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lloydroid
08-29-2012, 02:47 PM
Source: Steelers.com - Teresa Varley

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Isaac Redman (ankle) missed practice Monday, Aug. 27, due to an ankle injury, according to head coach Mike Tomlin.

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Hip, groin, ankle -- the injuries have been piling up for Redman this preseason. He'll start for the Steelers while Rashard Mendenhall continue to recover from his late season knee injury. If Redman misses time the team will turn to Jonathan Dwyer as the lead back.

Watching the Bills game I came away with the same conclusion: This dude's running style will have him hurt all year if he is a starting back. In order for him to stay in one piece, he needs to have just a handful of carries a game. Pgh needs to just know it as fact and plan on JD as the starting back. If they can't see this obvious trend, they are dumber than I thought. I have seen this all along and I don't get paid to do this for a living.

steelfin
08-29-2012, 03:03 PM
Watching the Bills game I came away with the same conclusion: This dude's running style will have him hurt all year if he is a starting back. In order for him to stay in one piece, he needs to have just a handful of carries a game. Pgh needs to just know it as fact and plan on JD as the starting back. If they can't see this obvious trend, they are dumber than I thought. I have seen this all along and I don't get paid to do this for a living.

I see a different trend....

Slapstick
08-29-2012, 05:16 PM
How much was Redman going to play against Carolina?

This game will be a showcase for non-starters and roster spot fights...

aggiebones
08-29-2012, 05:16 PM
Seriously, just start a Dwyer site. This board is getting lame.

lloydroid
08-29-2012, 05:42 PM
How much was Redman going to play against Carolina?

This game will be a showcase for non-starters and roster spot fights...

I doubt Redman sees a single carry - will any starters play at all? By the 2nd half,
it will be a bunch of dudes who will be out of the NFL in a few days.

lloydroid
08-29-2012, 05:43 PM
Seriously, just start a Dwyer site. This board is getting lame.

So now there is something wrong with be enthused about a Steeler player? OK, what kind of site would you prefer? One where we hate the entire team?

D Rock
08-29-2012, 06:05 PM
So now there is something wrong with be enthused about a Steeler player? OK, what kind of site would you prefer? One where we hate the entire team?

nope. But there is something wrong with starting new threads to continue old man crushes. Just keep it centralized is all we ask.

SteelCrazy
08-29-2012, 07:24 PM
Yes lloyd, this is a professional fan site. Get your stuff together.

pittpete
08-29-2012, 07:25 PM
If they can't see this obvious trend, they are dumber than I thought.

Hmmmm, this guy seems familiar...
Is this the guy last year who called everyone stupid and then left or got banned?
Cant remember that jokers name.
Same as last year, joined in August and posted like crazy everyday calling peiople names.
Anyone remember hisname?

Discipline of Steel
08-29-2012, 07:36 PM
Hmmmm, this guy seems familiar...
Is this the guy last year who called everyone stupid and then left or got banned?
Cant remember that jokers name.
Same as last year, joined in August and posted like crazy everyday calling peiople names.
Anyone remember hisname?

Speak not the devils name for if you call him, he shall appear.

Seriously, i think maybe the trend is to overemphasize the injuries to rationalize keeping him out of the preseason games so he doesnt go into Denver nicked up.

aggiebones
08-29-2012, 08:06 PM
lloydroid, Since youve arrived, you've only pimped Dwyer. Its kinda ridiculous and you started 3 new threads about it. What percentage of your posts were about him, 98 or 99%. Don't claim you are just pumped about a player.

GGPa
08-29-2012, 08:11 PM
Speak not the devils name for if you call him, he shall appear.

Seriously, i think maybe the trend is to overemphasize the injuries to rationalize keeping him out of the preseason games so he doesnt go into Denver nicked up.
I agree.
@Lloyd A little adversity keeps a man on his toes.

lloydroid
08-29-2012, 10:05 PM
lloydroid, Since youve arrived, you've only pimped Dwyer. Its kinda ridiculous and you started 3 new threads about it. What percentage of your posts were about him, 98 or 99%. Don't claim you are just pumped about a player.

I am calling BS on that right now. How much $ you want to bet that 99% of my posts are not on Dwyer? Let's do this thing. How much $ you want to wager on this?

pittpete
08-29-2012, 10:39 PM
Haaaa, I remembered it..
Insanesteelersfan.....
Is that you incognito lloydroid?
Cmon be honest bro it's all for fun..:p

D Rock
08-29-2012, 10:59 PM
I am calling BS on that right now. How much $ you want to bet that 99% of my posts are not on Dwyer? Let's do this thing. How much $ you want to wager on this?


great idea! You guys should totally bet e-dollars on it!

Oviedo
08-30-2012, 04:35 AM
Watching the Bills game I came away with the same conclusion: This dude's running style will have him hurt all year if he is a starting back. In order for him to stay in one piece, he needs to have just a handful of carries a game. Pgh needs to just know it as fact and plan on JD as the starting back. If they can't see this obvious trend, they are dumber than I thought. I have seen this all along and I don't get paid to do this for a living.

I've been saying this since Redman was annoited as having everything Mendenhall doesn't and therefore the new fan flavor of the week. The pfysical straight ahead running absorbing contact that fans like to see is what will keep him off the field for several games this season. We need Mendy to get well sooner rather than later. I have always had high hopes for Dwyer but Mendy is the surer bet if healthy.

BradshawsHairdresser
08-30-2012, 08:56 AM
This thread is ridiculous. If you break it down to injuries per career carry, Dwyer is more injury prone than Redman. And I know of no statistic that bears out the claim that "physical, straight ahead running absorbing contact" is either more likely to "keep a player off the field for several games" or that it's "what fans like to see." Speaking for myself, I love to see backs bounce off to the outside and display great open field running ability just as much as I like to see a good inside running game. It's EFFECTIVE running that I want to see. If you polled fans, I'd be surprised if the majority felt any different about it.

In today's NFL, it's good to have a stable of backs with varying running styles. I don't think any of these backs are going to be used exclusively; Haley will use a platoon system. But there are times when you need the surer bet on short yardage, and up until now, Redman has looked like the best back in those situations. Maybe Dwyer will prove to be just as good in short yardage. Based on his body of work, Mendenhall hasn't looked like that guy to me.

I don't care if it's Redman #1 and Dwyer #2, or Dwyer #1 and Redman #2, or Mendy #1 and Redman #2, or Redman #1 and Mendy #2, or some other combination of Mendy, Redman and Dwyer, as long as the running game is EFFECTIVE. I'm tired of watching RBs dancing in the backfield and getting knocked for a loss on a large percentage of our running plays. I'm tired of seeing them, way too often, gain one yard when we need two.

Dwyer has looked impressive in limited preseason action. If he continues to play that way, I think Mendy will likely be playing for a different team next season.

Oviedo
08-30-2012, 09:08 AM
This thread is ridiculous. If you break it down to injuries per career carry, Dwyer is more injury prone than Redman. And I know of no statistic that bears out the claim that "physical, straight ahead running absorbing contact" is either more likely to "keep a player off the field for several games" or that it's "what fans like to see." Speaking for myself, I love to see backs bounce off to the outside and display great open field running ability just as much as I like to see a good inside running game. It's EFFECTIVE running that I want to see. If you polled fans, I'd be surprised if the majority felt any different about it.

In today's NFL, it's good to have a stable of backs with varying running styles. I don't think any of these backs are going to be used exclusively; Haley will use a platoon system. But there are times when you need the surer bet on short yardage, and up until now, Redman has looked like the best back in those situations. Maybe Dwyer will prove to be just as good in short yardage. Based on his body of work, Mendenhall hasn't looked like that guy to me.

I don't care if it's Redman #1 and Dwyer #2, or Dwyer #1 and Redman #2, or Mendy #1 and Redman #2, or Redman #1 and Mendy #2, or some other combination of Mendy, Redman and Dwyer, as long as the running game is EFFECTIVE. I'm tired of watching RBs dancing in the backfield and getting knocked for a loss on a large percentage of our running plays. I'm tired of seeing them, way too often, gain one yard when we need two.

Dwyer has looked impressive in limited preseason action. If he continues to play that way, I think Mendy will likely be playing for a different team next season.

The difference is thet Redman is suppose to be "The Man" because he is much tougher than Mendenhall. That is what many have wanted for two years and now that he has the chance he has been dinged through most of the preseason. I doubt he gets annointed with holy water before week #1 and doesn't get hurt. He will miss games. We will need all our RBs to contribute.

feltdizz
08-30-2012, 09:13 AM
I think the trend is ALL RB's are injury prone because 11 guys are trying to tackle a RB when they have the ball.

feltdizz
08-30-2012, 09:16 AM
I've been saying this since Redman was annoited as having everything Mendenhall doesn't and therefore the new fan flavor of the week. The pfysical straight ahead running absorbing contact that fans like to see is what will keep him off the field for several games this season. We need Mendy to get well sooner rather than later. I have always had high hopes for Dwyer but Mendy is the surer bet if healthy.

flavor of the week? lol....

JDSteeler
08-30-2012, 09:39 AM
Watching the Bills game I came away with the same conclusion: This dude's running style will have him hurt all year if he is a starting back. In order for him to stay in one piece, he needs to have just a handful of carries a game. Pgh needs to just know it as fact and plan on JD as the starting back. If they can't see this obvious trend, they are dumber than I thought. I have seen this all along and I don't get paid to do this for a living.

I remember the play in which Red got hurt. He was running right, and was caught from behind. Bills defenders landed on his ankle.

We should be thankful its not a broken ankle!!

JD

GGPa
08-30-2012, 10:06 AM
Everyone in the NFL is leaning toward player safety.
That is a good thing for career longevity.
The more intense the player plays the more likely he is to get injured.
The less intense he plays the more likely he gets cut.
Everyone remember Chris Fuamalamala? (Spelling)
He was oft injured.
He was super intense.

Now I like Redman.
He runs with abandon.
He didn't like the nickname Redzone Redman.
I thought it fit him like a glove.

If we see more Redzone Redman in the redzone then we will see more scoring.
That's my opinion & I'm sticking to it.

RuthlessBurgher
08-30-2012, 10:11 AM
Why is the "his playing style is likely to get him injured" argument used against Redman, and not against, say Ben Roethlisberger or Troy Polamalu? Both of those guys have playing styles that tend to lead to injuries as well.

flippy
08-30-2012, 10:19 AM
Why is the "his playing style is likely to get him injured" argument used against Redman, and not against, say Ben Roethlisberger or Troy Polamalu? Both of those guys have playing styles that tend to lead to injuries as well.

Beats Gilby's playing style of playing to get your teammates injured. First it was DJ. Second it was DD. If the trend continues, the next person will be JD. Anyone with those initials on the roster? That's the guy that we should be worried about.

aggiebones
08-30-2012, 10:23 AM
People expect Redman to do well because he has done exceptionally in short yardage, blocks very well, rarely loses yardage, catches well, has made huge plays that won real games for us and in his only start, he had a great game against a solid defense.
Oh, is that all.

Dwyer, occasionally has looked like he can keep his roster spot against mostly backups in meaningless preseason games. In fairness to him, this year, he has earned the right to test himself in real games. But that is it. If in real games, he does well enough, then maybe a future shot.

But at this point, Redman has EARNED first his shot with great play in live action. As has Mendy. We'll see what Dwyer does in his chances during the reg. season. But the one thing that screams backup about him is how he performs in extended play. He always does well in periodic play and on his first play. But typically starts dancing, curling in a fetal position or begs to come out after a few plays in a row. Boy has no endurance at the NFL level yet.

GGPa
08-30-2012, 10:25 AM
Why is the "his playing style is likely to get him injured" argument used against Redman, and not against, say Ben Roethlisberger or Troy Polamalu? Both of those guys have playing styles that tend to lead to injuries as well.
We don't want to see any of these three injured.
However we will with their most effective playing style.
Does anyone want to see any less from them then their best?
Yea I didn't really think so.
It isn't a contact sport it's a collision sport.
Who was it that said that?
Mike Tomlin makes it very clear.
" Injuries are part of football"

Oviedo
08-30-2012, 11:01 AM
Why is the "his playing style is likely to get him injured" argument used against Redman, and not against, say Ben Roethlisberger or Troy Polamalu? Both of those guys have playing styles that tend to lead to injuries as well.

I think it has extensively been discussed with regards to Ben holding the ball waiting for something to develop instead of taking the easy dump off. Not as much, but there has also been discussions of Troy's style of play and how that makes him prone to injury especially concussions when he goes low on players to take out their legs.

Redman is not being unfairly criticized. Some runners have an innate ability to never get a clean hit on them others just take the abuse. IMO Redman is the latter.

It will be what it will be as the season plays out. Some just think with the contact he absorbs he will get hurt. That may end up being the case it may not. However, having nagging injuries throughout camp is not a good sign.

feltdizz
08-30-2012, 11:46 AM
Why is the "his playing style is likely to get him injured" argument used against Redman, and not against, say Ben Roethlisberger or Troy Polamalu? Both of those guys have playing styles that tend to lead to injuries as well.

God forbid a RB actually run hard and take a few hits. I expect Redman to get dinged up... Dwyer as well... along with any other RB on our roster who gets more than 10 touches a game.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 11:58 AM
Why is the "his playing style is likely to get him injured" argument used against Redman, and not against, say Ben Roethlisberger or Troy Polamalu? Both of those guys have playing styles that tend to lead to injuries as well.

Well, no one said it can't apply to BB and TP as it most certainly can. But when you are talking a running back with a style that leads to injuries, it's magnified because of the nature of the position; you leave yourself up to get hit directly by NFL LBs, you gonna get smashed unless you are huge. Redman isn't that big.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 12:03 PM
God forbid a RB actually run hard and take a few hits. I expect Redman to get dinged up... Dwyer as well... along with any other RB on our roster who gets more than 10 touches a game.

There is "dinged up" and then there is "always missing time." Huge difference. Every NFL player who plays, saves kickers, is "dinged up" every single week. Most have trouble getting out of bed on Monday's. My prediction is that IR (ouch, look at his initials add up to, yikes) will miss time and games. He stays on his feet and fights for that extra inch, but takes a pounding while he does it. Even in the preseason, he took more punishment than his body will allow for.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 12:04 PM
I think it has extensively been discussed with regards to Ben holding the ball waiting for something to develop instead of taking the easy dump off. Not as much, but there has also been discussions of Troy's style of play and how that makes him prone to injury especially concussions when he goes low on players to take out their legs.

Redman is not being unfairly criticized. Some runners have an innate ability to never get a clean hit on them others just take the abuse. IMO Redman is the latter.

It will be what it will be as the season plays out. Some just think with the contact he absorbs he will get hurt. That may end up being the case it may not. However, having nagging injuries throughout camp is not a good sign.

The voice of reason. Cool.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 12:08 PM
People expect Redman to do well because he has done exceptionally in short yardage, blocks very well, rarely loses yardage, catches well, has made huge plays that won real games for us and in his only start, he had a great game against a solid defense.
Oh, is that all.

Dwyer, occasionally has looked like he can keep his roster spot against mostly backups in meaningless preseason games. In fairness to him, this year, he has earned the right to test himself in real games. But that is it. If in real games, he does well enough, then maybe a future shot.

But at this point, Redman has EARNED first his shot with great play in live action. As has Mendy. We'll see what Dwyer does in his chances during the reg. season. But the one thing that screams backup about him is how he performs in extended play. He always does well in periodic play and on his first play. But typically starts dancing, curling in a fetal position or begs to come out after a few plays in a row. Boy has no endurance at the NFL level yet.

Sure, IR (those initials will prove to be fitting and develop into his nickname) earned the right to playing time; no one ever said he didn't; it's just that some have predicted he won't last long as the starter, as his style invited many, many injuries and his moniker of IR will prove foretelling. That is all. And once IR is out, JD will prove to be the best back on the roster.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 12:10 PM
Haaaa, I remembered it..
Insanesteelersfan.....
Is that you incognito lloydroid?
Cmon be honest bro it's all for fun..:p

Swing and a miss. I don't think I have ever posted on here before. I did post in that other place that HawiianSteel posted though. I haven't been posting on any PS boards for a long time.

feltdizz
08-30-2012, 12:13 PM
There is "dinged up" and then there is "always missing time." Huge difference. Every NFL player who plays, saves kickers, is "dinged up" every single week. Most have trouble getting out of bed on Monday's. My prediction is that IR (ouch, look at his initials add up to, yikes) will miss time and games. He stays on his feet and fights for that extra inch, but takes a pounding while he does it. Even in the preseason, he took more punishment than his body will allow for.

Who is always missing time? Are you really going to point at preseason as proof Redman will miss a bunch of games down the road?

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 12:17 PM
I've been saying this since Redman was annoited as having everything Mendenhall doesn't and therefore the new fan flavor of the week. The pfysical straight ahead running absorbing contact that fans like to see is what will keep him off the field for several games this season. We need Mendy to get well sooner rather than later. I have always had high hopes for Dwyer but Mendy is the surer bet if healthy.

Problem is, RM was a pussy before he got his knee blown out. And a torn ACL takes AT LEAST a year to heal. So, what can we expect from RM, with a knee not 100% AND with him being soft BEFORE he tore it, so how soft will he be coming back in a situation where NON SOFT players lack confidence coming back? I have zero hope in getting a RM back and productive this year. RM is soft, end of story. He has been a disappointment in his NFL career.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 12:18 PM
great idea! You guys should totally bet e-dollars on it!

No, I want to bet real $. He shouldn't go soft now. Put your $ where your mouth is. If you are going to assert something, have the stones to back it up.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 12:25 PM
This thread is ridiculous. If you break it down to injuries per career carry, Dwyer is more injury prone than Redman. And I know of no statistic that bears out the claim that "physical, straight ahead running absorbing contact" is either more likely to "keep a player off the field for several games" or that it's "what fans like to see." Speaking for myself, I love to see backs bounce off to the outside and display great open field running ability just as much as I like to see a good inside running game. It's EFFECTIVE running that I want to see. If you polled fans, I'd be surprised if the majority felt any different about it.

In today's NFL, it's good to have a stable of backs with varying running styles. I don't think any of these backs are going to be used exclusively; Haley will use a platoon system. But there are times when you need the surer bet on short yardage, and up until now, Redman has looked like the best back in those situations. Maybe Dwyer will prove to be just as good in short yardage. Based on his body of work, Mendenhall hasn't looked like that guy to me.

I don't care if it's Redman #1 and Dwyer #2, or Dwyer #1 and Redman #2, or Mendy #1 and Redman #2, or Redman #1 and Mendy #2, or some other combination of Mendy, Redman and Dwyer, as long as the running game is EFFECTIVE. I'm tired of watching RBs dancing in the backfield and getting knocked for a loss on a large percentage of our running plays. I'm tired of seeing them, way too often, gain one yard when we need two.

Dwyer has looked impressive in limited preseason action. If he continues to play that way, I think Mendy will likely be playing for a different team next season.

It's not that simple. You need to have the vision to see that IR's combination of rushing style and body is going to get him hurt. Other backs are bruisers but just have the knack of avoiding the kind of contact, more so than IR, that makes you miss games. Bettis took some shots, but he was huge. (265?) IR has a strong lower body, but he is not a huge guy at all. Look at Stephen Jackson. He is a horse, plays physical but he can dish it out and take it. IR can't, not for long. He will fight for that extra yardage and take the kind of shots that will put him out of games. We will soon see who is right about this subject and who will be proven wrong.

flippy
08-30-2012, 01:01 PM
I'm more concerned about Redman's fumbling than his nagging injuries.

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 01:14 PM
Who is always missing time? Are you really going to point at preseason as proof Redman will miss a bunch of games down the road?

No, I am PREDICTING he is going to miss games, based on my eye test and knowing a thing or two.

pfelix73
08-30-2012, 01:29 PM
Problem is, RM was a pussy before he got his knee blown out. And a torn ACL takes AT LEAST a year to heal. So, what can we expect from RM, with a knee not 100% AND with him being soft BEFORE he tore it, so how soft will he be coming back in a situation where NON SOFT players lack confidence coming back? I have zero hope in getting a RM back and productive this year. RM is soft, end of story. He has been a disappointment in his NFL career.

Spoken by someone who probably has never played a down of organized football in his/her life...

Calling an NFL player a pu$$y. Awesome.

feltdizz
08-30-2012, 02:14 PM
based on my eye test and knowing a thing or two.

hahahahahahahahahaaaaaa! you funny guy.

Slapstick
08-30-2012, 06:59 PM
Bradshaw's Hairdresser hit it on the head...

So far, Dwyer has had far fewer carries yet a more significant injury history...

lloydroid
08-30-2012, 10:01 PM
Spoken by someone who probably has never played a down of organized football in his/her life...

Calling an NFL player a pu$$y. Awesome.

Very nice.

BradshawsHairdresser
08-31-2012, 12:08 AM
BTW, for a back that doesn't have the "physical straight ahead running absorbing contact" style, Mendenhall has certainly spent a lot of his career sidelined with injuries... :cool: