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lloydroid
08-04-2012, 03:54 PM
The Steelers are not being mentioned by the media as legit contenders, and I am personally happy about it. If you notice, Pgh does well the seasons they are not mentioned much, and usually do poorly when they are getting attention in the media.

I am not saying it's impossible for the Steelers to win a ring when they are mentioned a lot, but it doesn't seem to help. Most sources are saying that since Pgh lost Mendenhall, have Wallace holding out and are getting old on D, that they are probably going to be 3rd in their own div. I say "poppycock." It is Balt. who lose some key players, Cinci is hardly without holes, and, in my opinion, Pgh is better off without Mendenhall; he just never fully developed and lived up to his physical skills. He still dances around, spins and stutter steps too much and never brakes that last tackle to make a decent play a huge play.

Mark my words, Dwyer is going to end up being the next pro bowl level RB for Pgh. He will prove to be better than RM, as long as he gets enough touches, and I believe he will. And as for Wallace, he will end up showing up, one way or another; it would simply cost him far too many millions to not play this year hoping to score a big contract next year. It will never happen. He will play this year no matter what.

Also, add in the Ben is more mature, being married with a baby, plus, at age 30, most hall of famer QBs had their best years at 30 or older, FACT.

Now, toss in an insanely fast Rainey and a much better OC in Haley over Arians, and this season has all the makings for a good one, with a ring being possible.

Oh, and did I mention an OL that isn't in the bottom of the NFL anymore? That OL is going to be infinitely superior to anything we've had since 2005, the last year our OL was above average.

The media hasn't noticed, and I am all too happy about it, but the Steelers are on the verge to compete for another ring this season. They had the best draft I can remember. All first 5 picks were totally money. :Bow

skyhawk
08-04-2012, 04:20 PM
One reason they are under the radar is that many hack sportwriters still think the Steelers are a run team, and with Mendy out for a long while, they write off the Steelers. They also don't realize other guys that we lost like Ward and Smith didn't really contribute in the last two years anyway. Arm chair sportwriters do this. Us Steeler fans know better. Even someone like John Clayton hasn't written them off, cuz he's not a hack like most others.

OTOH, Wallace is also missing. So maybe they may be right :(

lloydroid
08-04-2012, 04:29 PM
One reason they are under the radar is that many hack sportwriters still think the Steelers are a run team, and with Mendy out for a long while, they write off the Steelers. They also don't realize other guys that we lost like Ward and Smith didn't really contribute in the last two years anyway. Arm chair sportwriters do this. Us Steeler fans know better. Even someone like John Clayton hasn't written them off, cuz he's not a hack like most others.

OTOH, Wallace is also missing. So maybe they may be right :(

Even without Wallace, this team contends (unless it misses other key players).

We now have a real OC (Arians was the worst), a real OL, a focused, mature Ben and the combination of Brown, Sanders, Cochery, Redman, Dwyer, Rainey, Miller and Pope will still be enough to put enough points on the board.

RuthlessBurgher
08-04-2012, 04:29 PM
My favorite excuses for why the Steelers supposedly will fade...the same guy who says that we are old also mentions a leadership void after getting rid of James Farrior, Hines Ward, and Aaron Smith.

DukieBoy
08-04-2012, 04:54 PM
Predict that the Steelers will not be under the radar in December and January.

skyhawk
08-04-2012, 04:55 PM
Even without Wallace, this team contends (unless it misses other key players).

We now have a real OC (Arians was the worst), a real OL, a focused, mature Ben and the combination of Brown, Sanders, Cochery, Redman, Dwyer, Rainey, Miller and Pope will still be enough to put enough points on the board.

We shall see. I still say they will have trouble in the red zone and putting up points. You mention those players, but they are mostly (except for Brown and Miller) unproven. Hopefully we can see an improvement. We will see how Ben can play under a new guy and think outside of his comfort zone.

I want to see Heath have his best year ever. He will not be needed as much to stay in and block and can work downfield. Ben is going to love that.

lloydroid
08-04-2012, 09:57 PM
We shall see. I still say they will have trouble in the red zone and putting up points. You mention those players, but they are mostly (except for Brown and Miller) unproven. Hopefully we can see an improvement. We will see how Ben can play under a new guy and think outside of his comfort zone.

I want to see Heath have his best year ever. He will not be needed as much to stay in and block and can work downfield. Ben is going to love that.

Cochery and Pope are not unproven, in a complete sense. I am predicting Dwyer will have a break out year.

flippy
08-04-2012, 10:20 PM
In fairness, we do have a lot of question marks.

We're starting the season without Casey, Hoke, and Smitty. We've been without Smitty. But Casey and Hoke are some big shoes to fill. Not sure anyone outside of Pittsburgh faithful know that McClendon is ready to be the next beast on the DLine. At the end of the day, our D has been as good as our 3 linemen, even though they aren't the stars on this defense.

Then you've got questions about Harrison's health. And whatever you want to say about leadership void mattering or not, Farrior was the man on this team even though his on field performance has been sliding. Timmons is an athletic freak. But moving him around. Misusing his talents, he's hot and cold.

In the front 7, the only guys everyone is absolutely confident in are Keisel and Woodley. And probably the 3rd safest player is Larry Foote. Underrated by everyone, but he'll be a steady eddy and make the plays we need him to make.

Then we've got uncertainty at DB. 2 safeties that can't cover. Our #1 CB can't catch. And a question mark at the other corner. Loads of questions on D. And Troy's 30 now and his whole game is predicated on speed. Can he continue to be the superstar that covers up for everyone on D still?

Then on O, we've got no proven WR on the roster. Ward was ineffective last year, but both he and Wallace are gone. Cotchery is probably a #3 WR at best and he's the only proven commodity we've got. Who knows if Brown can't get off the LOS against a top CB. Or if Sanders can stay healthy.

Can Redman avoid fumbling the ball? Can he carry the load for an extended period? If not, we have no other proven commodities.

Our Oline could still be a mess at this point. Is Pouncey's ankles good enough to hold up? Are DD and MA ready to transition to the NFL? Can we live without big Max? Couldn't in the past. And do you really trust Colon to stay healthy after 2 years of missing seasons? And does he handle the switch? About the only lineman I trust 100% is Gilbert.

Can we use Heath in the passing game? or does he have to help the line?

There's a load of fair question marks. And at the end of the day, we might only have 1 or 2 SuperStars left on the roster. Definitely 1 in Ben. But the 2nd is questionable. It used to be Troy and Harrison as the clear other SuperStars on the roster. But has their age caught up with them? The other superstar might be Woodley. Are the young guys ready to step up?

I still think we can do this and win #7 this year.

But it's gonna take a lot from a lot of unproven guys:

Timmons
Allen
Hood
McClendon
Heyward
Pouncey
DD
Colon
Adams
Brown
Sanders
Redman
Rainey
Batch

A little health from Troy and Harrison.

And the reliable play we expect from Keisel, Ike, Foote, Heath, Ben, Woodley.

And at the end of the day, we just might need Max and Casey back and contributing.

Lots of question marks. I think we have the talent to make it work. Just lots of unknowns at this point and a big transition underway.

steelnavy
08-04-2012, 10:23 PM
We shall see. I still say they will have trouble in the red zone and putting up points. You mention those players, but they are mostly (except for Brown and Miller) unproven. Hopefully we can see an improvement. We will see how Ben can play under a new guy and think outside of his comfort zone.

I want to see Heath have his best year ever. He will not be needed as much to stay in and block and can work downfield. Ben is going to love that.

You can take the exact same players from last year and by just changing the coach, everything changes. This is a TEAM sport. Haley has proven himself to be a more effective coach than BA. The team will score more in the red zone, regardless.

hawaiiansteel
08-04-2012, 10:31 PM
Haley has proven himself to be a more effective coach than BA. The team will score more in the red zone, regardless.

too bad Crash isn't still here, he would have had an aneurysm reading that statement.

don't you know that Haley is nothing but a golf coach who never would have gotten the Steelers' OC job if it wasn't for his Daddy? :D

ikestops85
08-04-2012, 11:07 PM
too bad Crash isn't still here, he would have had an aneurysm reading that statement.

don't you know that Haley is nothing but a golf coach who never would have gotten the Steelers' OC job if it wasn't for his Daddy? :D

While I don't want to go that far I don't think Haley has proven anything yet. Let's wait to the season starts and see if the offense starts scoring TDs instead of constantly having to settle for FGs before we give Haley kudos. Don't get me wrong ... I hope that happens. I'm just not as sure as some of you are that it will.

NorthCoast
08-05-2012, 10:12 AM
In fairness, we do have a lot of question marks.

We're starting the season without Casey, Hoke, and Smitty. We've been without Smitty. But Casey and Hoke are some big shoes to fill. Not sure anyone outside of Pittsburgh faithful know that McClendon is ready to be the next beast on the DLine. At the end of the day, our D has been as good as our 3 linemen, even though they aren't the stars on this defense.

Then you've got questions about Harrison's health. And whatever you want to say about leadership void mattering or not, Farrior was the man on this team even though his on field performance has been sliding. Timmons is an athletic freak. But moving him around. Misusing his talents, he's hot and cold.

In the front 7, the only guys everyone is absolutely confident in are Keisel and Woodley. And probably the 3rd safest player is Larry Foote. Underrated by everyone, but he'll be a steady eddy and make the plays we need him to make.

Then we've got uncertainty at DB. 2 safeties that can't cover. Our #1 CB can't catch. And a question mark at the other corner. Loads of questions on D. And Troy's 30 now and his whole game is predicated on speed. Can he continue to be the superstar that covers up for everyone on D still?

Then on O, we've got no proven WR on the roster. Ward was ineffective last year, but both he and Wallace are gone. Cotchery is probably a #3 WR at best and he's the only proven commodity we've got. Who knows if Brown can't get off the LOS against a top CB. Or if Sanders can stay healthy.

Can Redman avoid fumbling the ball? Can he carry the load for an extended period? If not, we have no other proven commodities.

Our Oline could still be a mess at this point. Is Pouncey's ankles good enough to hold up? Are DD and MA ready to transition to the NFL? Can we live without big Max? Couldn't in the past. And do you really trust Colon to stay healthy after 2 years of missing seasons? And does he handle the switch? About the only lineman I trust 100% is Gilbert.

Can we use Heath in the passing game? or does he have to help the line?

There's a load of fair question marks. And at the end of the day, we might only have 1 or 2 SuperStars left on the roster. Definitely 1 in Ben. But the 2nd is questionable. It used to be Troy and Harrison as the clear other SuperStars on the roster. But has their age caught up with them? The other superstar might be Woodley. Are the young guys ready to step up?

I still think we can do this and win #7 this year.

But it's gonna take a lot from a lot of unproven guys:

Timmons
Allen
Hood
McClendon
Heyward
Pouncey
DD
Colon
Adams
Brown
Sanders
Redman
Rainey
Batch

A little health from Troy and Harrison.

And the reliable play we expect from Keisel, Ike, Foote, Heath, Ben, Woodley.

And at the end of the day, we just might need Max and Casey back and contributing.

Lots of question marks. I think we have the talent to make it work. Just lots of unknowns at this point and a big transition underway.

flippy, I agree we have a lot of unknowns. But I just read the NFL wrap-up online and I would have to say just about every team has issues right now. Cleveland lost their nose tackle til mid-season, Cinci's defense is still suspect (although I did read that Dalton has looked exceptional in practice and I would say the Bengals could very well be more of a challenge than Baltimore this season.)
Bottomline, injuries will determine the outcome of the season. Last year we limped into the playoffs and it really showed. In fact, I don't think the Steelers ever really reached a peak on offense (the fact that they didn't get better as the season progressed is likely a reason why Arians is gone). Teams are gonna have to rely on unprovens throughout the season, the Steelers are just having to do that a little earlier than others.

flippy
08-05-2012, 10:28 AM
flippy, I agree we have a lot of unknowns. But I just read the NFL wrap-up online and I would have to say just about every team has issues right now. Cleveland lost their nose tackle til mid-season, Cinci's defense is still suspect (although I did read that Dalton has looked exceptional in practice and I would say the Bengals could very well be more of a challenge than Baltimore this season.)
Bottomline, injuries will determine the outcome of the season. Last year we limped into the playoffs and it really showed. In fact, I don't think the Steelers ever really reached a peak on offense (the fact that they didn't get better as the season progressed is likely a reason why Arians is gone). Teams are gonna have to rely on unprovens throughout the season, the Steelers are just having to do that a little earlier than others.

I think we'll be fine. But was just mentioning this to point out I can understand the skepticism by the national media. As far as they're concerned we no longer have Wallace, Ward, Farrior, Smitty, Hampton, Mendy, and Max. Troy and Harrison may be slowed down due to age and wear.

And the only known producers we have are Ben and Woodley (who is teetering on becoming a superstar).

Again, I love a lot of the young guys and think we'll be fine. I think in the grand scheme, we're probably rated around where we should be at this point.

flippy
08-05-2012, 10:30 AM
And I should have also mentioned our Dramaqueen QB is doing a pretty good job of helping to set low expectations as he lets everyone know about his boo boos and reminds everyone that Haley's the only man to ever get Kurt Warner to curse.

lloydroid
08-05-2012, 01:55 PM
And I should have also mentioned our Dramaqueen QB is doing a pretty good job of helping to set low expectations as he lets everyone know about his boo boos and reminds everyone that Haley's the only man to ever get Kurt Warner to curse.

Flippy, yea, drama queen had to make sure we all know he's hurt already. But, that is Ben. He will never change. He will, once again, look like a torn and tattered QB who has to overcome a myriad of injuries to save the day. I just hope it's more drama than true. And I agree with your question marks about the team, but am optimistic they will overcome most of them. They had tons of injuries and issues last year and still won 12 games and had the #1 defense in the league, which, I agree with Woodley, it sure didn't appear to play like the #1 D, but it still was, nonetheless. But I don't agree with all your players you list as "unproven." Timmons is not unproven. He played out of position last year; when he plays in the middle he is no where near a question mark. And trust me, Spense will quickly go from unproven to great. He has the speed, quickness, motor and instincts to excel. He is a natural football player, regardless if he is short, which is the only reason he lasted as long as he did in the draft. The OL is going to be better, but maybe not at first. Our back ups were our starters last year. They will be fine, as long as we have half a break with health - Pouncy has to stay in one piece. Don't know why he can't. Ankle injuries heal. I'd say the biggest concerns, with the best chance to hurt us are:

- Troy's health and speed. Is this the year he slows down? Could be, hope not.

- Harrison's health. He is such a beast. And once back's go, they tend to stay bad. We desperately need one of the young LBs to emerge. But regardless if one is legit (Worilds, Sly, Carter) I don't think anyone can really replace 92. Even though he was awarded with DPOTY, I think he is _still_ underrated. When he is off the field, or only partly there due to injury, he isn't replaceable. He is such a force out there, in every way.

- The DL. I know they are not proven, but I just have to feel that Ziggy and Heyward MUST be legit studs waiting in the wings. I just feel that Pgh doesn't strike out with first rounders as a rule. I am going to assume those two pan out; Ziggy has been working out hardcore and has transformed his body into a heap of muscle. Did you see those youtube vids showing him working out and the difference in his body? Heyward was a stud at OSU and had leadership written all over him. Now that he's not a rookie, that will begin to emerge. At NT, I am going to assume Hampton won't be back to his usual self, maybe ever again. Hope I am wrong. But I am amazed he has been as productive as he has at this age and size. Usually a guy that massive would not play this well, this long. I like the chances of Ta'alu ending up the cornerstone at NT, but he is hurt so I don't know if that will happen this year, so NT is a concern, as the Pgh 3-4 FAILs miserably if they don't have NT taken care of. The whole system just doesn't work if that spot isn't nailed down.

But all that being said, I still like their chances. I strongly believe that the team will experience addition through subtraction with Arians and Mendenhall being OUT of there. I feel we can afford to have a little lesser of a D and still be better than last year without that F----g MORON at OC. Arians truly sucked, and it is more obvious now than ever. Ben covered up all of Arians' moronic play designing and calling. Thank you, Art Rooney for having the stones to do what needed done. Tomlin wasn't going to do it.