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Jigawatts
09-23-2012, 08:17 PM
I'm curious what Ben was all upset about. He ran up to the ref complaining about something. Any ideas?

pittpete
09-23-2012, 08:33 PM
Possible horse collar tackle is what I thought.

winwithd
09-23-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm curious what Ben was all upset about. He ran up to the ref complaining about something. Any ideas?

It looked to me in the replay like a Raider had a hand inside the shirt collar right before the ball came out. I dont know if a horse-collar negates a fumble or not. Thats the only thing I can think of.

What bugs me is Brown's obvious lack of concern for ball security. He was too focused on being "the man" and let the team down. That is Vick's problem too. Eagles probably lead the league in TO's. What I wonder is if we will have any takeaways in that game.

pittpete
09-23-2012, 08:37 PM
I don't think AB was trying to be the man.
Just trying to create a play knowing the defense would just let them score again

chiken
09-23-2012, 09:44 PM
c'mon guys. Saying that Brown ruined it for the Team because he was Trying to be the man? Thats a bit unfair. The young man was trying to make the most of an opportunity. He was in there fighting.. Was he a bit Careless, perhaps but the kid works hard and was trying really hard for the team, not for himself.

We absolutely want these guys to be play Makers and they will be.. Today was just a tough day at the office (for the offense, especially for Brown) There is not a selfish bone in any of our Offensive guys - they are all willing to share the glory (At least on the field)

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-23-2012, 10:20 PM
c'mon guys. Saying that Brown ruined it for the Team because he was Trying to be the man? Thats a bit unfair. The young man was trying to make the most of an opportunity. He was in there fighting.. Was he a bit Careless, perhaps but the kid works hard and was trying really hard for the team, not for himself.

We absolutely want these guys to be play Makers and they will be.. Today was just a tough day at the office (for the offense, especially for Brown) There is not a selfish bone in any of our Offensive guys - they are all willing to share the glory (At least on the field)

Chiken, I agree with you, but I think it would be an easier sell if AB didn't do the 15 yard strut towards the other goal line every time he makes a decent catch, while the rest of the team is hustling back to the huddle.

I blame coaching for not completely and immediately putting a stop to that. I think I remember Cowher dragging a rookie off the field by the ear when he started prancing, saying "We don't do that kind of thing here, son".

Like I said, I think you're spot on in what you wrote, but if AB acted a little bit more like HM after a nice catch, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation!

winwithd
09-23-2012, 10:33 PM
We had been moving the ball. We had the lead. The defense is struggling. There is no need to have to score on that play.

At the very least it was not smart football. And he did it on the TD too only he was lucky enough to recover that one.

I dont like Wallace flopping to the ground at first contact but that is preferable to losing the ball, especially in that situation. Sometimes guys get over-inflated ideas of themselves when they are talented and think they can do it all, and subsequently dont play smart. Vick does it a lot. I'd just hate to see AB be one of those guys.

And someone should tell Dwyer that you need to hold onto the ball until you are on the ground. It looked like he was trying to do one of his 'fold like a house of cards when you see contact coming' flops when he let that one go. I glad they got him out of there if he not willing to work hard. He has shown he can do some things if he is willing to play hard. But he didnt today.

DukieBoy
09-23-2012, 10:36 PM
I hold Brown in high regard.
That fumble turned the game.
I am certain that he will improve from it.
But this game is lost and it's whole a team loss.

stopplayn
09-23-2012, 10:41 PM
Chiken, I agree with you, but I think it would be an easier sell if AB didn't do the 15 yard strut towards the other goal line every time he makes a decent catch, while the rest of the team is hustling back to the huddle.

I blame coaching for not completely and immediately putting a stop to that. I think I remember Cowher dragging a rookie off the field by the ear when he started prancing, saying "We don't do that kind of thing here, son".

Like I said, I think you're spot on in what you wrote, but if AB acted a little bit more like HM after a nice catch, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation!






Cowher didnt stop Bettis from Doing it, nor Willie or Tone. Cowher couldnt even stop Porter from running his big mouth. Cowher couldnt control Ben. Cowher started Kordell for years. Cowher choked so many home games at home.
Cowher.....................

winwithd
09-23-2012, 10:45 PM
I agree it is a team loss. And I like the kid too. I sure hope he learns from it. But some guys don't seem to, ie DeSean Jackson, Mike Vick. That running around and going backwards with the ball flailing around out there is for the birds. I prefer the Hines Wards method of wrapping it up with both arms and going forward, especially in that situation with the lead. But I agree there is plenty of blame to go around in this one.

I wonder if LeBeau got into the 'prevent' defense mode of thinking since they had a 10 point lead, no need to take any risks.

chiken
09-23-2012, 10:48 PM
This was a tough tough loss.. I am sure the kid is Distraught enough over it and I am sure after these 2 weeks to stew in this he will come back with a bit more attention to detail.. but Man I hope he doesn't lose that Cockiness.. though i understand some of us hating the Peacock Strut but I am sure it fires up our fans, the offense and I possibly even the struggling Defense... Childish maybe - but we have a long list of Greats that had a little something "Extra" after doing something on the field.. We love that stuff (its not like we were down 15 at the time.. we were up, we were driving and He was feeling the moment.. )

DukieBoy
09-23-2012, 10:49 PM
I agree it is a team loss. And I like the kid too. I sure hope he learns from it. But some guys don't seem to, ie DeSean Jackson, Mike Vick. That running around and going backwards with the ball flailing around out there is for the birds. I prefer the Hines Wards method of wrapping it up with both arms and going forward, especially in that situation with the lead. But I agree there is plenty of blame to go around in this one.

I wonder if LeBeau got into the 'prevent' defense mode of thinking since they had a 10 point lead, no need to take any risks.


The Prevent Defense is like an Entitlement Program for our opponents. I'd rather go down aggressive than giving it all away.

NorthCoast
09-23-2012, 11:04 PM
I happen to like the emotion Brown brings to the team. I wish the defense could find a player that can get fired up about his game.