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Ghost
09-27-2012, 02:37 PM
It was a bye week for his teammates. For linebacker James Harrison, it turned into a goodbye week.

The hope that the 5 time Pro Bowl linebacker expressed about the condition of his left knee after practicing Tuesday, turnd to disaapointment Wednesday when he left the Steelers training facility before practice becasue his knee bothered him.

"It's a little bit of a setback", said agen Bill Parise, who spoke to harrison after he went home. "Hopefully it's not somthein that will derail out plans."

The knee's adverse reaction to his second full practice of the year does not bode well.


Rest of the story:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-harrison-suffers-another-setback-654988/#ixzz27h5mrM85

BigRob
09-27-2012, 02:44 PM
It was a bye week for his teammates. For linebacker James Harrison, it turned into a goodbye week.

The hope that the 5 time Pro Bowl linebacker expressed about the condition of his left knee after practicing Tuesday, turnd to disaapointment Wednesday when he left the Steelers training facility before practice becasue his knee bothered him.

"It's a little bit of a setback", said agen Bill Parise, who spoke to harrison after he went home. "Hopefully it's not somthein that will derail out plans."

The knee's adverse reaction to his second full practice of the year does not bode well.


Rest of the story:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-harrison-suffers-another-setback-654988/#ixzz27h5mrM85

There are rumblings that he will need microfracture surgery. Nothing official yet, but it is noooooot looking good.

lloydroid
09-27-2012, 02:57 PM
Oh F-ck. There goes the season. Next. I guess we could start looking into the draft.

Oviedo
09-27-2012, 03:34 PM
Not surprising. I know that several posters have said that his "bull rush" technique against much larger OTs would catch up with him eventually. I never bought that he was a "young 30" or that his body didn't have a lot of "wear and tear."

It's a shame if it ends this way but I don't think the Steelers could afford to take the risk and bring him back unless it is at a reduced slaray.

lloydroid
09-27-2012, 04:32 PM
If this is it for James, the question is, where does he rank in your all time favorite Steeler? If he is done, he might not have had enough seasons to displace Greg Lloyd as my all time favorite ever. But he was on his way to the top of my list. Maybe not now.

Shoe
09-27-2012, 06:26 PM
If this is it for James, the question is, where does he rank in your all time favorite Steeler? If he is done, he might not have had enough seasons to displace Greg Lloyd as my all time favorite ever. But he was on his way to the top of my list. Maybe not now.

Lloyd is my 1a (Ward 1b). And when Harrison was REALLY wreaking havoc a few years back, it seemed sure that he would surpass #95 in Steeler fans hearts. I'm like you; he may fall just short. I don't really differentiate though after 1a/1b. He didn't make it there.

That being said, he still may be back this year. Heck, let's not get crazy... he may still be back next Sunday. Of course, he's done long-term with the team, but for this year? Let's not fold up his tent yet.

Slapstick
09-27-2012, 07:39 PM
Lloyd is my 1a (Ward 1b). And when Harrison was REALLY wreaking havoc a few years back, it seemed sure that he would surpass #95 in Steeler fans hearts. I'm like you; he may fall just short. I don't really differentiate though after 1a/1b. He didn't make it there.

As far as LBs go, Harrison is past Joey Porter and up there with Lloyd, IMO...

I think Harrison is as good a pass rusher as either one but better against the run than both...

And, let us not forget the small matter of the longest scoring play in Super Bowl history...

Eddie Spaghetti
09-27-2012, 08:32 PM
pretty depressing to think we will never see #92 never wear the colors again.

never see another one like him with the rules the way they are now.

SteelBucks
09-27-2012, 09:01 PM
There are rumblings that he will need microfracture surgery. Nothing official yet, but it is noooooot looking good.

IMO, if Harrison needs microfracture surgery, he's done. It's difficult for a young player to fully recover let alone a 34 year old LB.

virgilbosetti
09-27-2012, 09:17 PM
His knee must be junk. He doesn't even com close to my all time favorite Steeler LB's. Well maybe kind of close.

eniparadoxgma
09-27-2012, 10:28 PM
http://i.imgur.com/05cpG.jpg



He's in the top 5 LBs for me.

Captain Lemming
09-27-2012, 11:09 PM
As far as LBs go, Harrison is past Joey Porter and up there with Lloyd, IMO...

I think Harrison is as good a pass rusher as either one but better against the run than both...

And, let us not forget the small matter of the longest scoring play in Super Bowl history...

Harrison is better that ALL our 3/4 OLBer BY FAR.

Actually you got Lloyd wrong. He was MUCH better versus the run than he was a pass rusher.
Harrison is better at destroying blockers when the run comes at him, Glloyd was much better in pursuit, and had a Troy like burst mode.
Both Harrison and Lloyd were rare 3/4 OLBers capable of getting 100 plus total tackles
Harrison gets WAY more sacks than Lloyd, but they get a similar number of tackles versus the run.
Lloyd was a very good but not great pass rusher.
His sacks just tended to be of the spectacular fashion, and were the stuff of highlights

We tend to have two types of OLBers.

Quick LBer sized guys- Lloyd, Brown, Porter etc.
4/3 Dlineman types- Greene, Gildon, Woodley etc

Harrison has BOTH skillsets. He can bullrush an OT or dominate an elite RB with equal effectiveness.

We had a great set of OLBERs in Lloyd and Greene.

Harrison is the best of both on one package.

Healthy Harrison during his DPOY era has no peers among Steeler 3/4 LBs period.
IMHO ONLY LT was in his class, period.
Talk of Demarcus Ware being better is RIDICULOUS, as is comparisons with any other one trick pony pass rush specialist out there.

Harrisons peak, like Lloyd is going to be too short lived to recognize his historical greatness.

Slapstick
09-28-2012, 06:34 AM
Harrison is better that ALL our 3/4 OLBer BY FAR.

Actually you got Lloyd wrong. He was MUCH better versus the run than he was a pass rusher.
Harrison is better at destroying blockers when the run comes at him, Glloyd was much better in pursuit, and had a Troy like burst mode.
Both Harrison and Lloyd were rare 3/4 OLBers capable of getting 100 plus total tackles
Harrison gets WAY more sacks than Lloyd, but they get a similar number of tackles versus the run.
Lloyd was a very good but not great pass rusher.
His sacks just tended to be of the spectacular fashion, and were the stuff of highlights

We tend to have two types of OLBers.

Quick LBer sized guys- Lloyd, Brown, Porter etc.
4/3 Dlineman types- Greene, Gildon, Woodley etc

Harrison has BOTH skillsets. He can bullrush an OT or dominate an elite RB with equal effectiveness.

We had a great set of OLBERs in Lloyd and Greene.

Harrison is the best of both on one package.

Healthy Harrison during his DPOY era has no peers among Steeler 3/4 LBs period.
IMHO ONLY LT was in his class, period.
Talk of Demarcus Ware being better is RIDICULOUS, as is comparisons with any other one trick pony pass rush specialist out there.

Harrisons peak, like Lloyd is going to be too short lived to recognize his historical greatness.

I think that Lloyd was a great pass rusher who didn't have the opportunities that Harrison did because he played in a different era...

I think that Harrison is better against the run for much the same reason...

I do agree that, especially the DPOY season, Harrison had no peer at 3-4 OLB with the exception of LT...

steelz09
09-28-2012, 09:32 AM
I do remember Lloyd getting blown up by the Cowboys in that SB. They ran those sweeps or whatever and pulled those HUGE o-lineman and Lloyd didn't have the size to hold up. That's not a knock on him... Dallas o-line was huge for that era

phillyesq
09-28-2012, 10:32 AM
If this is it for James, the question is, where does he rank in your all time favorite Steeler? If he is done, he might not have had enough seasons to displace Greg Lloyd as my all time favorite ever. But he was on his way to the top of my list. Maybe not now.

That is an interesting question. Harrison has been my favorite player for the past few seasons, with Ward and Troy right up there. I've always favored the right OLB - Lloyd, Porter and now Harrison. Harrison has probably surpassed Porter for me, but Porter's performance in the playoffs leading up to the SB, especially against Indy, gives him a special spot.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-28-2012, 10:57 AM
That is an interesting question. Harrison has been my favorite player for the past few seasons, with Ward and Troy right up there. I've always favored the right OLB - Lloyd, Porter and now Harrison. Harrison has probably surpassed Porter for me, but Porter's performance in the playoffs leading up to the SB, especially against Indy, gives him a special spot.

Agreed. Of course Harrison has his own little claim on a post-season special spot! Haley may be the only coach that ever made Kurt Warner curse, but I think Harrison caused him to utter another one at the end of the half in that SB ;-)

ikestops85
09-28-2012, 12:22 PM
I think Harrison has given his all for this team and I always loved his effort. He certainly ranks high in my list of Steeler linebackers but he is nowhere near the top. I think Jack Ham was the greatest linebacker we have ever had. I think he doesn't get the acclaim because he never had the attitude of Lambert, Lloyd, Porter or Harrison.

Ham was unbelievable against the run and tremendous against the pass. He didn't get many sack totals because it wasn't often that we blitzed in that day and age. Watching the Ratbirds game the other night they put a stat up about Ray Lewis. He is second for linebackers creating turnovers. The guy in first place, but a big margin, was Jack Ham.

Ham is the Man!!!

Captain Lemming
09-28-2012, 01:10 PM
I think that Lloyd was a great pass rusher who didn't have the opportunities that Harrison did because he played in a different era...

I think that Harrison is better against the run for much the same reason...

I do agree that, especially the DPOY season, Harrison had no peer at 3-4 OLB with the exception of LT...

Glloyd had 10 sacks ONCE in his career. Dude averaged like 7 during his prime.
Talking eras? His own teamate Kevin Greene would surpass 10 sacks routinely.
Chad Brown was moved from inside for ONE SEASON to OLBer in replacing Lloyd and bested Lloyds CAREER high number of sacks.
Same era exact same position, one season.

Lloyds sacks were just far more beautiful. Dude looked like a missile aimed at the QB, or a big cat in pursuit of the kill. Often he created turnovers.
But he needed to come off cleanly, tackles would engulf him. They needed to mix it up more with him in coverage because if you KNEW he was coming, you could stop him.

People forget the dude was a beast versus the run. Twice the run defender of most of our 3/4 OLBers.

Harrison though is better at both because he is stronger.

Captain Lemming
09-28-2012, 01:16 PM
I think Harrison has given his all for this team and I always loved his effort. He certainly ranks high in my list of Steeler linebackers but he is nowhere near the top. I think Jack Ham was the greatest linebacker we have ever had. I think he doesn't get the acclaim because he never had the attitude of Lambert, Lloyd, Porter or Harrison.

Ham was unbelievable against the run and tremendous against the pass. He didn't get many sack totals because it wasn't often that we blitzed in that day and age. Watching the Ratbirds game the other night they put a stat up about Ray Lewis. He is second for linebackers creating turnovers. The guy in first place, but a big margin, was Jack Ham.

Ham is the Man!!!

I dont compare 70s guys because it was like a different position.
Ham was more like Troy (when he plays in the box) just more consistent and less spectacular.
How often did Ham have to fight through an OT to make a play. Harrison gets HELD by them every week.

A guy like Woodley plays a role more akin to LC Greenwood than LBers of that era. Harrison is a blend.

Oviedo
09-28-2012, 01:23 PM
I think Harrison has given his all for this team and I always loved his effort. He certainly ranks high in my list of Steeler linebackers but he is nowhere near the top. I think Jack Ham was the greatest linebacker we have ever had. I think he doesn't get the acclaim because he never had the attitude of Lambert, Lloyd, Porter or Harrison.

Ham was unbelievable against the run and tremendous against the pass. He didn't get many sack totals because it wasn't often that we blitzed in that day and age. Watching the Ratbirds game the other night they put a stat up about Ray Lewis. He is second for linebackers creating turnovers. The guy in first place, but a big margin, was Jack Ham.

Ham is the Man!!!

Talent wise Ham was the best ever, however no player set the tone for an entire defense like Lambert. He more thsan any player not named Joe Greene personified what an entire defense was all about.

My top list:

1. Ham
2. Lambert
3. Lloyd
4. Harrison
5. Kirkland

Players who did not do it for as long I really liked: Keven Greene, Chad Brown and Loren Toews. Toews was always a favorite of mine growing up. Chad Brown would have been a star had he remained in the 'Burgh.

flippy
09-28-2012, 01:40 PM
I think Harrison has given his all for this team and I always loved his effort. He certainly ranks high in my list of Steeler linebackers but he is nowhere near the top. I think Jack Ham was the greatest linebacker we have ever had. I think he doesn't get the acclaim because he never had the attitude of Lambert, Lloyd, Porter or Harrison.

Ham was unbelievable against the run and tremendous against the pass. He didn't get many sack totals because it wasn't often that we blitzed in that day and age. Watching the Ratbirds game the other night they put a stat up about Ray Lewis. He is second for linebackers creating turnovers. The guy in first place, but a big margin, was Jack Ham.

Ham is the Man!!!

Definitely agree Ham is the greatest LB in Steelers history and it's not close. And get doesn't get any credit like the other guys because they were feared and they were characters that defined the game in their respective eras. Too bad Ham didn't have Troy's hair or something :smile:

However, had James Harrison's career lasted as long as Ham's there wouldn't be a question that Harrison was better. He probably would have been worthy for consideration of the greatest LB of all time in the NFL if he had the tenure.

Harrison probably would have had more DPOY awards than LT if he were a little smarter, learned the defense, and got into the league when he was young.

flippy
09-28-2012, 01:45 PM
Talent wise Ham was the best ever, however no player set the tone for an entire defense like Lambert. He more thsan any player not named Joe Greene personified what an entire defense was all about.

My top list:

1. Ham
2. Lambert
3. Lloyd
4. Harrison
5. Kirkland

Players who did not do it for as long I really liked: Keven Greene, Chad Brown and Loren Toews. Toews was always a favorite of mine growing up. Chad Brown would have been a star had he remained in the 'Burgh.

What about Andy Russell? He did make 7 Pro Bowls even though he took off 2 years to join the Army early in his career.

virgilbosetti
09-28-2012, 02:05 PM
What about Andy Russell? He did make 7 Pro Bowls even though he took off 2 years to join the Army early in his career.

Was going to mention Russell and man I wish kendrell bell could have stated a healthy steeler.

lloydroid
09-28-2012, 02:11 PM
I do remember Lloyd getting blown up by the Cowboys in that SB. They ran those sweeps or whatever and pulled those HUGE o-lineman and Lloyd didn't have the size to hold up. That's not a knock on him... Dallas o-line was huge for that era

They feared Lloyd so much, that they sent their pro bowl Larry Allen (350) at Lloyd to isolate block him. Allen would mow down any LB on earth. That shows how much Dallas feared GL to begin with. Allen had some insane bench press of like 700 lbs.

lloydroid
09-28-2012, 02:14 PM
His knee must be junk. He doesn't even com close to my all time favorite Steeler LB's. Well maybe kind of close.

I don't know how he doesn't. No one created more havoc in their day, ever. No one.

Oviedo
09-28-2012, 02:34 PM
Definitely agree Ham is the greatest LB in Steelers history and it's not close. And get doesn't get any credit like the other guys because they were feared and they were characters that defined the game in their respective eras. Too bad Ham didn't have Troy's hair or something :smile:

However, had James Harrison's career lasted as long as Ham's there wouldn't be a question that Harrison was better. He probably would have been worthy for consideration of the greatest LB of all time in the NFL if he had the tenure.

Harrison probably would have had more DPOY awards than LT if he were a little smarter, learned the defense, and got into the league when he was young.

I would disagree about Harrsion being better. They were in different defenses and asked to do different things. Ham had like 8 INTs one year. That is unheard of even for the best DBs in the league. Plus I think Ham was so much smarter. He was so fast that he seemed to have multiple tackles behind the LOS every game.

You really have to compare Harrison to Defensive Ends of the Steel Curtain years and I would still take LC Greenwood over him. Maybe Dwight White too.

Slapstick
09-28-2012, 02:56 PM
100+ yard INT return in the biggest of the big games...

That is a very powerful trump card in Harrison's favor...

flippy
09-28-2012, 03:11 PM
100+ yard INT return in the biggest of the big games...

That is a very powerful trump card in Harrison's favor...


And he did it his way. The play was called. Harrison messed everything up the plan by dropping into coverage. No one expected it. No coach, no player, not Kurt Warner. And the play that save the game (14 point swing) was thanks to James improv.

Everyone talks about how Troy freelances and how that makes him special. James does too, but he's not supposed to. Is it possible that the combo of James and Troy trumps the predictability of Dick Lebeau's D calls?

virgilbosetti
09-28-2012, 03:12 PM
I don't know how he doesn't. No one created more havoc in their day, ever. No one.
He sure did create havoc. But for my list of favorites it's hard to put him at the top with only a small handgull of yrs compared to lambert, ham, russell, Lloyd etc. JMO. Not trying to sell it.

papillon
09-28-2012, 04:41 PM
For me everyone gets in line after the following three in this order:

Jack Ham - In the discussion as greatest LB of all time
Jack Lambert - In the discussion as greatest middle LB of all time
Andy Russell - Unfortunately, overshadowed by the two listed above, but appeared in 7 Pro-Bowls

It's hard to believe they all played on the same team for an extended period of time.

Pappy

SidSmythe
09-28-2012, 07:57 PM
Harrison's career had a late start ... No one can tell me they've ever watched a pass rusher get held as much as James Harrison.
Greg Lloyd was my favorite but I have to admit James Harrison wreaked havoc almost every play. The man was an animal.

Keyplay1
09-30-2012, 11:55 AM
I'm certainly in agreement with all the preceding posts. JH is truly a great player. But with all the developments in the past several weeks it reminded me of something I thought was very odd I saw maybe 3-4 weeks ago on TV.

The reports were sounding optimistic and JH was testing and trying out his knee in full practice etc. Anyway the camera caught a quick glimpse of him working out. I watched it and scratched by head. Wow! I thought. What a demanding exercise.

The laughable thought entered my head that if JH never ever had any history or even a mild problem with his knee /and or back he would certainly have one now after going through that routine.

Since I have no experience with any type of exercise the even more laughable thought occurred to me that any ordinary person trying that bit of rehab?? would probably not be able to even walk for a month. But I thought nothing of it at the time.

Over the past several years there have been instances of some mood swings in JH. At times he is on TV and is funnier than most stand up comics on the Comedy channel. At other times he is very one track minded[right or wrong] when at odds with the league on many issues etc.

All this has me now wondering. Is it possible I have missed something. Is James again at war with the league and/or possibly the Steelers over some issue? It sure looked to me like JH could have played two full games in one day and the knee would have taken less abuse and/or wear and tear than that freaking workout.

For those familiar with exercises here is what it looked like to me. He was in a kneeling position with one knee on the ground and with both hands around the other knee. Then he starting putting the knee to the left near the ground bringing it back up and trying to bring it to the ground to the right?? Try it! It goes one way easy enough but the other way seems to be the way it goes when players end up on IR for the season. Especially try it doing it very quickly and with vigorous force in both directions. See if you can walk tomorrow.

JH has been very quiet on this situation. This is uncharacteristic of him. Can't help thinking there is more to this than meets the eye.

hawaiiansteel
10-07-2012, 03:05 AM
Steelers plan to rotate outside linebackers to avoid fatigue

October 6, 2012
By Gerry Dulac / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

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James Harrison, pictured, and LaMarr Woodley will be rotated to save energy in the game Sunday against the Philadelphia Eagles and their elusive quarterback, Michael Vick.

The Steelers might have learned a lesson after the defense blew a pair of 10-point leads in the fourth quarter of their loss against Oakland.

Perhaps, that's why they plan to rotate outside linebackers James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley in the game Sunday against the Philadelphia Eagles and their elusive quarterback, Michael Vick.

Harrison, a five-time Pro Bowl linebacker, will make his return against the Eagles (3-1) after missing spring and summer camps with a recurring knee injury. He will be joined in the starting lineup by All-Pro safety Troy Polamalu, who sat out the past two games with a calf injury.

The Steelers (1-2) told Harrison he will be spelled in the first half by Chris Carter, who has been starting at right outside linebacker since minicamp. The coaches want to be sure Harrison is fresh for the fourth quarter.

"I have to come off," Harrison said. "It's no need being out there, being dog-tired, and not be able to do what's necessary to play the position. You want to stay fresh. You don't want to go out there and play every snap in the first half and come out sluggish in the third and have nothing left in the fourth."

The Steelers have a similar plan for Woodley, who has three of the team's five sacks.

They will spell him early with Jason Worilds because they want to make sure Woodley is fresh enough to chase Vick in the fourth quarter. But the Steelers will not have Harrison and Woodley out of the game at the same time.

After the defense blew leads of 24-14 and 31-21 in the fourth quarter of their 34-31 loss to the Raiders, the coaches want to make sure their best players are fresh when the game might be on the line in the fourth quarter.

In Harrison's case, though, it is his first game since the wild-card playoff loss in Denver.

"When it comes down to it, a lot of it simply is because I haven't played," Harrison said. "To actually think you're going to go out there and play 60-plus snaps in a game ... I haven't seen the normal training camp, the normal [organized training activities] and preseason. When you look at it, it's really coming up on what would be my first preseason game."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-plan-to-rotate-outside-linebackers-to-avoid-fatigue-656431/#ixzz28aO16uaI

hawaiiansteel
10-16-2012, 04:43 PM
Harrison: I've had 'double-digit' concussions

CBSSports.com wire reports
Oct. 16, 2012

PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison didn't want to wait for the NFL to do something about protecting his head, so the four-time Pro Bowler decided to do it himself.

After enduring what he estimated as "double digit" bouts with concussion-like symptoms throughout his decade-long career, Harrison began using a special layer of padding inside his helmet last fall and is pleased with the results.

"I haven't seen any spots or had any blackouts," Harrison said Tuesday.

Harrison was the first NFL player to use the CRT padding developed by Unequal Technologies inside his helmet. Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick began using a flak jacket lined with military-grade Kevlar during the 2010 season, but Harrison was the first player to put the quarter-inch padding in his helmet.

He's been joined around 100 players over the last 12 months and feels the extra weight (about 3-4 ounces) is worth the feeling of safety it provides.

"To protect my head I'd take a pound more," Harrison said.

The outspoken 2009 NFL Defensive Player of the Year believes the movement could catch on. One of the NFL's fiercest hitters, Harrison says he played through concussion-like symptoms in the past but as he's aged has become more wary of the long-lasting impact repeated head shots can have on a player's future health.

"If something works, I'm going to use it," he said.

The green padding uses material developed to protect combat military personnel. The padding square packs that can be cut into different shapes then stuck inside helmets from various sports, including hockey and baseball.

Harrison became aware of the product while looking for a little extra protection after fracturing his right orbital bone last season. Pittsburgh backup quarterback Charlie Batch, a member of the NFL Players Association's executive council, introduced CRT to player representatives from around the league, which quickly helped expand usage.

Unequal Technologies president Robert Vito said the product doesn't claim to prevent concussions but that anecdotal evidence from players from all levels seem to indicate the material can help minimize the recurrence of concussions.

Harrison noted the NFL has gone to great lengths to address concussions and hand out "crazy fines" to players who make illegal hits but haven't taken aggressive action in trying to update the equipment.

"The league is mandating next year that we wear thigh and knee pads," Harrison said. "I don't know how many people's career has been ended on a thigh or knee bruise. We have guys now that are 30, 31 years old that are having to quit the game because they have severe headaches ... I think you should be focusing more on (the helmet) than knee or thigh pads."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/20574082/harrison-ive-had-doubledigit-concussions