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NorthCoast
10-02-2012, 10:07 PM
The Steelers are a 45 minute offense. They are ranked 2nd in the NFL for time of possession in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters with more than 60% share of possession (1st in overall average TOP).

But as everyone has witnessed, the Steelers rank 18th in the 4th quarter with a near 50% share of possession.

And along the same theme, the defense is ranked 17th, 8th, 16th, and 26th, in opponent scoring by 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters.

steelz09
10-02-2012, 10:24 PM
The Steelers are a 45 minute offense. They are ranked 2nd in the NFL for time of possession in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters with more than 60% share of possession (1st in overall average TOP).

But as everyone has witnessed, the Steelers rank 18th in the 4th quarter with a near 50% share of possession.

And along the same theme, the defense is ranked 17th, 8th, 16th, and 26th, in opponent scoring by 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters.

That's pathetic. Our running game is not consistent and that hurts us in the 4th quarter. Unless our RBs break 2 tackles behind the line of scrimmage, they are screwed.

Our defense....well, they need help everywhere.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-02-2012, 11:21 PM
Stats don't prove anything, here is what the facts tell us:

Game 1 @ Denver: Steelers 19, Broncos 14 with 14:15 to go

Game 2 vs. Jets: Steelers enter 4th with 20-10 lead, win game 27-10

Game 3 @ Raiders: Steelers lead 31-21 going into the 4th and lose 34-31

This tells me that the Steelers offense can get a lead - they just don't have a way of closing it out. That is more on the Oline and the running game.

hawaiiansteel
10-03-2012, 01:20 AM
Stats don't prove anything, here is what the facts tell us:

Game 1 @ Denver: Steelers 19, Broncos 14 with 14:15 to go

Game 2 vs. Jets: Steelers enter 4th with 20-10 lead, win game 27-10

Game 3 @ Raiders: Steelers lead 31-21 going into the 4th and lose 34-31

This tells me that the Steelers offense can get a lead - they just don't have a way of closing it out. That is more on the Oline and the running game.


this also tells me that the defense can't hold onto a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter, you can't let them off the hook either. the offense scored 31 points, that should be enough points to win with...

fezziwig
10-03-2012, 08:32 AM
31 points on the road.......your offense did what best it could. The defense stinks and so does the offensive line. Again, it's Ben and the receivers making things happen. I complained about Arians and I'll complain about Haley if he doesn't make things happen any better but, I'll give Haley sometime to grow and place his stamp on the offense. Has an Arians offense ever been ranked this high so soon or at all ?
Lebeau needs to face facts that, with his current players his scheme isn't working and he needs to readjust.

stopplayn
10-03-2012, 12:24 PM
Stats don't prove anything, here is what the facts tell us:

Game 1 @ Denver: Steelers 19, Broncos 14 with 14:15 to go

Game 2 vs. Jets: Steelers enter 4th with 20-10 lead, win game 27-10

Game 3 @ Raiders: Steelers lead 31-21 going into the 4th and lose 34-31

This tells me that the Steelers offense can get a lead - they just don't have a way of closing it out. That is more on the Oline and the running game.

I wonder if the success that Brady, Maning, Rodgers and Brees have is attributed to their offensive lines and running games? NOT.
Its due to elite play by the quarterbacks. They consistently put up a lot of points. They are buttholes. i.e they play with a chip on their shoulders, meaning KILLER INSTINCT. Ben doesnt have killer instinct. He is TOO NICE. If Seymour did to the aformentioned others, what he did to Ben, then there would be a BRAWL

steelz09
10-03-2012, 12:27 PM
this also tells me that the defense can't hold onto a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter, you can't let them off the hook either. the offense scored 31 points, that should be enough points to win with...

Exactly. I can't place blame on a offense that put up 31 points. Granted, the fumbling has to stop. I also won't dispute that the run blocking has been poor and that certainly doesn't help when trying to close out games.

With that being said... you won't win many games in this league if your defense allows 34 points.

Jigawatts
10-03-2012, 01:44 PM
I wonder if the success that Brady, Maning, Rodgers and Brees have is attributed to their offensive lines and running games? NOT.
Its due to elite play by the quarterbacks. They consistently put up a lot of points. They are buttholes. i.e they play with a chip on their shoulders, meaning KILLER INSTINCT. Ben doesnt have killer instinct. He is TOO NICE. If Seymour did to the aformentioned others, what he did to Ben, then there would be a BRAWL

Ben's a killer

stopplayn
10-03-2012, 02:21 PM
No, Ben is a nice guy

stopplayn
10-03-2012, 02:22 PM
The offense scored 31 points vs the RAIDERS lol. If Mendenhall ran for 200 yards vs the Raiders you all would be saying "Dont get ahead of yourself. Its just the Raiders"

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-03-2012, 02:54 PM
Cowher had some ridiculous stat of success in games where he had a lead. What else did he have here for most of his career?

A left side of the line with Marvel Smith, Alan Faneca, and Jeff Hartings. Tim Lester behind them, and Jerome to run the ball for positive yards when everybody in the house knew that he was getting the ball.

Slapstick
10-03-2012, 03:03 PM
Cowher had some ridiculous stat of success in games where he had a lead. What else did he have here for most of his career?

A left side of the line with Marvel Smith, Alan Faneca, and Jeff Hartings. Tim Lester behind them, and Jerome to run the ball for positive yards when everybody in the house knew that he was getting the ball.

He also had quite a few AFC Championship Game losses at home...

fezziwig
10-03-2012, 08:57 PM
We used to have such stats like. 100 yard rushers we win.
Never gave up a TD in the first quarter
If we lead at half time we would win

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-03-2012, 09:28 PM
He also had quite a few AFC Championship Game losses at home...

Never when he was up by 11 though.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
The offense scored 31 points vs the RAIDERS lol. If Mendenhall ran for 200 yards vs the Raiders you all would be saying "Dont get ahead of yourself. Its just the Raiders"

No, if Mendenhall ran for 200 on the Raiders we would all be saying....."That was a nice road win."

grotonsteel
10-04-2012, 02:35 AM
The offense scored 31 points vs the RAIDERS lol. If Mendenhall ran for 200 yards vs the Raiders you all would be saying "Dont get ahead of yourself. Its just the Raiders"

All mighty Peyton came up with 37 points against Raiders at home. Are you also going to LOL at that??? Well Raiders Offense came up with 7 points though.

hawaiiansteel
10-04-2012, 02:41 AM
Well Raiders Offense came up with 7 points though.

not even 7 points, all the Raiders offense could muster was two Sebastian Janikowski FGs in the first half. whereas the Raiders scored on five consecutive possessions in the 2nd half against us, they didn't score one single point in the 2nd half against the Broncos' defense.

sad, very sad...