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steelz09
09-04-2012, 01:40 PM
Honestly, how is this our best K option?

IMO, this is the biggest 2012 failure of our coaching and front office in the offseason/preseason. Quite honestly, this wasn't a difficult problem to solve.

I will go on record, that Suisham will cost us at least 1 game this season and we won't make it to the SB with him as our K. Not this year, not ever as long as he's our K.

In the AFC, it's very likely that the road to the SB will be in:

#1 - Outdoor stadiums
#2 - Outdoor stadiums that have harsh weather/wind conditions. That could be New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and possibly even Denver or Cinci.

Suisham is simply not good beyond 40 yards especially if it's bad weather/wind which will require a stronger leg. He definitely has no business kicking in a place like Pittsburgh where weather/wind will be a factor. I'm farily certain that we'll need to make a few of those kicks to make it to the SB and he won't be able to come thru when needed.

Oviedo
09-04-2012, 01:50 PM
As I said in another thread, Suisham will cost us one, maybe two games this season.

It mystifies me that the front office is satisfied with him as a solution.

fezziwig
09-04-2012, 02:01 PM
I think this thread was posted last season or this past off season but never the less, it is true. What do they see in this guy ? I didn't need anyone to give me my thoughts on the guy because a I already developed them but, I heard/read from the fans of the other team/teams he was on and this is pretty much how they felt.
He looks good for a while but soon starts to go into a slump and as the pressure mounts or the games become more important the guy can't handle it.
He needs to go or at least go and get hypnotized. Oh yeah, his kickoffs are starting to make skippy look as if he had a leg made of steel.

skyhawk
09-04-2012, 06:42 PM
This is tongue in cheek but the Steelers won multiple Super Bowls with Roy Gerela. If Ben and Co can't learn to score in the Red Zone and the Defense can't produce any more turnovers than the pathetic production last year, the K won't matter at all.

RuthlessBurgher
09-04-2012, 09:44 PM
This is tongue in cheek but the Steelers won multiple Super Bowls with Roy Gerela. If Ben and Co can't learn to score in the Red Zone and the Defense can't produce any more turnovers than the pathetic production last year, the K won't matter at all.

Yeah, but Roy had a Gorilla-clad fan club back in the day...Suisham will never have fans dressing up in costume for games for him like this:

http://geekgonechic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sushi-costumes2.jpg
http://snickerdoodles.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5520ca9b788330120a620444e970b-500wi

NorthCoast
09-04-2012, 10:28 PM
The answer is Siusham's contract is guaranteed. With the Steelers against the cap while trying to fit Wallace and others into a contract, it didn't make sense to excerbate the matter by having to sign another kicker and deal with his cap hit.
As I wrote a while back, even if the Steelers averaged an extra field goal in every game, their offensive woes would still only ranked them as average in scoring offense.
As stated by most, the Steelers need TDs not FGs.

skyhawk
09-05-2012, 01:04 AM
Yeah, but Roy had a Gorilla-clad fan club back in the day...Suisham will never have fans dressing up in costume for games for him like this:

http://geekgonechic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sushi-costumes2.jpg
http://snickerdoodles.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5520ca9b788330120a620444e970b-500wi

Now that's classic! How do you come up with this sheist? LOL.

hawaiiansteel
09-05-2012, 01:26 AM
let's just hope we don't need a 52-yard field goal in the closing seconds in this year's Super Bowl from Suisham to win it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5jmEqiBCY

phillyesq
09-05-2012, 11:43 AM
The answer is Siusham's contract is guaranteed. With the Steelers against the cap while trying to fit Wallace and others into a contract, it didn't make sense to excerbate the matter by having to sign another kicker and deal with his cap hit.
As I wrote a while back, even if the Steelers averaged an extra field goal in every game, their offensive woes would still only ranked them as average in scoring offense.
As stated by most, the Steelers need TDs not FGs.

There is a dead money cap hit if Suisham is cut, but his contract isn't guaranteed unless he is on the week 1 roster, at which time he could elect to take his full salary as termination pay.

Or am I missing something?

fezziwig
09-05-2012, 11:48 AM
The teams Gerella was on can't be compared to these teams because the 70's teams were the best. There are teams that have won the Super Bowl with field goal kicks and others that lost the Super Bowl with misses. Teams need a good kicker and punter.

aggiebones
09-05-2012, 08:29 PM
OK, so he is expected to make a 52 yarder? Why didn't Ben get the team closer.
And that was hardly the closing minutes of the SB.
If we need to make a 52 yarder to win the SB, its at best a coin toss for all the kickers in the league. Dumb point.
He ain't great, but the rookie wasn't the choice...or he wouldn't be out of work.
There's only 10 good kickers and those teams aren't giving them up.

hawaiiansteel
09-05-2012, 08:36 PM
OK, so he is expected to make a 52 yarder?

he could try and come a little closer, that kick was embarrassing.

fezziwig
09-06-2012, 08:06 AM
with the cheating tom brady and the great peyton manning, they both had a great kicker on their teams and the same guy. talk is he will be a hof. suisham stinks and will cost us games. his kickoffs aren't anything to brag about either.

Oviedo
09-06-2012, 08:40 AM
with the cheating tom brady and the great peyton manning, they both had a great kicker on their teams and the same guy. talk is he will be a hof. suisham stinks and will cost us games. his kickoffs aren't anything to brag about either.

I really believe that our front office is one of the Top 3 in the NFL. That is why it baffles me that they can't either don't feel the need or can't find a better solution for our Kicker than Suisham. The position is so important and at least 3-4 games per year are determined by the Kicker and we don't have a good one. I agree, we are going to lose games because of Suisham.

aggiebones
09-06-2012, 09:04 AM
So you are comparing suisham to the best kicker in NFL history? That makes sense.
When you are relying on a kicker to make a 52 yard field goal, then the entire team has already failed. You can't put it on him if they lose.

aggiebones
09-06-2012, 09:05 AM
Do you know how many kickers have missed under 40 yard field goals at the end of games? Those are the Kickers that I consider the 1 that lost games.

fezziwig
09-06-2012, 06:15 PM
No, Im comparing Shuisham with what he is paid to do and what he is expected to do. If Tomlin didn't expect him to make field goals, Tomlin wouldn't have him go out and kick the ball.
As for the best kicker in NFL history that is my point exactly. The Cheats had him first and he won them a good share of games and the Colts wanted him badly enough to sign him. They seen the value of having an ace of a kicker on their team.
Shuisam stinks and if I looked up his stats I bet he is one of the worse kickers or has some of the worse stats among current kickers. I would have rather had the rookie kicker because maybe, he would get better and with Shuisham the well traveled kicker and he will never be more than what he is. An average to below average kicker on the decline.

Sugar
09-06-2012, 07:27 PM
When you are relying on a kicker to make a 52 yard field goal, then the entire team has already failed. You can't put it on him if they lose.

This= $$$$$

fezziwig
09-06-2012, 07:52 PM
Of course you can't put the loss on the kicker but at least have a kicker that could possibly make the kick. Who would be upset if a kicker won a game or two for the team ? Besides, it's not the subject of what games he will win for us but the games he will lose for us.