

Oviedo
10-18-2012, 08:53 AM
I usually don't go this route, but there are several all lower case posters that joined in aug or sept of this year who have me re-thinking my policy. I usually just not respond to anything they say.


I only have one on "Ignore" and it isn't even you Eddie;)

Oviedo
10-18-2012, 08:55 AM
The one thing Taylor could try to do is stop BLATANTLY grabbing, and interfering on most plays. I think that is the main reason he is being targeted, because they know even if they don't complete the pass, there is a good chance they will draw a flag. An inteference penalty is every bit as good as a long completion. I don't think smarts is Taylors long suit, but he is a long time vet. He should be very aware that you can't aggressively hold and hand check beyond the 5-yards. The coaches should be emphasizing that point to him.

It would be nice to try to see Ike grab the ball not a receiver. INTs are much needed.

pfelix73
10-18-2012, 10:47 AM
Ike has to be dumber than a box of rocks. Says look at the stats. OK- most important stat of all- 2 wins 3 losses... Look at that stat Ike... Now what ya gonna say? Maybe he needs to drop these talk shows, forget about his personal promotions on websites, etc. and start worrying about what counts.- Playing FOOTBALL. Maybe Cowher and to a lesser extent Tomlin is starting to ride his ars for a reason...... of course, this is all just my opinion...lol

pfelix73
10-18-2012, 10:56 AM
Do some of you guys even watch the games. I record and replay EVERY GAME. When Mclendon is in there, the average rush yds is 2yds per carry then it jumps to 4+ with Hampton. Along with more pressure to the QB. Kiesel get pushed all down the field , more less than Hayward. Ike is self explanatory, he has been toasted constantly and when he's not he is holding or interfering . So what value is he. I can understand Foote being the starter BUT why is he even in the game in obvious passing downs.
This stuff is not made up by me. I follow all informative web sites (some banned on here ) and they break these things down.

Sure do watch the games. Watched every Steeler game for the past 20 + years. Either saw them in persone or on TV. Didn't even miss one when my daughter was born....

What's your point? you 'break' down each game- don't you think the coaching staff does as well?

feltdizz
10-18-2012, 01:04 PM
Sure do watch the games. Watched every Steeler game for the past 20 + years. Either saw them in persone or on TV. Didn't even miss one when my daughter was born....

What's your point? you 'break' down each game- don't you think the coaching staff does as well?

sometimes coaches are blinded by veteran leadership skills. There is no way McClendon should have been on the sideline to start the season. Hampton didn't play 1 down in preseason... and looked like it.

McFadden missed 4 preseason games and was handed the starting job.

Carter? How did he stick around? couldn't have been for speed and athleticism.

hawaiiansteel
10-18-2012, 01:51 PM
even Keenan Lewis at #91 is ranked ahead of our Top-10 CB, who is currently ranked as the #96 CB in the league.

Ike Taylor not happy with criticism

October 18, 2012 12:14 am
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

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Ike Taylor feels that he's picked on, and not just by opposing quarterbacks and receivers. The veteran cornerback complained that the local news media do not defend the Steelers, even when they cannot sometimes defend themselves on the field. He also says the media picks and chooses their statistics to make their points.

"I always felt like, you know, if we're in the same city, regardless what's going on with the team, why can't we just be family? Why can't we just point out the facts? Why does one individual have to be pointed out?"

Included in the so-called non-supporters in the new media would be his former coach, Bill Cowher, who Sunday had some critical things to say about Taylor on The NFL Today on CBS, not to mention his own coach, Mike Tomlin.

Cowher said this first about the Steelers defense: "I think they have a situation where all three losses, they lost fourth-quarter leads. They are struggling right now on defense."

He then offered what he thought was the biggest problem for the Steelers defense through five games.

"I will say the number one player is Ike Taylor," Cowher said. "He's given up seven penalties, four touchdowns, he's been targeted 44 times, and Ike is not playing his best football. What Dick LeBeau will have to do is protect him with a safety over the top."

Then there was Tomlin's comment about Taylor during his news conference Tuesday.

"He needs to get back to playing good, sound football," said Tomlin, whose perception of Taylor's performance surely was not formed by listening to local sports talk shows.

Taylor offered statistics to make his point that the Steelers defense is not playing as poorly as some of their critics might say.

"The stats are the stats," said Taylor, who repeated his assertions in the locker room Wednesday that he first made on his radio show Tuesday. "Y'all look at numbers, y'all throw numbers out, the numbers don't lie. And, if you want to go by numbers, we're not doing as bad as what they say we're doing."

The Steelers rank fifth in fewest yards allowed as a defense (295) fourth vs. the pass (200) and 10th vs. the run (95). But they are in the second division in the NFL, tied for 17th in points against them, allowing an average of 23 per game. Only one team has fewer than their two interceptions: the Dallas Cowboys, with one.

"Of course, that's not acceptable," Taylor said. "But the stats are the stats, and like I say, it depends on who you're talking to and what category."

Taylor's point was the media makes a big deal out of the points scored against the Steelers and not how few yards they've allowed.

He also expects Cincinnati quarterback Andy Dalton and receiver A.J. Green to target him Sunday night.

"Why wouldn't you?" Taylor said. "They're going to try me. I have 10 years of tape. Of course, I got to know going into the game that's going to happen. What I got to do is just hold it down.

"A.J. Green is probably one of the best receivers the NFL has going. Young and talented, also with the quarterback they have."

Green is third in the NFL with an average of 104.7 receiving yards per game and leads the AFC with six touchdown catches. Dalton is fifth in the league with 1,726 yards passing, although he has thrown nine interceptions.

As for stats on the Steelers cornerbacks? No interceptions, and, in a ranking of 100 cornerbacks off their play in 2012, Pro Football Focus lists Taylor 96th and Keenan Lewis 91st.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-ike-taylor-not-happy-with-criticism-657988/#ixzz29fKzpV4m

hawaiiansteel
10-18-2012, 08:29 PM
Ed: Steelers Safety Ranked Among NFL's Best

THURSDAY, 18 OCTOBER 2012 WRITTEN BY ED BOUCHETTE

Good morning,

This morning, I listed two rankings for cornerbacks Ike Taylor and Keenan Lewis among 100 in the NFL rated for their play this season by Pro Football Focus, which is respected around the league for its statistical breakdowns and ratings.

Taylor came in 96th and Lewis 91st. But nickel cornerback Cortez Allen fared better in the PFF rankings. He came in at No. 30. So, why isn’t he starting? Good question. Allen does have the benefit of playing in the nickel defense, when passes are expected. He doesn’t have to worry much about the run and he’s not normally covering the best receivers as Taylor does.

Let’s not stop at the cornerbacks though because PFF has some other rankings of Steelers players that are intriguing. As you might expect, the Steelers have one of the most highly ranked safeties in the league. But his name is not Troy Polamalu, according to PFF. It’s Ryan Clark, who comes in at No. 4 among the 75 rates safeties. Polamalu is not on the list, apparently because he does not have enough playing time yet. But the rating they give him, a minus-1.8, would put him at No. 54. Ryan Mundy is No. 65 and Will Allen would come in at No. 28 if he had enough snaps.

Onto some other stuff:

--- I have no idea what Ike Taylor could have been thinking when he thought the local media to stand by their team. He’s been around for 10 years, he should know how this whole business works by now. Plus, writing and saying good things about the Steelers won’t make them play better. Seems to me, the local media hasn’t changed all that much and since 2005, the Steelers have won two Super Bowls and made a third appearance despite all that lack of “support” by the local media.

It was a silly stance by him, but he compounded it by demanding that we use the right “stats.’’ Taylor wants us to point out that the Steelers defense ranks fifth in fewest yards allowed and fourth in fewest passing yards allowed. I’ll bet that is real comforting to Mike Tomlin. Perhaps Taylor should study more video on his own play and that of his opponents rather than spend that time reading and listening to what the local media has to say.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/118548-ed-steelers-safety-ranked-among-nfls-best

fordfixer
10-18-2012, 10:13 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/wires/10/18/2020.ap.fbn.steelers.ike.s.swagger.1st.ld.writethr u.1208/index.html


Steelers rallying around embattled CB Ike Taylor



PITTSBURGH (AP) - Ike Taylor's skin - the figurative kind - has grown thick over a decade developing a reputation as one of the NFL's better cover guys.
The veteran Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback is relying on that mental toughness to get him through the most difficult stretch of his career.
Following a brutal night in which the most experienced member of Pittsburgh's secondary was beaten relentlessly in a stunning 26-23 loss to Tennessee last week - surrendering the game-tying touchdown in the fourth quarter chief among his missteps - Taylor understands teams no longer fear throwing his way.
"They're going to try me,'' Taylor said. "Why wouldn't you? I've got 10 years of tape. I know going into the game that's going to happen.''
Only it seems to be happening with more regularity for Taylor. Typically charged with covering an opponent's No. 1 receiver, Taylor has found himself on the wrong end of pass completions in critical situations through the season's first month for the Steelers (2-3), who play at Cincinnati (3-3) on Sunday night.
Even Taylor allows his performance isn't quite up to the level. Then again, neither is the rest of the defense for a team that hasn't gotten off to its usual fast start under coach Mike Tomlin.
Pittsburgh is fifth in the league in yards allowed and fifth against the pass. Good numbers, yes, but it's the ones on the scoreboard at the end of games that are causing some early season angst.
The Steelers are allowing 23 points a game - more than a touchdown than the 14.2 they surrendered a year ago - and opponents have already thrown for nine scores, putting Pittsburgh on pace to give up the most passing touchdowns in team history.
"It's all correctable,'' Taylor said.
It's a refrain the team has issued repeatedly since a season-opening 31-19 loss at Denver, when Peyton Manning engineered a second-half comeback in his first game in more than a year. It resurfaced two weeks later when Carson Palmer and the Oakland Raiders put up 34 points to cap another late rally.
And it's back yet again after the Titans rolled up 113 yards and 10 points on its final two possessions, including a 4-yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck to Kenny Britt in which Taylor couldn't close in time to knock the ball out of Britt's hands.
It was the final gash in one of the roughest games of Taylor's otherwise solid career. He was flagged for pass interference twice and defensive holding once in addition to grasping at air rather than a receiver in critical situations.
His teammates have rallied to Taylor's defense while at the same time insisting the last thing he needs is a pep talk.
"There were tons of plays that a lot of us didn't make,'' safety Ryan Clark said. "What you don't do is create a problem. You don't start to panic and try to give him all these solutions and `Oh, I'm in your corner and I want to help you.' This is not a situation to where he is putting the team in position to lose.''
Defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau believes there is plenty of heat to go around. The Steelers aren't putting much pressure on the quarterback - they're averaging a so-so 2.2 sacks per game - and have spent the first portion of the year dealing with injuries to safety Troy Polamalu and linebackers James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley among others.
Given time to work, Manning, Palmer and Hasselbeck were all able to play like guys in the middle of their prime, not ones well on the other side of their careers.
"It's not the line, it's not the linebacker, it's not the defensive backs and it's not the defensive plays that are called, but it's a combination thereof,'' LeBeau said. "All these players are one-play games and we have to be the ones that make the play at the end of the game to make things swing our way.''
It's something Taylor flourished at last fall when he put together a Pro Bowl-caliber season, one that ended with him chasing Denver's Demaryius Thomas into the end zone on the first play of overtime as the Broncos pulled off a stunning 29-23 wild card victory.
Taylor insisted all summer the play didn't haunt him, that he was over it. Still, he allows the 80-yard catch-and-run may have shown he was vulnerable.
"Every season ain't going to be the same season,'' Taylor said. "What I have is 11 more games left.''
True, though the Steelers need to get better quickly if they want to emerge from the murky waters of the AFC. On Sunday they face one of the top quarterback-receiver combinations in the league in Andy Dalton and A.J. Green.
It will be Taylor's primary responsibility to keep the 6-foot-4 Green in check. LeBeau doesn't expect Taylor to win every battle, just enough of them.
"It's not a question of if they catch one on you here and there but when and how you respond,'' LeBeau said. "Ike's a veteran corner and he'll respond and he'll come out fighting.''
NOTES: Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger left practice early Thursday after rolling his right ankle but said afterward he was "fine.'' ... Polamalu (calf), running backs Rashard Mendenhall (Achilles) and Isaac Redman (ankle), right tackle Marcus Gilbert (ankle) and linebacker Chris Carter (hamstring) did not practice ... Center Maurkice Pouncey returned to practice and is optimistic his right knee will be good enough to play ... Linebacker Lawrence Timmons also practiced on Thursday. He sat out Wednesday with a previously undisclosed foot problem.
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hawaiiansteel
10-18-2012, 10:48 PM
Most people are citing ONE ON ONE beatings from Ike. We dont play one on one. The ZONE is getting beat not ONE individual. If you play a zone you play an AREA not a man. Learn football

opposing QBs and offenses really like to throw to the zone Ike is in...;)

Opposing QBs, offenses like Ike

By Alan Robinson
Published: Wednesday, October 17, 2012

The numbers are so disparate they seem to belong to two different players.

Steelers cornerback Ike Taylor’s statistics through five games last season: 24 passes thrown his way, three completions for 24 yards, no touchdowns, one penalty.

Taylor’s statistics this season: 44 passes thrown his way, 24 completions for 382 yards, four touchdowns, seven penalties called (one declined).

Such remarkably different numbers are difficult to blame on safety Troy Polamalu’s injury absence, Keenan Lewis’ taking over the other cornerback spot, the defensive line’s inability to generate much of a push or the Steelers’ few sacks.

“I need to handle my own and step it up,” Taylor said Wednesday.

Taylor, in his 10th season, is being targeted by quarterbacks like never before. On the first Titans drive last Thursday, Taylor was called for a 25-yard pass interference penalty and gave up a 15-yard completion, and he later yielded 111 yards on seven other passes.

Coincidence or not, Taylor’s falloff began when he gave up four catches for 204 yards in the Steelers’ surprise loss to Denver in the AFC playoffs. Before that, his only below-average 2011 game was when A.J. Green of Cincinnati caught 87 yards in passes against him.

So guess who Taylor will oppose — man to man, often with little backup — when the Steelers (2-3) and Bengals (3-3) meet Sunday night in a game vital to both AFC North teams?

“That’s the challenge that I look up to,” Taylor said.

Taylor’s frustration might have shown when, on TribLive Radio, he chastised media for not mentioning positive statistics or being supportive.

“Why does one individual have to be pointed out? … It is just not about me, that’s what I am trying to say,” Taylor said. “It’s about the whole team.”

But Taylor knows Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton, who has thrown 12 touchdown passes, will be looking his way often.

“They are going to try me,” Taylor said. “Why wouldn’t you?”

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2793408-85/taylor-passes-yards-steelers-season-statistics-thrown-afc-bengals-completions#ixzz29hWA5W3i

NorthCoast
10-23-2012, 10:13 PM
In three games against the Steelers, AJ Green has 7 catches for 123 yds and 2 TDs. Ike is the CB in coverage on a majority of plays. Dalton has been targeting Green on 46% of pass plays (all games). I understand Ike got plenty of help, but Ike was only targeted 3 times in the game allowing one completion for a TD. The rest of the game
Lewis, Allen and Brown were targeted 11 times and allowed a total of 6 pass completions away from Green.

Ike is and remains the Steelers best option against the other team's best.

feltdizz
10-24-2012, 01:08 PM
In three games against the Steelers, AJ Green has 7 catches for 123 yds and 2 TDs. Ike is the CB in coverage on a majority of plays. Dalton has been targeting Green on 46% of pass plays (all games). I understand Ike got plenty of help, but Ike was only targeted 3 times in the game allowing one completion for a TD. The rest of the game
Lewis, Allen and Brown were targeted 11 times and allowed a total of 6 pass completions away from Green.

Ike is and remains the Steelers best option against the other team's best.

Ike HAD PLENTY OF HELP.... of course he plays well when a team has 1 good WR.

My frustration with Ike is the beeyotching and moaning. He is too concerned with the media and easily talked out of his game. Why aren't we a family? Is Ike sharing his money with the rest of the DB's? I doubt it...

..and honestly, I'm more impressed by Lewis right now.

flippy
10-24-2012, 01:39 PM
Ike HAD PLENTY OF HELP.... of course he plays well when a team has 1 good WR.

My frustration with Ike is the beeyotching and moaning. He is too concerned with the media and easily talked out of his game. Why aren't we a family? Is Ike sharing his money with the rest of the DB's? I doubt it...

..and honestly, I'm more impressed by Lewis right now.

I've been most impressed by Allen than both of them. Lewis has been a pleasant surprise too. Although those guys aren't getting anywhere near a guy like AJ.

ikestops85
10-24-2012, 02:17 PM
I've been most impressed by Allen than both of them. Lewis has been a pleasant surprise too. Although those guys aren't getting anywhere near a guy like AJ.

Speaking of Cortez ... did he play Sunday night? I saw a lot of Curtis Brown but I don't remember seeing Allen.