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flippy
09-24-2012, 10:06 AM
Clearly the Pats got robbed last night and the Ravens were given a victory by the rent a refs.

You may also be able to argue the rent a refs took a victory from us giving Oakland a 1st down on a 4th and 2 inside the 5 yard line.

That's a 2 game swing in the division. I hope the Ravens don't sneak past us into the playoffs by 1 or 2 games. That's a lot to overcome. This really is a game of inches.

Oviedo
09-24-2012, 10:10 AM
Our play will hurt us not any ref decisions. If we play like we did yesterday winning the division is laughable. The solution is simple, if we beat the Ravens and Bumgals we will win the division. That has nothing to do with refs...that is all on us.

flippy
09-24-2012, 10:31 AM
Sure, it's totally in our control to win out and make the playoffs. But if we miss out by 1 game to Baltimore which has happened before, the phantom FG the Ravens were gifted could come back to bite us.

williar
09-24-2012, 10:46 AM
I had to turn that game off I was so disgusted with the calls. It was very obvious that anytime the pats got a little momentum going a flag was coming to squash it. I mean, I have seen some bias officiating for the home team but that was some of the worse I have seen.

msp26505
09-24-2012, 10:48 AM
I would submit that while the Steelers poor play is ultimately the issue, the refs actually cost the Steelers dearly at least twice yesterday.

On McFadden's long TD run, Ike was clearly held at about the 40 yard line. Aside from the obvious momentum swing of that play, the fact that there are TWO examples of the Raiders benefiting from missed calls and getting 14 points from them can't be overlooked.

This is the last time I even mention it, though, because I am picturing myself as a walrus as I type this.

msp26505
09-24-2012, 10:52 AM
On the other hand, while I hate to see the Steelers suffer from Baltimore getting calls they shouldn't, we've all seen about a decade of calls go the *'s way, so the cheats have more than their share of bad karma coming their way.

Iron Shiek
09-24-2012, 10:53 AM
I'm not blaming the refs for the loss or anything. But another game changing instance was when Ziggy got hurt. He was engaged with an OL and another OL came in and chopped his knee. I believe that's a 15 yard penalty (and if I'm not mistaken the Raiders got a 1st down on that 3rd down play, so it would've been 3rd and longer).

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
09-24-2012, 10:54 AM
What I have taken from these officials is that there is a definite advantage to the home team. I chalk it up to home crowd intimidation. Ravens played at home and got the benefits of the calls, Steelers on the road did not.

Slapstick
09-24-2012, 11:35 AM
The refs not calling anything on the most penalized team in the NFL (over the last two years) hurt the Steelers more...

Also, I don't buy the home team intimidation...the Steelers were penalized 3 more times for 44 more yards than the Jest last week...

NorthCoast
09-24-2012, 12:44 PM
I am not going to even go here. Complaining about refs is for other teams and fans. The Steelers defense was manhandled by a lesser team. It happens, just disappointed it seems to be happening more frequently.

Starlifter
09-24-2012, 01:36 PM
all refs miss calls. all refs get some calls flat out wrong. scab refs miss calls because they don't know the rules. that's unacceptable. anyone else see how douchebag #2 (west coast harbough) talked the scabs into a review when he was out of timeouts?

obviously someone is going to win the superbowl. understand however these scabs are directly affecting the chances teams will get to COMPETE for that superbowl.

Steelgal
09-24-2012, 02:02 PM
first of all let me say I did not watch any of the Rats/Pats game last night. I couldn't stomach it after the loss to the raiders. But from reading this, it seems as if the Rats got more calls their way, which honestly doesn't shock me. However on a Rats board, one guy feels differently.

The officiating was horrible in every game I watched yesterday. In our game, it was atrocious as well. Both teams were helped and hurt by it, but I still think the Ravens got the worst of it. I know that some will point out the pair of "phantom" holds on the Pats as being key, but I've watched both replays, and I think that while they could have not thrown flags, there definitely were holds. The first one, on a 2nd and 14, Torrey Smith has his facemask grabbed and pulled down at the five yard mark, and it also appears that McCourty has his hand on his back, maybe grabbing some jersey as the ball sails past. Not sure which part of it, or both, they were calling, but a flag should have been thrown for the facemask grab for sure. The other one, where Pitta is held coming off the LOS, was legit too. You are allowed contact, but you're not allowed to hold, which is what took place. Maybe the regular refs don't throw the flags, but IMO I think they would have. Other than those two calls, it seemed to me that the Ravens were getting the brunt of the bad calls, especially that hit Reed put on Branch. At first it looked like a good call, but seeing the replay, that was a textbook clean hit, despite it's violence.

Man, I can't stand Rats fans... Even in winning, they're griping about the officials.

flippy
09-24-2012, 02:25 PM
first of all let me say I did not watch any of the Rats/Pats game last night. I couldn't stomach it after the loss to the raiders. But from reading this, it seems as if the Rats got more calls their way, which honestly doesn't shock me. However on a Rats board, one guy feels differently.

The officiating was horrible in every game I watched yesterday. In our game, it was atrocious as well. Both teams were helped and hurt by it, but I still think the Ravens got the worst of it. I know that some will point out the pair of "phantom" holds on the Pats as being key, but I've watched both replays, and I think that while they could have not thrown flags, there definitely were holds. The first one, on a 2nd and 14, Torrey Smith has his facemask grabbed and pulled down at the five yard mark, and it also appears that McCourty has his hand on his back, maybe grabbing some jersey as the ball sails past. Not sure which part of it, or both, they were calling, but a flag should have been thrown for the facemask grab for sure. The other one, where Pitta is held coming off the LOS, was legit too. You are allowed contact, but you're not allowed to hold, which is what took place. Maybe the regular refs don't throw the flags, but IMO I think they would have. Other than those two calls, it seemed to me that the Ravens were getting the brunt of the bad calls, especially that hit Reed put on Branch. At first it looked like a good call, but seeing the replay, that was a textbook clean hit, despite it's violence.

Man, I can't stand Rats fans... Even in winning, they're griping about the officials.

To be even clearer, the FG at the end of the game was wide right. But the ref called it good. From the angle on tv, the left edge of the ball was directly over the right upright. But it was at an angle, so the ball had to be a little outside of the goal post. The officiating was bad the whole game. I think they said the Pats were penalized 30 times. It was insanely lopsided. I hate both teams, but I started feeling bad for the Pats and hating the Ravens more last night.

But the game was decided on the last FG that was clearly missed. But the ref said it was good.

Why do they review every scoring play except FGs? They need to stop saying they review all scoring plays. Because they don't review FGs. And that should be the easiest play to review.

Even though the Pats got jobbed. I hope Billy B gets Sean Payton'd for the season for grabbing a ref.

And I bet that if we could have seen the kick straight on, it woulda missed by a lot. Because Vince Wilfolk was going nuts on the official.

srk173
09-24-2012, 02:58 PM
something i forgot about that my father brought up today was the 15 yrd penalty on the raiders on the brown fumble touchdown fiasco was to be assessed on the kick off. It was not and that was the return that they brought out to the 40 or 50. any kicker can kick out of the endzone when given an extra 15. so a drive that should have started at their own 20 gave them great field position due to the refs.

Starlifter
09-24-2012, 04:54 PM
something i forgot about that my father brought up today was the 15 yrd penalty on the raiders on the brown fumble touchdown fiasco was to be assessed on the kick off. It was not and that was the return that they brought out to the 40 or 50. any kicker can kick out of the endzone when given an extra 15. so a drive that should have started at their own 20 gave them great field position due to the refs.

i'll have to watch the game again. I didn't realize they failed to assess the penalty. i was screaming at the TV because I thought even with another 15 yards 'swishy' failed to kick it out of the end zone. that's a monumental fail on these scabs.

fordfixer
09-24-2012, 10:23 PM
Our play will hurt us not any ref decisions. If we play like we did yesterday winning the division is laughable. The solution is simple, if we beat the Ravens and Bumgals we will win the division. That has nothing to do with refs...that is all on us.

If we play like we did yesterday beating the Browns is in question:HeadBanger:HeadBanger:HeadBanger

papillon
09-24-2012, 11:10 PM
The kick was good it went over the pole. Now, had the pole been taller and the ball hit the pole it probably would have bounced out, but the pole wasn't taller and the kick was good. The refs tried to hand the game to the Pats on the drive prior to that one when they took the interception away from the Ravens. That was a good defensive play, but the refs called interference and gave the Pats a 1st down, Brady didn't capitalize and the Pats punted and then Flacco and company did capitalize.

Geesh, please, the only thing keeping the Steelers from getting where they want to be at the end of the season is the Steelers. If you play a game and only the defense shows up (Denver) you lose, if you play a game and only the offense shows up (Raiders) you lose, if you play a game and both offense and defense show up, you kick @ss (Jets) and win. It's still in the Steelers hands, but they need to start being consistent.

Pappy

DukieBoy
09-24-2012, 11:19 PM
The kick was good it went over the pole. Now, had the pole been taller and the ball hit the pole it probably would have bounced out, but the pole wasn't taller and the kick was good. The refs tried to hand the game to the Pats on the drive prior to that one when they took the interception away from the Ravens. That was a good defensive play, but the refs called interference and gave the Pats a 1st down, Brady didn't capitalize and the Pats punted and then Flacco and company did capitalize.

Geesh, please, the only thing keeping the Steelers from getting where they want to be at the end of the season is the Steelers. If you play a game and only the defense shows up (Denver) you lose, if you play a game and only the offense shows up (Raiders) you lose, if you play a game and both offense and defense show up, you kick @ss (Jets) and win. It's still in the Steelers hands, but they need to start being consistent.

Pappy


Truth by Pappy. Steelers must take responsibility, not disempower themselves by blaming anyone else or anything else.

SDSteel1
09-24-2012, 11:40 PM
The refs always suck, whether they be the regulars or the new ones, the kick was good and it's not reviewable but it just has to fly over the upright...which it did. I think it's kind of funny that normally in most forums prior to the replacement refs, saying the refs screwed your team was normally met by 15 posts saying "it ain't the refs, we were ultimately responsible", but now the media has the balls to comment on every call the fans have taken it a step further.

I just hope everyone continues to bash the officiating if and when the other crappy guys come back, Belichek and Harbaugh should both be suspended for their actions last night also.

D Rock
09-24-2012, 11:53 PM
I don't care what you think of the replacement refs and how they affect the Steelers...go try and be a Packers player, coach, or fan right now.

RuthlessBurgher
09-24-2012, 11:58 PM
I don't care what you think of the replacement refs and how they affect the Steelers...go try and be a Packers player, coach, or fan right now.

That was a downright embarrassing display by the officials tonight. To call that NFL is a joke.

D Rock
09-25-2012, 12:13 AM
That was a downright embarrassing display by the officials tonight. To call that NFL is a joke.

I don't watch college football because I find it to be sloppy and difficult to watch.

Welcome to Roger Goodell's new NFL.

SDSteel1
09-25-2012, 12:14 AM
Same as always, just getting the media attention now. The replay refs are the full time guys. By rule the receiver had his hands on the ball and there was dual possesion....it could go either way, and seattle never let go. Hey at least it a fair playing field now, the Pats and the Pac both lost on calls that they normally win on.

To answer that question, officials referred to the NFL Rulebook, specifically rule 8, section 1, article 3, item 5 (there are a lot of rules in that book; it's about 10 times as long as the United States Constitution):

If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.

In less-Hochulian terms: You know the "tie goes to the runner" rule in baseball? Simultaneous catch is the football equivalent. If two guys come down with the ball, somebody has to be credited with a catch and it might as well be the team that already has possession. It's a rule of convenience and common sense.

D Rock
09-25-2012, 12:21 AM
The issue is that the two officials looked at each other and then made opposite calls simultaneously. In a situation that is so clearly debatable they need to do just that...talk about it and make a call both officials agree on.

It's not the 'speed of the game' plays or the questionable calls that is the problem, because yeah, the regular refs have the same issues there...it's the way the new refs handle the game and game situations that is a clear issue.

Slapstick
09-25-2012, 02:46 AM
Same as always, just getting the media attention now.

No, that's not it.

I don't even have cable, so I don't watch SportsCenter or Total Access or any of that crap. I don't even watch pregame or postgame shows. The only things I watch are the games themselves, so I am not overexposed to the media coverage...

The replacement refs are, in fact, much worse than the regular refs...not only in the area of missed calls/non-calls-that-should-be-called, but they are lacking in their knowledge of the rules and are unable to control the game...

The fact that regulation games taking almost four hours is becoming commonplace rather than a rarity is a reflection on the refs...

The refs are also allowing some players to get away with more, which eventually leads to other players being hurt...what happened to Ziggy is a prime example...the refs called nothing on the Raiders, so players pushed the envelope and got away with a blatant chop block...

It has become pathetic...

flippy
09-25-2012, 04:37 AM
The refs are also allowing some players to get away with more

But we don't seem to be taking advantage of this. CBs really seem to be the ones getting away with the most. The 5 yard contact rule has morphed into the 10 yard contact. Heck contact seems to be tolerated more in general. I kinda like it. Let the players play.

But the Steelers CBs aren't taking advantage. And we've got 3 big DBs that should be hitting anyone coming off the LOS.

Slapstick
09-25-2012, 06:19 AM
But we don't seem to be taking advantage of this. CBs really seem to be the ones getting away with the most. The 5 yard contact rule has morphed into the 10 yard contact. Heck contact seems to be tolerated more in general. I kinda like it. Let the players play.

But the Steelers CBs aren't taking advantage. And we've got 3 big DBs that should be hitting anyone coming off the LOS.

Ike has gotten away with quite a bit, as has Keenan Lewis...

But, the Steelers haven't tried anything cheap like an illegal chop block to my knowledge...

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
09-25-2012, 10:40 AM
something i forgot about that my father brought up today was the 15 yrd penalty on the raiders on the brown fumble touchdown fiasco was to be assessed on the kick off. It was not and that was the return that they brought out to the 40 or 50. any kicker can kick out of the endzone when given an extra 15. so a drive that should have started at their own 20 gave them great field position due to the refs.

Incorrect. The penalty was assessed and the kickoff led to a touchback.




2-11-OAK 11 (1:32) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short right to 84-A.Brown to OAK 1 for 10 yards (52-P.Wheeler). FUMBLES (52-P.Wheeler), and recovers at OAK 0. TOUCHDOWN. PENALTY on OAK-93-T.Kelly, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs. The Replay Assistant challenged the loose ball recovery ruling, and the play was Upheld.
6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-D.Butler.
PIT 31 OAK 21 Plays: 8 Possession: 5:04
Oakland Raiders at 01:31
6-S.Suisham kicks 58 yards from 50 to OAK -8. 25-M.Goodson, Touchback.

srk173
09-25-2012, 07:39 PM
ya with as fast as the raiders were scoring there I must have gotten them confused.