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BigRob
09-11-2012, 03:44 PM
9 carries, 43 yards,4.77 yards per carry, 11 yard run called back by penalty. A couple of missed assignments.

Redman:

11 rushes, 20 yards, 1.8 yards per carry.

Shouldn't Dwyer get the bulk of the carries going forward?

D Rock
09-11-2012, 03:48 PM
Dwyer looked very good. He's got some nifty feet and seems to enjoy contact. I like that combination.

That said, Redman has had a couple very nice games himself in his career. It's still a total toss up at this point.

BigRob
09-11-2012, 03:49 PM
I pretty much agree, but you have to go with the hot hand. Dwyer seems to have it **** figured out now.

hawaiiansteel
09-11-2012, 03:52 PM
it looked to me as if Redman is still dealing with his injuries, let Dwyer start until Redman can get healthy again.

RuthlessBurgher
09-11-2012, 04:00 PM
I have no problem with a reasonable near 50-50 split for the time being, until Mendenhall is ready to rock.

BigRob
09-11-2012, 04:02 PM
I have no problem with a reasonable near 50-50 split for the time being, until Mendenhall is ready to rock.

I think you gotta see how the game goes and feed the rock to the guy making the difference.

RuthlessBurgher
09-11-2012, 04:09 PM
I think you gotta see how the game goes and feed the rock to the guy making the difference.

Good point. Other than a few creative run calls (the one where Pouncey did the 360 to pull to his left and the one where Rainey was somehow lead blocking for Brown on an end around), this last game it felt like we were running just to establish some semblence of a run threat to set up play action later.

Oviedo
09-11-2012, 04:42 PM
9 carries, 43 yards,4.77 yards per carry, 11 yard run called back by penalty. A couple of missed assignments.

Redman:

11 rushes, 20 yards, 1.8 yards per carry.

Shouldn't Dwyer get the bulk of the carries going forward?


The answer is yes until he starts to fail then it is next man up. That is RB by Committee. However, I would not be trusting Redman until I see more. The past is the past and it is about who is doing what now.

hawaiiansteel
09-11-2012, 05:04 PM
Ed: Dwyer in Line for More Chances Sunday

TUESDAY, 11 SEPTEMBER 2012 WRITTEN BY ED BOUCHETTE

Some impressions from today’s Mike Tomlin press conference:

--- Jonathan Dwyer will get more carries Sunday against the Jets, although I don’t think he will start. And, naturally, if Isaac Redman plays well, that could change based on his performance early-on.

“I thought Jonathan Dwyer provided a spark play and represented himself well and will probably get an increased opportunity because of it,’’ Tomlin said.

--- His quote of the day, when asked if he could evaluate the scab officials: “I’m not going to do that. I’m going to keep my money in my pocket.”

--- While he described “pretty good news” on the injury front, there really was no news on James Harrison’s knee.

“James Harrison worked out yesterday. He will run tomorrow, and we will see where he is. We will basically follow the same protocol with him that we did last week. We will work him up to activity and see how his knee responds to that activity. We will let that be our guide in terms of his participation.”

Harrison’s knee did not respond well to that protocol last week and he did not play.

--- He would not reveal who his backup long-snapper is. Got to keep those other special teams coaches guessing, so they apparently will be confused if something happens to Greg Warren and he cannot snap for punts or placekicks.

“I’ll hold my cards in that regard at this time.”

--- He did not mention Rashard Mendenhall among the injured. When asked about him, Tomlin said:

“We’ll see how the week takes us. I thought he had a good week last week. He’s done a nice job with the things we’ve asked him to do and we’ll just continue to move forward and put our heads together as the week unfolds and see if he’s the guy for us this week.”

--- He, as usual, made the New York Jets out to be the team to beat in the next Super Bowl:

“They are a rock solid team. They have great balance. They have good players in all three phases.”

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/118001-ed-dwyer-in-line-for-more-chances-sunday

stopplayn
09-11-2012, 05:41 PM
Dwyer is more versatile. With Redman, most of our playbook is limited. He cant run a sweep, counter or screen. He isnt valuable catching the ball out of the backfield. We can ony run dives, sprint draws and draws with him. Mendenhall was far superior but in his absense we need to go with dwyer and use Redman on short downs.

NorthCoast
09-11-2012, 07:03 PM
Insufficient data to draw a good conclusion.

Take a closer look at the run game; according to one analysis the Steelers nemesis was 2nd down runs which averaged a full yard less than runs on 1st or 3rd downs. In otherwords, Redman got all the tough carries and Dwyer comes in for cleanup. There were at least 5 runs with no yds gained, all but one on 2nd down. The OL was being stood up. Starks was the only guy who I think outperformed,based on his injury status and who he faced.

skyhawk
09-11-2012, 07:14 PM
Bettis would have had trouble picking up any yards behind that Oline on Sunday.

stopplayn
09-11-2012, 07:19 PM
Barry Sanders never had a good line.

skyhawk
09-11-2012, 07:24 PM
He's Barry Sanders. One of a kind, like Troy.

D Rock
09-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Barry Sanders never had a good line.


Barry Sanders was also, ya know....Barry Sanders.

BigRob
09-11-2012, 07:26 PM
Insufficient data to draw a good conclusion.

Take a closer look at the run game; according to one analysis the Steelers nemesis was 2nd down runs which averaged a full yard less than runs on 1st or 3rd downs. In otherwords, Redman got all the tough carries and Dwyer comes in for cleanup. There were at least 5 runs with no yds gained, all but one on 2nd down. The OL was being stood up. Starks was the only guy who I think outperformed,based on his injury status and who he faced.

Your analysis is incorrect and makes big assumptions. Correlation does not equal causation. Redman struggled on 2nd down carries. That doesn't mean that Dwyer would have as well.

You have to take the whole body of work of each back. Dwyer earned a shot at more carries, and Tomlin agrees. He outperformed Redman.

stopplayn
09-11-2012, 07:37 PM
He's Barry Sanders. One of a kind, like Troy.

Agree wholeheartedly

lloydroid
09-11-2012, 08:44 PM
Anyone want to know my opinion on this one? ;)

7 UP
09-11-2012, 08:54 PM
Dwyer or Redman, it dosent matter. Fact of the matter is Mendenhall is heads and tails better than both of those backs. When Mendenhall is fully healthy I think he can be an absolute beast in this new offense. I doubt you see Mendy until after the early bye. But once hes back, I think this committee approach will be over. Until then, my guess is they start Redman, but Dwyer eventually gets more carries as they go with the hot hand.

hawaiiansteel
09-11-2012, 09:18 PM
Anyone want to know my opinion on this one? ;)

maybe you should start a new thread and explain it to us...:D

phillyesq
09-11-2012, 10:10 PM
Insufficient data to draw a good conclusion.


I agree.

Dwyer looked good, and certainly did earn more opportunities. But it was just a handful of carries for both. Redman had a nice game against Denver last year, and decent overall numbers.

Redman isn't as bad as he looked on Sunday. Dwyer is still a question mark, though he has looked good. Still need to see more of each.

hawaiiansteel
09-11-2012, 10:17 PM
Insufficient data to draw a good conclusion.



have you been hanging out with Slappy? :D

fordfixer
09-12-2012, 12:38 AM
September 12, 2012 12:04 am

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-likely-to-give-dwyer-more-carries-652882/

By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Jonathan Dwyer has had nothing but success with a football in his hands at Georgia Tech, with the Steelers in the preseason, in his few chances last season and in the first game of 2012.

Sunday at Heinz Field against the New York Jets, he will get even more opportunities.

"I thought Jonathan Dwyer provided a spark play and represented himself well and will probably get an increased opportunity because of it," coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday.

Dwyer ran nine times for 43 yards, a 4.8-yard average per carry and one touchdown that was overruled by replay in the 31-19 loss in Denver. That represented more than half the Steelers 75 rushing yards. Everyone else had 32 yards on 17 carries or a 1.9-yard average.

This comes after Dwyer led the backs with 147 yards and a 5.3-yard average in the preseason. Last season, he averaged 7.7 yards per carry, although he only carried 16 times. Dwyer also caught two passes for 11 yards in Denver.

Tomlin did not say if Dwyer will start (Isaac Redman held that honor and carried 11 times for 20 yards against the Broncos), but he expressed overall disappointment with a part of the game the Steelers have long wanted to improve upon. The desire to run more effectively may be the main reason Bruce Arians was let go and Todd Haley was hired as offensive coordinator.

"I think we're capable of being better," said Tomlin, assessing his backs' performances in Denver. "We're still going to continue to play a number of people. We haven't sorted out specifically what that rotation is to this point."

All the backs, except for the inactive Rashard Mendenhall played. Baron Batch played mostly on third down next to Ben Roethlisberger in the shotgun. He had one carry but lost a yard. Rookie Chris Rainey had two carries for 5 yards and one catch that lost a yard. Redman also caught two passes for 7 yards.

Mendenhall will practice for the second consecutive week, and, again, Tomlin would not hint about his plans for him. Mendenhall's anterior cruciate ligament was torn Jan. 1, and he had surgery that month.

Minnesota's Adrian Peterson had surgery after his ACL and medial collateral ligament were torn one week earlier than Mendenhall. He not only started the Sunday for the Vikings, but he also scored two touchdowns and rushed for 84 yards on 17 carries, an average of 4.9 yards, against Jacksonville. He also caught one pass.

If Mendenhall were on the same timetable as Peterson, he would play this week. Tomlin officially listed him as "doubtful" Friday for the Denver game.

"We'll see how the week takes us," Tomlin said Tuesday. "I thought he had a good week last week. He's done a nice job with the things we've asked him to do, and we'll just continue to move forward and put our heads together as the week unfolds and see if he's the guy for us this week."
Injury news mostly good

While Tomlin described "pretty good news" on the injury front, there, basically, was no news on James Harrison's knee that has kept him out of most every practice since last spring. The veteran outside linebacker's left knee was scoped Aug. 15 to remove particles that were irritating it and causing it to swell.

"James Harrison worked out yesterday," Tomlin said Tuesday. "He will run tomorrow, and we will see where he is. We will basically follow the same protocol with him that we did last week. We will work him up to activity and see how his knee responds to that activity. We will let that be our guide in terms of his participation."

Harrison's knee did not respond well to that protocol last week.

He went through a full practice that Monday, signalled the knee was A-OK Tuesday, went through a partial practice Wednesday, did not practice Thursday or Friday and did not play Sunday.

Tomlin had good news on a few other injury fronts, especially about the two starting offensive linemen who left the game Sunday in the second quarter.

"Ramon Foster, who missed time in the game, appears to be fine, as is Marcus Gilbert, who hyperextended his knee. Gilbert may be limited in the early part of the week, but it won't stop him from participating in this upcoming game."

Foster had what the coach described as an optical migraine with blurred vision Sunday.

Troy Polamalu also has a right calf strain that may limit him in practice, but Tomlin said he should play.
Quick hits

• Quote of the day from Tomlin when asked if he could evaluate the replacement officials: "I'm not going to do that. I'm going to keep my money in my pocket."

• Tomlin, who fired special-teams coach Al Everest in the preseason, praised the play of his special teams in Denver. Amos Jones, formerly Everest's assistant, coaches them now. "I thought our kicking game and our specialists were an asset. Shaun Suisham was 2 for 2 on field goals. He was 5 of 5 in the kickoff game, meaning he had five touchbacks. I thought Drew Butler represented himself well in his first time out as our punter. He had a 40.0 net average and landed one punt inside the Broncos 5-yard line. We won the field-position battle with that. We had a good punt-return game. Antonio Brown's return produced a scoring opportunity."

First Published September 12, 2012 12:00 am

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-likely-to-give-dwyer-more-carries-652882/#ixzz26E8W66BB

flippy
09-12-2012, 06:44 AM
Haley's offense looks built for Mendy to me. Get that kid the ball in space and we're gonna have a different offense. Anyone know when Mendy's back? Can't believe it, but I really think he's gonna make a huge difference.

BigRob
09-12-2012, 12:34 PM
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/9/11/3316740/steelers-game-preview-fantasy-football-jonathan-dwyer-isaac-redman-starter-Jets-week-2

Is there value in a diversified backfield?


This isn't your investment portfolio. This is football. And the reasons why Isaac Redman (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71874/isaac-redman) should get even a third as many carries as Jonathan Dwyer (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108581/jonathan-dwyer) right now are suspect at best.


Dwyer had 43 yards on nine carries in Pittsburgh's Week 1 loss to Denver. Redman, the starter, had 11 carries for 20 yards. Dwyer also had a big gainer wiped out by a holding penalty on wide receiver Mike Wallace (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71118/mike-wallace). If Wallace's guy makes the tackle on that play, it still went for 11 yards.

So what is Steelers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/pittsburgh-steelers) coach Mike Tomlin saying this week? Dwyer may see an increase in opportunities against the Jets (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-jets) in Week 2.


That's Tomlin-Speak for Dwyer's going to carry the ball early and often. Judging by the Jets' shoddy tackling in a 48-28 rout of Buffalo in Week 1, they're going to be pretty excited to get a chance to stuff what appears to be a struggling running game.


Dwyer is the one breaking tackles right now, not Redman. He's done nothing but produce in every game he's been in, and if there was a reason to take the restrictor plate off the three-year vet and let him run, it's this one.


The Jets' secondary is pretty good. Bills (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/buffalo-bills) quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/3219/ryan-fitzpatrick) was giving turnovers away like they were flu shots last week, but the Jets looked hungrier and hungrier each time No. 7 dropped back in the pocket. But there were blown tackles all over the field. Dwyer does not get taken down easily by one guy. He'll break tackles.


Find cornerback Antonio Cromartie (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2984/antonio-cromartie), motion tight end Heath Miller (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1620/heath-miller) over to his side. Pull the guard, hand off to Dwyer and watch the carnage.


Redman can serve just fine as a substitute in a normal altitude environment. There's no need for them to split carries this week, and this is a team the Steelers should aim to get another 25 or more runs called.

Oviedo
09-12-2012, 12:41 PM
Right now, it appears that Dwyer is the "Contender" and Redman is the "Pretender" with a new challenger just waiting in the wings in Mendy.

Slapstick
09-12-2012, 12:48 PM
Right now, it appears that Dwyer is the "Contender" and Redman is the "Pretender" with a new challenger just waiting in the wings in Mendy.

Right now, it appears that Dwyer is (finally) playing well while Redman is dealing with his minor injuries...

I don't expect to see Mendenhall receive any significant work until after the week 3 bye...

feltdizz
09-12-2012, 01:34 PM
Doesn't matter if Dwyer starts because he takes himself out of the game after 3 plays....

lloydroid
09-12-2012, 02:25 PM
Haley's offense looks built for Mendy to me. Get that kid the ball in space and we're gonna have a different offense. Anyone know when Mendy's back? Can't believe it, but I really think he's gonna make a huge difference.

JD will prove better. Just my prognostication.

lloydroid
09-12-2012, 02:26 PM
maybe you should start a new thread and explain it to us...:D

OK, I will

lloydroid
09-12-2012, 02:27 PM
Source: The Sports XChange

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Jonathan Dwyer is expected to receive increased playing time during Week 2 against the New York Jets after being the team's only effective back during Week 1 against the Denver Broncos. Head coach Mike Tomlin said Dwyer has earned 'increased opportunity' because of his Week 1 effort. As a team, the Steelers ran 26 times for 75 yards, a 2.9-yard average. Dwyer toted the ball nine times for 43 yards.

Why do I know more than the team does about itself? I have been screaming for JD to get more touches, and yet, they didn't see that before this game was played? They should hire me.

Slapstick
09-12-2012, 03:10 PM
Why do I know more than the team does about itself? I have been screaming for JD to get more touches, and yet, they didn't see that before this game was played? They should hire me.

I agree, they should hire you.

Maybe then, you wouldn't have time to post here...:p

hawaiiansteel
09-12-2012, 03:13 PM
Why do I know more than the team does about itself? I have been screaming for JD to get more touches, and yet, they didn't see that before this game was played? They should hire me.

I'll give you props, you have been consistently saying this since Day 1. :Bow

feltdizz
09-12-2012, 03:26 PM
Retire his jersey already..

lloydroid
09-12-2012, 05:52 PM
I'll give you props, you have been consistently saying this since Day 1. :Bow

Thanks dude. It sounds like Tomlin is finally going to give this guy some touches, and I predict he will do so well that we won't be wanting to rush RM back. He brings some things RM does not.

flippy
09-12-2012, 06:09 PM
JD will prove better. Just my prognostication.

I was thinking more along the lines of how Haley's trying to evolve the passing game. And running out of 3/4 WR sets. I still like Mendy the best in space. JD seems to be doing a nice job of making space for himself in traffic. I still wish they'd nickname JD - Moses. Cause everytime he touches the ball, the defense parts.

fordfixer
09-12-2012, 06:46 PM
I'll give you props, you have been consistently saying this since Day 1. :Bow
And before
:rolleyes:

NorthCoast
09-12-2012, 07:04 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of how Haley's trying to evolve the passing game. And running out of 3/4 WR sets. I still like Mendy the best in space. JD seems to be doing a nice job of making space for himself in traffic. I still wish they'd nickname JD - Moses. Cause everytime he touches the ball, the defense parts.

I was thinking it makes sense to get Rainey out in space, cause he certainly won't break tackles at the line.

NorthCoast
09-12-2012, 07:25 PM
uhh, am I missing something you are seeing? Here is Dwyer's rushes for the game (plays that counted):

2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 3, 9. ... big yds didn't come until late when Denver D was gassed for playing half the night.

and Redman:

3, 0, 3, -6, 3, 2, 5, 6, 4, 3, 3, -1

So it wasn't like a mandate Dwyer made over Redman.

hawaiiansteel
09-12-2012, 08:33 PM
Steelers Player Profile: Jonathan Dwyer

September 11, 2012

http://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/151688130.jpg?w=300

Jonathan Dwyer led the Pittsburgh Steelers’ ground attack in the season opener Sunday in Denver, gaining 43 yards on nine carries.

Today, we learn a little more about the Steelers running back.

Who is Jonathan Dwyer?

Dwyer was Parade All-American high school football player while playing at Kell High School in Marietta, Ga.

After being named the Georgia Player of the Year in 2007 he committed to play his college football at nearby Georgia Tech.

While at Georgia Tech, Dwyer was named to the ACC All-Freshman team in 2007 before claiming the ACC Player of the Year after gaining over 1,300 yards and scoring 12 touchdowns for the Yellow Jackets in 2008.

How he became a Steeler?

Dwyer became a Pittsburgh Steeler on April 24, 2010, when he was drafted in the 6th round.

Dwyer was the 188th player and 11th running back selected in the 2010 draft. He made the Steelers’ 53-man roster the following September.

His career as a Steeler:

Dwyer made his NFL debut in Week 17 of the 2010 season, running for 28 yards on nine carries against the Cleveland Browns.

The running back played in just seven games last season for the Steelers, collecting his first career 100-yard rushing performance in Week 5 against the Tennessee Titans.

Dwyer totaled 107 yards on the ground that Sunday, including a career long 76-yard run, while filling in for an injured Rashard Mendenhall.

After a third straight successful preseason, Dwyer figures to be in the mix again in the Steelers’ backfield this season as Mendenhall continues to work his way back from off-season knee surgery.

It is unknown whether or not Mendenhall will be able to play in the home opener against the Jets.

If he does not though, expect to see a lot more from Dwyer again this Sunday.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/09/11/steelers-player-profile-jonathan-dwyer/

BigRob
09-13-2012, 12:20 PM
uhh, am I missing something you are seeing? Here is Dwyer's rushes for the game (plays that counted):

2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 3, 9. ... big yds didn't come until late when Denver D was gassed for playing half the night.

and Redman:

3, 0, 3, -6, 3, 2, 5, 6, 4, 3, 3, -1

So it wasn't like a mandate Dwyer made over Redman.

Except you left out the 11 yard run that Dwyer made that was called back because of holding.

Biggest difference between Dwyer and Redman is pedigree and physical gifts.

phillyesq
09-13-2012, 01:32 PM
Isn't Dwyer already questionable after just 1 week? He has some physical gifts and natural ability, but the durability still seems to be a problem.

Slapstick
09-13-2012, 02:46 PM
Except you left out the 11 yard run that Dwyer made that was called back because of holding.



It probably wouldn't have gone for 11 yards without the holding...

hawaiiansteel
09-13-2012, 03:16 PM
Isn't Dwyer already questionable after just 1 week? He has some physical gifts and natural ability, but the durability still seems to be a problem.

must be Dwyer's running style that makes him conducive to injuries...:wink:

ikestops85
09-13-2012, 05:32 PM
must be Dwyer's running style that makes him conducive to injuries...:wink:

You beat me to it. :D:lol:

Shoe
09-13-2012, 07:26 PM
Why do I know more than the team does about itself? I have been screaming for JD to get more touches, and yet, they didn't see that before this game was played? They should hire me.

Try not to hurt yourself too much patting yourself on the back. I've been hard on JD, but he's shown something this year. I still have my reservations long-term for sure, but he's clearly played himself into an increased role.

hawaiiansteel
09-13-2012, 09:08 PM
You beat me to it. :D:lol:

great minds thinking alike...:Cheers

NorthCoast
09-13-2012, 09:12 PM
It probably wouldn't have gone for 11 yards without the holding...

hence my reason for counting only runs that counted.... easy to get more yards when you cheat by holding.

Oviedo
09-14-2012, 08:19 AM
must be Dwyer's running style that makes him conducive to injuries...:wink:

Dwyer went through a full practice on Thursday. Good to go for Sunday. He could have a huge day given that the Jets gave up like 195 yards rushing gainst the Bills.

BigRob
09-14-2012, 12:09 PM
It probably wouldn't have gone for 11 yards without the holding...

Please, it was an unnecessary and minor hold.

BigRob
09-14-2012, 12:10 PM
Plain to see your biased. That's fine.

feltdizz
09-14-2012, 02:41 PM
Are you guys really arguing over an 11 yard run? Not 30... not an 11 yard TD but an 11 yard run?

BigRob
09-14-2012, 03:18 PM
Are you guys really arguing over an 11 yard run? Not 30... not an 11 yard TD but an 11 yard run?

Haha, point taken.

lloydroid
09-15-2012, 02:11 PM
This is Dwyer's chance of a lifetime, right now. If he produces big time, he will make them slow to bring back RM and then if he shines bright in a stretch of games, he will warrant a big contract some where, if not here. If there is ever a time when he is going to give full effort, without taping his helmet to get out of the game, it is now. If not now, then never.

hawaiiansteel
09-15-2012, 06:14 PM
This is Dwyer's chance of a lifetime, right now. If he produces big time, he will make them slow to bring back RM and then if he shines bright in a stretch of games, he will warrant a big contract some where, if not here. If there is ever a time when he is going to give full effort, without taping his helmet to get out of the game, it is now. If not now, then never.

the Jets would be a good team to do it against as their run defense gave up 195 rushing yards against the Buffalo Bills last week.

RuthlessBurgher
09-15-2012, 07:44 PM
the Jets would be a good team to do it against as their run defense gave up 195 rushing yards against the Buffalo Bills last week.

I rather air it out against a Revis-free secondary.

hawaiiansteel
09-15-2012, 08:44 PM
I rather air it out against a Revis-free secondary.

that's not what Art II wants...:stirpot