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fordfixer
06-22-2012, 08:44 AM
Wake-up call: Steelers to play in Ireland?

June, 21, 2012
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/50126/wake-up-call-steelers-to-play-in-ireland\

By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com



Every morning, grab a cup of coffee and get your AFC North wake-up call here:

Could the Pittsburgh Steelers play a regular-season game in Ireland?

If Dan Rooney has his way, it will eventually happen. League officials visited Dublin's Croke Park this year and found the venue "very attractive."

"I think sometime very soon it will happen and I think the commissioner is interested in working something out and, sure, I'd like to see the Steelers involved," Rooney told the BBC News-Northern Ireland site.

Rooney has been the United States ambassador to Ireland since 2009.

Hensley's slant: I've never been in favor of moving regular-season games from fans here in the United States, especially the ones who pack their home stadiums. I understand that the owners want to market the game internationally. That generates more revenue. I just dislike the fact that one of the eight games at Heinz Field in a given season could get displaced because of Ireland.

BENGALS: ESPN's John Clayton told the Bengals' official website that he is going to wait before giving a final grade to the Bengals, but he thinks Cincinnati is going to be in the hunt thanks to another big draft. "They're not as good as Pittsburgh and Baltimore yet," Clayton said. "(But) let's put it this way. I think they're going to be contending for years." Clayton questions the addition of running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis. "He's never carried it very much or been the lead guy," Clayton said. "He isn't used to a lot of carries and he's going to a running division and running team." Hensley's slant: There weren't any explosive running backs available in free agency. Cincinnati had to choose between Green-Ellis and Michael Bush. Green-Ellis provides more ball security and more power in the red zone.

BROWNS: Josh Cribbs set career highs in receptions (41), receiving yards (518) and touchdown catches (four) last season. He still believes he can make an impact as a wide receiver. “I’m going to catch the ball when it’s thrown to me,” Cribbs told the Browns' official website. “I’m excited about getting the ball in my hands and doing something with it. I’m still proving to the naysayers about catching the football, but I have no problem proving everybody wrong.” Hensley's slant: Cribbs might not get his way, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Cribbs isn't expected to come close to his 567 offensive snaps from last season because he is expected to see "heavy duty" on special teams. The Plain Dealer reported the Browns hope Josh Cooper and/or Jordan Norwood can fill the third receiver spot.

RAVENS: The Ravens’ medical staff has been examining sleep studies put together by the U.S. military to determine if it would make sense to change the team’s schedule when heading to the West Coast. One change would be to slowly move back morning meetings throughout the week (the morning meetings would begin 8:15 a.m. on Wednesday but start at 10:15 a.m. by Friday) so players will get acclimated to West Coast times. "We’re turning over every stone, looking at everything in our program, to find any way to get better,” Ravens coach John Harbaugh told the Ravens' official website. Hensley's slant: A change is probably in order for the Ravens. Last season, half of their regular-season losses came on the West Coast. Baltimore lost at Seattle (22-17) and at San Diego (34-14). The Ravens' only West Coast trip this season is at San Diego on Nov. 25.

Ghost
06-22-2012, 08:58 AM
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Sugar
06-22-2012, 09:03 AM
That would suck.

Crash
06-22-2012, 10:55 AM
Tell the NFL no.

Send Perrish Cox and the 49ers over. Or Mike Vick and the Eagles over. Or Cedric Benson and whereever he ends up over.

Goodell vilifies this team, and it's players. And now Dan will bend over for him and send this team to Ireland?


Rooney needs to show loyalty to his players for once, and tell the league to get bent.

Ghost
06-22-2012, 12:49 PM
Tell the NFL no? You do realize that Dan Rooney is the one trying to get the Steelers to go, not the other way around , right?

Dan Rooney:

"I think it'd be terrific," he says.

"We came over before back in 1997 and played a pre-season game.”

A canny diplomat within the sport, Rooney says he has already lobbied Roger Goodell, the NFL commissioner, playing hard on the fact that Goodell's family heritage also happens to be Irish.
"We've talked about it," he grins.

"But I think sometime very soon it will happen and I think the commissioner is interested in working something out and, sure, I'd like to see the Steelers involved."

Crash
06-22-2012, 12:55 PM
Then he needs to grow a set and realize this team going to Ireland is a complete waste of time.

Slapstick
06-22-2012, 01:10 PM
Then he needs to grow a set and realize this team going to Ireland is a complete waste of time.

...in your opinion.

Dan, apparently, has a different opinion entirely...

Crash
06-22-2012, 01:19 PM
...in your opinion.

Dan, apparently, has a different opinion entirely...

Yeah, the wrong one.

I would bet if you asked his players, they would agree with me.

Their wishes should come first. I mean really, would anyone really care 5 years after the fact that they played there? Why uproot you're entire team for a week in Ireland?

Makes no sense.

NottinghamForest_UK
06-22-2012, 01:38 PM
It might suck for some of you guys! But for obvious reasons I'd love this to happen .....just a short boat trip! Croke Park has an amazing atmosphere when full. But I do concur with the above opinions, it does make no sense!

Slapstick
06-22-2012, 01:39 PM
Yeah, the wrong one.

I would bet if you asked his players, they would agree with me.

Their wishes should come first. I mean really, would anyone really care 5 years after the fact that they played there? Why uproot you're entire team for a week in Ireland?

Makes no sense.

It's all part of the job...

I bet if you asked the players, they would also do away with OTAs and training camp...

Even the lowest paid player makes hundreds of thousands of dollars per year...if the boss wants to send them on an all-expenses-paid work trip to the Emerald Isle, they should be fine with it...they're professionals...

At any rate, it won't happen soon...right now, the St. Louis Rams are scheduled to play at Wembley Stadium through 2014...

Unless the NFL wants two regular season games overseas...

Slapstick
06-22-2012, 01:40 PM
It might suck for some of you guys! But for obvious reasons I'd love this to happen .....just a short boat trip! Croke Park has an amazing atmosphere when full. But I do concur with the above opinions, it does make no sense!

Have you seen any of the other NFL games played in England?

Crash
06-22-2012, 01:49 PM
OTA's are voluntary. They have ONE 3 day mandatory mini-camp before training camp.

You need training camp, because you have to hit a little before you play, but even the hitting at camp has been reduced under the new CBA. It's not like it was 20 years ago, or even 5 years ago.

Any good boss should be flexible with his employees. Especially those who make MILLIONS for him. If the players feel that not spending a week in Ireland improves their chances for success? Rooney should put his players needs first.

After the way Goodell has treated this team Rooney should wake up and not allow him to use it as a freaking show pony. Have some goddamn pride for once.

NottinghamForest_UK
06-22-2012, 01:55 PM
Yeah I've been to Wembley and to be fair the atmosphere was pretty good, in fact the whole set up (tailgate) gets better year on year, a multitude of different fans always turn up to the party. But I've never seen the Steelers YET ..... Croke Park holds the Irish Rugby Union matches and it's a cracking place to go, and the Irish are very hospitable, nuts. Having said all that It's still not the real thing .... I cannot wait to go Heinz Field!

hawaiiansteel
06-22-2012, 02:42 PM
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Slapstick
06-22-2012, 04:05 PM
Have some goddamn pride for once.

Has it occurred to you that pride is exactly why Rooney is doing this?

Is it such a stretch that Dan Rooney, U.S. Ambassador to Ireland, Vice-Chairman of The American Ireland Fund, recipient of an honorary Commander of the British Empire award for, in the words of Queen Elizabeth, his “exceptional contribution to peace and reconciliation in Northern Ireland,” may wanthis team to play in Ireland?

As a group, the NFL owners agreed to the international series and even extended the original resolution to 2016...the good of the league has always been at the forefront of Dan Rooney's thinking...why should the Steelers not take advantage of this opportunity while they are still able?

Crash
06-22-2012, 04:13 PM
The Steelers players gain next to nothing for this. All it would do is stroke Rooney's ego.

After the way Goodell has treated this team? If I were Rooney I would do NOTHING to aid this league at all. The league isn't going to go under if we don't play in Ireland.

Slapstick
06-22-2012, 04:27 PM
The Steelers players gain next to nothing for this.

Except for the huge game check that each player receives, some larger than others, but all sizable...

Crash
06-22-2012, 04:31 PM
Except for the huge game check that each player receives, some larger than others, but all sizable...

Does the pay increase for the player if they play in Ireland? If it doesn't that's a weak reach.

Don't be a shill all the time.

Slapstick
06-22-2012, 05:08 PM
Does the pay increase for the player if they play in Ireland? If it doesn't that's a weak reach.

Don't be a shill all the time.

Should the pay increase if they play in Ireland? Doesn't the team already take care of hotel and travel expenses?

If you stop complaining just to read your own posts, I'll stop being a shill...

Crash
06-22-2012, 05:26 PM
Should the pay increase if they play in Ireland? Doesn't the team already take care of hotel and travel expenses?

Traveling to Ireland is a tad different, than a bus ride to Cleveland.

If you polled the players, they wouldn't want to go.

If Rooney allows this team to be Goodell's sideshow for a week? He has no loyalty to his players and he's basically Goodell's man-servant. After everything Goodell has done to this team since he became commish? The last thing I would be doing is favors for "the shield".

hawaiiansteel
06-22-2012, 06:22 PM
If Rooney allows this team to be Goodell's sideshow for a week? He has no loyalty to his players and he's basically Goodell's man-servant. After everything Goodell has done to this team since he became commish? The last thing I would be doing is favors for "the shield".


I think you are missing the main point here though Crash...

with Dan Rooney proudly serving as the US ambassador to Ireland since 2009, he WANTS to play in Ireland.

this has nothing whatsoever to do with doing Roger Goodell a favor.

Crash
06-22-2012, 06:30 PM
I think you are missing the main point here though Crash...

with Dan Rooney proudly serving as the US ambassador to Ireland since 2009, he WANTS to play in Ireland.

this has nothing whatsoever to do with doing Roger Goodell a favor.

What he wants shouldn't matter in this instance. Should be left up to his players. Those whole trips are a traveling circus. It's not like you fly over on Friday and play Sunday.

fordfixer
06-22-2012, 07:43 PM
...in your opinion.

Dan, apparently, has a different opinion entirely...


Hey Slap you are acting like you are new here. Everyone knows that Crash's opinion is the only one that matters here (well in his mind anyway) and if you disagree with him (about anything really) then you are just one of the uneducated idiot Yinzers.;)

phillyesq
06-23-2012, 09:20 AM
I think you are missing the main point here though Crash...

with Dan Rooney proudly serving as the US ambassador to Ireland since 2009, he WANTS to play in Ireland.

this has nothing whatsoever to do with doing Roger Goodell a favor.

Crash is actually missing the point in a number of ways. The Steelers are nothing without the NFL. That is a fact. Helping the NFL will ultimately benefit the Steelers. The Rooneys are not going to do something to spite the NFL - why would they? It's the old cut off your nose to spite your face.

Moreover, Hawaiian, you are absolutely right that Dan Rooney would be proud to have his team play in Ireland. If the players don't like it -- tough. That is the way the world works. If my employer needs me to do something, I do it, whether I like it or not. For most people who have a boss and value their employment, it is pretty much the same.

Crash
06-23-2012, 11:17 AM
Why do we NEED to play in Ireland? Is the NFL going to expand there? No.

How does this HELP the NFL? Is the NFL in danger of going under if they don't play there? No.

This game isn't needed at all. All it does, is disrupt your own teams preparation for a game.

Slapstick
06-23-2012, 12:21 PM
What he wants shouldn't matter in this instance. Should be left up to his players. Those whole trips are a traveling circus. It's not like you fly over on Friday and play Sunday.

The players can cash their checks and be happy...

Crash
06-23-2012, 12:24 PM
The players can cash their checks and be happy...

They cash their same checks playing 8 regular season road games on US soil.

If that's the only argument you have? You got nothing. Again, that's the talk of a shill.

Slapstick
06-23-2012, 12:29 PM
They cash their same checks playing 8 regular season road games on US soil.

If that's the only argument you have? You got nothing. Again, that's the talk of a shill.

If you say so...

It's sweet that you feel sorry for the professional football players because they might have to play a game in Ireland because their boss wants them too...

Heck, a few years ago, you would have said, "If they don't like playing in Ireland? Cut them!"

Even Crash can change...

Crash
06-23-2012, 12:32 PM
If you say so...

It's sweet that you feel sorry for the professional football players because they might have to play a game in Ireland because their boss wants them too

And if they go there and get blasted? You'll be the first guy on this board blaming it on the travel.

It's pointless. It's not needed.

Slapstick
06-23-2012, 12:34 PM
And if they go there and get blasted? You'll be the first guy on this board blaming it on the travel.

Okay, let's make a bet:

If the Steelers play in Europe and get blasted, I bet that I will not be the first one on the board blaming it on the travel...

If I am, I'll leave the board forever...

If I'm not, you leave the board forever...

Do we have a deal?

Slapstick
06-23-2012, 12:35 PM
Besides, blaming it on the travel makes no sense in that instance...both teams have to travel...

Crash
06-23-2012, 12:37 PM
Okay, let's make a bet:

If the Steelers play in Europe and get blasted, I bet that I will not be the first one on the board blaming it on the travel...

If I am, I'll leave the board forever...

If I'm not, you leave the board forever...

Do we have a deal?

I'm not leaving Slap. I have to educate shills like you. Call it my civic duty. :D

Slapstick
06-23-2012, 12:40 PM
I'm a teacher. I can safely say that you are a crap educator...:D

fordfixer
06-23-2012, 01:38 PM
Okay, let's make a bet:

If the Steelers play in Europe and get blasted, I bet that I will not be the first one on the board blaming it on the travel...

If I am, I'll leave the board forever...

If I'm not, you leave the board forever...

Do we have a deal?

Take the Bet please

Crash
06-23-2012, 03:13 PM
Um, no. I like watching you follow me around like a dog Ford. Keep reading, you'll learn something.

fordfixer
06-23-2012, 10:44 PM
Um, no. I like watching you follow me around like a dog Ford. Keep reading, you'll learn something.
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hawaiiansteel
07-12-2012, 01:05 AM
Starkey: Steelers in Ireland? Brilliant!

By Joe Starkey
Published: Thursday, July 12, 2012


It made for a good radio topic, anyway: Would you be OK with your beloved Steelers relinquishing a regular-season home game in order to play one in Ireland?

The collective response was the most resounding “No!” heard in these parts since HBO asked Bill Cowher if he’d like his team featured on “Hard Knocks.”

As it turns out, you needn’t worry. Here is the email I received from Steelers headquarters: “We will not give up a home game to play in Ireland.”

That’s fairly clear.

So let’s move on to a couple of questions left in the wake of Steelers chairman emeritus Dan Rooney — the United States ambassador to Ireland — telling the BBC he’d love to see his team play a real game on the Emerald Isle, even if it isn’t a “home game:”

• Is it a worthwhile idea?

• Will the NFL be the first major North American sports league to position a team overseas?

Addressing the second question first, I’ll go with a definitive “maybe.” NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has made no secret of his interest in placing a team in London, where the NFL draws massive crowds to Wembley Stadium for an annual regular-season game.

Here’s the problem: One game does not necessarily translate to sustaining an actual team.

You’d think after centuries of torturing themselves with soccer (no, I won’t call it association football), the English would wake up one day and say, “My God, what we have done?” and turn to real football, once given a taste. But it’s not that easy. Start with the fact that the United Kingdom is positively united in the fact that its children do not play American football. They grow up playing soccer.

In England, the English Premier League (that’s soccer) rules the sports world, and its season runs concurrent to the NFL’s. People prefer soccer’s constant “action,” or flow, to American football’s frequent stoppages. When the Steelers played a preseason game 350 miles from London, in Dublin in 1997, the sport blew people’s minds.

Not necessarily in a good way.

The Associated Press quoted a Steelers fan as answering the following repeated questions from a bunch of teenage Gaelic football players:

• “Why do your players wear so much equipment?”

• “Why does the game take so long?”

They weren’t familiar with the concept of commercials. So, yeah, even 15 years later, American football would be a tough full-time sell in England, Ireland or other possible targets for NFL missionaries, including Munich, Frankfurt and Edinburgh.

However, one should never underestimate the NFL public-relations machine. It’s not a $9 billion-a-year business for nothing. The league continues to take incremental steps overseas, and powerful owners such as New England’s Robert Kraft are bullish on placing a team in London. The St. Louis Rams recently signed a three-year deal to play annually there, starting against Patriots on Oct. 28. So this is real.

Within two years, it’s likely the NFL will play two games overseas. That’s where Ireland comes in, and even if the e_SSRq97 Steelers-Bears exhibition hardly was a raging success — only 30,209 fans showed up — you can bet a real game would fill the seats at Croke Park Stadium (capacity: 82,500) in central Dublin.

Notre Dame and Navy will play a sold-out game in September at Dublin’s smaller Aviva Stadium (capacity: 50,000). NFL officials recently visited Croke Park, and, according to the BBC, found the site “very attractive.”

It would be that much more attractive if packed with Terrible Towel-waving fanatics, which is precisely what would happen if the Steelers were invited.

Why shouldn’t they go?

What better franchise to spread the gospel of American football?

Besides, the tailgate parties would be unbelievable (I hear they have beer in Ireland).

Some fans will worry about how the team rebounds from such a long trip. They shouldn’t. The New York Giants played in London in the middle of the 2007 season and wound up winning four playoff games, including a Super Bowl upset of the unbeaten Patriots.

Surely, somebody will give up a home game to join the Steelers in Dublin. There is money to be made.

It might make for an incredible “Hard Knocks”-like show, too, though I’d bet Mike Tomlin’s “No!” on that idea would be 10 times louder than Cowher’s.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2101502-85/game-steelers-ireland-nfl-football-team-american-dublin-london-real