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Oviedo
07-17-2012, 07:40 AM
Just makes sense given that the talent pool the NFL draws from isn't "training" players to run the "old school" power football offense that so many don't want to let go of. The name of the game is passing and speed. That isn't going to change because you can't get players from the college ranks who play "old school" football. Trying to run the ball like it is 1975 is just plain stupid.

http://triblive.com/sports/2214013-85/yards-nfl-running-offense-spread-teams-steelers-backs-season-pass

Eich
07-17-2012, 07:46 AM
Just makes sense given that the talent pool the NFL draws from isn't "training" players to run the "old school" power football offense that so many don't want to let go of. The name of the game is passing and speed. That isn't going to change because you can't get players from the college ranks who play "old school" football. Trying to run the ball like it is 1975 is just plain stupid.

http://triblive.com/sports/2214013-85/yards-nfl-running-offense-spread-teams-steelers-backs-season-pass

But if most teams are doing this, there is a schoool of thought to counter it: If the offenses are leaning to the spread, passing offense, that means that the defenses are putting emphasis on it as well. Instead of run-stuffing big people, they're going for speed in coverage. Isn't a good way to take advantage of that is to have a decent run game?

Oviedo
07-17-2012, 07:51 AM
But if most teams are doing this, there is a schoool of thought to counter it: If the offenses are leaning to the spread, passing offense, that means that the defenses are putting emphasis on it as well. Instead of run-stuffing big people, they're going for speed in coverage. Isn't a good way to take advantage of that is to have a decent run game?

You need a run game but you probably can't match the scoring by trying to run the ball at 4 yards per carry. The "fast break" offense will just outscore you and you can't really slow it down because the rules favor that kind of play.

Oviedo
07-17-2012, 08:21 AM
I found this statement in the article interesting given that everyone assumed Haley would be reining in the passing game.


Although offensive coordinator Todd Haley won’t fully unveil the Steelers’ new system until the Sept. 9 opener, they’re spreading it out, too. Ben Roethlisberger averaged 3,868 yards passing the past three seasons, a figure approached only once in team history before he arrived in 2004.


I'm totally OK with this. With the game on the line I want the ball in the hands of Big Ben, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace (if he feels like playing) instead of Ike Redman or Dwyer. Our best talent is our receivers and QB not our RBs. Play to that strength.

feltdizz
07-17-2012, 08:56 AM
If the other team can't stop Dwyer or Redman and they are getting tons of pressure on Ben... I want the RB's to close out the game. I think playing to our strength instead of the opponents weakness is going down the BA road...

I'm not suggesting RUTM if we need 7 in a 2 minute offense... but if we are up by 3 and the opponent can't stop our ground game why throw the ball? Just because it's our strength?

One other thing... for all this spread offense talk who was the #1 prospect the last 2 years? Andrew Luck.

Most fast break offenses look pedestrian when up against a good D. I have yet to see the Pats put up 50 in the playoffs against a worthy opponent. Sure it works against the Bills and Dolphins but once the playoffs start the games tend to stay in the 17 to 24 point range.

flippy
07-17-2012, 09:50 AM
But if most teams are doing this, there is a schoool of thought to counter it: If the offenses are leaning to the spread, passing offense, that means that the defenses are putting emphasis on it as well. Instead of run-stuffing big people, they're going for speed in coverage. Isn't a good way to take advantage of that is to have a decent run game?

Also a premium is going to have to be paid to personnel that fit in the spread offense. So maybe you can get more value paying for the players most people don't value.

RuthlessBurgher
07-17-2012, 10:23 AM
In order to run a spread offense, it would probably be a good idea to employ a guy who is able to take the top off a defense, giving you big play possibilities as well as opening up things underneath as well (even if it costs more than $8 million per season to secure his services).

Oviedo
07-17-2012, 10:25 AM
Inventing logic to stay stuck in the past usually does not equate to superior performance in the future. It's like a buggy whip maker justifying the horse drawn carriage by saying buggy whips are cheaper than tires. How'd that work out?

feltdizz
07-17-2012, 11:33 AM
Inventing logic to stay stuck in the past usually does not equate to superior performance in the future. It's like a buggy whip maker justifying the horse drawn carriage by saying buggy whips are cheaper than tires. How'd that work out?

horrible analogy slanted in your favor....

How about...electric motor vs hybrid electric motor vs gas motor...

or wind/solar power vs coal.

At the end of the day...LOL, it's football. Run and pass... and all the gimmicks and new offenses will get exposed by the D and it will circle back to the basics. It always does...

Eich
07-17-2012, 12:17 PM
Is it better to be great at one phase of the game (like the Cheaters of 2007) or is it better to be pretty good in all of them (like the Steelers of 2005 & 2008 ?

I do agree that our play-makers should be the focus of our offense (Ben, Brown, Wallace, Sanders, Miller). BUT since we're already solidifying the line to help Ben, you could really do some damage by having a really good running game to go along with it all.

The Ravens, by having Rice, force us to have some run-stuffers on defense. And that should play to their advantage in the playoffs if they meet teams that don't have run-stuffers. We should be able to do the same with our backs and a balanced attack.

I don't want a return to 1975. Nor do I think Rooney had this in mind when he asked for a commitment to the run. I just think in today's game, the ability to run makes your passing game all that more dangerous. Peyton couldn't get his ring until he finally started relying more on the run as a compliment to what he was doing. And as good as Brady is in the regular season throwing the ball 40+ times a game, he hasn't won the big game since the cheating stopped and while cheating, he couldn't outscore the opponent by more than 3 points.

grotonsteel
07-17-2012, 01:16 PM
You need a run game but you probably can't match the scoring by trying to run the ball at 4 yards per carry. The "fast break" offense will just outscore you and you can't really slow it down because the rules favor that kind of play.

+1

Compound it with Red Zone struggles and you get a 21st scoring despite doing really well in other categories of offense. Less Offensive possession equals less scoring oppurtunity.

Todd haley need to start using the entire field of football. Start using short passes to AB,Rainey and Miller and if CB start pressing well start throwing 50 yard passes to Wallace and burn the CBs.

grotonsteel
07-17-2012, 01:23 PM
In order to run a spread offense, it would probably be a good idea to employ a guy who is able to take the top off a defense, giving you big play possibilities as well as opening up things underneath as well (even if it costs more than $8 million per season to secure his services).


+1

Steelers will need Mike Wallace to take to top of the defense to make passing offense potent. One can't just shorten the field and allow your QB to turn to Captain Checkdown and make life easy for opponent Defensive Backs.

fezziwig
07-17-2012, 01:47 PM
I don't mind that this is a passing league and yes, it is probably more suited for our current Steeler players. I also agree that you can't stay ahead or play catch up to a team that passes while your team is trying to run for their scores. To me it's all about impossing your will on the other team be it running or passing. A team needs to run the ball in certain situations. Going for a 1 or 2 yard mark, endzone or just taking over the game along with clock management. At some point the NFL will evolve so much that, players or teams will no longer have the teachings of how to stop the run. ( not that they won't but, it will be far from their strength as a player or a team ) Once tha happens, everyone will jump on the running game train.

D Rock
07-17-2012, 02:22 PM
Allow me to play devil's advocate here:

Big pass play offenses score a lot of points, yes. But if the slow running based offense scores every time they have the ball too, then there is no difference in score.

Which defense will be more worn out and likely to make mistakes and give up points at the end of the game - the one who has been on the field 70 plays making and taking hits to linemen and running backs, or the defense who has been on the field for 40 plays watching QBs and WRs play catch?

flippy
07-17-2012, 03:00 PM
Allow me to play devil's advocate here:

Big pass play offenses score a lot of points, yes. But if the slow running based offense scores every time they have the ball too, then there is no difference in score.

Which defense will be more worn out and likely to make mistakes and give up points at the end of the game - the one who has been on the field 70 plays making and taking hits to linemen and running backs, or the defense who has been on the field for 40 plays watching QBs and WRs play catch?

Not to mention, the more pass attempts, the more opportunities for the D to make splash plays. ie. QB strip sacks, INTs, QB sacks/hits, etc.

feltdizz
07-17-2012, 03:28 PM
+1

Compound it with Red Zone struggles and you get a 21st scoring despite doing really well in other categories of offense. Less Offensive possession equals less scoring oppurtunity.

Todd haley need to start using the entire field of football. Start using short passes to AB,Rainey and Miller and if CB start pressing well start throwing 50 yard passes to Wallace and burn the CBs.

needs to start?

You are ready to send back a meal that hasn't been cooked yet...

feltdizz
07-17-2012, 03:33 PM
Not to mention, the more pass attempts, the more opportunities for the D to make splash plays. ie. QB strip sacks, INTs, QB sacks/hits, etc.

This right here... the last thing I want is a spread offense with Ben holding onto the ball and taking hits while looking for Wallace down field.

If it's the Tennessee or Pats blueprint I'm all for it... I'm not worried about Haley... I'm worried about Ben free styling Haleys plays when there isn't a need. I love when a play breaks down and Ben works his magic but other times Miller is wide open or a RB is open in the flat and Ben won't take it.

Sugar
07-17-2012, 04:18 PM
The Ravens, by having Rice, force us to have some run-stuffers on defense. And that should play to their advantage in the playoffs if they meet teams that don't have run-stuffers. We should be able to do the same with our backs and a balanced attack.


Let's also remember that the Clowns drafted Richardson as well. That means at least four games a year against high powered rushing attacks.

Eich
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
Let's also remember that the Clowns drafted Richardson as well. That means at least four games a year against high powered rushing attacks.

Exactly. We have to be prepared to defend the run in the AFC North. Might as well make the rest of the league defend ours in the playoffs.