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SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-16-2012, 11:48 PM
I always forget to focus on them during the game ... I don't remember too many false starts (Colon must have been under the weather or something), but Ben did have to scramble hard 2 or 3 times, seems like they did ok overall to me ... any one want to give them a grade?

DBR96A
09-17-2012, 12:19 AM
They did a better job in pass protection than they did in run blocking.

Starlifter
09-17-2012, 12:22 AM
they completed the game without injury and ben for the most part stayed clean. it appeared the jets were executing a lot of run blitzes, many which were successful. nevertheless we ran enough to keep them honest and gave ben enough time to find the open WR's. I'd grade today as a solid B.

Oviedo
09-17-2012, 08:12 AM
Run blocking is still work in progress. Ben made the pass blocking look better than it was. Overall it was a "C" game for the OL.

steelfin
09-17-2012, 11:24 AM
Obviously they played well enough to win...but....

The running game needs help.

Short passes have allowed us to keep Ben healthy.

Way too much contact behind the line of scrimmage.

The OL needs to continue to improve and hopefully will as the season progresses.

flippy
09-17-2012, 12:41 PM
On pace for 64 sacks. Helping out backs get 2 YPC. Getting everyone hit in the backfield.

Oviedo
09-17-2012, 12:50 PM
On pace for 64 sacks. Helping out backs get 2 YPC. Getting everyone hit in the backfield.

Still way too much penetration of the interior of the OL. Everyone got beat yesterday. We know Foster isn't the answer, but is Pouncey more hype than performance? Is Colon still learning?

For a new thought, is Kugler the problem? We all, me included, praised Kugler a couple of years ago but the OL is still marginal and we absorb an extremely high number of injuries. Thoughts?

BigRob
09-17-2012, 01:26 PM
I still think this OL has some real potential if they can stay healthy. Once we get Castro in the line-up and he gets his feet under him, I think we can be good.

One thing I like about this year, it seems like we are going to be able to get and peak at the right time if everyone can get and stay healthy.

RuthlessBurgher
09-17-2012, 02:02 PM
Still way too much penetration of the interior of the OL. Everyone got beat yesterday. We know Foster isn't the answer, but is Pouncey more hype than performance? Is Colon still learning?

For a new thought, is Kugler the problem? We all, me included, praised Kugler a couple of years ago but the OL is still marginal and we absorb an extremely high number of injuries. Thoughts?

I think formations are giving away our intentions too much. Lining up 3 TE's next to each other on the end of the line then attempting to run behind them over and over (had to be a half dozen times at least) is moronically stupid. Leonard Pope and David Paulson scare no one. The speed of our wideouts scare everyone. Why keep our WR's on the bench in favor of multiple TE packages? I think the reason that Ben is so good on 3rd down is because that is the only time that he has Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Heath, and a single RB at his disposal. If we used that formation more on 1st and 2nd down as well, we could pass and run out of it as well. The oppositon is forced to play nickel against our 3-wide set, and the safeties have to play deep in order to respect our deep speed. That means that there are only 6 men in the box for our 5 OL and Heath to block if we want to run. That is much better than bringing in more crappy TE's on the line so that the defense has 9 men stacked in the box against us (shocking that we can't run for 3 yards a carry when we have a steady dose of this as our routine run formation).

hawaiiansteel
09-17-2012, 02:16 PM
I think formations are giving away our intentions too much. Lining up 3 TE's next to each other on the end of the line then attempting to run behind them over and over (had to be a half dozen times at least) is moronically stupid. Leonard Pope and David Paulson scare no one. The speed of our wideouts scare everyone. Why keep our WR's on the bench in favor of multiple TE packages? I think the reason that Ben is so good on 3rd down is because that is the only time that he has Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Heath, and a single RB at his disposal. If we used that formation more on 1st and 2nd down as well, we could pass and run out of it as well. The oppositon is forced to play nickel against our 3-wide set, and the safeties have to play deep in order to respect our deep speed. That means that there are only 6 men in the box for our 5 OL and Heath to block if we want to run. That is much better than bringing in more crappy TE's on the line so that the defense has 9 men stacked in the box against us (shocking that we can't run for 3 yards a carry when we have a steady dose of this as our routine run formation).


I completely agree, with Revis out I really expected us to run some 4 WR formations and instead we ran 3 TE ones?

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-17-2012, 02:40 PM
^ ^ Were we just running out the clock, or using the run to set up the pass?

Slapstick
09-17-2012, 02:51 PM
I think formations are giving away our intentions too much. Lining up 3 TE's next to each other on the end of the line then attempting to run behind them over and over (had to be a half dozen times at least) is moronically stupid. Leonard Pope and David Paulson scare no one. The speed of our wideouts scare everyone. Why keep our WR's on the bench in favor of multiple TE packages? I think the reason that Ben is so good on 3rd down is because that is the only time that he has Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Heath, and a single RB at his disposal. If we used that formation more on 1st and 2nd down as well, we could pass and run out of it as well. The oppositon is forced to play nickel against our 3-wide set, and the safeties have to play deep in order to respect our deep speed. That means that there are only 6 men in the box for our 5 OL and Heath to block if we want to run. That is much better than bringing in more crappy TE's on the line so that the defense has 9 men stacked in the box against us (shocking that we can't run for 3 yards a carry when we have a steady dose of this as our routine run formation).

I can only figure that it was something that Haley saw on tape...Buffalo ran for 195 yards on the Jest last week...they shored up their run D by run blitzing quite a bit...

Last week, against the Yonkos, the Steelers were in 3 WR formations for most of the game...

ikestops85
09-17-2012, 05:20 PM
Still way too much penetration of the interior of the OL. Everyone got beat yesterday. We know Foster isn't the answer, but is Pouncey more hype than performance? Is Colon still learning?

For a new thought, is Kugler the problem? We all, me included, praised Kugler a couple of years ago but the OL is still marginal and we absorb an extremely high number of injuries. Thoughts?

I agree with everything you said. The penetration the Jets got on running plays was unbelieveable.

Pouncey did not look as good last year as he did as a rookie. This year so far he looks worse. I've seen him walked into the backfield on numerous plays. I thought Colon and Pouncey would give us some nice push on the left side for us to get some of those tough 1 and 2 yards pickups that we need occasionally. That hasn't been the case. Maybe Kugler isn't what we thought after that first year when it appeared he was turning the offensive line around.

chiken
09-17-2012, 07:27 PM
I am wondering if those Tight End sets will be more effective in the play action game when Saunders comes back..

RuthlessBurgher
09-18-2012, 03:56 PM
I am wondering if those Tight End sets will be more effective in the play action game when Saunders comes back..

I like Saunders more than Pope or Paulson, but there is still no excuse for having 3 TE and only 1 WR on the field. Based on best available talent, that ratio should be reversed.

Oviedo
09-18-2012, 04:12 PM
I like Saunders more than Pope or Paulson, but there is still no excuse for having 3 TE and only 1 WR on the field. Based on best available talent, that ratio should be reversed.

Completely agree. Our WRs are too talented to be watching from the sidelines. I saw Sanders out way too often.

flippy
09-18-2012, 04:25 PM
Completely agree. Our WRs are too talented to be watching from the sidelines. I saw Sanders out way too often.

The only way Wally, Brown, and Sanders should come off the field is if they need a breather. And guys like Cotchery and Rainey should be rotating with them, not the TEs.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-18-2012, 07:20 PM
What would you guys see our "3rd and goal from the 3" package being, after the obligate 6 (5 linemen + Ben)?

Wallace, Brown, Sanders
Heath
1 of Mendy/Red/Dwyer?

No room for a FB/lead blocker?

RuthlessBurgher
09-18-2012, 07:51 PM
What would you guys see our "3rd and goal from the 3" package being, after the obligate 6 (5 linemen + Ben)?

Wallace, Brown, Sanders
Heath
1 of Mendy/Red/Dwyer?

No room for a FB/lead blocker?

Goal-line packages are different...but that type of specialty offensive formation should be reserved almost exclusively for goal line or short yardage situations, not on 1st and 10 from your own 20, or 2nd and 7 from their 45.

Remember, if we take out a FB for an extra WR, then the defense must respond by bringing in an extra DB and removing someone from their front 7. So the big guy in the box that the FB would likely be blocking is no longer there anymore(it's now a skinny guy opposite Manny Sanders instead).

hawaiiansteel
09-18-2012, 07:58 PM
Looking to get ground game rolling

Teresa Varley - Steelers.com

The Steelers have a long history of running backs producing 100-yard games, but so far in two games this season they havent averaged 100 yards rushing per game as a team, with only 54 rushes for 141 yards for a 2.6-yard average per carry.

We havent run the ball as well as we have liked, said Coach Mike Tomlin. Im not interested in assigning blame in that regard. I will take responsibility for it.

The reality is weve got room for growth. We need to tighten up our menu and lean on the things we are doing well. We need to block better and put the ball where it needs to be on a more consistent basis.

The Steelers have been without running back Rashard Mendenhall in the first two weeks, although Tomlin did say he would get more work in practice this week but his status for Sundays game on the road against the Oakland Raiders has not been determined. Jonathan Dwyer and Isaac Redmanhave shared the workload for the running game, with Dwyer averaging 3.4 yards per carry and Redman two yards per carry through two games.

We all have a hand in where our running game is right now, said Tomlin. I hope that we all have a hand in correcting it in the near future. I know it needs to be an asset for us moving forward, particularly as we move into a hostile environment like the one we are going into this weekend.

The Steelers were able to move the ball on the ground in the fourth quarter against the New York Jets at Heinz Field this past week, with eight rushing plays for 31 yards during a drive that was a little over 10 minutes and ended with a two-yard touchdown run by Redman.

Tomlin was pleased with the performance of the ground game on the drive, but not fully satisfied.

Im looking for more than that, said Tomlin. We were able to run the ball and possess the ball. I think we ran it six or seven times for right around 30 yards. Thats not what Im looking for. Im actually looking for better than that.

The Steelers passing game has accounted for 520 yards through two games, with Ben Roethlisberger completing 46 of 71 pass attempts.

The key now is to get the offense balanced, something Tomlin is confident will come in time.

I think in the long term we seek balance, said Tomlin. Its dangerous to look for those types of things at this juncture because were only two weeks, or eight quarters of football, into it. Over the long haul, absolutely we intend to strike a balance offensively and possess the ball and score. Its just probably a little early for us, at this point, to paint with a broad brush.

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Looking-to-get-ground-game-rolling/7f26a810-43a1-4ed0-8882-7350c9c187ef

steelz09
09-18-2012, 08:17 PM
Goal-line packages are different...but that type of specialty offensive formation should be reserved almost exclusively for goal line or short yardage situations, not on 1st and 10 from your own 20, or 2nd and 7 from their 45.

Remember, if we take out a FB for an extra WR, then the defense must respond by bringing in an extra DB and removing someone from their front 7. So the big guy in the box that the FB would likely be blocking is no longer there anymore(it's now a skinny guy opposite Manny Sanders instead).

I just think it comes down to our o-line doesn't win their 1-on1 matchups. If they can't win their matchups, the formation doesn't help/hurt matters.