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lloydroid
08-31-2012, 02:54 PM
I am not usually one of those "Claim we should sign every single free agent that gets cut" and I find those dudes kind of annoying, always saying we should pick up every free agent ever mentioned, even when they are obviously not a fit. Like, "Let's sign TO" when Pgh is the most anti-TO type of team of all time.

But, in this case, I SEE a fit. Skins just cut Hightower. He's a decent, pretty solid back. We are thin at back, being that we have NO ONE healthy who has EVER proven they can play a full load week to week. As discussed, ad nauseum, Redman is a weekly injury waiting to happen, and JD seems to "tap out" very quickly up to this point. That leaves us with a 3rd down back with Rainey, and a total unproven Batch. Hightower would be excellent insurance at running back. No, he is not a future hall of famer, but he is solid. He will never be a top 5 or 10 back, but he would do plenty good enough if we needed him, and he is pretty proven to stay healthy from what I recall.

Pick up Hightower. He would come cheap. Other wise, if we rely on IR and JD only, we could be in deep trouble. I love JD's skill, but I admit he is unproven, as far as being able to touch the rock 25 times a game. I have no idea if he will hold up. I know Hightower can. He runs pretty hard and has some quicks to him. A lot more than IR, any how.

RuthlessBurgher
08-31-2012, 03:48 PM
Mendenhall is going to be in the mix sooner rather than later. If the team foresaw that he would be out for another 6 week, then he would still be on PUP but he's not...he was actually in uniform last night. I expect Mendenhall to return at some point in September, at which point our depth at RB suddenly looks pretty solid overall.

lloydroid
08-31-2012, 04:33 PM
Mendenhall is going to be in the mix sooner rather than later. If the team foresaw that he would be out for another 6 week, then he would still be on PUP but he's not...he was actually in uniform last night. I expect Mendenhall to return at some point in September, at which point our depth at RB suddenly looks pretty solid overall.

I would be fairly surprised if RM was productive by Sept. That seems pretty quick to recover from an ACL. Maybe there have been advances in technology or something. RM ran like a wussy before his injury. What can we expect of him after a serious knee injury? Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised, but I have a hard time believing RM will be productive so soon.

Slapstick
08-31-2012, 05:38 PM
Hightower is also coming back from ACL repair surgery...

Slapstick
08-31-2012, 05:41 PM
Dale Lolley thinks that Dwyer may get the start in Denver, giving 3rd down and short yardage roles to Redman...

lloydroid
08-31-2012, 06:40 PM
Dale Lolley thinks that Dwyer may get the start in Denver, giving 3rd down and short yardage roles to Redman...

Then we have a chance. Still don't know if we can pull off a W, but if JD gets enough touches, we have a shot

Slapstick
08-31-2012, 07:01 PM
Then we have a chance. Still don't know if we can pull off a W, but if JD gets enough touches, we have a shot

Redman tore them up for 120 yards...

If the Steelers play defense, we have a shot...

Steel Life
08-31-2012, 07:03 PM
Hightower is not an option, he just isn't fully recovered.

As for Dwyer taking over...really? Redman proved himself in games to get his shot & JD will get more playing time than he deserved before - this is wishful thinking by Lolley.

Shawn
08-31-2012, 07:38 PM
Redman tore them up for 120 yards...

If the Steelers play defense, we have a shot...

Exactly...we will score. This is going to be about stopping Manning.

Djfan
08-31-2012, 09:13 PM
I also think that denver's d line went backwards this year. Let's hope Redman and Dwyer tear them up.

RuthlessBurgher
08-31-2012, 11:29 PM
I would be fairly surprised if RM was productive by Sept. That seems pretty quick to recover from an ACL. Maybe there have been advances in technology or something. RM ran like a wussy before his injury. What can we expect of him after a serious knee injury? Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised, but I have a hard time believing RM will be productive so soon.

Adrian Peterson tore his ACL a week before Mendenhall (Mendenhall's injury was on New Year's Day, and Peterson's injury was on Christmas Eve). Right now, Peterson is 50-50 to start week one. Judging by the fact that Mendenhall was in uniform last night, I figure that Mendenhall isn't too far behind Peterson in terms of their rehab.

As for Mendenhall running like a "wussy" and Dwyer being the best RB we have...you do realize that Mendenhall has nearly 4000 yards of total offense and 30 touchdowns on his resume, right? Dwyer's has 151 rushing yards in his entire career, while Mendenhall has 3 single games with at least that many rushing yards (151 against Buffalo on 11-28-10, 155 against Denver on 11-9-09, and 165 against San Diego on 10-4-09).

Oviedo
09-01-2012, 06:33 AM
Adrian Peterson tore his ACL a week before Mendenhall (Mendenhall's injury was on New Year's Day, and Peterson's injury was on Christmas Eve). Right now, Peterson is 50-50 to start week one. Judging by the fact that Mendenhall was in uniform last night, I figure that Mendenhall isn't too far behind Peterson in terms of their rehab.

As for Mendenhall running like a "wussy" and Dwyer being the best RB we have...you do realize that Mendenhall has nearly 4000 yards of total offense and 30 touchdowns on his resume, right? Dwyer's has 151 rushing yards in his entire career, while Mendenhall has 3 single games with at least that many rushing yards (151 against Buffalo on 11-28-10, 155 against Denver on 11-9-09, and 165 against San Diego on 10-4-09).

Mendenhall is far better than many give him credit for. Fortunately the organization sees that and that is what matters.

Oviedo
09-01-2012, 06:35 AM
Dale Lolley thinks that Dwyer may get the start in Denver, giving 3rd down and short yardage roles to Redman...

Dwyer earned it and is the more complete RB

AngryAsian
09-01-2012, 09:04 AM
Adrian Peterson tore his ACL a week before Mendenhall (Mendenhall's injury was on New Year's Day, and Peterson's injury was on Christmas Eve). Right now, Peterson is 50-50 to start week one. Judging by the fact that Mendenhall was in uniform last night, I figure that Mendenhall isn't too far behind Peterson in terms of their rehab.

As for Mendenhall running like a "wussy" and Dwyer being the best RB we have...you do realize that Mendenhall has nearly 4000 yards of total offense and 30 touchdowns on his resume, right? Dwyer's has 151 rushing yards in his entire career, while Mendenhall has 3 single games with at least that many rushing yards (151 against Buffalo on 11-28-10, 155 against Denver on 11-9-09, and 165 against San Diego on 10-4-09).

I know the numbers do not lie, but I just cringe when Mendy is in the backfield. I would surmise that this is how it is with most Steeler fans who are so acclimated to our historic style of smashmouth football. Though Mendy's dimensions surely dictate that he can wrap his mitts around the rock, protect it and run north/south. But seems to enjoy spinning, dancing, and cradling the ball low and in one hand tucked only in his forearm, thus very prone to being stripped. Opposing defenses know this and are ready to assist Mendy in continuing his fumbling ways. That being said, I wish the RB coach really work with him on this particular weakness so he can be asset once more.

DukieBoy
09-01-2012, 09:40 AM
I know the numbers do not lie, but I just cringe when Mendy is in the backfield. I would surmise that this is how it is with most Steeler fans who are so acclimated to our historic style of smashmouth football. Though Mendy's dimensions surely dictate that he can wrap his mitts around the rock, protect it and run north/south. But seems to enjoy spinning, dancing, and cradling the ball low and in one hand tucked only in his forearm, thus very prone to being stripped. Opposing defenses know this and are ready to assist Mendy in continuing his fumbling ways. That being said, I wish the RB coach really work with him on this particular weakness so he can be asset once more.

Not to argue with GG (his observations of Mendy's running style ring true with me), but ...
I have cringed when our RB's, Mendy or anyone, has had to run behind an Offensive Line that mostly only offended Steeler tradition and fans and professional-level play, and had to run in an offense managed by a coordinator who de-emphasized practicing the run game which helped to make it even less effective than it could have been. In that context, I think Mendy has been a very effective RB and is under-appreciated. BTW, I remember criticisms of Franco Harris for avoiding hits, running out-of-bounds instead of fighting for the extra yard, etc. Last I knew, Franco had a reasonably long and effective career and is in the HOF.

NJ-STEELER
09-01-2012, 10:08 AM
Dwyer earned it and is the more complete RB

earned it how?

redman has shown what he can do in the regular season and playoffs, not just against camp fodder or vets going half ass in pre season

Slapstick
09-01-2012, 10:28 AM
Not to argue with GG, but ...

Why is he still GG? Lent was over ages ago...:confused:

phillyesq
09-01-2012, 10:34 AM
I don't see Hightower as an upgrade at all. Look at the guys he couldn't beat out in D.C. Ray Helu? Alfred Morris? Sorry, if he can't make that team, he probably will not be of much help in Pittsburgh.

lloydroid
09-01-2012, 12:09 PM
Adrian Peterson tore his ACL a week before Mendenhall (Mendenhall's injury was on New Year's Day, and Peterson's injury was on Christmas Eve). Right now, Peterson is 50-50 to start week one. Judging by the fact that Mendenhall was in uniform last night, I figure that Mendenhall isn't too far behind Peterson in terms of their rehab.

As for Mendenhall running like a "wussy" and Dwyer being the best RB we have...you do realize that Mendenhall has nearly 4000 yards of total offense and 30 touchdowns on his resume, right? Dwyer's has 151 rushing yards in his entire career, while Mendenhall has 3 single games with at least that many rushing yards (151 against Buffalo on 11-28-10, 155 against Denver on 11-9-09, and 165 against San Diego on 10-4-09).

AP's knee was far worse than JD's too. I think it's kind of crazy to rush him back.

Of course RM's had far more yards, that's because he PLAYED. He got the bulk of the carries. RM is a FIRST ROUND PICK. JD would have gone undrafted if Pgh didn't take him. What you assert is HISTORY. The past is not a certain indicator of the FUTURE. They say it takes TWO years to really, fully come back all the way from an ACL. We will see.

lloydroid
09-01-2012, 12:20 PM
I don't see Hightower as an upgrade at all. Look at the guys he couldn't beat out in D.C. Ray Helu? Alfred Morris? Sorry, if he can't make that team, he probably will not be of much help in Pittsburgh.

Roy (not Ray) Helu ran 151 times for 640 yards at a 4.2 avg. RM had a 4.1 apc - virtually the same. And rushing the ball on the dead skin team would be more difficult than rushing as a Steeler. What weapons did the skins have to keep defenses honest? Who did they have throwing the ball? Rex Freakin Grossman?

Now, one valid point that I had forgot is that TH tore up his knee as well. After considering that, probably not worth picking him up, since we have our own back in the same situation. And it looks like TH re-hurt his knee. They rushed him back too quickly. I hate when they do that.


The Washington Post believes Tim Hightower's release was due to the health of his knee.
Hightower, just 10 months removed from an ACL tear, played reasonably well in the third preseason game. Afterward, however, pain flared up and he was noticeably limping just a few days later. Hightower isn't going to attract any attention on the open market until he proves his knee is ready to go. Sep. 1 - 10:56 am et
Source: Washington Post

lloydroid
09-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Not to argue with GG (his observations of Mendy's running style ring true with me), but ...
I have cringed when our RB's, Mendy or anyone, has had to run behind an Offensive Line that mostly only offended Steeler tradition and fans and professional-level play, and had to run in an offense managed by a coordinator who de-emphasized practicing the run game which helped to make it even less effective than it could have been. In that context, I think Mendy has been a very effective RB and is under-appreciated. BTW, I remember criticisms of Franco Harris for avoiding hits, running out-of-bounds instead of fighting for the extra yard, etc. Last I knew, Franco had a reasonably long and effective career and is in the HOF.

I totally agree with Duckie's assessment on RM. And RM couldn't carry Franco's jock, let alone be comparable to him on a football field. Franco is a HALL OF FAME back who didn't hesitate in the hole like RM. Yes, he stepped out of bounds to
avoid unnecessary contact. Big difference. RM stutter step and endless spins are not the stuff of Franco. Not even close. There is just something not there with RM. He has all the physical measurables to be a top NFL back, but he just isn't. He is missing the killer desire to gobble up yards. It's almost like he runs to not get hurt and is timid far too often. And he never breaks that final tackle to take it to the house. He always gets taken down by that last defender. I am sick of his act.

DukieBoy
09-01-2012, 12:42 PM
I totally agree with Duckie's assessment on RM. And RM couldn't carry Franco's jock, let alone be comparable to him on a football field. Franco is a HALL OF FAME back who didn't hesitate in the hole like RM. Yes, he stepped out of bounds to
avoid unnecessary contact. Big difference. RM stutter step and endless spins are not the stuff of Franco. Not even close. There is just something not there with RM. He has all the physical measurables to be a top NFL back, but he just isn't. He is missing the killer desire to gobble up yards. It's almost like he runs to not get hurt and is timid far too often. And he never breaks that final tackle to take it to the house. He always gets taken down by that last defender. I am sick of his act.

;)Quack! The point was not to compare Mendy to Franco, the point was to compare the fans' criticism of Mend to the fans' criticism of Franco. Sorry if that was not clear to you. Franco took alot of fan heat for his affinity for the safety of the sidelines.

Slapstick
09-01-2012, 02:24 PM
You know what Mendehall does well? Scores TDs...

He's scored 30 in the last three years...

RuthlessBurgher
09-01-2012, 02:35 PM
You know what Mendehall does well? Scores TDs...

He's scored 30 in the last three years...

"All he does is score touchdowns" -Buddy Ryan ;)

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZlyPSjSfmwGoK4iOOgOjQHi_AQs04x NGUSgJMJkXmapdVmOBf&t=1

Eddie Spaghetti
09-01-2012, 02:50 PM
I am getting confused here.

mendenhall is being criticized for not running hard enough and fighting for every yard while redman is being criticized for doing the exact opposite. Seems someone wants to have it both ways.

maybe someone will just say a anythjng to prop up jonathan dwyer.

lloydroid
09-01-2012, 02:53 PM
You know what Mendehall does well? Scores TDs...

He's scored 30 in the last three years...

That's nice and all, but with RM as our starting back Pgh's rushing attack has been below average, and for a team that cherishes running the ball, that ain't so good. RM apc was only 4.1. I would like to see our #1 back rushing with at least a 4.5 avg.

Slapstick
09-01-2012, 02:56 PM
That's nice and all, but with RM as our starting back Pgh's rushing attack has been below average, and for a team that cherishes running the ball, that ain't so good. RM apc was only 4.1. I would like to see our #1 back rushing with at least a 4.5 avg.

You know who has a 4.5 YpC avg. for the Steelers? Isaac Redman...

lloydroid
09-01-2012, 03:22 PM
I am getting confused here.

mendenhall is being criticized for not running hard enough and fighting for every yard while redman is being criticized for doing the exact opposite. Seems someone wants to have it both ways.

maybe someone will just say a anythjng to prop up jonathan dwyer.

Eddie, the world (and your use of the English language) is not always as simple as black and white. Not everything is mutually exclusive. You see, it is possible for both assertions to be true: RM does stutter step and spin too much and IR will be hurt often due to his running style. Both can be true but if you look at this in too simple of a manner, you can't grasp both concepts in unison. We shall see if IR does indeed play every game of the season.

Eddie Spaghetti
09-01-2012, 03:26 PM
Eddie, the world (and your use of the English language) is not always as simple as black and white. Not everything is mutually exclusive. You see, it is possible for both assertions to be true: RM does stutter step and spin too much and IR will be hurt often due to his running style. Both can be true but if you look at this in too simple of a manner, you can't grasp both concepts in unison. We shall see if IR does indeed play every game of the season.

or maybe you just talk out of both sides of your mouth as long as it fits your agenda on dwyer.

yeah, I'm going with that one.

hawaiiansteel
09-01-2012, 03:39 PM
the world is not always as simple as black and white.

I thought the world was black and gold? :tt2

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0828/play_showered_black_gold_576.jpg

grotonsteel
09-01-2012, 05:10 PM
I thought the world was black and gold? :tt2

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0828/play_showered_black_gold_576.jpg

Well said HS..World is black and gold..:tt2

I wish there was a like button.

AngryAsian
09-02-2012, 01:00 AM
Not to argue with GG (his observations of Mendy's running style ring true with me), but ...
I have cringed when our RB's, Mendy or anyone, has had to run behind an Offensive Line that mostly only offended Steeler tradition and fans and professional-level play, and had to run in an offense managed by a coordinator who de-emphasized practicing the run game which helped to make it even less effective than it could have been. In that context, I think Mendy has been a very effective RB and is under-appreciated. BTW, I remember criticisms of Franco Harris for avoiding hits, running out-of-bounds instead of fighting for the extra yard, etc. Last I knew, Franco had a reasonably long and effective career and is in the HOF.

Duke, I agree that having to run behind a porous OL the past couple if seasons, surely hasn't helped his efforts and my mention of the classic smashmouth running style, that many have been begging to see instituted once more, is an assertion that I do not share. My observation is that when Mendy returns to the line up, he does so with mechanics elevated and ball protection at the forefront of his mind. Maybe the plays ran under the BS regime were too slow in developing and Haley's bag of tricks will increase his production? Don't know... But last year it seemed he couldnt hit the holes created fast enough and that's when he got cute with his Dancing with the Stars routine. Just hate it when he gets cute back there.

phillyesq
09-02-2012, 10:04 AM
Roy (not Ray) Helu ran 151 times for 640 yards at a 4.2 avg. RM had a 4.1 apc - virtually the same. And rushing the ball on the dead skin team would be more difficult than rushing as a Steeler. What weapons did the skins have to keep defenses honest? Who did they have throwing the ball? Rex Freakin Grossman?

Now, one valid point that I had forgot is that TH tore up his knee as well. After considering that, probably not worth picking him up, since we have our own back in the same situation. And it looks like TH re-hurt his knee. They rushed him back too quickly. I hate when they do that.

I stand corrected. Helu is not relevant enough for me to have learned his first name yet.

fordfixer
09-02-2012, 11:02 AM
Roy (not Ray) Helu ran 151 times for 640 yards at a 4.2 avg. RM had a 4.1 apc - virtually the same.
If 4.1and4.2 are virtually the same then Ray is close enough to Roy just saying

lloydroid
09-02-2012, 03:51 PM
Don't know... But last year it seemed he couldnt hit the holes created fast enough and that's when he got cute with his Dancing with the Stars routine. Just hate it when he gets cute back there.

Totally agree. That and the fact that he never breaks that last tackle to take it to the house is frustrating. I have tried to give RM every chance but there is just something missing with this guy. It's like he plays smaller than he is. I don't think he likes the physicality of the NFL. He never has.

lloydroid
09-02-2012, 03:53 PM
You know who has a 4.5 YpC avg. for the Steelers? Isaac Redman...

Because of a limited amount of carries. You give him 20 carries a game and that apc will come down.

lloydroid
09-02-2012, 03:58 PM
or maybe you just talk out of both sides of your mouth as long as it fits your agenda on dwyer.

yeah, I'm going with that one.

You go with whatever simple view of the world that makes you comfortable. God bless. I don't think you have the ability to grasp the concept that not everything is mutually exclusive. And that's OK. Fact is, RM does stutter step and spin too much for the NFL. The other fact is IR running style is going to get him injured a lot. Both are true. It's OK if you can't maintain both assertions at the same time.

Slapstick
09-02-2012, 04:48 PM
Because of a limited amount of carries. You give him 20 carries a game and that apc will come down.

Or maybe not...

In the two games where he carried the ball the most, in Cleveland and in Denver, he averaged 4.8 yards per carry and 7.1 yards per carry...

aggiebones
09-03-2012, 01:35 PM
indeed
when life is as simple as black and gold, it is wonderful

lloydroid
09-03-2012, 01:48 PM
indeed
when life is as simple as black and gold, it is wonderful

Some truth to that. :cool:

Djfan
09-03-2012, 08:12 PM
Totally agree. That and the fact that he never breaks that last tackle to take it to the house is frustrating. I have tried to give RM every chance but there is just something missing with this guy. It's like he plays smaller than he is. I don't think he likes the physicality of the NFL. He never has.

This part really gets me. It seems that he can't break even the first one. I agree that something is just missing with him, but I hope it gets coached out of him.

Shoe
09-03-2012, 09:18 PM
Dwyer earned it and is the more complete RB

TBH, neither has shown the urgency that you wish you'd see from two young backs given the opportunity to land a job. Dwyer has done some good things, no doubt. But frankly, both have disappointed (what with getting hurt, missing time, etc.) in terms of showing how much they want the job. If I go strictly by this preseason, I'd say Dwyer showed more urgency. But he hasn't exactly shown an Emmitt Smith-like drive. Redman is/was my favorite coming in, and I'd lean still in his favor just because that. But he's let me down this preseason with his apparent laissez-faire attitude (to the starting position).

Slapstick
09-03-2012, 09:23 PM
TBH, neither has shown the urgency that you wish you'd see from two young backs given the opportunity to land a job. Dwyer has done some good things, no doubt. But frankly, both have disappointed (what with getting hurt, missing time, etc.) in terms of showing how much they want the job. If I go strictly by this preseason, I'd say Dwyer showed more urgency. But he hasn't exactly shown an Emmitt Smith-like drive. Redman is/was my favorite coming in, and I'd lean still in his favor just because that. But he's let me down this preseason with his apparent laissez-faire attitude (to the starting position).

I've never equated being injured with having a laissez-faire attitude...