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Steelhere10
09-16-2012, 04:48 PM
3rd and 12, rush only 4 men with Hampton still on the field. Coaching scared again against Mark fn Sanchez...

Slapstick
09-16-2012, 05:43 PM
3rd and 12, rush only 4 men with Hampton still on the field. Coaching scared again against Mark fn Sanchez...

Or maybe not, considering the Jest went 3 and out on their next possession with great field position...

SteelBucks
09-16-2012, 05:59 PM
It's amazing it's never the players' fault...only LeBeau's.:roll:

BURGH86STEEL
09-16-2012, 06:11 PM
Not sure why some fans are so quick to give up on this team?????????

SteelAbility
09-16-2012, 07:36 PM
The D looked awful the first 1.5 quarters. After that ... D@mn good. No Troy. No Harrison and we shut them down the entire 2nd half. Yep. LeBeau has GOT to go.

DukieBoy
09-16-2012, 07:37 PM
Defense played better once unshackled and playing aggressive. Once getting pressure on Sanchize, he was distracted the rest of the game.

Sugar
09-16-2012, 07:39 PM
Um, they kept a team that scored 48 last week to only 10. Somebody did something right.

ramblinjim
09-16-2012, 07:39 PM
agreed, I'll take giving up ten points any day. I was in the "why can't the defense stop anyone?" crowd in the first quarter though.

SidSmythe
09-16-2012, 07:43 PM
Hey there.....LeBeau is STEELhere!!! :Blah

Discipline of Steel
09-16-2012, 07:58 PM
That perspective is borderline insanity. Sanchez was 10 of 27 overall after starting 4 of 5. Thats 6 of 22 the rest of the way. For 138 yrds. Throw in 90 rushing and Id say his game plan without our two DPOY was awesome. LeBeau is a legend and the stats after the first drive suggest HE DID ADJUST. Rant over.

DukieBoy
09-16-2012, 08:02 PM
Clark was very significant in today's game. Good to have him back. The aggressive play turned the game, and our D dictated its will upon the Jests.

pittpete
09-16-2012, 08:04 PM
Well I thought the same when we were getting torched with our DBs 10 yards off the ball.
Lebeau made adjustments and changed my thoughts quickly.
Glad Tomlins making the decisions and not me and you yahooos....LOL

SteelBucks
09-16-2012, 09:43 PM
LeBeau's critics will be silent this week but ready to jump all over him after the next loss. It's as predictable as death and taxes.

Sugar
09-16-2012, 09:47 PM
LeBeau's critics will be silent this week but ready to jump all over him after the next loss. It's as predictable as death and taxes.

It would be kind of hard for them to say too much this week. The D only had 10 points scored on them, 90 yards rushing against them and the opposing QB had a sub 70 rating. Some will argue that the O keeping the ball for the amount of time they did helped. I won't argue against that, but there were no 4th quarter meltdowns today.

DukieBoy
09-16-2012, 09:53 PM
Instead of the read-and-react and soft cushion zones used when then gave up points, the adjustments that the Steelers D came with in the 2nd half were exceptional ... press coverage and blitzes coming from everywhere. Cudos to Lebeau and the players. Having Clark present was big - he was highly effective. The Steeler D exerted its will upon the Jets, Sanchize was rattled into a 66.6 QB rating, and the game became an easy victory.

NorthCoast
09-16-2012, 10:29 PM
If there is any coordinator in the league that can adjust a game plan it is LeBeau. Usually it doesn't happen until half time, but today's game he didn't even wait that long.

Discipline of Steel
09-17-2012, 12:24 AM
If there is any coordinator in the league that can adjust a game plan it is LeBeau. Usually it doesn't happen until half time, but today's game he didn't even wait that long.

Funny there are some on this board that argue Saint LeBeau doesnt know how to adjust ... and if he just played the defense the way they think he should, we would be so much better than #1 year after year.

hawaiiansteel
09-17-2012, 02:04 AM
what happened, I thought the other team always scores on LeBeau's defense right after our offense scores? :confused:

Oviedo
09-17-2012, 07:59 AM
LeBeau's critics will be silent this week but ready to jump all over him after the next loss. It's as predictable as death and taxes.

Thats because he didn't coach "scared" this week. After the initial drive he got aggressive and we saw more blitzes than we have in a long time. Timmons was sent at least half a dozen times. Thats always been the issue. Good QB like Manning play scared, average QB like Sanchez play aggressive. We have to be aggressive all the time to do our best. Let's hope that we see the attacking style we saw on Sunday the rest of the season.

Oviedo
09-17-2012, 08:02 AM
Funny there are some on this board that argue Saint LeBeau doesnt know how to adjust ... and if he just played the defense the way they think he should, we would be so much better than #1 year after year.


Never an issue of "doesn't know" but too many time "it is an issue of "won't." yesterday he did and look how great the result was. Sending more on blitzes especially Timmons on the inside. That is how we have to play to be great.

Eich
09-17-2012, 08:41 AM
I'm not nearly as critical of Lebeau as some and for those who wish he would leave, you'll one day get your wish and you might not be so happy with it.

PLENTY of defenses get exploited. It's a passing-offense-oriented league. The "great Rex Ryan" didn't fare so well against the Steelers yesterday. The "great Bill Belicheck" didn't fare so well the last 2 times he played the Giants in the Super Bowl - nor did he fare well against Kolb and the Cardinals yesterday. It happens.

That said, I will agree that we should be more agressive on defense. If we get torched being agressive, so be it. I loved watching the corners playing man coverage yesterday. They were ABUSING Sanstonio!! I don't even mind a few penalties in that situation. We were in Sanstonio's head all day yesterday and essentially took him out of the game. His ONLY "game" yesterday was to motion like he was throwing a flag.

Beautiful game plan all around yesterday. I can't imagine why anyone would be calling for any coach's head after that one.

Sugar
09-17-2012, 09:39 AM
I'm not nearly as critical of Lebeau as some and for those who wish he would leave, you'll one day get your wish and you might not be so happy with it.

PLENTY of defenses get exploited. It's a passing-offense-oriented league. The "great Rex Ryan" didn't fare so well against the Steelers yesterday. The "great Bill Belicheck" didn't fare so well the last 2 times he played the Giants in the Super Bowl - nor did he fare well against Kolb and the Cardinals yesterday. It happens.

That said, I will agree that we should be more agressive on defense. If we get torched being agressive, so be it. I loved watching the corners playing man coverage yesterday. They were ABUSING Sanstonio!! I don't even mind a few penalties in that situation. We were in Sanstonio's head all day yesterday and essentially took him out of the game. His ONLY "game" yesterday was to motion like he was throwing a flag.

Beautiful game plan all around yesterday. I can't imagine why anyone would be calling for any coach's head after that one.

Agreed. I feel bad for some kids if their parents expect the kind of perfection from them as they do the coaches of the football team they follow. LeBeau is a marvel and worthy HOF coach. Enjoy him while he lasts people.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-17-2012, 09:55 AM
Our D looked great against an average to sub-average offense yesterday, and it looked pretty poor against a good offense the week before.

Assuming we win the games we "should" this year, it will be our performance in just a handful of games, against playoff-caliber teams, that will determine LeBeau's (and the rest of the team's) end-of-year grade. IMO, we really can't say much based on these last two games.

ikestops85
09-17-2012, 01:59 PM
So people think that if we just stay aggressive we will dominate defensively.

http://www.theviewingscreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/OhReallyFool.jpg

You really think DL is scared to put pressure on a QB like Peyton. You don't think it had anything to do with the fact that Peyton was beating that pressure. The pressure worked early in the game but then the Broncos adjusted. Peyton is pretty damn good at that. That's why some say he is the greatest QB ever. Some peoples logic scares me at times.

Did you notice how the Jets defense was using DL's schemes? I wonder why such a defensive innovator like Ryan would imitate a has been like DL?

Off topic but kudos to Haley and the offense. It was great to watch them seal the game in the fourth quarter. That's quite a change from what we usually see. That takes a lot of the pressure off the defense and lets them tee off more on the opponent. I think that is going to have to happen a lot this year because I don't think the defense is going to be as good as years past.

RuthlessBurgher
09-17-2012, 04:12 PM
Thats because he didn't coach "scared" this week. After the initial drive he got aggressive and we saw more blitzes than we have in a long time. Timmons was sent at least half a dozen times. Thats always been the issue. Good QB like Manning play scared, average QB like Sanchez play aggressive. We have to be aggressive all the time to do our best. Let's hope that we see the attacking style we saw on Sunday the rest of the season.

I thought I explained last week how an experience veteran QB like Manning begs teams to blitz him, because if you are rushing 5 or more, he automatically knows who is hot receiver is and is more than happy to dump it off to an open man. I'm not going to bother listing all the stats again, but here's one brief paragraph that sums it up pretty much:


In all Manning finished the night 9-of-11 for 152 of his 253 passing yards against a Steelers rush of five or more players to go with the two touchdowns. That's also an eye-catching 13.8 yards per attempt against the blitz.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21508314/steelers-find-out-blitzing-peyton-manning-still-risky

Against inexperienced QB's like Sanchez, go ahead and blitz. It was funny to see Sanchez trying to throw to what he thought was his hot route, and that receiver never turned around (happened to Holmes a couple of times, who was yelling at Holmes as he came back to the huddle, and also throwing immediately to the TE that filled in for Keller on a 3rd down).

You criticize LeBeau for "not adjusting his game plans" and then say that we should be playing the same blitz-happy defensive scheme regardless of whether we are playing Peyton Manning or Mark Sanchez...yeah, that's smart.

Eddie Spaghetti
09-17-2012, 04:16 PM
you can explain it to ovi a hundred times and it won't matter.

all this teams weaknesses are the fault of saint lebeau and ramon foster. Its pretty much the same broken record every season and is damned tiring to say the least.

Oviedo
09-17-2012, 04:26 PM
you can explain it to ovi a hundred times and it won't matter.

all this teams weaknesses are the fault of saint lebeau and ramon foster. Its pretty much the same broken record every season and is damned tiring to say the least.

Don't read it then. Easy solution. Won't offend me in the slightest.

Eddie Spaghetti
09-17-2012, 04:33 PM
kinda hard to miss when you post the same thing in about 5 different threads every single day.

we can all read big guy, you don't have say the same thing a 100 times.

Oviedo
09-17-2012, 04:34 PM
I thought I explained last week how an experience veteran QB like Manning begs teams to blitz him, because if you are rushing 5 or more, he automatically knows who is hot receiver is and is more than happy to dump it off to an open man. I'm not going to bother listing all the stats again, but here's one brief paragraph that sums it up pretty much:



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21508314/steelers-find-out-blitzing-peyton-manning-still-risky

Against inexperienced QB's like Sanchez, go ahead and blitz. It was funny to see Sanchez trying to throw to what he thought was his hot route, and that receiver never turned around (happened to Holmes a couple of times, who was yelling at Holmes as he came back to the huddle, and also throwing immediately to the TE that filled in for Keller on a 3rd down).

You criticize LeBeau for "not adjusting his game plans" and then say that we should be playing the same blitz-happy defensive scheme regardless of whether we are playing Peyton Manning or Mark Sanchez...yeah, that's smart.

I disagree. I think you can still be aggressive and don't have to go into a bend don't break shell when playing a good QB. We saw that last season in the Patriots game where the defense was in the attack mode all game long and rattled Brady. You may have to disguise things better but you don't have to abandon the attacking style that LeBeau invented years ago.

While some, one specifically, wants to turn this into accusations of a personal dislike for LeBeau ( which is ludicrous since I don't know him) I think I have been pretty consistent that it is how LeBeau has abandoned what got him his reputation in recent year that I have an issue with. I don't think the players are less talented.

You articulated that you can't do it with a QB like Manning. Well if the result of not being aggressive is what we saw last Sunday night then what did we accomplish. Keep it close? Can we agree to that based on the most recent evidence? While we may not agree in this matter or anything about how we should play defense, I respect how you articulate your point of view. However, for me I just want to see an attacking style every week. I think that is what has defined the Steelers over the years and I still think that is what we can be successful doing.

Oviedo
09-17-2012, 04:37 PM
kinda hard to miss when you post the same thing in about 5 different threads every single day.

we can all read big guy, you don't have say the same thing a 100 times.

I think there is an "Ignore" function. Try it or exercise some self discipline and don't read anything I post. Problem is you can't because instead of offering your own opinions whether right or wrong you only criticize others.

Eddie Spaghetti
09-17-2012, 04:39 PM
same old ground.

I offer my opinions, just not over and over and over.

isonator07
09-17-2012, 06:39 PM
It seems like our defense plays better when we play press. Besides yesterday, was the last time we played a bunch of press in a game last year against New England?

BURGH86STEEL
09-17-2012, 06:57 PM
It seems like our defense plays better when we play press. Besides yesterday, was the last time we played a bunch of press in a game last year against New England?

The Steelers mix up their defensive coverages like most defenses in the league.

ikestops85
09-18-2012, 09:53 AM
It seems like our defense plays better when we play press. Besides yesterday, was the last time we played a bunch of press in a game last year against New England?

Against Denver in last seasons playoff loss. :mad:

Slapstick
09-18-2012, 12:02 PM
Against Denver in last seasons playoff loss. :mad:

Yep. And soft zone coverage probably would have handled Tebow...that's what the Cheaters did, IIRC...