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hawaiiansteel
06-19-2012, 12:40 PM
Priority for Steelers should be to extend Tomlin's contract

June 19, 2012
Bob Donaldson/Post-Gazette

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There has been much angst about Mike Wallace's future with the Steelers. Will he sign his one-year tender for $2,742,000 and report to training camp next month? Will he hold out and continue to try to negotiate a long-term contract? Will he be a disgruntled, disruptive player all season if he ends up having to sign the tender?

All are fair questions.

The angst is legitimate, although the belief here is that Wallace will report to Latrobe on time. He has no other option. He also will have a great season, either because of his peace of mind with a new multi-year contract or because he is smart enough to realize he has to have a great season to get the big money next year as an unrestricted free agent.

But Wallace isn't the most significant man the Steelers need to re-sign this summer.

That would be coach Mike Tomlin.

Keeping Tomlin for the long haul is much more important to the team's future.

According to Steelers.com, Tomlin is signed through this season with a club option for 2013. Traditionally, this is the time when the team does a new deal with the coach. It seems likely there will be an announcement -- quietly, of course, with no fanfare -- of an extension for Tomlin before camp. But if it doesn't happen before the start of the season in September, it will be reason for great concern. Bill Cowher led the Steelers to a win in Super Bowl XL after the 2005 season but didn't get an extension that offseason when he had two years left on his contract. After coaching the team in '06, he was gone.

What a shame it would be if Tomlin left.

The Steelers and Tomlin belong together. The Rooneys love continuity with their coach. That's why they stuck with Cowher for 15 seasons and Chuck Noll for 23 seasons, even through hard times. Tomlin has done a fabulous job for the franchise in his first five seasons, leading the team to two Super Bowls, including a win in Super Bowl XLIII. Yes, the Steelers were Tebowed by the Denver Broncos as heavy favorites in the first round of the playoffs last season, but that sort of thing happens to the best of teams and coaches occasionally. Tomlin still deserves an extension with a big pay raise, based on his body of work. But it's a two-way street. Tomlin has to realize he's working for the best, most stable, most understanding owners in sports. He should want to do a new deal and stay here for a long time. Here's hoping that's exactly what happens.

There's just one thing that could end this happy marriage ...

No, not Todd Haley.

The way the Steelers handled their change of offensive coordinators this offseason was filled with intrigue. Bruce Arians was forced out by president Art Rooney II against Tomlin's wishes. Tomlin said it was his decision to hire Haley for the job. There's no reason not to believe him. By all accounts, Haley has worked hard to earn the trust of Tomlin, the other coaches and the players. Everyone seems excited about the new offense's potential. Even Ben Roethlisberger has gone days without complaining about its complexities.

Tomlin couldn't have liked the way Rooney stepped in to ditch Arians, but you know what they say about the boss. He's the boss for a reason. You have to live with that fact, no matter how much you might hate it at times. Certainly, in this case, it's not a reason for Tomlin to give up what many consider to be the best coaching job in sports.

Now money?

That might be a different story.

The top NFL coaches are making a fortune these days. New England's Bill Belichick heads the list at $7.5 million per season, according to the May issue of Forbes Magazine. That's as it should be. Belichick has led the Patriots to wins in three Super Bowls and losses in two others.

The New York Giants' Tom Coughlin approached Belichick money when he signed a new three-year contract earlier this month. That, too, is deserved. The Giants won Super Bowl XLVI in February, their second championship under Coughlin.

Tomlin, who is making $5.75 million a year, according to Forbes Magazine, deserves to be on the next tier of coaches. Mike Shanahan of the Washington Redskins, Jeff Fisher of the St. Louis Rams and Pete Carroll of the Seattle Seahawks each make $7 million per year, the magazine reported. Shouldn't Tomlin be allowed in that very exclusive neighborhood? He's that good at what he does.

It will be interesting to see if the Rooneys pay that much for a coach. It's believed they didn't meet Cowher's price after that 2005 Super Bowl season, even though his exit was said to be for family reasons. He still might be coaching here if the team had stepped up to pay him.

As for Tomlin?

Letting him get away simply can't be an option.

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hawaiiansteel
06-19-2012, 06:49 PM
Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin All But Assured of Extension

by Neal Coolong on Jun 19, 2012

Post Gazette columnist Ron Cook gives us a bit of Chicken Little in his recent piece regarding Steelers coach Mike Tomlin's contract situation.

Per Steelers.com, Tomlin is signed through this season with a club option for 2013.

Loosely translated, the "club option" means the team can remove Tomlin after this season if they choose. Cook's point is mostly to point out what a shame it would be if the Steelers let Tomlin go.

It's also exactly why the San Diego Padres have a better chance of winning next year's Stanley Cup than Tomlin moving on next season.

Cook points out it's likely Tomlin will get an extension around training camp, likely without his own personal announcement via Twitter or Facebook or whatever relevant social media outlet he enjoys (if any). The correlation between Tomlin and former Steelers coach Bill Cowher will probably never fully go away, and the fact Cowher entered the 2006 season without having signed an extension is worthy of mention here. However, since 2007, only two other coaches have won two conference championship games - Giants coach Tom Coughlin and Patriots coach Bill Belichick.

Coughlin received an extension earlier this month, and Belichick's last extension was done in 2007, keeping him in place through 2013.

Tomlin's last extension came in 2010, a two year extension of his previous deal, and since teams rarely have coaches work into the final year of their contract, expect an extension in the near future. With Coughlin's deal reportedly worth somewhere in the ballpark of $20 million over three seasons, Tomlin's deal should be around that mark.

Tomlin replaced Cowher in 2007 after serving as the defensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings in 2006. He's 31-17 in the regular season and 6-3 in the playoffs. That mark includes 2-0 in the AFC Championship and 1-1 in the Super Bowl.

This season is looked upon as "Tomlin's" team in many ways. The nucleus of players who were drafted and arrived in Pittsburgh via free agency under Cowher are mostly gone now, and his first few noted drafted players - LBs Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley, DE Ziggy Hood and C Maurkice Pouncey are looked upon as savvy veterans now.

Tomlin shed the trend of Steelers teams dipping off the season after reaching the Super Bowl with a 12-4 mark last year, but a first-round playoff loss at Denver left many dissatisfied with the year as a whole. This year's team appears just as strong as any have been in Tomlin's regime, and looks on the brink of contention in the AFC.

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Oviedo
06-20-2012, 08:05 AM
Tomlin isn't going anywhere. The Rooney's realize they have one of the best coaches in the league.

Who would they get anyway if Tomlin left. Losers like Whisenhunt or Grimm:stirpot

Oviedo
06-20-2012, 01:03 PM
We could give him Mike Wallace's $2.7M on top of his current salary and deal done!!!!!

I mean so many people are worried about "fair" and isn't it "fair" that money go to someone who is actually here trying to help the team be successful?

hawaiiansteel
07-11-2012, 03:29 AM
Steelers value loyalty, stability, which is why it's time to extend Tomlin

By Len Pasquarelli | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
July 10, 2012


PITTSBURGH -- The notion broached recently by Pittsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Ron Cook is hardly original. But at a down time on the NFL calendar -- one that, for instance, elevated the decision by Houston tailback Arian Foster to become a vegan into a national headline -- the suggestion that Steelers officials might want to consider a contract extension for coach Mike Tomlin has gained plenty of play in Steelers territory.

Not that team ownership, which historically had addressed a head coach's tenure when his deal has two years remaining, requires prodding. In a city that is at the same time both contrarian and parochial, Cook's column hasn't encountered any of the criticism that often accompanies his strongly-stated stances.

A columnist is paid to churn the waters, to precipitate the kind of passion that is typically roiled up by opinion. Even here, most public debates have relocated from the corner tavern, over an ice-cold Iron City beer, to the Internet. But there's barely been a peep of discord since Cook mentioned the timeliness for a Tomlin contract add-on.

And in my hometown, silence is not only golden, but generally regarded by most as tacit acceptance.

Tomlin, who recently turned 40, is under contract through the coming season, with a team-held option for 2013. Counting the playoffs, he is 60-28 in five seasons, and has been to the postseason all but one year. He owns three division championships and one wild card berth, two Super Bowl appearances and a title ring, and has averaged a dozen victories per year.

The Steelers have anted up handsomely for that impressive record -- a recent Forbes article pegged Tomlin's salary of $5.75 million as topped by only six NFL coaches, and the two-year extension rewarded Tom Coughlin by the New York Giants likely lifted the number to seven -- but it's probably time to dig deep again. Pittsburghers respect digging, still an admirable endeavor, and if the Steelers' brass unearths a new deal for Tomlin before the franchise begins the season at Denver on Sept 9, the move figures to be a popular one.

Not just because Tomlin has established himself here as a winner, but also as a sort of adopted 'Burgher. Sure, the Steelers' coach is a Tidewater guy by birth, having hailed from Hampton, Va., but he has been accepted by Pittsburgh and has embraced the city as well.

Last week, as I was leafing through an old binder before relegating it to the basement, and the mountain of notated material I've hoarded away in past years, I happened upon some scribbled reminders of a conversation with Tomlin from the NFL meetings in West Palm Brach, Fla., earlier this spring. The setting for the chat was the annual dinner hosted by the Steelers, principally a let-your-hair-down dinner for club officials and several media hacks with Pittsburgh ties, and Tomlin mentioned that he felt his two young sons, Michael Dean (often known as Dino) and Mason, might be "Central material" in the future.

Now to a graduate of Pittsburgh Central Catholic, the all-boys school that is more an alma mater to yours truly than his University of Pittsburgh college home, there are no more meaningful words. But Tomlin's potential choice of high schools for his sons, even a prep school with such a strong identification to the city, is just part of what has cast him as a naturalized Pittsburgher. He and wife Kiya live in the city, not in the burgeoning 'Burgh 'burbs to where legions have escaped, and have become a recognizable and essential part of the community.

When the Rooney Family selected Tomlin as coach in 2007, after Bill Cowher opted to depart the franchise for a hiatus and possible retirement, there was considerable discussion about whether Pittsburgh was ready for an African-American coach. With Tomlin less than two months removed from the start of his sixth season with the club, color is a non-factor. The city has embraced Tomlin, and vice versa, and it's hard to fathom the two not moving forward together.

Pittsburgh loves loyalty, the Steelers value stability, and Tomlin certainly seems to be about both of those qualities.

The city could transform Mount Washington -- the craggy but scenic bluff where both tourists and locals congregate for breathtaking views of the three rivers and of a skyline whose architectural stature might be surprising to those who still connote Pittsburgh with the grimy steel mills that once blackened the sky, but which long ago disappeared -- into a kind of Mount Rushmore memorial to its sports heroes. Problem is, there wouldn't be enough room, and the chiselers would periodically have to revive the stone edifice with new faces. But there would be one constant: the players from the Pirates, Steelers, Penguins, and local colleges who hugged the city's work ethic and gleaned pride from membership in the fraternity would be prominently featured in the handiwork.

Sports here are personal, imbued in the civic mentality, woven into the fabric of the populace. And so the more recent nominations for Pittsburgh's version of Mount Rushmore would probably include guys like Hines Ward, Sidney Crosby or Andrew McCutcheon, men who made their homes and vocations here, who either played their entire careers in Pittsburgh or who recently signed contracts that all but certainly will bind them to one franchise for life.

Players who either seemingly snubbed their noses at Pittsburgh or left for allegedly greener pastures are reviled. Just ask Marian Hossa, Jaromir Jagr, Barry Bonds, Zach Parise, Plaxico Burress, and others.

Over the weekend, on an extended visit to help clean out my mother's house so that she can sell it or give it to one of my nieces to keep the old row-home in the family (she is leaning toward the latter), the unabashed pride that Pittsburghers possess in their sports teams was once again evident. On Sunday, standing in front of the family church that has been merged into a newly-created parish, it was notable how many of the folks in Bloomfield, the east-end neighborhood in which I grew up, had taken to Pirates' hats and T-shirts as the resurgent Buccos attempt to rebond with the city after 19 seasons of losing records.

A friend, though, mentioned that, even with the excitement of the Pirates' surge to the top of their division, the Steelers open training camp in less than three weeks. The team, no matter how well Pittsburgh's other franchises are performing, really is always uppermost. And so it would seem fitting that, even with the time left on his contract, Tomlin would get an extended deal.

Since the Steelers hired the sainted Hall of Fame coach Chuck Noll in 1969, the club has employed only three head coaches: Noll, Cowher, and now Tomlin, in 44 seasons. Tomlin's .682 winning percentage in his first five seasons is superior to those of Noll (.540) and Cowher (.640) over the same stretches of their careers. The comparison may be palpably unfair, since Noll inherited a franchise that had never won anything, and Cowher a team in need of refurbishing, but it's still notable.

Tomlin's two predecessors, though, became a part of the city's rich sports history, and he is poised to do the same. The Rooneys, and latest generational leader and team president Art Rooney II, are smart people who usually do the right thing, and that probably means a Tomlin extension. Especially given that the departures of Ward and James Farrior and Aaron Smith and others in the offseason has left the Steelers with a perceived leadership void.

Expect that several veteran players, but most prominently Tomlin as well, will step into the breach.

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D Rock
07-11-2012, 05:25 AM
We could give him Mike Wallace's $2.7M on top of his current salary and deal done!!!!!

I mean so many people are worried about "fair" and isn't it "fair" that money go to someone who is actually here trying to help the team be successful?


Not really. Tomlin is under contract. What is fair is that he show up and do the work he signed on to do. Mike Wallace is not under contract. The only contract he has ever signed with the Steelers he far outplayed and completed without issue.

Vis
07-11-2012, 05:51 AM
Tomlin will show up and work under the contract. but there is no coach franchise tag. If you let tomlin become a free agent you will have to back up a brinks truck to his door to keep him because it will be fair for him to listen to other offers.

Slapstick
07-11-2012, 08:58 AM
Not really. Tomlin is under contract. What is fair is that he show up and do the work he signed on to do. Mike Wallace is not under contract. The only contract he has ever signed with the Steelers he far outplayed and completed without issue.

If Mike Wallace would sign his tender and show up, the chances of him signing a new contract would increase dramatically...

NorthCoast
07-11-2012, 09:37 AM
One can also speculate that Tomlin's success may be due in part to the Steelers organization in general. Kevin Colbert just happens to be one of the premiere GMs in the league. I am surprised no team has backed up a Three Rivers barge full of money on his doorstep to land his talent.

Oviedo
07-11-2012, 09:44 AM
If Mike Wallace would sign his tender and show up, the chances of him signing a new contract would increase dramatically...

It's well known that the Steelers won't negotiate with someone who doesn't show up. So if Wallace wants to continue to play his silly little games he had better be prepared to spend lots of time at home.

D Rock
07-11-2012, 09:58 AM
Would take take a job offer that pays you 1/3 of your value for the next year simply in hopes of then getting paid that higher number in the near future? What if the job you were performing left you dangerously vulnerable to ending your career every single minute you are performing it?


Fans need to be reasonable here. You wouldn't accept that job offer and neither should Mike Wallace.

D Rock
07-11-2012, 09:58 AM
It's well known that the Steelers won't negotiate with someone who doesn't show up. So if Wallace wants to continue to play his silly little games he had better be prepared to spend lots of time at home.


The Steelers sign free agents every year who have not 'showed up'. This should be no different.

Oviedo
07-11-2012, 10:03 AM
Would take take a job offer that pays you 1/3 of your value for the next year simply in hopes of then getting paid that higher number in the near future? What if the job you were performing left you dangerously vulnerable to ending your career every single minute you are performing it?


Fans need to be reasonable here. You wouldn't accept that job offer and neither should Mike Wallace.

I would say Mike Wallace is the one who needs to be reasonable and hasn't up til now.

He can't play for any other team this season except the Steelers. The Steelers offered him the max they had to under the tag that Wallace's union collectively bargained for. The Steelers will not make a better offer as long as Wallace is staying away...that is a historical fact.

Therefore, what exactly is Wallace accomplishing by not signing his tag and reporting? He isn't accomplishing anything!

The Steelers are playing the music and Wallace has to dance. Thats just the way it is. If he doesn't like it he should use his free college education and do something else.

Slapstick
07-11-2012, 10:14 AM
The Steelers sign free agents every year who have not 'showed up'. This should be no different.

The Steelers sign unrestricted free agents...

This is different, because Mike Wallace isn't one of those...

D Rock
07-11-2012, 10:18 AM
I would say Mike Wallace is the one who needs to be reasonable and hasn't up til now.

He can't play for any other team this season except the Steelers. The Steelers offered him the max they had to under the tag that Wallace's union collectively bargained for. The Steelers will not make a better offer as long as Wallace is staying away...that is a historical fact.

Therefore, what exactly is Wallace accomplishing by not signing his tag and reporting? He isn't accomplishing anything!

The Steelers are playing the music and Wallace has to dance. Thats just the way it is. If he doesn't like it he should use his free college education and do something else.


What he is accomplishing is avoiding potentially career ending injuries. There's a lot more at play here than just dollars.

D Rock
07-11-2012, 10:22 AM
The Steelers sign unrestricted free agents...

This is different, because Mike Wallace isn't one of those...

It should be different in that the Steelers know what they have with Wallace and are able to offer a price for that. If they are sticking to the tag value until he shows up then they are just as much at fault as Wallace is.

It's impossible for any of us to really know whats going on behind closed doors. Maybe the Steelers aren't offering anything above the tag value right now. Maybe Wallace is demanding Fitz/Megatron money. We just don't know and likely never will. I guess we just have to wait it out and see what happens.

Flasteel
07-11-2012, 10:32 AM
Steelers value loyalty, stability, which is why it's time to extend Tomlin

By Len Pasquarelli | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
July 10, 2012

...The city could transform Mount Washington -- the craggy but scenic bluff where both tourists and locals congregate for breathtaking views of the three rivers and of a skyline whose architectural stature might be surprising to those who still connote Pittsburgh with the grimy steel mills that once blackened the sky, but which long ago disappeared -- into a kind of Mount Rushmore memorial to its sports heroes...

Didn't we already do this?

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Eich
07-11-2012, 11:01 AM
The top NFL coaches are making a fortune these days. New England's Bill Belichick heads the list at $7.5 million per season, according to the May issue of Forbes Magazine. That's not as it should be. Belichick has cheated his way to Patriots' wins in three Super Bowls and subsequently lost in two others.



Fixed that...

Slapstick
07-11-2012, 11:08 AM
It should be different in that the Steelers know what they have with Wallace and are able to offer a price for that. If they are sticking to the tag value until he shows up then they are just as much at fault as Wallace is.

It's impossible for any of us to really know whats going on behind closed doors. Maybe the Steelers aren't offering anything above the tag value right now. Maybe Wallace is demanding Fitz/Megatron money. We just don't know and likely never will. I guess we just have to wait it out and see what happens.

Why should Wallace be allowed to worry about catastrophic injury while the Steelers "should be different"?

OTAs and minicamp are over...what injury is he avoiding?

Oviedo
07-11-2012, 11:09 AM
What he is accomplishing is avoiding potentially career ending injuries. There's a lot more at play here than just dollars.

Do you really think the Steelers are going to increase whatever they are offering before he comes back especially if he doesn't show up two weeks from now? I wouldn't bet a nickel on that happening. The Steelers have their value and they stick to that in contract negotiations.

If the injury fear is paralyzing Wallace do we assume that he is not running, lifting or doing anything on his own because he is so afraid of injuries. Same thing can happen to him on his own as could while he is with the team. Just ask Suggs. or do the Steelers pay for a WR who hasn't worked out because he is afraid of getting hurt. I don't buy I'm afraid to get hurt argument unless he is really just shutting things down and living in a bubble.

D Rock
07-11-2012, 11:46 AM
Let's be serious...taking hits in training camp and preseason games on a $2.7M tender (WAY under market value) while negotiating a long term deal is much different than running and working out. Pulled hamstrings recover. Brain damage and shattered legs may not.

And we have no idea what the Steelers have offered at this point. If they have refused to negotiate above the tag value - that's bush league. If Wallace is holding out for $10M+ while refusing to sign the tag and negotiate even as the Steelers have put $6M on the table - that's bush league. We just don't know.

NorthCoast
07-11-2012, 11:58 AM
Let's be serious...taking hits in training camp and preseason games on a $2.7M tender (WAY under market value) while negotiating a long term deal is much different than running and working out. Pulled hamstrings recover. Brain damage and shattered legs may not.

And we have no idea what the Steelers have offered at this point. If they have refused to negotiate above the tag value - that's bush league. If Wallace is holding out for $10M+ while refusing to sign the tag and negotiate even as the Steelers have put $6M on the table - that's bush league. We just don't know.

If someone is that fearful of being injured, they cant really be very effective in the NFL. Wallace has already made more money than the average American family will make in 20 years. His value to the Steelers is not what other teams are willing to dump on their WRs, it is what the Steelers believe they need to pay him and still remain competitive. It is still very odd to me that not a single other team jumped at the chance to tender Wallace, since a top 3 WR in this league is a very valuable thing.

Oviedo
07-11-2012, 12:11 PM
If someone is that fearful of being injured, they cant really be very effective in the NFL. Wallace has already made more money than the average American family will make in 20 years. His value to the Steelers is not what other teams are willing to dump on their WRs, it is what the Steelers believe they need to pay him and still remain competitive. It is still very odd to me that not a single other team jumped at the chance to tender Wallace, since a top 3 WR in this league is a very valuable thing.

I think only Wallace and his agent believe he is a Top 3 WR in the NFL. Like you said, 31 other teams passed on signing Wallace and four of them thought it better to go with an unproven rookie WR than give up their Round 1 pick for what many want to characterize as a proven superstar NFL receiver who is only a few years older than the rookies. To me that says a bunch.

D Rock
07-11-2012, 12:37 PM
Wallace certainly isn't top 3. Top 10 is more like it, but besides speed he doesn't stand out in any way. Lucky for him, speed can go a long way as a WR.

Northcoast - No one ever said he is fearful of injury during games to the extent at which would render him ineffective. He may be fearful of injury while trying to score a mega contract though. And that is completely understandable. I'd be willing to bet that if he finally accepts the tag and plays on it, that worry wont show up during games. But until that time comes? Not considering the possibility of injury during training camp and preseason would be irresponsible for someone trying to maximize their career earning potential.

Oviedo
07-11-2012, 02:13 PM
Wallace certainly isn't top 3. Top 10 is more like it, but besides speed he doesn't stand out in any way. Lucky for him, speed can go a long way as a WR.

Northcoast - No one ever said he is fearful of injury during games to the extent at which would render him ineffective. He may be fearful of injury while trying to score a mega contract though. And that is completely understandable. I'd be willing to bet that if he finally accepts the tag and plays on it, that worry wont show up during games. But until that time comes? Not considering the possibility of injury during training camp and preseason would be irresponsible for someone trying to maximize their career earning potential.


D--no one disagrees with your logic except for the fact that the Steelers have a way of doing business and Wallace is just next carbon unit in line to experience that. They aren't going to change their offer because he is gone. So he accomplishes nothing except being futher behind other WR in the new offense. He has to show up sooner or later on the Steelers terms so the possibility of injury is always there.

steelblood
07-11-2012, 02:38 PM
Wallace certainly isn't top 3. Top 10 is more like it, but besides speed he doesn't stand out in any way. Lucky for him, speed can go a long way as a WR.

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If Wallace had average NFL speed, he likely wouldn't make a roster. He often makes poor adjustments and does not fight enough for 50/50 balls. He is not particularly elusive (though he has had some good RAC plays). His hands and route running are best described as sometimes good, usually adequate, but not a strength.

As soon as Wallace's speed starts to slip, his value will plummet. Signing a duck-footed receiver with thin legs who relies on speed to a long term contract is a big risk. I'm not saying we shouldn't do it. His speed is phenomenal and his overall game has improved. Still, I'm conflicted.

D Rock
07-11-2012, 03:26 PM
I'd give him a 5 or 6 year deal and lock him up for the 'fast years'. He will be 26 within a month - a 6 year deal takes him to 32 and there's a good chance that will just about be close to the end of his career. By the end of the deal whatever price he is being paid now will most likely be a fairly average salary and if his speed has begun to slip we can hope he fine tuned the rest of his game enough to play out the contract. As a young receiver it seems the risk would be minimized for a long term contract at this point. I'm not optimistic that Wallace will be much use 7 or 8 years from now though. When WRs and RBs lose it they fall off the face of the earth.

You raise a lot of really good points there steelblood. It may also show why the Wallace camp wants big money now...they may never get a chance at another big contract.

Oviedo
07-11-2012, 04:13 PM
I'd give him a 5 or 6 year deal and lock him up for the 'fast years'. He will be 26 within a month - a 6 year deal takes him to 32 and there's a good chance that will just about be close to the end of his career. By the end of the deal whatever price he is being paid now will most likely be a fairly average salary and if his speed has begun to slip we can hope he fine tuned the rest of his game enough to play out the contract. As a young receiver it seems the risk would be minimized for a long term contract at this point. I'm not optimistic that Wallace will be much use 7 or 8 years from now though. When WRs and RBs lose it they fall off the face of the earth.

You raise a lot of really good points there steelblood. It may also show why the Wallace camp wants big money now...they may never get a chance at another big contract.

The length of the deal isn't the issue because it is about the guaranteed money and how much of a dead money hit you want to risk. If you look at Wallace, he is worth an average of $7M per year without really screwing up the cap and risking losing other key offensive players. I would say 7 years/$49M with about $20M guaranteed. That is fair for a WR who is one leg injury away from being the #3 WR on the team.

I have always said once he demands over $8M per year time to ship him out of town and let someone else make the bad deal.

ikestops85
07-11-2012, 05:36 PM
The length of the deal isn't the issue because it is about the guaranteed money and how much of a dead money hit you want to risk. If you look at Wallace, he is worth an average of $7M per year without really screwing up the cap and risking losing other key offensive players. I would say 7 years/$49M with about $20M guaranteed. That is fair for a WR who is one leg injury away from being the #3 WR on the team.

I have always said once he demands over $8M per year time to ship him out of town and let someone else make the bad deal.

There is no question in my mind that he is asking for more than $8M per year. If you look at what comparable receivers (the Jackson boys) signed for this year you will see Wallace has to be expection in the $9M - $10M per year range for 5 years. I don't want to pay him that much but that is probably what Fair Market Value is for him right now.

If Brown continues the way he left off last year he is probably also looking at that type of money. I would love for each of them to take $1M per year off of their demands and stay in the burg but I've always been a dreamer. :wink:

Sugar
07-11-2012, 06:11 PM
Wow, glad to see that there are so many opinions on Coach Mike Tomlin and his worth as one of the best in the NFL! ;)

D Rock
07-11-2012, 06:40 PM
Wow, glad to see that there are so many opinions on Coach Mike Tomlin and his worth as one of the best in the NFL! ;)


hahaha sorry about that...looks like we "Crash"ed the party and changed the topic on this one a bit, huh? I'll start a new thread the next time.

Eddie Spaghetti
07-11-2012, 07:05 PM
actually crash never participated in this thread.

the one with the anti wallace agenda derailed it like so many others.

between wallace, lebeau, and terrible guard play, no thread is safe.

squidkid
07-11-2012, 08:02 PM
i dont care one way or the other if tomlin stays or goes. nobody thought noll could be replaced, nobody thought cowher could be replaced, tomlin too can be replaced. as long as his paycheck doesnt come out of the cap, the rooneys can pay him whatever. i just hope if they do overpay him and then he drags this team down they dont keep him soley based on his comtract

Sugar
07-11-2012, 09:19 PM
i dont care one way or the other if tomlin stays or goes. nobody thought noll could be replaced, nobody thought cowher could be replaced, tomlin too can be replaced. as long as his paycheck doesnt come out of the cap, the rooneys can pay him whatever. i just hope if they do overpay him and then he drags this team down they dont keep him soley based on his comtract

Sure, anyone CAN be replaced. The question would be if it's a wise idea. They could make him the highest paid coach in NFL history and it wouldn't be too much in my mind (not that they should or shouldn't). He's got a great track record and has shown himself to be as good a representative for the Steelers as they could ever find.

RuthlessBurgher
07-11-2012, 11:36 PM
i dont care one way or the other if tomlin stays or goes. nobody thought noll could be replaced, nobody thought cowher could be replaced, tomlin too can be replaced. as long as his paycheck doesnt come out of the cap, the rooneys can pay him whatever. i just hope if they do overpay him and then he drags this team down they dont keep him soley based on his comtract


I'm sure a guy who has coached his team to the Super Bowl twice in five seasons is going to "drag this team down." :confused:

ikestops85
07-12-2012, 10:28 AM
i dont care one way or the other if tomlin stays or goes. nobody thought noll could be replaced, nobody thought cowher could be replaced, tomlin too can be replaced. as long as his paycheck doesnt come out of the cap, the rooneys can pay him whatever. i just hope if they do overpay him and then he drags this team down they dont keep him soley based on his comtract

Well I care ... why get rid of a guy who has done a great job? The man has maintained the Steeler winning way that started with Noll and continued through Cowher. It would be ridiculous to not re-up him. The best part about Tomlin is he is young and only going to get better.

NorthCoast
07-12-2012, 10:37 AM
My only beef with Tomlin has been his decision-making in critical situations has been questionable at times. I get the sense it might even be a case of over-analysis, or maybe plain gut-instincts.

Oviedo
07-12-2012, 10:44 AM
My only beef with Tomlin has been his decision-making in critical situations has been questionable at times. I get the sense it might even be a case of over-analysis, or maybe plain gut-instincts.

I do think that Tomlin sometimes plays a hunch but IMO he is still a Top 5 coach. I am confident the Steelers will make him avery fair offer and he will be smart enough to realize that being part of the organization and the work environment is more important that where you are on a list of salaries. Some folks miss that.

NorthCoast
07-12-2012, 11:49 AM
Anyone that works in management knows that for the average worker money comes in 3rd place in regards to motivation in a job.

Oviedo
07-12-2012, 12:59 PM
Anyone that works in management knows that for the average worker money comes in 3rd place in regards to motivation in a job.


Not sure that aplies to NFL WRs. Many seem to be totally fixated where they are on a list compared to their peers.

D Rock
07-12-2012, 01:06 PM
Not sure that aplies to NFL WRs. Many seem to be totally fixated where they are on a list compared to their peers.

Perhaps a new thread is needed. It has already been established that we hijacked this one and then it had transitioned nicely back to Tomlin. No need to swing the other way again.

Flasteel
07-12-2012, 01:33 PM
Not sure that aplies to NFL WRs. Many seem to be totally fixated where they are on a list compared to their peers.

That's not money as much as it is run-away ego.

NorthCoast
07-12-2012, 03:41 PM
That's not money as much as it is run-away ego.

I agree.

Maybe their thought process is if they can't be No. 1 on stats, they may as well shoot for No. 1 on the money list...