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birtikidis
07-17-2012, 02:35 PM
Max Starks just tweeted a photo of his new Steelers contract!

ROLROC
07-17-2012, 02:40 PM
Quality depth for OL...good news!

calmkiller
07-17-2012, 02:47 PM
Now if Mike Adams cannot handle the LT position they have a proven backup. Bye Bye Jonathan Scott.

Oviedo
07-17-2012, 02:50 PM
Max Starks just tweeted a photo of his new Steelers contract!

Best news I could've heard leading up to camp. Now I'm really psyched about our OL. No more crappy Guards and experienced OTs.

hawaiiansteel
07-17-2012, 02:56 PM
Now if Mike Adams cannot handle the LT position they have a proven backup. Bye Bye Jonathan Scott.


for now it's Bye Bye Chris Scott as the Steelers waived him to make room for Starks on the roster but Jonathan Scott will now face an uphill battle to make the team.

flippy
07-17-2012, 02:56 PM
Wonder if Max got some of Mike Wallace's money?

hawaiiansteel
07-17-2012, 02:59 PM
Steelers re-sign veteran tackle Max Starks

July 17, 2012
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers moved to strengthen an offensive line heavy on youth and pedigree by re-signing veteran tackle Max Starks to another one-year contract today.

The signing of their starting left tackle since 2008 gives the Steelers the luxury of keeping second-year pro Marcus Gilbert at right tackle, where he started as a rookie. Starks and rookie Mike Adams, their second-round draft choice, will contend for the starting job at left tackle in training camp.

Before they drafted Adams, the Steelers planned to move Gilbert to left tackle. Gilbert practiced on both sides during the spring.

Starks, an unrestricted free agent this year, underwent ACL surgery in January but proclaimed on Twitter this afternoon that "It's a great day, doc gave me a great report! On my way to being game ready."

Starks' experience with the Steelers since they drafted him on the third round from Florida in 2004 has been a mix of success and oddity. He became their starting right tackle in 2005, when they won a Super Bowl, and stayed there until Willie Colon beat him out in 2007.

Nevertheless, the Steelers made him their transition player in 2008 and paid him a one-year deal of nearly $7 million. He opened that season again as a backup but started 11 games at left tackle for an injured Marvel Smith.

In 2009, the Steelers named him their franchise player and paid him nearly $8.5 million for one season and he started every game at left tackle. Before training camp in 2010, they signed him to a four-year, $26.3 million contract. However, his season ended after seven games because of a neck injury and before the 2011 camp began, they released him for salary cap purposes.

They opened last season with Jonathan Scott as their left tackle but after four games, they signed Starks to a one-year contract and he started the rest of the way at left tackle, injuring his knee in the second quarter of their playoff loss to Denver. He became an unrestricted free agent in March and general manager Kevin Colbert said then that they would wait until the summer to determine whether to re-sign him.

No financial terms of Starks' one-year deal were available.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-re-sign-veteran-tackle-max-starks-645041/#ixzz20trDnY00

fezziwig
07-17-2012, 03:05 PM
This is good news. I've always liked Max.

calmkiller
07-17-2012, 03:09 PM
for now it's Bye Bye Chris Scott as the Steelers waived him to make room for Starks on the roster but Jonathan Scott will now face an uphill battle to make the team.

They were only at 89 for the roster spots....They had 1 free. Max was 90.

Shoe
07-17-2012, 03:17 PM
I'm OK with the signing--it proves to me the value of being BFF with the star QB. I'll be honest... I've always been a Max Starks basher, and to be even more honest--I'm dumbfounded at how successful he's been in the NFL, especially this past year.

That all being said, I don't think he'll be anything but a body out there. At best, a serviceable RT. He is overweight, slow (even in his prime), coming off major leg injury (problem for a BIG BIG man like this)... and even though his arrivable seemed to coincide with better o-line play, I thought he had the second Most Embarrassing performance by a Steeler player last year (1st place = Ike Taylor), when Aldon Smith absolutely abused him like a red-headed stepchild.

Shawn
07-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Best news I could've heard leading up to camp. Now I'm really psyched about our OL. No more crappy Guards and experienced OTs.

Agreed. Handing the LT to Adams who already has motivation issues was a very bad idea. Bringing in Starks will certainly make the transition less bumpy. And if Starks is healthy I see no way Adams wins the starter position.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
07-17-2012, 03:31 PM
Great news

RuthlessBurgher
07-17-2012, 03:35 PM
Awesome...now Mike Adams has legit competition for the LT spot...I don't want anything handed to the kid...he should have to work for it...if he earns it, great...if not, he can learn and be ready to shine next year. And we also now have legit depth at tackle regardless of whether Starks or Adams is starting (so we don't have to move Colon back from guard to tackle and shake everything up if one of our starting tackles in injured). Great, great news!!!

SidSmythe
07-17-2012, 03:55 PM
Hey, did everyone hear?? Max Starks is back!!!

hawaiiansteel
07-17-2012, 04:00 PM
They were only at 89 for the roster spots....They had 1 free. Max was 90.

then the Steelers still have one free roster spot free as they waived OT Chris Scott...

Eich
07-17-2012, 04:16 PM
When I first read this thread title, I thought it was going to be SKIPPY !!

RuthlessBurgher
07-17-2012, 04:22 PM
When I first read this thread title, I thought it was going to be SKIPPY !!

At this point, I'd take that too...Suisham really needs legit competition.

Eich
07-17-2012, 04:44 PM
At this point, I'd take that too...Suisham really needs legit competition.

Agreed. And wouldn't it be a real kick in the ass to any kicker that loses a competition with Swishy? Unless he was dealing with some kind of injury that no one was made aware of last year, there has to be next to zero confidence in him with our coaching staff.

grotonsteel
07-17-2012, 04:50 PM
Great News.

We have a proven LT also Ben is comfortable with Max Starks at LT. Ben is close to Willie Colon and Max Starks. Competition at LT during TC looks promising.

Shawn
07-17-2012, 04:51 PM
I would love to see Skippy back in the BnG.

Flasteel
07-17-2012, 05:02 PM
Wooooooo!!

My greatest concern heading into camp was the ability of Adams to hold up as the starting LT.

I guess my new greatest concern becomes either Suisham or the secondary. Gotta always have a conern I guess. :D

Oviedo
07-17-2012, 05:13 PM
When I first read this thread title, I thought it was going to be SKIPPY !!

I was afraid it was going to be Crash. I sort of vomited in my mouth thinking about it.

Oviedo
07-17-2012, 05:14 PM
I would love to see Skippy back in the BnG.

I'll pass. He is a head case who has lost it.

fezziwig
07-17-2012, 05:19 PM
I agree, Skippy is a head case that lost it and besides that, he burned the Rooney bridge in my opinion.

Oviedo
07-17-2012, 05:24 PM
I agree, Skippy is a head case that lost it and besides that, he burned the Rooney bridge in my opinion.

I agree about burning bridges...Mike Wallace take note!!!!! Reed had a very good contract offer and got greedy and more stupid. The latter is hard to believe given where he was on the scale.

SteelCrazy
07-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Im glad Starks is back, but what does this mean for Adams? Did they see something in mini camp they didnt like or is just for depth and competition?

phillyesq
07-17-2012, 06:38 PM
Very glad that Starks is back. Haven't seen the numbers yet, but I assume that it is for the vet minimum or pretty close. Whether or not he is starting in week 1, I'll be shocked if Starks doesn't start at some point during the season at one of the tackle spots.

D Rock
07-17-2012, 06:49 PM
I agree about burning bridges...Mike Wallace take note!!!!! Reed had a very good contract offer and got greedy and more stupid. The latter is hard to believe given where he was on the scale.


You have a serious addiction here.

hawaiiansteel
07-17-2012, 07:00 PM
Steelers Again Have Opportunity To Give Life To Dead Money By Bringing Back Starks

Tuesday, July 17th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

If you have read Steelers Depot for some time now, and listened to our podcast, you know that I am in no way surprised that the Pittsburgh Steelers brought back tackle Max Starks today on a one-year deal. It wasn't a matter of if it would happen in, only a matter of when in my opinion.

With Starks now back in the fold, it once again gives the Steelers the opportunity to give life to dead salary cap money that was created when Starks was released at the end of July last offseason. When Starks was released it created dead money charges of $2 million in both 2011 and 2012, because of the left over amortization amount of the $8 million signing bonus that he received with his new contract back in 2009.

The Steelers of course brought back Starks last season on a one-year contract for the minimum following the week 4 loss to the Houston Texans. The contract essential counted $619,000 against the 2011 salary cap and thus helped the Steelers feel like they were getting some worth out of the $2 million dead money charge.

Starks played well upon his return and helped stabilize the offensive line some in the process. Essentially Starks cost the Steelers $2.619 million in 2011 and I feel they got their moneys worth.

Had Starks not torn his right ACL in the AFC Wild Card game against the Denver Broncos this past January, it was a good bet that the Steelers would have brought him back for one more year, even after drafting Mike Adams in the second round of the draft. The torn up knee of course threw some degree of uncertainty into the picture, because it all became predicated on how quickly he could rehab.

With Starks now back under contract, the Steelers once again have a shot at giving life to the 2012 portion of his dead money. While financial details of the one year contract that he signed today have not been made public yet, it is believed to be a qualifying contract of $825,000. The max amount of signing bonus that Starks can receive with that type of contract is $65,000, so that means his 2012 salary cap charge will be no greater than $605,000, because of the discount allowed with that type of deal.

Should Starks indeed make the 53 man roster out of camp, he essentially will cost them $2.605 million against the 2012 cap. If he doesn't, the Steelers will only be on the hook for the amount of the signing bonus they game him on Tuesday, if any, along with the $2 million in dead money that was there to begin with.

Currently, Starks is just 6 months removed from his surgery, so it should not alarm anyone if he starts training camp off on the Active PUP list. In fact, I would be mighty surprised if he doesn't. Starting training camp off on the PUP will allow him to slowly work on building up his conditioning, while also giving him time to learn the nuances of the new offense being installed by Todd Haley. He can also help tutor the rookie Adams in addition.

As far as preseason playing time goes, the third or final exhibition game would likely be the best bet to see him return to the field. There is no reason to rush him along right now, as Adams could certainly use as much playing time as possible to see if he can win the starting left tackle spot. If he can't, Starks should be ready to open the season at Denver as the starter on the left side.

The return of Starks also should now allow second year tackle Marcus Gilbert to remain focused on the right tackle position throughout training camp, the position he played for nearly all of his rookie year after Willie Colon was lost for the season in week 1 against the Baltimore Ravens.

While backup tackle Jonathan Scott is likely feeling a bit more uneasy on Tuesday, the Steelers will likely keep him around as long as possible throughout training camp just in case of an emergency. The Steelers have plenty of cap space right now with him on the roster, so it would not be surprising to see him stay until Starks can get a preseason game underneath his belt. It only makes sense to do that. The only way they would possibly need that $2.2 million of cap space that they will save by releasing Scott, is when and if they come to terms with restricted free agent Mike Wallace on a new long-term deal.

The Steelers move to bring back Starks is really a win-win for everyone as the only thing they stand to lose is any bonus money that Starks might have received, and as I noted earlier, that will be no greater than $65,000.

Welcome back Max, I knew you would return!

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/steelers_again_have_opportunity_to_give_life_to_de ad_money_by_bringing_back_starks/11239654

Discipline of Steel
07-17-2012, 07:10 PM
+++ for team chemistry!

SteelBucks
07-17-2012, 08:12 PM
When he fully recovered from his injury, this was a no-brainer move by the FO. Quality depth and protection if the Tackles struggle. Nice!

steelz09
07-18-2012, 09:07 AM
21 hrs ago I tweeted that the Steelers need to sign Max Starks to a one year deal. A couple hours later, they made it official! I always knew the Steelers FO followed my Twitter account :) And apparently, they must follow this forum since they finally decided to move Colon to guard.

Oviedo
07-18-2012, 09:54 AM
21 hrs ago I tweeted that the Steelers need to sign Max Starks to a one year deal. A couple hours later, they made it official! I always knew the Steelers FO followed my Twitter account :) And apparently, they must follow this forum since they finally decided to move Colon to guard.

...and put Legursky and Foster squarely into the back up role where they should have been all along. The change in the OL this off season has really been amazing. I'm just disappointed that it took the FO 2+ years to realize how inadequete some of the players on the OL were.

Just imagine if Ben hadn't taken the pounding he did how we may have done better.

grotonsteel
07-18-2012, 12:06 PM
...and put Legursky and Foster squarely into the back up role where they should have been all along. The change in the OL this off season has really been amazing. I'm just disappointed that it took the FO 2+ years to realize how inadequete some of the players on the OL were.

Just imagine if Ben hadn't taken the pounding he did how we may have done better.

Don't forget HOF Centers Sean Mahan and Justin hartwig. Not only did Steelers drafted poor O-linemen they also signed some poor FA.

Eich
07-18-2012, 12:15 PM
Just imagine if Ben hadn't taken the pounding he did how we may have done better.

Yep - injuries killed us last year. But just a healthy Ben alone and I think we would have gone past the Broncos and the Cheaters didn't want any part of our offense after what we did to them earlier in the season.

hawaiiansteel
07-19-2012, 05:34 PM
Starks To Start Camp On PUP & Says Haley Offense Very Similar To Whisenhunt’s

Wednesday, July 18th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Pittsburgh Steelers tackle Max Starks was welcomed back to Pittsburgh Wednesday morning in an interview on DVE Radio. During the interview Starks shared his thoughts on whether or not he thought he would be back with the Steelers, if he thinks he will start at left tackle and the new play-book of offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

"Did I think I would not be here? Yeah, yeah, I definitely did," said Starks, when asked if he had thoughts that he might not possibly be back with the Steelers. "I had that thought in my mind." He continued, "How things happened early on last year. You know, just trying to be realistic and having an injury, having an ACL, I did not think I had an opportunity here."

"I was very fortunate when I came in yesterday. Dr. Bradley gave me a good report and thanked me for working as hard as I did. And then the next thing you know I went and met with management and they gave me an opportunity and asked me if I wanted an opportunity. And I was blessed and fortunate to get it."

Starks was later asked if it was his intentions to teach rookie tackle Mike Adams by letting him watch on the sideline as he started. "I'm going to do what I've always done and that's always help young guys if they ask me for it. But once again, at the end of the day, I'll probably be starting out on PUP, so I'll be in a watching role."

When pressed further if he thought that he would be the starting left tackle this year, Starks said, "I'm a confident individual. If given the opportunity, yeah I don't see why I wouldn't compete for the starting the job."

Starks talked later about getting the play-book yesterday and his thoughts on the new offense being installed by Haley. "I already had some familiarity, because Todd's system is very similar to Ken Whisenhunt's," said Starks. "So I was already familiar with it and I talked to Koogs (offensive line coach Sean Kugler) yesterday and we went over some of the stuff."

"I'm pretty familiar with it," added Starks. "It's the old system I ran the first three years here. A little bit nuanced as far as the play-calling style and some of the play names, they kind of tweaked them a little bit. As far as knowing what the plays are, I don't think it'll be that tough to pick up."

The declaration made by Starks that he will likely be starting off training camp on the Active PUP list is not a surprising one. He is only 6 months now removed from the surgery on his right ACL, so it is possible that he will not see action in the preseason until about the third or fourth game. The first part of camp he will be working on strengthening that knee even more and working on his overall conditioning.

The Steelers know what Starks is capable and not capable of doing already, so with him working on continuing his own rehab, they can get a long look at Adams early on to see if he can win the starting left tackle spot outright.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/starks_to_start_camp_on_pup_says_haley_offense_ver y_similar_to_whisenhunts/11246965

Shawn
07-19-2012, 06:17 PM
Why would Haley's pb be that similar to whis?

flippy
07-19-2012, 06:54 PM
Maybe they just wanted to go back to Whiz's offense. Thanks to Max for being the first to point it out. Doh!

RuthlessBurgher
07-19-2012, 07:01 PM
Why would Haley's pb be that similar to whis?

Well, Todd's first opportunity to be an O.C. was under Whis...prior to that, he worked primarily with the WR's for the Jets, Bears, and Cowboys. When they both arrived in Arizona in 2007, Ken was a first time H.C. with O.C. experience and Todd was a first time O.C., so it would make sense that Whis would work hand-in-hand with Haley when creating his first playbook. I would imagine many of those basic offense principles he picked up from Whis would have followed Haley to K.C. and now Pittsburgh.

Slapstick
07-19-2012, 10:35 PM
Well, Todd's first opportunity to be an O.C. was under Whis...prior to that, he worked primarily with the WR's for the Jets, Bears, and Cowboys. When they both arrived in Arizona in 2007, Ken was a first time H.C. with O.C. experience and Todd was a first time O.C., so it would make sense that Whis would work hand-in-hand with Haley when creating his first playbook. I would imagine many of those basic offense principles he picked up from Whis would have followed Haley to K.C. and now Pittsburgh.

It may be even deeper than that...

Both Haley and Whisenhunt worked in Charlie Weis' system in New York...Haley had been the QC coach for a few years and became the WR coach while Whisenhunt was working with TEs...their common offensive philosophy was born there...

Upon hiring Haley, Whisenhunt commented in the press conference how Haley was as close to Whis system-wise as he could possibly be...

Shawn
07-20-2012, 09:24 AM
Well, Todd's first opportunity to be an O.C. was under Whis...prior to that, he worked primarily with the WR's for the Jets, Bears, and Cowboys. When they both arrived in Arizona in 2007, Ken was a first time H.C. with O.C. experience and Todd was a first time O.C., so it would make sense that Whis would work hand-in-hand with Haley when creating his first playbook. I would imagine many of those basic offense principles he picked up from Whis would have followed Haley to K.C. and now Pittsburgh.

Good call, thanks for the insight.

NorthCoast
07-21-2012, 10:42 AM
I have no problem if we see shades of Whiz this season. His gameplans were head and shoulders above BA's.