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Starlifter
09-09-2012, 11:59 PM
I'm not gonna overreact to one game - but it drives me nuts the things that are clearly our weak points year in and year out (at least in recent years), never seem to get resolved.

looks like the o-line will continue to be a committee instead of a consistent healthy 5. the colts made it their mission to protect peyton. looks like the broncos had no problem continuing that tradition. the steelers? not so much.

the question mark on the defense was, will the young guys step up? I know we made some tackles tonight - but dang if I can recall who made them other than troy. captain keisel? hood? Heyward?

haley better plan on averaging 28 points a game.

ben gives a chance to win every game. it would be great if we didn't rely on him week in and week out to save the day.

peyton played great and the broncos are solid. next week against the jets should be telling about the true state of the steelers.

Snatch98
09-10-2012, 12:27 AM
I'm not gonna overreact to one game - but it drives me nuts the things that are clearly our weak points year in and year out (at least in recent years), never seem to get resolved.

looks like the o-line will continue to be a committee instead of a consistent healthy 5. the colts made it their mission to protect peyton. looks like the broncos had no problem continuing that tradition. the steelers? not so much.

the question mark on the defense was, will the young guys step up? I know we made some tackles tonight - but dang if I can recall who made them other than troy. captain keisel? hood? Heyward?

haley better plan on averaging 28 points a game.

ben gives a chance to win every game. it would be great if we didn't rely on him week in and week out to save the day.

peyton played great and the broncos are solid. next week against the jets should be telling about the true state of the steelers.

Ummm considering the injuries Ben had A LOT of time back there. I thought the offensive line played pretty well all things considered. Everyone overreacts immediately after the game. If Harrison is in the game we're pressuring Manning and despite what some say about Ryan Clark he allows Troy to be Troy. I'm not worried about this team.

Slapstick
09-10-2012, 12:29 AM
Until that last meaningless drive, the Steelers' pass pro was working...even after losing the entire right side of the line...

Starlifter
09-10-2012, 12:37 AM
Ummm considering the injuries Ben had A LOT of time back there. I thought the offensive line played pretty well all things considered. Everyone overreacts immediately after the game. If Harrison is in the game we're pressuring Manning and despite what some say about Ryan Clark he allows Troy to be Troy. I'm not worried about this team.

I don't think it's overreacting. going into the season the question marks (in my mind) were our ability to pressure opposing QB's, to stay healthy on the o-line and protect ben. tonight's game didn't give me any answers to those questions.

Snatch98
09-10-2012, 12:52 AM
I don't think it's overreacting. going into the season the question marks (in my mind) were our ability to pressure opposing QB's, to stay healthy on the o-line and protect ben. tonight's game didn't give me any answers to those questions.

The offensive line protected Ben all game outside of the final two minutes when they were sending the farm. We were also down to lineman and I would imagine both should be back next week. I thought to myself on several occasions, "Man if DeCastro was on this line right now". I was pretty pleased with how they played and as others have said I'm not that upset with this loss.

Oviedo
09-10-2012, 06:18 AM
I don't think it's overreacting. going into the season the question marks (in my mind) were our ability to pressure opposing QB's, to stay healthy on the o-line and protect ben. tonight's game didn't give me any answers to those questions.

We pressured Manning in the first half when we were aggressive and sent several inside blitzes, however then LeBeau reverted to form against a good QB as soon as Manning started to be sucessful and played scared waiting for Troy to do something spectatcular. The problem was that even Chris Collinsworth showed everyone on the broadcast how Manning was keying his audibles off of where Troy was. Everyone saw it so where was the adjustment on LeBeau's part...there was none because that is the template he puts out there every game.

steelblood
09-10-2012, 06:57 AM
We pressured Manning in the first half when we were aggressive and sent several inside blitzes, however then LeBeau reverted to form against a good QB as soon as Manning started to be sucessful and played scared waiting for Troy to do something spectatcular. The problem was that even Chris Collinsworth showed everyone on the broadcast how Manning was keying his audibles off of where Troy was. Everyone saw it so where was the adjustment on LeBeau's part...there was none because that is the template he puts out there every game.

Yes, we could have started Troy on one side and then flipped him (or something like that).

ikestops85
09-10-2012, 12:26 PM
We pressured Manning in the first half when we were aggressive and sent several inside blitzes, however then LeBeau reverted to form against a good QB as soon as Manning started to be sucessful and played scared waiting for Troy to do something spectatcular. The problem was that even Chris Collinsworth showed everyone on the broadcast how Manning was keying his audibles off of where Troy was. Everyone saw it so where was the adjustment on LeBeau's part...there was none because that is the template he puts out there every game.

:HeadBanger:HeadBanger

Are we back to this already? We blitzed linebackers up the middle. We sent safeties and corners from the outside. We dropped lineman into coverage. We played both man and zone. We tried everthing we could do but we didn't win the one on one battles. If you don't win them it doesn't matter what the DC calls. Believe it or not the players have something to do with how the defense performs. It's not all on the defensive coordinator.

There are times where you have me convinced you really think you know more about defense and what to call than LeBeau does. This is one of those times.

Oviedo
09-10-2012, 12:40 PM
:HeadBanger:HeadBanger

Are we back to this already? We blitzed linebackers up the middle. We sent safeties and corners from the outside. We dropped lineman into coverage. We played both man and zone. We tried everthing we could do but we didn't win the one on one battles. If you don't win them it doesn't matter what the DC calls. Believe it or not the players have something to do with how the defense performs. It's not all on the defensive coordinator.

There are times where you have me convinced you really think you know more about defense and what to call than LeBeau does. This is one of those times.


The only thing you forgot to do is tell me that the defense was ranked #1. Of course LeBeau knows more about football than me, but that doesn't mean that everyone won't reach their "sell by" date sooner or later. Chuck Noll, the greaest coach in Steelers history, reached the point where he couldn't do it anymore and he wasn't making the right decisions. Ever consider LeBeau may have reached that point.

I may not know as much as LeBeau but I have eyes and I see things objectively and the recipe for last night's failure on defense was the same one that have repeatedly appeared on a recurring basis going on the third year now. A good QB starts to connect on a few passes and the defense looks lost and goes passive. That is on the guy in charge of the defense just like on the offensive side of the ball.

If it didn't result in losses, it would be humorous the way when the offense fails it is on the OC and playcalling but when the defense fails the same way over and over it is on players "not winning one on one battles." Sooner or later you got to start to recognize the trends and not make excuses for the DC. :HeadBanger:HeadBanger:HeadBanger

SanAntonioSteelerFan
09-10-2012, 01:06 PM
I'm not gonna overreact to one game - but it drives me nuts the things that are clearly our weak points year in and year out (at least in recent years), never seem to get resolved.

looks like the o-line will continue to be a committee instead of a consistent healthy 5. the colts made it their mission to protect peyton. looks like the broncos had no problem continuing that tradition. the steelers? not so much.

the question mark on the defense was, will the young guys step up? I know we made some tackles tonight - but dang if I can recall who made them other than troy. captain keisel? hood? Heyward?

haley better plan on averaging 28 points a game.

ben gives a chance to win every game. it would be great if we didn't rely on him week in and week out to save the day.

peyton played great and the broncos are solid. next week against the jets should be telling about the true state of the steelers.

I was going to start a thread, but Starlifter said everything I was going to.

Wasn't there supposed to be an off-season, with like, uhmm, visible changes as a result?

Seems to me we're starting this season just like we ended last - injured and short-handed on the O-line, unable to reliably get more than 3 points after long scoring drives, unable to pressure the opposing QB when it counts >> giving up HUGE defensive plays, 3 yrds and a cloud of dust (what was our rushing average, did we break 3 yards per carry?), and having to pray that Ben pulls a SB-like drive at the end of the game otherwise we're gonna lose.

I know we've got valid reasons for our performance - injuries mainly - but I'm just saying this looked too familiar. What is it with us and OL injuries? Do we need different trainer techniques? There's got to be a reason ...

OK, rant off -

papillon
09-10-2012, 01:38 PM
We pressured Manning in the first half when we were aggressive and sent several inside blitzes, however then LeBeau reverted to form against a good QB as soon as Manning started to be sucessful and played scared waiting for Troy to do something spectatcular. The problem was that even Chris Collinsworth showed everyone on the broadcast how Manning was keying his audibles off of where Troy was. Everyone saw it so where was the adjustment on LeBeau's part...there was none because that is the template he puts out there every game.

The pressure was being applied while they were huddling between plays; once they abandoned that philosophy for the no-huddle the defense couldn't keep up. There are only a few quarterbacks that can handle the no-huddle in a fashion similar to Peyton, the defense should do better. Of course, they will have to deal with the no-huddle come playoff time, should they make the playoffs.

Pappy

Shawn
09-10-2012, 01:41 PM
This team was competitive with a very good Broncos team. The Steelers were one BB drive away from a W...in mile high stadium...first game mind you. The OL was horrible. The rest of the team didn't play like I know they can play. But, honestly that is encouraging. If they were exhausted, first game, mile high...and still did almost enough to win against a very good team...then I think we will be ok.

papillon
09-10-2012, 01:46 PM
The only thing you forgot to do is tell me that the defense was ranked #1. Of course LeBeau knows more about football than me, but that doesn't mean that everyone won't reach their "sell by" date sooner or later. Chuck Noll, the greaest coach in Steelers history, reached the point where he couldn't do it anymore and he wasn't making the right decisions. Ever consider LeBeau may have reached that point.

I may not know as much as LeBeau but I have eyes and I see things objectively and the recipe for last night's failure on defense was the same one that have repeatedly appeared on a recurring basis going on the third year now. A good QB starts to connect on a few passes and the defense looks lost and goes passive. That is on the guy in charge of the defense just like on the offensive side of the ball.

If it didn't result in losses, it would be humorous the way when the offense fails it is on the OC and playcalling but when the defense fails the same way over and over it is on players "not winning one on one battles." Sooner or later you got to start to recognize the trends and not make excuses for the DC. :HeadBanger:HeadBanger:HeadBanger

Both sides of the ball have their crutch and when the crutch gets kicked out from under the unit they stink. Ben on the offense and Troy/Harrison on the defense, each side of the ball is so reliant on these players that the slightest mistake by any of them creates a problem for the unit. If Collinsworth wouldn't have taken the viewers inside Peyton Mannings head over and over again as he avoided Troy Polamalu at all costs, everyone would have thought Troy stunk up the place last night. In actuality, Manning's respect for his play was identified and to what lengths he went to avoid him. However, without other play makers, Manning had a very efficient game.

Same with Ben, he was off the charts on third down, but one mistake the underthrow to Heath and the offense looks horrible. If Ben isn't in the game last night, the final would have been 31-6 or some such nonsense. His play 3rd down alone kept the Steelers in the game until the final pick 6.

Pappy

lloydroid
09-10-2012, 05:19 PM
:HeadBanger:HeadBanger

Are we back to this already? We blitzed linebackers up the middle. We sent safeties and corners from the outside. We dropped lineman into coverage. We played both man and zone. We tried everthing we could do but we didn't win the one on one battles. If you don't win them it doesn't matter what the DC calls. Believe it or not the players have something to do with how the defense performs. It's not all on the defensive coordinator.

There are times where you have me convinced you really think you know more about defense and what to call than LeBeau does. This is one of those times.

Talent matters a ton; you don't win in the NFL without it, no matter what schemes are being used. And why is no one mentioning that the D sh-t the bed after Manning went into no huddle; they couldn't get different packages on the field and he tore them up from then on. When they were running a standard set, huddling and all, Pgh did pretty damn well at not letting them score. After Manning went no huddle, they were toast.

NorthCoast
09-10-2012, 10:37 PM
What makes anyone think this team won't get better as the season continues? I liked some of the offensive play calls by Haley. In case anyone wasn't paying attention, the passing game had some nice plays against a solid defense. And the running game wasn't as bad as the numbers looked. I don't think there were more than a couple runs for losses, which isn't something we could say last season.