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flippy
09-10-2012, 08:24 AM
Let's Start with the Good:

1. Larry Foote played like a LB possessed. He was everywhere. He was disruptive. He played smart and fast. He deserves much more respect that he gets from our fan base. He's the rock of this Defense. He's now the only player that I expect to show up consistently week in and week out until proven otherwise.

2. Ben was clutch on 3rd downs. He was just a throw or 2 from turning this game around. He made some really incredible plays that only Ben makes.

3. Max Starks looked like about the only lineman on either side of the ball that didn't get manhandled. And he was getting 0 help. He looked in pretty good shape for this time of year. Now we know Jason Worldis is Casey Hampton's new buffet buddy.

And then the Bad:

1. We got killed in the trenches. It looked like Denver had NFL players going up against our college kids. Our Oline and DLine was going backward most of the night. The only thing that helped on O was spreading Denver out and that barely worked. We couldn't run the ball with Ike. We have no screen game without Mendy. I can't believe I'm thinking this, but Haley needs Mendy back to help what he seems to want to do on O. On D, there was 0 push from anyone. About the only kudos I can give is Casey is so big he was running into 2 guys and freeing up Foote to make plays.

2. Our DBs can't tackle.

And the Ugly

1. Coaching was a mess. From Tomlin's bad challenge to going for 2 pts too early. To Haley's play calling to Lebeau's play calling. Does the mile high air affect our coaches minds more than Ryan Clark's body? I'll give Haley a pass cause he's new. But Lebeau's D was overly conservative. It begged the Broncos to pick us apart. And for all the things I like about Tomlin, he doesn't stay cool under the game pressure. He almost needs an assistant to make in game decisions for him. It's the Sushi can kick a 60 yard FG at Heinz Field in December mentality. I suspect Mike Tomlin is a bigger homer than any of us. Or something like that.

2. Our Defense was on the field 24 minutes. They went through a stretch of getting nearly an hour of rest. And they gave up plays immediately. No fire. No gumption. Nothing. They looked like they peaked and started unleashing hell a little early this year.

3. Why didn't Rainey get any return chances when he ran back 2 kicks last week?


Overall, the same problems that have plagued this team for years continue to plague this team. We have the Swiss Cheese line of the NFL. Both sides of the ball. And when you lose this bad in the trenches so consistently, it's hard to be a good football team.

We have a handful of guys that can help us overcome - Ben, Troy, Harrison. And I hope to God they are healthy. This whole season is just going to come down to Ben. Can Haley get him over the hump? Make him into something even better? Can he keep Ben alive? After last night, Ben's on pace to get sacked 80 times this season.

Please protect him Mr Haley. It seems like you're trying to do something differently than Bruce. But maybe Bruce understood what you will come to understand in time. Our only chance is to let Ben try to be Ben and make plays downfield. Because nothing else seems to work. It's our only chance. It might get him killed, but he's tough. And anything else you do behind this crappy line is likely to get him killed any way. So bombs away. Make him hold the ball 5-10 seconds. Take your chances.

Or change Ben and hurry up please. Whatever, he's our only chance.

Mister Pittsburgh
09-10-2012, 08:35 AM
8-8 is my prognostication.

Djfan
09-10-2012, 08:39 AM
The first half game plan was odd. It seems like the idea was to use clock, not exploit any weaknesses, or to keep their defense guessing. I really didn't get what the goal was at all.

Oviedo
09-10-2012, 08:44 AM
The first half game plan was odd. It seems like the idea was to use clock, not exploit any weaknesses, or to keep their defense guessing. I really didn't get what the goal was at all.

Possess the ball and keep Manning off the field. We saw why when he embarassed our supposedly great defense.

SteelBucks
09-10-2012, 08:50 AM
8-8 is my prognostication.

Possible but I'm not going to go doom and gloom until I see how they play against the Jets next week. Some games are just bad matchups....Denver was a bad matchup. Also, look what happened last year. Steelers got humiliated in Baltimore 35-7 in Week 1 and still finished the season 12-4. Hope lives!

feltdizz
09-10-2012, 08:51 AM
The Bronco's had the ball for :36 second in the 3rd quarter and outscored us 7 to 3.

PATHETIC!!!

Oviedo
09-10-2012, 08:54 AM
The Bronco's had the ball for :36 second in the 3rd quarter and outscored us 7 to 3.

PATHETIC!!!


But our defense was ranked #1 last year (sarcasm in great quantities)

Mister Pittsburgh
09-10-2012, 08:57 AM
The Steelers like to talk tough saying things like 'impose our will' and crap like that...but at every turn they go as conservative as possible and are always the reactionary team vs. the ones making the other team make adjustments. Instead of trying to put as many points on the board every play of every series, we attempt to run, run, pass, to eat clock to keep big scary Peyton on the sideline.....when we just as easily could of taken charge, spread them out, and try and score as fast and as much as possible, forcing them to go into an attack mode where we know the pass is coming and can blitz the hell out of manning. The Steelers will continue to beat the average to below average teams with the way they play, but will rarely beat the top teams with the top offenses.

It always has to come down to how our defense plays because our offense is always crap. Did Denvers defense look super tired there the last couple series where they pretty much destroyed our offense? Isn't that always the excuse we hear???> Gotta keep the defense off the field so they aren't tired.....BS.

Djfan
09-10-2012, 09:06 AM
Possess the ball and keep Manning off the field. We saw why when he embarassed our supposedly great defense.

I really want to agree with that Ovi, but for that to work you have to play to score after holding the ball. We looked like that was not important. I get the ball control. I was advocating for that. But set up the play action and then USE IT? There seemed to be no reason for their defense to second guess what was coming.

That is what I don't get.

Jigawatts
09-10-2012, 09:06 AM
I know Tomlin has made a few questionable challenges in the past but I see nothing wrong with the one last night. He had to make a quick decision before Manning ran up to the line and snapped the ball. If by chance we win that challenge I think it changes the outcome of the game. Unfortunately it didn't go our way.

SteelBucks
09-10-2012, 09:37 AM
The Bronco's had the ball for :36 second in the 3rd quarter and outscored us 7 to 3.

PATHETIC!!!

The redzone offense needs to improve. Settling for FG's was one of the reasons they lost in Denver last year after controlling much of the game.....the story rewrote itself last night.

Oviedo
09-10-2012, 09:39 AM
I know Tomlin has made a few questionable challenges in the past but I see nothing wrong with the one last night. He had to make a quick decision before Manning ran up to the line and snapped the ball. If by chance we win that challenge I think it changes the outcome of the game. Unfortunately it didn't go our way.

Everyone wants to criticize, but the challenge last night was a brilliant move by Tomlin. Manning just ran the defense ragged with the no huddle and I believe that the challenge gave us more time than a normal time out for the defense to try to get their act together on the goal line. Unfortunately the defense had no answers even after the extended break.

steelfin
09-10-2012, 11:00 AM
I am not sure i would call it a brilliant call...but it definitely did not cost us the game....

Our inability to score TDs instead of FGs and our inability to stop the no-huddle offense cost us the game....The defense is definitely concerning after seeing that performance.

Shawn
09-10-2012, 11:06 AM
11-5, we get our ish together and do just fine. It was one bad game people.

Slapstick
09-10-2012, 11:33 AM
I thought that the challenge was a good move...it enabled the defense to get a breather and for the Steelers to substitute personnel...

The D just set up too quickly and allowed Manning to audible...

phillyesq
09-10-2012, 11:54 AM
The redzone offense needs to improve. Settling for FG's was one of the reasons they lost in Denver last year after controlling much of the game.....the story rewrote itself last night.

Yeah, the red zone offense was quite disappointing. Really should have had points with Miller on the first trip.

Champ made a nice breakup of the one slant to Brown; I would have loved to see another Cedrick Wilsonesque fake on Bailey with the hard pump on the fake slant and then the corner, but it wasn't to be.

feltdizz
09-10-2012, 11:57 AM
Tomlin said it's hard to get info quick on the road when it comes to challenges... he made the right call.

feltdizz
09-10-2012, 11:59 AM
The redzone offense needs to improve. Settling for FG's was one of the reasons they lost in Denver last year after controlling much of the game.....the story rewrote itself last night.

nah... the offense was fine.. the pass was yuck on 3rd down. Sometimes Ben can be a little lazy with passes in the endzone. 6-7 throwing to Heath and he throws a shallow pass? Frustrating....

Steel Life
09-10-2012, 05:15 PM
The Bronco's had the ball for :36 second in the 3rd quarter and outscored us 7 to 3.

PATHETIC!!!
Dizz...that was a fluke play, hardly something to be judging the quality of the defense for the rest of the season. Take away that one play & Manning's numbers are somewhat pedestrian. Now that said, like you I'm concerned that the D wasn't able to play to their pedigree but it's only the first game & the team wasn't at full strength, so let see how things look after a couple of more are in the books.

Steel Life
09-10-2012, 05:19 PM
Everyone wants to criticize, but the challenge last night was a brilliant move by Tomlin.
I think you have to challenge it given how "bang, bang" it was. Yes he lost, but the upside was that a fumble out of the end-zone by the offense is a turnover & we have the ball at the 20...had to chance it. I have a bigger problem with the Tamme TD...

nairb32001
09-10-2012, 05:49 PM
The good was i loved the quick passing game as far as the quick slants; but not the quick outs such as the one that cause a pick six. NO QUICK OUTS! the o line can not block longer than 3 mississippi; and when asked to do so you get three sacks in a row. Ben cant read defenses and recievers cant get open; loved the quick slants and screens; such as the one demaryus thomas broke open for a touchdown. denver was playing our game and we were playing denvers game. can we play a smart game ever.

nairb32001
09-10-2012, 05:55 PM
with our o line we are asking too much; who is our o line coach; and conditioning coach ; they need to be fired

eniparadoxgma
09-10-2012, 06:04 PM
Not sure why no one has mentioned HEEEEEEEEEEEATH yet. I realize he's capable of this type of game every night, but I for one was happy to see him put in a position to make plays as opposed to block the majority of the time. That move he made for the TD, while definitely helped out by Ben's pump fake, was one of beauty. He juked the defender out of his shoes.

NJ-STEELER
09-10-2012, 06:08 PM
I know Tomlin has made a few questionable challenges in the past but I see nothing wrong with the one last night. He had to make a quick decision before Manning ran up to the line and snapped the ball. If by chance we win that challenge I think it changes the outcome of the game. Unfortunately it didn't go our way.

i agree

thats overturned and its a turnover. ball rolled out of the end zone

our ball on the 20..def worth the risk

chiken
09-10-2012, 06:50 PM
The Good :) Dwyer.. I do understand that he could only go for 1 play at a time (maybe it was the altitude) but he played hard every play.. He ran through guys, he fought for everything he could get on every touch (now the conditioning may be a whole different issue) He showed plenty of heart.

The bad.. Defensively where in the heck was the emotional leader on the field.. where was the fighter, the trash talker, the hype man - the guy who freaking had enough of getting bulled over.. We got chumped last night.

steelz09
09-10-2012, 07:20 PM
The Good :) Dwyer.. I do understand that he could only go for 1 play at a time (maybe it was the altitude) but he played hard every play.. He ran through guys, he fought for everything he could get on every touch (now the conditioning may be a whole different issue) He showed plenty of heart.

The bad.. Defensively where in the heck was the emotional leader on the field.. where was the fighter, the trash talker, the hype man - the guy who freaking had enough of getting bulled over.. We got chumped last night.

Woodley and Clark are the closest things we have to that. Clark wasn't playing and Woodley barely played.

birtikidis
09-10-2012, 07:44 PM
Well, why throw the ball when your qb has a tendency to hold the ball too long, take sacks or throw devastating pick 6's so much?

This is what Oviedo sounds like when it comes to lebeau. I just used Ben to show how ridiculous he sounds.

DukieBoy
09-10-2012, 08:33 PM
The BIG UGLY is how badly we got beat at the LOS on both sides of the ball. Watching this Cinci-Balt game, and I am thinking we could get massacred in the trenches in our own division. These teams both play highly aggressive ball at the LOS.

Chadman
09-10-2012, 09:09 PM
Looks to Chadman that the Steelers lacked a certain...attitude on defense. Could be that, instead of drafting athletes in the near future, the Steelers need to draft attitude. The Steelers don't look 'old & slow' to Chadman- they look 1 dimensional. They are fast coming forward, but retreating & laterally...slow & caught out. The D-Line looks like it needs an injection of angry. Thought the LB's were not too bad, particularly Foote. They obviously need Harrison. The DB's....it looks to Chadman like the Steelers are still playing the 'big DB' theory in order to stop the running game. That'd be fine if the DL did it's bit to help. In coverage, however, they all look a step behind. Is it field intelligence? Physical ability? Hard to say. Like Mr Pittsburgh said- the Steelers D is 'reactionary'. They don't 'impose their will' like they used to, or believe they still do. In Chadman's opinion, the Steelers D needs a more "live by the sword" attitude. Why not sell out on the blitz more? Why not throw everything at stuffing the run? This 10 yard cushion, reacting to the play stuff gets them nowhere. If the Manning's & Brady's are going to throw no-huddle offense at the Steelers, and the Steelers counter with the soft cushion- they'll get beat. If Manning/Brady goes no-huddle...blitz the bejesus out of them. Hurry THEM up. Will the Steelers give up TD's? Yes, probably. But it'll take away the dink-dunk offense that they lose to every year. Play a 4 DB mid/short-zone defense, and send the rest after the QB. Chadman still thinks Curtis Brown might be the best answer at CB.

On Offense- thought there were some signs there, particularly with the shorter passing game. Ben was really only under pressure late when they were forced into the longer passing game. Before that, thought it was very effecient. Not convinced that Redman can be more than a situational RB. Dwyer looks more complete. Batch & Rainey could be the keys to the Haley offense though. They should see the field more. Mendy is, without a doubt, the best RB on the roster. The OL looked ok in pass protection. They looked poor in run blocking...on the right side. Thought the left held up in the run game. Colon looked pretty good at OG. Adams got beat a couple of times, but Von Miller will beat better OT's than him during a season. Thought Adams held up pretty well, to be honest. Gilbert looked ok in his time, but he's definately a lumbering hulk on the field. Foster struggled, Legs struggled more. If those guys were the back-ups, and not starting, the OL would be pretty good. DeCastro is a big loss. The Steelers might have the best WR/TE group in the NFL. They are THAT good. Sanders did nothing wrong, all day.

winwithd
09-10-2012, 10:11 PM
Sanders did actually drop a catchable ball right before Rahim Moore hit him helmet to helmet. Fortunately it didnt matter cause we got the yards with the penalty. But I get your point, he did play well.

Anyone else think it was pass interference on the short slant to Brown at the goal line? I thought it definitely was.

However this loss goes on Ben. We lost 4 points when he didnt loft the ball to a WIDE OPEN Heath in the end zone. Those points would have made the 2 pt try unnecessary. That would have made a tie game on our last possession. Then in the fourth Denver blows a coverage and Wallace is left wide open but Ben is staring down the opposite side of the field and never sees him. On the pick-6 it appears he is staring at Sanders the whole time, making an easy pick. This is not the first he has made those kinds of mistakes, (2nd loss to Balt last year when Suggs jumps a pass). He seems to have one of those horrible WTF plays about once every few games and I think it keeps him from being mentioned as one of the very best QBs. I don't know if it is lack of discipline or what but it drives me nuts and I think it cost us the game last night.

I liked a lot of the play calls last night. I thought it was much less predictable than it has been. I miss the deep throws though, but I think they will come more as the season goes on and the offense develops.

DLine was bad. Why do we always seem to have someone (usually one of our own guys) falling on the back of our linemen's legs?

The ugly was John Elway. Why the heck did we have to see his ugly mug so often last night?

feltdizz
09-10-2012, 10:34 PM
Dizz...that was a fluke play, hardly something to be judging the quality of the defense for the rest of the season. Take away that one play & Manning's numbers are somewhat pedestrian. Now that said, like you I'm concerned that the D wasn't able to play to their pedigree but it's only the first game & the team wasn't at full strength, so let see how things look after a couple of more are in the books.

I never said it was an indicator of the whole season... but its pathetic to control the clock for 14 minutes and 24 seconds and still get outscored 7 to 3

Discipline of Steel
09-10-2012, 11:02 PM
think 'handfuls of Steeler jerseys' on that play

fordfixer
09-10-2012, 11:07 PM
think 'handfuls of Steeler jerseys' on that play
:-) ...................

NorthCoast
09-11-2012, 09:14 PM
How about a couple more goods:

1) Ben actually gave up on a play and threw the ball away. I distinctly remember the play because it happens so rarely, but maybe some preaching by Haley is starting to sink in.
2) Ziggy Hood had a decent day when you consider the refs made no effort to call blatant holding on a couple of plays.