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SteelCrazy
08-26-2012, 10:09 PM
1st, Adams our 2nd rounder, plays like a freshman in college and now our 1st rounder, who was not pushing many people around either, is out for most, if not all of his rookie season. I think we may be better off with the group we have now on the OL because Foster has been playing better than DeCastro anyway. We just wont be pulling the guard all that much now. Was anyone here sold on DeCastro from what you saw so far? I know he'll progress and get better, but just how much better?

One more thing. I've been reading we'll be passing quickly and often to mask our poor OL. That sounds great, but if a writer can now predict what we do, I think we need to take a different course of action. Let Ben do what he do. Run for his life and throw TD's.

Slapstick
08-26-2012, 10:39 PM
1st, Adams our 2nd rounder, plays like a freshman in college and now our 1st rounder, who was not pushing many people around either, is out for most, if not all of his rookie season. I think we may be better off with the group we have now on the OL because Foster has been playing better than DeCastro anyway. We just wont be pulling the guard all that much now. Was anyone here sold on DeCastro from what you saw so far? I know he'll progress and get better, but just how much better?

One more thing. I've been reading we'll be passing quickly and often to mask our poor OL. That sounds great, but if a writer can now predict what we do, I think we need to take a different course of action. Let Ben do what he do. Run for his life and throw TD's.

They weren't for nothing...they were an investment in the future of the team...

If you are expecting both your 1st and 2nd round picks to make a huge impact in their rookie season, your team sucked the previous year...

SteelCrazy
08-26-2012, 10:43 PM
They weren't for nothing...they were an investment in the future of the team...

If you are expecting both your 1st and 2nd round picks to make a huge impact in their rookie season, your team sucked the previous year...

My expectations were not very high and the Steelers did not suck last year, but the OL did, hence the draft we had. I guess I'm more disappointed then anything about DeCastro and Adams and this post is some what of a vent.

blitz71burgh71
08-26-2012, 10:44 PM
1st, Adams our 2nd rounder, plays like a freshman in college and now our 1st rounder, who was not pushing many people around either, is out for most, if not all of his rookie season. I think we may be better off with the group we have now on the OL because Foster has been playing better than DeCastro anyway. We just wont be pulling the guard all that much now. Was anyone here sold on DeCastro from what you saw so far? I know he'll progress and get better, but just how much better?

One more thing. I've been reading we'll be passing quickly and often to mask our poor OL. That sounds great, but if a writer can now predict what we do, I think we need to take a different course of action. Let Ben do what he do. Run for his life and throw TD's.


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BradshawsHairdresser
08-26-2012, 11:58 PM
My expectations were not very high and the Steelers did not suck last year, but the OL did
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Shoe
08-27-2012, 12:20 AM
1st, Adams our 2nd rounder, plays like a freshman in college and now our 1st rounder, who was not pushing many people around either, is out for most, if not all of his rookie season. I think we may be better off with the group we have now on the OL because Foster has been playing better than DeCastro anyway. We just wont be pulling the guard all that much now. Was anyone here sold on DeCastro from what you saw so far? I know he'll progress and get better, but just how much better?

One more thing. I've been reading we'll be passing quickly and often to mask our poor OL. That sounds great, but if a writer can now predict what we do, I think we need to take a different course of action. Let Ben do what he do. Run for his life and throw TD's.

I'm not trying to attack YOUR post here, but I read some blogger or somebody who was making the same comment about DeCastro (i.e. that he was underwhelming). I gotta say, that is utterly silly. To expect everyone to make a seamless transition to the NFL is silly. Now... I've said the same thing about Adams, so you might be asking: What about him? My answer is that I thought he was a scrub all along, so it's par for the course as far as I'm concerned.

With DeCastro... jeez, give him more than two preseason games to adjust!

pittpete
08-27-2012, 12:50 AM
Man, do you people smoke crack?
I know some are angry but this is plain stupid talk.
I've tried to hold my tongue but someone needs to set these moronic threadstarters straight.

I guess I'm just venting:confused:

steelblood
08-27-2012, 06:33 AM
1st, Adams our 2nd rounder, plays like a freshman in college and now our 1st rounder, who was not pushing many people around either, is out for most, if not all of his rookie season. I think we may be better off with the group we have now on the OL because Foster has been playing better than DeCastro anyway. We just wont be pulling the guard all that much now. Was anyone here sold on DeCastro from what you saw so far? I know he'll progress and get better, but just how much better?

One more thing. I've been reading we'll be passing quickly and often to mask our poor OL. That sounds great, but if a writer can now predict what we do, I think we need to take a different course of action. Let Ben do what he do. Run for his life and throw TD's.

You ARE crazy. DeCastro was beginning to play well. In the second preseason game, I thought he did a nice job sealing run lanes and getting downfield. He was an excellent pick and should pay dividends in future seasons (IF he can stay healthy). You can be angry if you want about Adams. He is a boom or bust type pick. He was not shown the ability to play pro LT to this point. However, it is silly to throw him on the scrap heap at this point though.

phillyesq
08-27-2012, 10:43 AM
I thought that DeCastro was playing well. He wasn't playing at the level of Faneca or Hutchinson, but it was just 2 preseason games into his career. Faneca wasn't Faneca his first game, either. I think DD was playing well and I'm still pretty sure that he'll be the Steelers starting RG for the next decade, and I'd be surprised if there were not at least a few pro bowl appearances sprinkled in there.

As for Adams, I haven't seen the third preseason game yet, but I heard that he played better. As mentioned above, he is an investment in the future. Even for this season, I think he can easily be an upgrade over Jon Scott, the guy he replaced on the roster.

With the exception of Ben, Pouncey and Gilbert, almost everybody on the current roster did not seriously contribute until their second or third season -- Brown, Mendenhall (injury), Ike, Troy, Timmons, Woodley, etc., etc. I'm fine with waiting on Adams and DD.

Sugar
08-27-2012, 11:23 AM
I guess I didn't have the expectation that these guys would be day 1 starters anyway. The idea that DD or Adams would start or have superior seasons was merely gravy to me. The term "investment in the future" is a good one.

flippy
08-27-2012, 11:32 AM
I guess I didn't have the expectation that these guys would be day 1 starters anyway. The idea that DD or Adams would start or have superior seasons was merely gravy to me. The term "investment in the future" is a good one.

Many expected them to start.

DD was the most pro ready lineman to come into the league in forever. His injury is unfortunate.

We didn't have another option at LT a while back and that's what forced expectations onto Adams. Now if he looked like he had any chance at being ready to start, someone would have drafted him early in round 1. He's a LT. Off field problems be darned, he woulda been picked early if someone thought he was legit ready.

hawaiiansteel
08-27-2012, 02:10 PM
Peter King>MONDAY MORNING QB

Monday August 27, 2012

The Steelers get a bad, bad injury. One of the best guards to come out of college football in years, David DeCastro was playing like a five-year vet for Pittsburgh in the preseason. Now he's out, likely for the year, with a torn MCL and dislocated kneecap suffered Saturday night in Buffalo. The Steelers drafted DeCastro first and tackle Mike Adams (who has been poor in preseason tests) second in April, and now they may get zilch out of both this season. Left to right, the Steeler front looks like Max Starks, Willie Colon, Maurkice Pouncey, Ramon Foster and Marcus Gilbert ... not exactly the retooled lined they had in mind in the spring.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/08/26/mmqb/index.html

lloydroid
08-27-2012, 02:50 PM
They weren't for nothing...they were an investment in the future of the team...

If you are expecting both your 1st and 2nd round picks to make a huge impact in their rookie season, your team sucked the previous year...

Exactly. Way too "sky is falling." How often do our first 2 picks make big contributions year one? Almost NEVER. And Foster is playing well, and, to be honest, might be the better player this year, before DeCastro got hurt. Adams will come back strong in 2013. He just needs some experience. He isn't losing physically, he is just not seasoned and needs to learn tricks of the trade on this level, as you need more than just physicality at this level. You can't win on brute force alone; won't happen at this level.

lloydroid
08-27-2012, 02:51 PM
Peter King>MONDAY MORNING QB

Monday August 27, 2012

The Steelers get a bad, bad injury. One of the best guards to come out of college football in years, David DeCastro was playing like a five-year vet for Pittsburgh in the preseason. Now he's out, likely for the year, with a torn MCL and dislocated kneecap suffered Saturday night in Buffalo. The Steelers drafted DeCastro first and tackle Mike Adams (who has been poor in preseason tests) second in April, and now they may get zilch out of both this season. Left to right, the Steeler front looks like Max Starks, Willie Colon, Maurkice Pouncey, Ramon Foster and Marcus Gilbert ... not exactly the retooled lined they had in mind in the spring.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/08/26/mmqb/index.html

What are they talking about? I hate stupid people. That OL they listed is quite fine, as long as they don't lose more people to injury.

Edit: I was referring to the writer being stupid, not you, Hawaii. :D

flippy
08-27-2012, 03:02 PM
What are they talking about? I hate stupid people. That OL they listed is quite fine, as long as they don't lose more people to injury.

Edit: I was referring to the writer being stupid, not you, Hawaii. :D

It's all good. Only Ovi and one other poster think Hawaii writes these articles :)

hawaiiansteel
08-27-2012, 03:21 PM
It's all good. Only Ovi and one other poster think Hawaii writes these articles :)


I only write all of the good articles.

any articles that are factually incorrect or have spelling/grammar mistakes are written by someone else. :D

SteelCrazy
08-27-2012, 05:01 PM
Man, do you people smoke crack?
I know some are angry but this is plain stupid talk.
I've tried to hold my tongue but someone needs to set these moronic threadstarters straight.

I guess I'm just venting:confused:

If I weren't a gentleman, I might say something that I'd regret thinking....

SteelCrazy
08-27-2012, 05:11 PM
Peter King states DeCastro was playing like a 5 year vet and I'm the moron. Come on peeps, can't a man vent? Yes, only 2 pre-season games to evaluate from and that's all I did. I evaluated a rookie that played 2 pre-season games and looked just above average at best. I wish him a speed recovery and a very long, successful career as a Steeler.

fezziwig
08-27-2012, 05:18 PM
Two preseason games does not fortell the future of a player.

SteelCrazy
08-27-2012, 05:34 PM
..........lol

flippy
08-27-2012, 06:15 PM
Two preseason games does not fortell the future of a player.

I had DD in the HOF. Now...not so sure :)

fezziwig
08-27-2012, 06:56 PM
maybe he can borrow chad johmsons future hof jacket ?

NJ-STEELER
08-28-2012, 12:31 AM
we should have drafted more defense

those guys play right away!!!

lol

phillyesq
08-28-2012, 10:48 AM
I had DD in the HOF. Now...not so sure :)

Bustcastro??? He didn't even win the starting job after his first practice in the offseason. He's certainly not HOF material. :wink:

ikestops85
08-28-2012, 01:31 PM
I had DD in the HOF. Now...not so sure :)

Do you want me to stop working on his bust and go back to the one I was working on ...

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/18200372/2/stock-photo-18200372-bosom.jpg

flippy
08-28-2012, 01:44 PM
Bustcastro??? He didn't even win the starting job after his first practice in the offseason. He's certainly not HOF material. :wink:

I had him as a Bust after his first play in practice. But 2 games changed my mind. Now I'm totally confused ;)

Pops8
08-28-2012, 02:21 PM
he was a bust before we drafted him...I know because 23 other teams passed on him. :D

hawaiiansteel
08-28-2012, 02:25 PM
he was a bust before we drafted him...I know because 23 other teams passed on him. :D

yup, exactly like that Aaron Rodgers fellow up in Green Bay...;)

Pops8
08-28-2012, 02:39 PM
yup, exactly like that Aaron Rodgers fellow up in Green Bay...;)

Exactly.
That reminds me, I have to go harass an old friend who is a huge GB fan.

aggiebones
08-28-2012, 03:03 PM
Not alot of second round tackles start year 1 for contending teams. If he eventually starts, then we win. He's likely never going to be a super stud tackle. He was NEVER rated that high. But he can become a Marvel Smith type.

Pops8
08-28-2012, 03:13 PM
Not alot of second round tackles start year 1 for contending teams. If he eventually starts, then we win. He's likely never going to be a super stud tackle. He was NEVER rated that high. But he can become a Marvel Smith type.

Before the draft, lots of folks rated him with a first round grade - from what I read several teams had a first round grade on the guy. He dropped for off field issues.

lloydroid
08-28-2012, 03:25 PM
we should have drafted more defense

those guys play right away!!!

lol

OK, you were joking. I was gonna say, almost no d rookies play in Pgh.

phillyesq
08-28-2012, 03:38 PM
Not alot of second round tackles start year 1 for contending teams. If he eventually starts, then we win. He's likely never going to be a super stud tackle. He was NEVER rated that high. But he can become a Marvel Smith type.

A Marvel Smith type tackle would be great. He was an above-average left tackle for the better part of a decade. I'll gladly take that. I don't think that anybody sees Adams as a Jack Long/Joe Thomas/William Roaf type elite LT, but he can be a well-above average LT with perhaps a pro bowl or two sprinkled in.

hawaiiansteel
08-28-2012, 03:45 PM
Not alot of second round tackles start year 1 for contending teams. If he eventually starts, then we win. He's likely never going to be a super stud tackle. He was NEVER rated that high. But he can become a Marvel Smith type.

well, Mike Adams and Marvel Smith do both like to get high...

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