I envy Seattle

[lloydroid]

Before you tell me to go route for them and quit being a Steeler fan (no idea why people think that is appropriate), let me explain. I don't want to switch places as a franchise; I don't like their uniforms better, etc. But I envy them for the following.

1.) A stadium designed the right way. 3 Rivers stadium was superior to HF in that it was much louder. The open side of HF let's all that noise escape. 3 Rivers was a much more difficult for visiting teams to play, and Seattle's stadium is done right, with the crowd virtually on top of the field. The majority of the crowd is close to the field, allowing it to be the loudest outdoor stadium in the NFL. And that sure helps. Seattle sacked Rogers 8 times in ONE HALF. And the crowd was part of that outcome, as players can't hear the snap count and are a tick slow to react when the ball is snapped.

2.) Seahawks young, hard-hitting secondary. Dear word, do they have a bunch of good DBs. Why does it seem we are always trying to find good CBs, but other than Ike (who is bordering on average these days) we can't seem to find good CBs. Seattle has a boat load. And they all hit.

3.) They get pressure from just their front four. What a luxury. If you get to the QB with just rushing 4, man does that make playing defense easier. It's frustrating seeing Pgh not being able to get any pressure on QBs even with blitzing. What is wrong with them?

4.) They are a young team with talent. Being just young, but crappy isn't anything to holler about, but they are young and talented. It's kind of depressing when your best players are constantly getting hurt because they are getting old. And the players that are behind them don't seem to be anything special.

5.) They have a real enthusiasm with the players. Yea, I could be overreacting from our upset loss, but Pgh just seems like they are more bummed out than enthused. We have the images of Troy on the sidelines wearing a T shirt, a frustrated DL not getting it done, CBs who can't play, OL that is failing. The team just doesn't feel like it has enthusiasm. I don't see it.

No, I don't want to trade franchises. No I don't want to trade our 6 rings for their current team. But I do envy some aspects about that team right now. Kind of reminds me of the early Cowher years, where Pgh took the league by storm after a losing season before hand. I remember his first game, beating the favored Houston Oilers - that was a young, enthusiastic bunch. Old guys wearing down just isn't fun.

[Slapstick]

I don't.

Since 2008, their overall record is 25 wins and 42 losses. The playoffs one year at 7-9 and managed to win a game before losing in the divisional playoffs.

While they are 2-1 right now, I reserve the right to review their entire season before I decide to envy them...

[Starlifter]

The only point I agree with is the comments about Heinz. The only thing special about our field is the play of the team itself. The facility on it's own is bland, below average and don't get me started on the grass.

[feltdizz]

I get what the OP is saying... I don't think he wants the record or the history of these teams but Seattle, AZ and a few other teams are young, fast and fun to watch. I'm seeing blitzes from all sides... high energy defenses... and guys who look like they are having fun.

We used to be like these teams but now all of our stars are old, the new guys look like they are still trying to figure out the playbook and our players look stale IMO. Where is the energy? Where is the pep in their step?

[lloydroid]

I don't.

Since 2008, their overall record is 25 wins and 42 losses. The playoffs one year at 7-9 and managed to win a game before losing in the divisional playoffs.

While they are 2-1 right now, I reserve the right to review their entire season before I decide to envy them...

I don't envy their past at all. But I do envy the direction they are headed. I think Carol is building something significant there and that rookie QB looks good for a rookie. He is only going to get better. And they are so young that their future looks bright.

[lloydroid]

I get what the OP is saying... I don't think he wants the record or the history of these teams but Seattle, AZ and a few other teams are young, fast and fun to watch. I'm seeing blitzes from all sides... high energy defenses... and guys who look like they are having fun.

We used to be like these teams but now all of our stars are old, the new guys look like they are still trying to figure out the playbook and our players look stale IMO. Where is the energy? Where is the pep in their step?

That's exactly what I am saying. I wouldn't trade our total history with ANY team in the NFL, not even close. But seeing that young team full of zest, and a stadium that creates a huge home field advantage (as opposed to our "scenic" stadium that allows the noise to escape) are things that I envy. Seeing Troy walk around all game in civies, and seeing no pressure on the QB, just isn't a fun image. Seeing the Raiders just march down the field with such ease was depressing. All that said, I think this loss could be a motivator, with them having 2 full weeks to think about it. But I still fear the Eagles game.

[lloydroid]

The only point I agree with is the comments about Heinz. The only thing special about our field is the play of the team itself. The facility on it's own is bland, below average and don't get me started on the grass.

So you don't think Seattle has a rock solid, young core of DBs and a front 4 that puts pressure on without needing blitzes? OK. I'd trade for their backfield in a second. They are all fast, athletic and will bust you in the mouth.

I actually like HF, just fine, except for the open end design and crap field. At 3 Rivers, the crowd could make a huge difference. At HF, not so much. I used to _feel_ the crowd noise through my BODY at 3 Rivers. I don't get that at all at HF. Oh whoopity do; you can view the city skyline from inside HF. F that, Rooneys. I'd rather have a stadium built to help _WIN_, I don't need to view the city when I'm at a Steelers' game. That was a pretty huge mistake. Oh, wait, I can view the city during the game. Who gives an F?

[Jigawatts]

I rarely watch ESPN and I certainly don't follow the Seahawks often, but tuning in last night I can see what droid is saying about the stadium. That place had some energy.

[lloydroid]

I rarely watch ESPN and I certainly don't follow the Seahawks often, but tuning in last night I can see what droid is saying about the stadium. That place had some energy.

It's built so the crowd is virtually on top of the players. It's like straight up. I took the Hawks to cover the spread, and, since they won, obviously they did. I liked Seattle to win straight up, but it took insanity for that to happen, as it turned out.

[RuthlessBurgher]

What is it about Pacific Northwest football teams and ridiculous uniforms? It's as if Nike threw up the Oregon Ducks unis and then crapped out the Seattle Seahawks unis.

[lloydroid]

What is it about Pacific Northwest football teams and ridiculous uniforms? It's as if Nike threw up the Oregon Ducks unis and then crapped out the Seattle Seahawks unis.

There are elements I like about them, like the weird sheen off the material that their numbers are made of. But I thought the same thing: What is it about the North West that makes them put bizarre unis together? Oregon is flat out lunacy, like they keep putting them together while tripping on acid.

[hawaiiansteel]

I only envy the Seattle Seahawks for one thing they have better than us:

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/seattle-seahawks-cheerleaders-8.jpg

[lloydroid]

I only envy the Seattle Seahawks for one thing they have better than us:

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/seattle-seahawks-cheerleaders-8.jpg

If I am going to envy that element, I go with

1.) The Raiderettes (especially when they were in LA)
2.) Both Texas teams. (Why are so many Texan women so hot? Unreal.)
3.) Miami gals. Holy mother of God they are sizzling.

//http://images.travelpod.com/users/gwhite142/1.1242650460.oakland-raiderettes.jpg

[papillon]

Every year there's a Johnny come lately to the party that looks like they have it right and maybe the Seahawks do have it right and maybe they don't. I certainly don't envy them in the least because they may have a better season than the Steelers. The Steelers are the most rock solid franchise in the league, 40 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 10 hours ago or even 10 minutes ago. If they have a down year and I doubt that they do, I'm not going to envy a team that is having a successful season after 3 games, 10 games or 16 games and the Steelers may be struggling. What I'll be doing is hoping the Steelers can right the ship and if they don't, I'll hope they have a successful draft and off season. Being envious of a team because they're being successful (for a change) and the Steelers aren't isn't something I even think about. The Seahawks are just another team; I'm a Steeler fan and don't really care what the Seahawks are doing or not doing.

Pappy

[steelfin]

Every year there's a Johnny come lately to the party that looks like they have it right and maybe the Seahawks do have it right and maybe they don't. I certainly don't envy them in the least because they may have a better season than the Steelers. The Steelers are the most rock solid franchise in the league, 40 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 10 hours ago or even 10 minutes ago. If they have a down year and I doubt that they do, I'm not going to envy a team that is having a successful season after 3 games, 10 games or 16 games and the Steelers may be struggling. What I'll be doing is hoping the Steelers can right the ship and if they don't, I'll hope they have a successful draft and off season. Being envious of a team because they're being successful (for a change) and the Steelers aren't isn't something I even think about. The Seahawks are just another team; I'm a Steeler fan and don't really care what the Seahawks are doing or not doing.

Pappy


Agree 100% Pappy...but it would be nice to have some cheerleaders...:tt2

SF

[BigRob]

Every year there's a Johnny come lately to the party that looks like they have it right and maybe the Seahawks do have it right and maybe they don't. I certainly don't envy them in the least because they may have a better season than the Steelers. The Steelers are the most rock solid franchise in the league, 40 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 10 hours ago or even 10 minutes ago. If they have a down year and I doubt that they do, I'm not going to envy a team that is having a successful season after 3 games, 10 games or 16 games and the Steelers may be struggling. What I'll be doing is hoping the Steelers can right the ship and if they don't, I'll hope they have a successful draft and off season. Being envious of a team because they're being successful (for a change) and the Steelers aren't isn't something I even think about. The Seahawks are just another team; I'm a Steeler fan and don't really care what the Seahawks are doing or not doing.

Pappy

I agree with you in the sense that the Steelers are well run and will stay on top overall. That doesn't mean they won't go through some down years. For example... 1998-2000

[lloydroid]

I agree with you in the sense that the Steelers are well run and will stay on top overall. That doesn't mean they won't go through some down years. For example... 1998-2000

I don't know why admiring another team's bright spots is some kind of Steeler sin. I would LOVE to have the stadium and DBs that team has. I also might like another dude's car or crib; it doesn't mean I obsess over it. Just admire quality, whether it be in Seattle's DBs or the dude's mansion down the street. I see nothing wrong with admiring quality in others situations. <shrugs shoulders>

[BigRob]

I don't know why admiring another team's bright spots is some kind of Steeler sin. I would LOVE to have the stadium and DBs that team has. I also might like another dude's car or crib; it doesn't mean I obsess over it. Just admire quality, whether it be in Seattle's DBs or the dude's mansion down the street. I see nothing wrong with admiring quality in others situations. <shrugs shoulders>

Not bashing you dude. I think the NFC West in General is becoming more and more like the AFC North. Who wouldn't respect young, aggressive, and energetic defenses?

Where has that gone for us?

[lloydroid]

Every year there's a Johnny come lately to the party that looks like they have it right and maybe the Seahawks do have it right and maybe they don't. I certainly don't envy them in the least because they may have a better season than the Steelers. The Steelers are the most rock solid franchise in the league, 40 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 10 hours ago or even 10 minutes ago. If they have a down year and I doubt that they do, I'm not going to envy a team that is having a successful season after 3 games, 10 games or 16 games and the Steelers may be struggling. What I'll be doing is hoping the Steelers can right the ship and if they don't, I'll hope they have a successful draft and off season. Being envious of a team because they're being successful (for a change) and the Steelers aren't isn't something I even think about. The Seahawks are just another team; I'm a Steeler fan and don't really care what the Seahawks are doing or not doing.

Pappy

No team contends every year, but this one comes as close to that as it gets. But the years with bad QBs were the years we didn't really contend. You simply aren't going to win a Super Bowl with a Kordell, a FrankenGraham, a Tomczak, a Mark Malone, a Cliff Stoudt, a David Woodley, a Jim Miller and, probably not a Neil O'Donnell (although you might get there with him, as we did and then he failed miserably).

Any how, I would love if we had the backfield Seattle does.

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Seahawks-2012-Defensive-backs/88fe05f1-fc35-4a26-bccd-0eb90dbacaf5

[RuthlessBurgher]

The Seahawks were laughingstocks at the draft this year when they reeeeeeeeached for Bruce Irvin the middle of round 1 (I applauded it, because it helped DeCastro fall to us). Sure, Irvin had 2 sacks last night, but Brandon Mebane also had 2 sacks against that putrid Green Bay OL, and Chris Clemons had 4 sacks. The previous year, they reeeeeeeeeached for James Carpenter in round 1 as well. Gimme Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin, and our "cheapskate" owner over John Schneider, Pete Carroll, and their billionaire Microsoft owner any day.

[lloydroid]

Not bashing you dude. I think the NFC West in General is becoming more and more like the AFC North. Who wouldn't respect young, aggressive, and energetic defenses?

Where has that gone for us?

Yea, and it's not surprising, considering Wisenhunt is over there, Harbaugh in SF and Pete Carol, who's strength is getting young players amped, is in Seattle. Only the Rams are behind on the defensive stamp, but that will change with Jeff Fisher at the helm. Wow, that's a lot of good defense out there. Since ours is basically connected to a healthy Troy and Harrison being on the field, we are suddenly vulnerable. Big time.

[lloydroid]

The Seahawks were laughingstocks at the draft this year when they reeeeeeeeached for Bruce Irvin the middle of round 1 (I applauded it, because it helped DeCastro fall to us). Sure, Irvin had 2 sacks last night, but Brandon Mebane also had 2 sacks against that putrid Green Bay OL, and Chris Clemons had 4 sacks. The previous year, they reeeeeeeeeached for James Carpenter in round 1 as well. Gimme Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin, and our "cheapskate" owner over John Schneider, Pete Carroll, and their billionaire Microsoft owner any day.

You can point to ANY team and find draft busts. They held the once mighty Packers' O to 12 points. They got something going on that's working. They also embarrassed a decent Dallas club as well. I am not advocating or desiring their front office over ours, just admiring some good players.

[Shoe]

The Seahawks were laughingstocks at the draft this year when they reeeeeeeeached for Bruce Irvin the middle of round 1 (I applauded it, because it helped DeCastro fall to us). Sure, Irvin had 2 sacks last night, but Brandon Mebane also had 2 sacks against that putrid Green Bay OL, and Chris Clemons had 4 sacks. The previous year, they reeeeeeeeeached for James Carpenter in round 1 as well. Gimme Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin, and our "cheapskate" owner over John Schneider, Pete Carroll, and their billionaire Microsoft owner any day.

Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to stockpile talent when you are picking toward the front of the draft every year. Just for the record: I rcecall BUF (and I'm sure another one or two who) started out on fire, only to peter out by Week 16. This year, we have teams like ARZ, SEA, CIN. While I'm sure that ARZ will fall by the wayside (you can't succeed with those bums they have at QB without a DOMINANT D), I DO think CIN is for real this year, and if you put a gun on me--I'd tell you SEA will finish 8-8 give or take a game. People are ALL over the Russell Wilson bandwagon, and I think it's greatly premature. He will hit a rookie wall at some point. And if you just look at his game so far, he's been average AT BEST. (Take away that hail mary last night, and I think he had like 120 yards passing.)

[Chadman]

Can see what Lloyd is getting at. The Stadium thing- not much can be done there. Don't mind HF to be honest- but this comes from the other side of the world- so Chadman's thoughts on HF might not count for much. Thing about the Seattle's & Arizona's at the moment is they look 'fresh'. They are fast, they are willing. They make mistakes... but then just get on with it.

The Steelers playing & coaching group are just looking a little stale. It's almost like they've been at it & have run out of genuine new ideas. Chadman thinks Haley's offense looks promising- if they can get the running game going. But Defense looks like they are doing the same old thing, with the same old guys, over & over.

It's probably time to consider change- be it the coaching, the personnel or the scheme... but something needs a freshen-up. Actually- it could be all 3 need freshening. In Chadman's opinion- the Offense is close to set. They don't need an injection of new young players- they are already there.

The Defense, however, needs a shot in the arm. There are some players there to build around- some that get 'bagged' on here a bit. Not sure our new 'star' players fit the LeBeau Zone Blitz 3-4 Defense as well as the previous occupants of the positions.

Ziggy Hood is more a 4-3 DT than a 3-4 DE. Timmons is more a 4-3 OLB than a 3-4 ILB. Woodley is more a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. Spence is more a 4-3 ILB than a 3-4 ILB. See where Chadman is going here? Worilds would likely benefit from being a strict pass rush DE too.

In fact, if we look at the specific 3-4 type players- Heyward & Ta'amu certainly fit the mold. Harrison to a degree.

What Chadman is getting at is- the future defenders on this team are not necessarily best suited to the current scheme. Might be worth thinking about.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Any how, I would love if we had the backfield Seattle does.

During the prolonged Wallace holdout, I proposed a Mike Wallace and Ryan Clark for Earl Thomas and Doug Baldwin trade.

[BigRob]

Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to stockpile talent when you are picking toward the front of the draft every year.

That's why some say you have to get aggressive and trade up, etc. to make sure you get actual blue chip players. I don't know, but Raven's seem to have drafted extremely well lately from back end of the draft. They stay aggressive.

I'm not saying the Steelers don't draft well, but I think it's time to look at the aging roster and regain some cap space.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Since ours is basically connected to a healthy Troy and Harrison being on the field, we are suddenly vulnerable. Big time.

What happens to any defense when you take the two best players off it?

What would the Niners D look like without Patrick Willis and Justin Smith?

What would the Texans D look like without J.J. Watt and Johnathan Joseph?

The Ravens already lost Terrell Suggs...what if they also lost Haloti Ngata?

The Jets just lost Darrelle Revis...what if they also lost David Harris?

[RuthlessBurgher]

That's why some say you have to get aggressive and trade up, etc. to make sure you get actual blue chip players. I don't know, but Raven's seem to have drafted extremely well lately from back end of the draft. They stay aggressive.

The Ravens traded out of the first round entirely in 2 out of the last 3 drafts.

[lloydroid]

Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to stockpile talent when you are picking toward the front of the draft every year. Just for the record: I rcecall BUF (and I'm sure another one or two who) started out on fire, only to peter out by Week 16. This year, we have teams like ARZ, SEA, CIN. While I'm sure that ARZ will fall by the wayside (you can't succeed with those bums they have at QB without a DOMINANT D), I DO think CIN is for real this year, and if you put a gun on me--I'd tell you SEA will finish 8-8 give or take a game. People are ALL over the Russell Wilson bandwagon, and I think it's greatly premature. He will hit a rookie wall at some point. And if you just look at his game so far, he's been average AT BEST. (Take away that hail mary last night, and I think he had like 120 yards passing.)

Going nearly a full game, with only 7 points on the board, against a suspect GB D, doesn't make me think the QB is all that. And then the other 7 points was a complete gift and not legit. So he really only managed to put up 7 points all game. BUT, I must say, he is fairly impressive for a rookie, in his presence, instincts, etc. He could become a very good NFL QB, even though he is considered short. If a QB can find throwing lanes, he doesn't have to be tall.

[NW Steeler]

The only point I agree with is the comments about Heinz. The only thing special about our field is the play of the team itself. The facility on it's own is bland, below average and don't get me started on the grass.

Century Link is nothing special. The seating is good and the place is loud as hell, but other than that it doesnt hold a candle to Heinz, IMO.

[BigRob]

What happens to any defense when you take the two best players off it?

What would the Niners D look like without Patrick Willis and Justin Smith? What about Aldon Smith, Navarrow Bowman, Ahmad Brooks, Ray Mcdonald?

What would the Texans D look like without J.J. Watt and Johnathan Joseph? What about Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin, Cushman?

The Ravens already lost Terrell Suggs...what if they also lost Haloti Ngata? Have you seen the way Ellerbe, Mclellan have been playing?


These teams have lots of other playmakers to go with them and have shown it.

[Terrible Towlie]

I wish they would have installed more seats and not worried about the open end of the stadium when they built Heinz. When I go to Steeler games I could care less about a view. All I want to see is Steelers football and if they closed that end and added 15,000 more seats, not only would revenue go up, but so would the noise.

We have the best fans in football. Why not put more of them in the stands and make it absolutely totally intimidating to opposing teams. It seems the only thing they talk about Heinz field is the pretty view and the difficulty kicking the football.

[feltdizz]

Russell Wilson is the truth.. I watched him at NC State and Wisconsin... the kid finds ways to win. He's scrappy... has the legs to.get first downs and he just has something special. You don't pay sign Matt Flynn to a 20+ mill contract and then bench him unless you really believe in Russell.

Chadman hit the nail on the head... these teams out west are young and energized. We look stale and I'm sick and tired of hearing about Troy and JH. These guys are no longer dependable.... even with Troy and JH Tebow burned us... we didn't have Clark but that's part of football. We will always be without a player or 2 and if that means an embarrassing loss we need to change the scheme.

People love to talk about the other great defenses who would suffer without their 2 stars but I doubt they would give up 34 points to the Raiders.

[lloydroid]

Can see what Lloyd is getting at. The Stadium thing- not much can be done there. Don't mind HF to be honest- but this comes from the other side of the world- so Chadman's thoughts on HF might not count for much. Thing about the Seattle's & Arizona's at the moment is they look 'fresh'. They are fast, they are willing. They make mistakes... but then just get on with it.

The Steelers playing & coaching group are just looking a little stale. It's almost like they've been at it & have run out of genuine new ideas. Chadman thinks Haley's offense looks promising- if they can get the running game going. But Defense looks like they are doing the same old thing, with the same old guys, over & over.

It's probably time to consider change- be it the coaching, the personnel or the scheme... but something needs a freshen-up. Actually- it could be all 3 need freshening. In Chadman's opinion- the Offense is close to set. They don't need an injection of new young players- they are already there.

The Defense, however, needs a shot in the arm. There are some players there to build around- some that get 'bagged' on here a bit. Not sure our new 'star' players fit the LeBeau Zone Blitz 3-4 Defense as well as the previous occupants of the positions.

Ziggy Hood is more a 4-3 DT than a 3-4 DE. Timmons is more a 4-3 OLB than a 3-4 ILB. Woodley is more a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. Spence is more a 4-3 ILB than a 3-4 ILB. See where Chadman is going here? Worilds would likely benefit from being a strict pass rush DE too.

In fact, if we look at the specific 3-4 type players- Heyward & Ta'amu certainly fit the mold. Harrison to a degree.

What Chadman is getting at is- the future defenders on this team are not necessarily best suited to the current scheme. Might be worth thinking about.

You know, I have to admit, another poster said that our system always requires that dudes playing their college position have to learn a new position is some food for thought. It's like, why do we have a system where we constantly have to "reinvent the wheel" instead of a path that is not as complex? It has served as well, but so did horse buggies in their day, not so much now. Just because the 3-4 has worked, doesn't mean we need to hold onto it forever. The main plus I see is in stealing players that are tweeners, that end up being monsters, mostly taking smallish college ends and turning them into OLBs. That is the real benefit of it. We have got players in this manner such as Joey Porter, Woodley, Gildon, etc. The other place were we get steals is getting ends who are not high picks for 4-3, because they don't really fit at end or DT in regular 4-3, but do work for our system, with ends who are not blazing fast, but instead, soak up the OL men. And most of our NT are not real attractive to teams with 4-3; they are often shorter than they are looking for.

All that being said, I don't know how much longer all the having to make players switch positions et el is really worth it. It makes player evaluation much more difficult; they have to forecast how well a player will make a transition as opposed to just knowing how they have played at their current position in college. We make college DEs have to drop into coverage. How many failed LB picks have they had the last 10 years? Why can't they find more hits? I thought for sure that between Alonzo Jackson, Bruce Davis, Worilds, Sly, Chris Carter, Adibi, etc. they would have found good depth, but none of them are worth spit. When every announcer known to man says, "Once a LB puts on the black and gold, they instantly become great" they don't know what they are talking about. We've had so many of these guys not work out. I would love a 4-3 made up of 4 monsters who got pressure on their own, and enough with "tricky Dick" stuff that's not working. Of course, I say this after the D was #1 again last year, and we are without our two biggest starts on D right now. But, still. It feels stale.

[feltdizz]

I think the open end of the stadiums and the grass field is a huge advantage.

[lloydroid]

I wish they would have installed more seats and not worried about the open end of the stadium when they built Heinz. When I go to Steeler games I could care less about a view. All I want to see is Steelers football and if they closed that end and added 15,000 more seats, not only would revenue go up, but so would the noise.

We have the best fans in football. Why not put more of them in the stands and make it absolutely totally intimidating to opposing teams. It seems the only thing they talk about Heinz field is the pretty view and the difficulty kicking the football.

Totally agree. I have never once said to myself, "Oh, I enjoy gazing at the city skyline" when I was at HF. Never once. I much preferred the confines of 3 Rivers, where there was no view but the noise was much more intense. I have been to HF luxury club and 3 Rivers had nothing like that; it's worth every penny to go that route, especially if you only make it to one game a year like I do (I live 1,500 miles away). Hmmm, now that I say that, I guess it's easy to say because I have never had to pay for those tickets. :D

[lloydroid]

I think the open end of the stadiums and the grass field is a huge advantage.

Not at the expense of not being able to totally drown out the opponent being able to hear the snap count.

[lloydroid]

Century Link is nothing special. The seating is good and the place is loud as hell, but other than that it doesnt hold a candle to Heinz, IMO.

I have never been there, so I don't know for sure, but I do know it's the loudest outdoor stadium and it's new, so it can't be that bad. No one builds a new stadium and makes it crappy.

[DBR96A]

So you don't think Seattle has a rock solid, young core of DBs and a front 4 that puts pressure on without needing blitzes? OK. I'd trade for their backfield in a second. They are all fast, athletic and will bust you in the mouth.

I actually like HF, just fine, except for the open end design and crap field. At 3 Rivers, the crowd could make a huge difference. At HF, not so much. I used to _feel_ the crowd noise through my BODY at 3 Rivers. I don't get that at all at HF. Oh whoopity do; you can view the city skyline from inside HF. F that, Rooneys. I'd rather have a stadium built to help _WIN_, I don't need to view the city when I'm at a Steelers' game. That was a pretty huge mistake. Oh, wait, I can view the city during the game. Who gives an F?

Honestly, I don't have a problem with Heinz Field. I always thought it was strange that you never realized you were half a mile from downtown Pittsburgh when you were in Three Rivers Stadium. Besides, the view is free, nationwide advertising for a city that many people who have never been (or never left either, but that's another topic) still believe is a dying, post-industrial ****hole.

Furthermore, not only did multi-purpose stadiums suck out loud for baseball, but they were overrated for football too. All the seats in Three Rivers Stadium pointed toward the center of the field, so if either team got into the red zone, half the stadium had to twist in their seats to watch the action. Not comfortable. Heinz Field is much better designed.

And if you still don't like the open end, well they're about to close part of it anyway with 3,000 extra seats. As for the grass, I think it's awesome. It ****s the minds of every opponent who plays on it, which creates an extra home-field advantage.



I don't know why admiring another team's bright spots is some kind of Steeler sin.

It's not a Steeler sin; it's a yinzer sin. There's a difference.

[Terrible Towlie]

Honestly, I don't have a problem with Heinz Field. I always thought it was strange that you never realized you were half a mile from downtown Pittsburgh when you were in Three Rivers Stadium. Besides, the view is free, nationwide advertising for a city that many people who have never been (or never left either, but that's another topic) still believe is a dying, post-industrial ****hole.

Furthermore, not only did multi-purpose stadiums suck out loud for baseball, but they were overrated for football too. All the seats in Three Rivers Stadium pointed toward the center of the field, so if either team got into the red zone, half the stadium had to twist in their seats to watch the action. Not comfortable. Heinz Field is much better designed.

And if you still don't like the open end, well they're about to close part of it anyway with 3,000 extra seats. As for the grass, I think it's awesome. It ****s the minds of every opponent who plays on it, which creates an extra home-field advantage.




It's not a Steeler sin; it's a yinzer sin. There's a difference.



I liked hearing about the 3,000 seats. I'm still saying that I want more haha :tt2


The grass dosn't bother me that much, but I wouldn't mind seeing them change it for something that holds up better.

[lloydroid]

I liked hearing about the 3,000 seats. I'm still saying that I want more haha :tt2


The grass dosn't bother me that much, but I wouldn't mind seeing them change it for something that holds up better.

Remember when the sod was so bad, they just slapped another layer of sod on top of it, and then it was so bad that a punt literally just stuck into the ground with no bounce at all? That was a national embarrassment.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Remember when the sod was so bad, they just slapped another layer of sod on top of it, and then it was so bad that a punt literally just stuck into the ground with no bounce at all? That was a national embarrassment.

That was a fluke (an insane amount of rain in the 48 hours prior to kickoff, and although they tried to cover the field, there was some issue with one of the seams on the tarp that covered the field, so WAY TOO MUCH water got through). The groundskeepers seem to have gotten a better handle on taking care of the field now as compared to how it was a decade ago when Heinz first opened. We play on one field until Thanksgiving, then re-sod after the 4 WPIAL championships. That seems to work out much better than some of the experimental stuff that they were trying early on.

[lloydroid]

That was a fluke (an insane amount of rain in the 48 hours prior to kickoff, and although they tried to cover the field, there was some issue with one of the seams on the tarp that covered the field, so WAY TOO MUCH water got through). The groundskeepers seem to have gotten a better handle on taking care of the field now as compared to how it was a decade ago when Heinz first opened. We play on one field until Thanksgiving, then re-sod after the 4 WPIAL championships. That seems to work out much better than some of the experimental stuff that they were trying early on.

Yea, they have got much better at managing the grass. It makes mucho sense to re-sod after the high school games.

[SDSteel1]

Talk to us in January.

[ikestops85]

I don't mind the grass field so much. I do mind that we can't generate the kind of noise that we used to at 3 rivers. I know when they designed the stadium in Seattle Paul Allen had them do a bunch of acoustic checks so that it would be as loud as possible down on the field. That gives the Seahawks a huge advantage when they play at home and the visitors can't hear the audibles. I'm pretty sure they lead the league every year in false starts and delay of game penalties.

[fordfixer]

Yea, they have got much better at managing the grass. It makes mucho sense to re-sod after the high school games.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Pk49mVrUKD0/SPle4A4dPFI/AAAAAAAABAc/O5MNtw77elo/s400/1965_championship.jpg
So am I the only one who misses these day's?

[RuthlessBurgher]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Pk49mVrUKD0/SPle4A4dPFI/AAAAAAAABAc/O5MNtw77elo/s400/1965_championship.jpg
So am I the only one who misses these day's?

Looks like half the Cleveland team is wearing home brown jerseys and the other half is wearing away white jerseys. :brownssuck

[ikestops85]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Pk49mVrUKD0/SPle4A4dPFI/AAAAAAAABAc/O5MNtw77elo/s400/1965_championship.jpg
So am I the only one who misses these day's?

I do miss those days. There used to be nothing better than watch a game played on grass when it was snowing out.