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Steelhere10
09-23-2012, 08:14 PM
Or lack thereof ,Only sending four while Palmer is eating them alive! Just AWFUL . If you don't this guy is at the end of his ropes then i think something is wrong...

pittpete
09-23-2012, 08:16 PM
Todays loss is mainly on Lebeau IMO.
Nothing further to say.
The fumbles and penalties didnt help either.

Eddie Spaghetti
09-23-2012, 08:17 PM
when does it become the players fault?

I'm not seeing many guys win any 1 on 1 battles.

SteelBucks
09-23-2012, 08:18 PM
Here we go.....only 2 weeks of this stuff.

Steelgal
09-23-2012, 08:25 PM
Loss is on the entire defense IMO, players and coaches. When the 0-2 Raiders score 34 points on you, it's bad. Yes, the offense had stupid penalties and a turnover, but They made their running game and Palmer look all-pro.

Steelhere10
09-23-2012, 08:25 PM
Tune in to Black N Gold radio.. They talking about this defense now!

Steelgal
09-23-2012, 08:25 PM
Not to mention the horrific special teams play.

phillyesq
09-23-2012, 08:28 PM
when does it become the players fault?

I'm not seeing many guys win any 1 on 1 battles.

That's an excellent point. The defense needed somebody to step up and make a big play. Nothing. The Steelers blitzed, but got no pressure. Still no plays in coverage.

pittpete
09-23-2012, 08:28 PM
Offense had 2 turnovers, Dwyer fumbled

SteelBucks
09-23-2012, 08:30 PM
It'd be nice to see Clark and Troy on the field at the same time. Can't do anything but help. Also, Carter is no Harrison.

SteelBucks
09-23-2012, 08:33 PM
That's an excellent point. The defense needed somebody to step up and make a big play. Nothing. The Steelers blitzed, but got no pressure. Still no plays in coverage.

I've been saying this since Denver. Everyone wants to jump on the coaches, maybe it's talent. I'm hoping Harrison and Troy can help stabilize this defense because its lousy right now.

Oviedo
09-23-2012, 08:58 PM
Funny, but predictable. When Arians was here it was always his fault. When LeBeau proves to put out another major failure the question is then asked "when are the players responsible and we hear about what the defense did in the past?"

Time to quit making excuses and living in the past. LeBeau is no longer aggressive and he has lost it. Our defense is predictable. He calls the defensive plays not the players and he is calling a passive game most of the time now. The signs that the defense was getting to this have been there for two years if anyone really wanted to see them.

birtikidis
09-23-2012, 09:03 PM
Arians never had to work without his top two players. How would our offense have looked without Ben and Wallace? Our defense did not play well but neither did the offense.

Oviedo
09-23-2012, 09:06 PM
Arians never had to work without his top two players. How would our offense have looked without Ben and Wallace? Our defense did not play well but neither did the offense.

No Arians just had to do it without a real NFL offensive line. This is not defending Arians it is just illustrating that all coaches have to go when it is clear they will never make substantive changes. Arians went and...

birtikidis
09-23-2012, 09:16 PM
No Arians just had to do it without a real NFL offensive line. This is not defending Arians it is just illustrating that all coaches have to go when it is clear they will never make substantive changes. Arians went and...
You're the one that brought him up. It's just my opinion but it's tough to be aggressive hen you're missing two of your best players on defense, and one of the backups barely had a preseason bc of injury (worlds). I look at the players. Where's woodley? What's with the tackling?

Ghost
09-23-2012, 09:17 PM
F Fouts. He was openly rooting against the Steelers. He's another old time player who's team wasn't good or had to deal with being in the Shadow of Steelers greatness and can't past it.

As for the game - The Raiders put more up today than the first 2 games combined. The scored 13 on Miami. The Steelers D was an embarrassment today.

birtikidis
09-23-2012, 09:17 PM
No Arians just had to do it without a real NFL offensive line. This is not defending Arians it is just illustrating that all coaches have to go when it is clear they will never make substantive changes. Arians went and...
And as bad as that o line was, Arians still refused to go with a full back. And he never lost a star player

Eddie Spaghetti
09-23-2012, 09:18 PM
no coach looks good when his players are getting whipped.

anybody see timmons playing today?

dude makes a lot of coin for 3 tackles a game.

birtikidis
09-23-2012, 09:19 PM
F Fouts. He was openly rooting against the Steelers. He's another old time player who's team wasn't good or had to deal with being in the Shadow of Steelers greatness and can't past it.

As for the game - The Raiders put more up today than the first 2 games combined. The scored 13 on Miami. The Steelers D was an embarrassment today.
I thought all aspects were embarrassing. We were trying to give he game away. How many fumbles did we have? How many penalties. How many key mistakes did we have

phillyesq
09-23-2012, 09:22 PM
Time to quit making excuses and living in the past. LeBeau is no longer aggressive and he has lost it. Our defense is predictable. He calls the defensive plays not the players and he is calling a passive game most of the time now. The signs that the defense was getting to this have been there for two years if anyone really wanted to see them.

He was bringing extra guys. Ultimately, somebody needs to make a play.

Ziggy Hood may be the worst pick first round draft pick the Steelers have made since Troy Edwards. He and Woodley were facing a replacement at RT and got nothing done in crunch time.

pittpete
09-23-2012, 09:25 PM
Ziggy Hood may be the worst pick first round draft pick the Steelers have made since Troy Edwards.

Ziggy is/was getting pushed around like a ragdoll this year

Ghost
09-23-2012, 09:27 PM
I thought all aspects were embarrassing. We were trying to give he game away. How many fumbles did we have? How many penalties. How many key mistakes did we have

But they still put up 31 points. The Raiders scored 14 and then 13 points the last 2 games. The D looked like a bunch of high school kids out there. Not making excuses fro poor O play but they still scored more than it should have required to beat an 0-2 team that's looked horrendous so far.

Jooser
09-23-2012, 09:29 PM
Time to get Heyward and Ta'amu some PT. I'd make the starters earn it. But right now, no one's job looks secure on the D.

NorthCoast
09-23-2012, 10:18 PM
no coach looks good when his players are getting whipped.

anybody see timmons playing today?

dude makes a lot of coin for 3 tackles a game.

sad, but true. a lot of people blamed Timmons poor season last year to playing out of position. I say he is simply not very good at the point of attack. He is OK in space, but he can't seem to release from his blockers. The lack of players not winning one-on-one battles is true for both offense and defense.

birtikidis
09-23-2012, 10:28 PM
But they still put up 31 points. The Raiders scored 14 and then 13 points the last 2 games. The D looked like a bunch of high school kids out there. Not making excuses fro poor O play but they still scored more than it should have required to beat an 0-2 team that's looked horrendous so far.
That 30!yd td drive after the fumble helped. The nick punt return helped. There wasn't any aspect that I was happy about. Especially he run offense. Dwyer is ft and slow and h hits the hole like my little sister

Shoe
09-23-2012, 11:46 PM
It'd be nice to see Clark and Troy on the field at the same time. Can't do anything but help. Also, Carter is no Harrison.

He11 yeah! I was touting this guy so much too... I would rather have ESPN's Cris Carter out there right now than this Chris Carter. At least we'd have a chance at an interception, with his hands.

I would prefer Chris Evert, Gary Carter, Jimmy Carter, Christopher Reeves. This guy is a f'n piece of horse manure.

ikestops85
09-24-2012, 04:32 PM
I think the defense played lousy. The offense, even with the mistakes, played great. This loss goes to the defense and it's coaches ... DL included. Now, I do think it is funny that people keep thinking we are not trying to bring pressure. We are trying ... I saw us send 6 guys on a couple of plays. Not one of them penetrated more than 3 yards from the LOS. Like someone before me said, we are not winning the one on one battles. We are going to have to send 7 guys and hope that the QB doesn't pick out the right receiver to throw the ball to.

I don't recall hearing one defensive lineman's name called for making a play the entire game. Keisel is getting his arse knocked 5 yards down the field. So far this year he has reminded me of what Aaron Smith looked like last year ... horrible. Does Hampton play? Not only didn't I hear his name called but I never saw him in a play. If he isn't playing what in the hell happened to McClendon? The last time I saw the Steelers defense play so bad it was under Tim Lewis. I don't want those days to come back. :HeadBanger

Not to let Tomlin get by unscathed but on the play that Oakland dumped the ball to the back who scurried for 20 some yards to get them in chip shot FG position Tomlin was the one who called the defense ... not DL. Before the play Tomlin was talking to the defense and after the play you could see Tomlin patting his chest and then pointing to LeBeau and seemed to be mouthing "that is on me".

I think many of us realize that our defense isn't good if we can't pressure the QB. This game was a perfect example of that. If we can't figure anything out soon then this is going to be a long season.

Dee Dub
09-24-2012, 05:01 PM
Todays loss is mainly on Lebeau IMO.
Nothing further to say.
The fumbles and penalties didnt help either.

I dont agree. And this comes from a guy who has been critical of LeBeau the past couple of years for changing his philosophy. Yesterday LeBeau had one play maker (Woodley), on the entire defense. And because of the fact that his secondary cannot cover, he was forced to have that one play maker drop in coverage most of the game. I can't blame LeBeau when he is left with very little talent on the field. James Harrison and Troy Polamalu make a huge difference playing and not playing for this team.

lloydroid
09-24-2012, 05:08 PM
Funny, but predictable. When Arians was here it was always his fault. When LeBeau proves to put out another major failure the question is then asked "when are the players responsible and we hear about what the defense did in the past?"

Time to quit making excuses and living in the past. LeBeau is no longer aggressive and he has lost it. Our defense is predictable. He calls the defensive plays not the players and he is calling a passive game most of the time now. The signs that the defense was getting to this have been there for two years if anyone really wanted to see them.

Maybe he is calling conservative because he knows what will happen without extra coverage and our DBs out there: toastville. It could be he has zero confidence in our guys' cover skills.

Steelhere10
09-24-2012, 06:36 PM
I dont agree. And this comes from a guy who has been critical of LeBeau the past couple of years for changing his philosophy. Yesterday LeBeau had one play maker (Woodley), on the entire defense. And because of the fact that his secondary cannot cover, he was forced to have that one play maker drop in coverage most of the game. I can't blame LeBeau when he is left with very little talent on the field. James Harrison and Troy Polamalu make a huge difference playing and not playing for this team. This is where you are wrong.... Tell me one person Wood could cover other than Redman, He should be rushing every play NO EXCUSE!

Dee Dub
09-24-2012, 06:57 PM
This is where you are wrong.... Tell me one person Wood could cover other than Redman, He should be rushing every play NO EXCUSE!

Maybe you should re-read my post again? You obviously didnt understand it. My point isnt about whether or not Woodley could cover or not. It is how he is being used. If he was able to simply pin his ears back and rush the QB 70-80% time he'd make a lot more plays. But he is being asked to drop in coverage more than 50% time now. This isnt being done because he is good at covering. It's out of necessity.

Slapstick
09-24-2012, 06:58 PM
Maybe you should re-read my post again? You obviously didnt understand it. My point isnt about whether or not Woodley could cover or not. It is how he is being used. If he was able to simply pin his ears back and rush the QB 70-80% time he'd make a lot more plays. But he is being asked to drop in coverage more than 50% time now. This isnt being done because he is good at covering. It's out of necessity.

Also, the fact that he was being mugged on almost every play that he rushed and it was uncalled makes it less attractive to rush him...

feltdizz
09-24-2012, 07:33 PM
Arians never had to work without his top two players. How would our offense have looked without Ben and Wallace? Our defense did not play well but neither did the offense.

Arians had to do it without Ben for 4 games... we survived. He had to do it without Pouncey, with Sean Mahan at Center, without Mendenhall...

he never had to do it without his top 2 but he dealt with way more injuries IMO. Troy and JH are hurt so much DL should have a better game plan in place.