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hawaiiansteel
06-15-2012, 01:54 AM
There’s no counting out Steelers lineman Foster

By Mark Kaboly
Published: Friday, June 15, 2012

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Rookie first-round pick David DeCastro has all but been anointed the Steelers’ starting right guard of not only the future but also the present.

Forgive Ramon Foster while he yawns.

If there is one thing Foster has grown accustomed to, it’s that he’s constantly being overlooked. But he has consistently proven the organization wrong.

“At this point, it is my nature to not let it bother me,” Foster said. “If something good happens for me, and I earn something, that’s OK with me. If a certain situation arises for me that is against me, I am going to fight for it. It’s my mentality.”

Foster was an undrafted rookie free agent who had little to no chance to make the team three years ago. He not only made the team, but he also played in 14 games, starting the final three.

The following year, Foster was in a training camp battle for a roster spot with third-round pick Kraig Urbik. Foster won and started the final 11 games, including Super Bowl XLV.

Still, there was plenty of doubt.

Foster found himself on the outside looking in during training camp last year while Doug Legursky, Chris Scott, Tony Hills and Trai Essex got shots to nail down a starting guard spot before him. Legursky was awarded the job before Foster was given a shot.

“You just have to keep fighting, and that’s what I did,” Foster said.

Foster replaced an injured Legursky during Week 3 and started the final 14 games at right guard, including the wild-card playoff loss to Denver.

Now, despite DeCastro being billed as the next great lineman in Steelers’ history, Foster ran with the first team at right guard throughout minicamp, not DeCastro.

“He has been fighting ever since he stepped foot in this locker room,” veteran lineman Willie Colon said. “I won’t count him out of being a starter at all. I think you would have to be a fool to count Ramon out of anything.”

But Foster knows the reality of the situation.

The Steelers didn’t use their first-round pick so a player can sit behind an undrafted player. Foster knows DeCastro will get the first crack of winning the starting right guard spot during training camp, but the 6-foot-6, 325-pounder has been through that before.

“I am just worried about what I do,” Foster said. “If I worried about what they are doing, then I mess myself up.”

Foster has 28 career starts, 23 at right guard over the past 26 games.

According to Pro Football Focus, Foster allowed three sacks, 16 hurries and one quarterback hit, making him the team’s second-most consistent offensive lineman behind Colon, who played only one game before being lost for the year with an injury.

“Ramon works extremely hard and is a real humble guy,” Colon said. “I have a lot of respect for him.”

The Steelers showed some loyalty to Foster when they offered him a restricted free agent tender of $1.26 million during the offseason. After getting some outside interest, Foster signed with the Steelers. He will become an unrestricted free agent next year.

“They definitely have some confidence in me,” Foster said. “It is one of those things when you get a first-rounder … we will see how it plays out, but I am not giving up, no way. It would have to be something catastrophic for me to just bow down and let him have it.”

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/1991982-85/foster-guard-steelers-decastro-ramon-david-legursky-lineman-pick-round

Oviedo
06-15-2012, 07:44 AM
Obviously the front office doesn't share Kaboly's opinion because it took them about a millisecond to select DeCastro and all but name him the starting RG for the next decade. Foster will be good in the role he should have as game day back up for both Guard positions.

steelblood
06-15-2012, 07:59 AM
I'm counting out Ramon Foster

steelz09
06-15-2012, 09:01 AM
I'm counting out Ramon Foster

Foster had his chance to solidify himself has a starter over the past couple of years and he hasn't. I just don't seem him beating out DeCastro so I would disagree w/ this article completely.

Let's just hope:

1) DeCastro stays healthy
2) DeCastro doesn't struggle w/ the mental side of the game which I could HIGHLY doubt considering he went to Stanford.
3) DeCastro has the strength to hold up against these NFL-type d-lineman.

D Rock
06-15-2012, 10:39 AM
Foster seems a lot like Max Starks...

He always makes his way in to the starting lineup, and the coach/FO always look for ways to get him out of it the next year even though both players seem pretty solid.

8467thekraken
06-15-2012, 10:43 AM
Everyone just relax.

Foster will be starting at LG.

Just as soon as good ol' Willie boy has himself his 3rd and final strike.
Don't get me wrong. I have nothin' against Colon. But if it looks like milk and tastes like milk, I'll betchya if you smell it, it will smell like milk.

I just don't understand the love affair with Colon.

He has been abscent all but one game in the past 2 years. Both years the team went 12-4. Foster has ONLY started 2/3 of those games. And he did it while the steelers were playing musical chairs. I mean, according to some statistics, he was our most consistent lineman last year.

And many Steeler fans don't have his back.
He may be one of the most underrated players on the team.

This guy has improved every year since he has arrived at Pittsburgh.

I just don't get why there are fans out there that want a 29 year old, "injury prone", 2-year absentee who is getting ready to play a new position while coming off of major surgery.

Or Foster.

I don't have nothing against Colon. And if he beats Foster out for the starting LG spot, I will back him 100%.

I just don't understand why he doesn't have a lot of fans.

'cause to me, he embodies everything Steelers fans like to get behind. You know- Undrafted college free agent. Stacked odds to make the team; not to mention play, or even start. Good character guy. Lunch pail work ethic.

I'm fine with being the only one who not only wants him to win the LG spot, but to keep it for the next 8 years. He, to me , can be(and should be) the final piece to this O-line youth movement. At 26, he would be the oldest on the line.
Not to mention the fact that the budget won't support a BIG$$$ O-line. There is great value in a player like Foster as well.

He makes sense from many angles.


...but then there is that whole he's-Bens-best-buddy thing...


And my Foster At LG Campaign begins.

Steel Life
06-15-2012, 11:42 AM
Starting or not, the team needs guys like Foster, like Essex who can step in & play any position when needed - especially considering how this line seems to get nicked...a lot. Foster is a scrapper & gives everything he's got & sometimes (especially with O-Linemen) that trumps pedigree, let's see what happens. What I don't see is the continued over-valued Jon Scott sticking around...

Oviedo
06-15-2012, 11:47 AM
Everyone just relax.

Foster will be starting at LG.

Just as soon as good ol' Willie boy has himself his 3rd and final strike.
Don't get me wrong. I have nothin' against Colon. But if it looks like milk and tastes like milk, I'll betchya if you smell it, it will smell like milk.

I just don't understand the love affair with Colon.

He has been abscent all but one game in the past 2 years. Both years the team went 12-4. Foster has ONLY started 2/3 of those games. And he did it while the steelers were playing musical chairs. I mean, according to some statistics, he was our most consistent lineman last year.

And many Steeler fans don't have his back.
He may be one of the most underrated players on the team.

This guy has improved every year since he has arrived at Pittsburgh.

I just don't get why there are fans out there that want a 29 year old, "injury prone", 2-year absentee who is getting ready to play a new position while coming off of major surgery.

Or Foster.

I don't have nothing against Colon. And if he beats Foster out for the starting LG spot, I will back him 100%.

I just don't understand why he doesn't have a lot of fans.

'cause to me, he embodies everything Steelers fans like to get behind. You know- Undrafted college free agent. Stacked odds to make the team; not to mention play, or even start. Good character guy. Lunch pail work ethic.

I'm fine with being the only one who not only wants him to win the LG spot, but to keep it for the next 8 years. He, to me , can be(and should be) the final piece to this O-line youth movement. At 26, he would be the oldest on the line.
Not to mention the fact that the budget won't support a BIG$$$ O-line. There is great value in a player like Foster as well.

He makes sense from many angles.


...but then there is that whole he's-Bens-best-buddy thing...


And my Foster At LG Campaign begins.

The reason many don't have Foster's back is because we have seen all too often Foster getting zero push in short yardage situations and not being able to control the man opposite him. He is part of why we have been so bad in short yardage. He is an asset as a back up but if he was a front line OG the team wouldn't had been so quick and ready to put DeCastro in.

How many other OLs in the NFL do you think Foster is a starter on? They aren't good ones.

8467thekraken
06-15-2012, 11:55 AM
Kemoeatu is the man on the plank here. Not Foster. The Steelers didn't draft DDC to replace Foster.

Crash
06-15-2012, 11:57 AM
I'm not counting out Ramon Foster either. Never count out any Steeler if you truly love this team and it's players.

You go Ramon!

flippy
06-15-2012, 12:12 PM
I'm not counting out Ramon Foster either. Never count out any Steeler if you truly love this team and it's players.

You go Ramon!

Sounds like you might be finally on board with our new FB. :P

birtikidis
06-15-2012, 12:24 PM
I like foster. And I dont understand putting decastro at rg. Our right side could be completely intact for next year with 1-2 new starters(I'd like Starks to be starting lt). Makes a lot more sense to me.

birtikidis
06-15-2012, 12:26 PM
Kemoeatu is the man on the plank here. Not Foster. The Steelers didn't draft DDC to replace Foster.
Last I checked kemo was gone. Or was that a pleasant dream?

Crash
06-15-2012, 12:26 PM
DD played RG in college. They are making the transition to the NFL easier for him this season.

Oviedo
06-15-2012, 12:37 PM
Beachum will be moving ahead of Foster on the org chart starting next year. Foster is on a one year contract and he will be allowed to leave next year. He will not get a big money contract to stay. We'll see how good the rest of the NFL thinks he is.

flippy
06-15-2012, 01:00 PM
Don't count Legursky out in his competition with Pouncey either.

Oviedo
06-15-2012, 01:13 PM
Don't count Legursky out in his competition with Pouncey either.

I'm sure that was tongue in cheek. Legursky has as much chance taking over for Pouncey as I do which is 0%.

birtikidis
06-15-2012, 01:41 PM
DD played RG in college. They are making the transition to the NFL easier for him this season.
Colon has played in one game in two years. He's never played guard in his career. How much worse could decastro be?

Crash
06-15-2012, 02:39 PM
Colon has played in one game in two years. He's never played guard in his career. How much worse could decastro be?

Moving Colon is one move. Why move DD to LG? Why move Gilbert to LT? Why move Adams to RT?

That would end up being four guys who have never played together also playing 4 different positions in the span of one year.

No thanks.

Snatch98
06-15-2012, 02:46 PM
Last I checked kemo was gone. Or was that a pleasant dream?

Long gone.

flippy
06-15-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm sure that was tongue in cheek. Legursky has as much chance taking over for Pouncey as I do which is 0%.

I was thinking it's basically the same premise as this article. Silly.

Eddie Spaghetti
06-15-2012, 03:03 PM
ramon foster has always been vilified from the "experts" on here for one reason or another. One, in particular, because he beat out his pet draft pick kraig urbik from the 1st day of training camp that year.

the reality is that foster is a solid member of the OL and always gives great effort. Plays above his pay grade and allows valuable dollars to be spent elsewhere. Some people seem to expect 1st rounders at every position, I suppose. He has also been much more consistent than legursky who seems to get much love here for reasons I have yet to see.

happy to have been a supporter of foster since day 1. Do your thing kid.

Oviedo
06-15-2012, 03:31 PM
ramon foster has always been vilified from the "experts" on here for one reason or another. One, in particular, because he beat out his pet draft pick kraig urbik from the 1st day of training camp that year.

the reality is that foster is a solid member of the OL and always gives great effort. Plays above his pay grade and allows valuable dollars to be spent elsewhere. Some people seem to expect 1st rounders at every position, I suppose. He has also been much more consistent than legursky who seems to get much love here for reasons I have yet to see.

happy to have been a supporter of foster since day 1. Do your thing kid.

Well...now we do have a 1st Rounder at his position. Obviously the Front Office thought that was necessary. Wouldn't you agree? But don't bother because it will just turn into another rant about the "man love" you have for UDFAs and a distain of anyone who doesn't share your affection.

Eddie Spaghetti
06-15-2012, 03:59 PM
use flawed logic much?

of course DD was the obvious pick as many had him as a top 10 player regardless of position.

I don't have man love for UDFAs, but I do watch the games and can tell when a guy is performing above his draft stock as well as performing consistently well. Obviously the guys at pro football focus agree as they rated him 2nd best on the steelers OL behind a guy who only played 1 game. That pretty much means he was the most consistent player on the OL, if you didn't grasp it, or your disdain for this kid clouds your reading comprehension ability.

care to address that?

RuthlessBurgher
06-16-2012, 10:31 AM
I dont understand putting decastro at rg.

The simplistic Arians running game only ever called for the LG to pull to his right.

The more-well-rounded Haley will allow for the RG to pull to his left as well (imagine that!), so we won't be a predictable, one-dimensional rushing offense anymore.

Foster was adequate, but he does not have the athleticism to be an effective pulling guard.

Guys like Foster and Legursky and Essex have value as versatile backups (particularly when our OL seems to get hurt more than most), but as starters, none of them are anymore more than average (if that).

Slapstick
06-16-2012, 12:36 PM
Foster started 23 out of 26 games...the Steelers won a lot of those...

While DeCastro has more talent, Foster has a lot of value for this team...

RuthlessBurgher
06-16-2012, 01:47 PM
Foster started 23 out of 26 games...the Steelers won a lot of those...

While DeCastro has more talent, Foster has a lot of value for this team...

A few seasons ago, our starting interior line consisted of Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, and Darnell Stapleton...we won a lot of games with those guys, including Super Bowl XLIII. Those guys had so little value, though, that no other team has signed any of them since we let them go.

Crash
06-16-2012, 01:51 PM
Um, Stapleton and Hartwig are retired. Someone will sign Kemo at some point.

RuthlessBurgher
06-16-2012, 02:15 PM
Um, Stapleton and Hartwig are retired. Someone will sign Kemo at some point.

When we cut ties with Stapleton, he was only 24 years old (same age as Marcus Gilbert and rookie Chris Rainey are now).

When we cut ties with Hartwig, he was only 31 years old (same age as Troy Polamalu is now).

They were each on our roster for one more season after starting in SBXLIII before we sent them packing, and neither signed anywhere again after that.

When we cut ties with Kemoeatu he was only 29 years old (same age as Willie Colon and Heath Miller are now).

Training camps open at the end of next month, and he's still without a team. If he was in high demand, someone would have brought him in prior to OTA's and minicamps. His only shot of getting invited to a camp at this point would be if a team had a rash of injuries at guard.

Slapstick
06-16-2012, 02:20 PM
Staple was injured...I think that he would have been on the team for a few more years had that not happened...

Hartwig was washed up...

We'll see about Kemo, but his knee condition makes his signing iffy...

Oviedo
06-16-2012, 02:20 PM
When we cut ties with Stapleton, he was only 24 years old (same age as Marcus Gilbert and rookie Chris Rainey are now).

When we cut ties with Hartwig, he was only 31 years old (same age as Troy Polamalu is now).

They were each on our roster for one more season after starting in SBXLIII before we sent them packing, and neither signed anywhere again after that.

When we cut ties with Kemoeatu he was only 29 years old (same age as Willie Colon and Heath Miller are now).

Training camps open at the end of next month, and he's still without a team. If he was in high demand, someone would have brought him in prior to OTA's and minicamps. His only shot of getting invited to a camp at this point would be if a team had a rash of injuries at guard.

As you said no one wants them. Stapleton and Hartings were let go because they were nothing more than mediocre and really started the mediocre interior line play that troubled us for the past several years. They were cut and the rest of the NFL wasn't interested that is why they retired. Kemo never developed into what he was capable of and had to be cut.

Hopefully with DeCastro and Colon at Guard teaming with Pouncey we can once again see dominant interior line play similar to when we had Faneca, Hartings and Simmons (pre-diabetes). We have had mediocre players in there for way to many years to the point we actually thought they were OK.

pfelix73
06-16-2012, 10:30 PM
Again, the diabetes had nothing to do with Simmons fall off as a OG.. Just get that out of your minds regarding the disease.... It was purely coincidental, not to mention he had other injuries as well.. Again, we'll see what transpires in training camp.. I would be willing to bet this OL will be reshuffled again at some point...

Shoe
06-16-2012, 11:01 PM
I just don't understand the love affair with Colon.

Agreed.
Colon tends to irritate me nowadays more than anything else. Even his remarks of support for Foster feel a bit patronizing to me... (why is he entitled to a starting position and not Foster?)

I agree with someone else who compared Foster to Starks in appreciation. It's a legit comparison. I've been a quiet fan of Foster since he won the job in competition with Urbik. But that being said, DeCastro will be playing. Soon.

hawaiiansteel
06-18-2012, 10:34 PM
Sean Kugler Talks Offensive Line Post Minicamp

Monday, June 18th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line coach Sean Kugler joined 93.7 The Fan Monday morning to talk about the offensive line as the team heads next towards training camp after finishing up mini-camp last week. Below are some of the better talking points from the interview if you do not have the time to listen to it.

Re: The intelligence of David DeCastro coming into the NFL?

Kugler: Well he is an extremely intelligent kid. He just graduated yesterday in four years from Stanford with management in science engineering degree, which is really amazing in itself. And you can tell just even being in here for the mini-camp, rarely made mistakes, was on point in the meetings and those types things, so I think the learning aspect for him is going to come pretty easily, of course there's always the physical aspect, which is a shock for any player coming out of college.

Re: The toughest position on the offensive line from college to pros?

Kugler: Probably the two toughest would be left tackle, just because of the athletes you'll be facing as pass rushers, but mentally it has to be center and Maurkice made that transition two years ago, and just because of the fact that they have to set all of the line blocking schemes, make all of the calls and the defensive identification. So I would say center is the hardest probably mentally and physically would be left tackle.

Re: Health of Maurkice Pouncey this year?

Kugler: Well Maurkice is the one that attacked that. This off-season, and I told him the other day before we left camp, was his best off-season since he's been here. He looks outstanding. He's moving around great. He's healthy. I can't wait to watch Maurkice Pouncey play this year, because I know he's healthy and I know what he is capable of when he is healthy and he's excited as well. So he did have two major injuries, he's had surgery to correct it. I think last year really hurt him because he wasn't around to be able to rehab with our doctors and training staff, and it's different when you do it on your own. And this year he was, he was here every day and I'm excited for Maurkice Pouncey.

Re: Mike Adams, his good feet and who he is?

Kugler: Yeah, Mike does have really good feet and he moves well. Again it's going to be Mike transitioning to the physical aspect of the NFL. Personally I can't make an evaluation on him until I see him against a James Harrison or a LaMarr Woodley, because those are the top guys that he's going to be going against, and if he can block those cats, he'll have a good chance. So we'll get a quick evaluation on Mike Adams from probably day one to the second we put on pads, but he did an outstanding job as well with the mental aspect, communicating long distance and he came in and you can tell he put the time and effort in to learn the offense.

Re: How quickly he wants the starting five set on the line.

Kugler: As soon as they're ready. Those guys are going to have to earn their jobs and I have all the respect in the world for the Ramon Fosters and the Doug Legurskys and those type guys. I know those guys aren't going to willingly give up their job. It's not in their make-up and all that makes for is better competition. So whoever the starting five are that are out there, of course you want to do that as early as possible and get those guys gelling together and ideally have them play through the entire season. Is that a reality? Maybe not, but that's something that we're striving to do.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/sean_kugler_talks_offensive_line_post_minicamp/11038202

hawaiiansteel
08-07-2012, 08:03 PM
Guarding his position

August 7, 2012
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


No one on the Steelers this side of Max Starks has won and lost starting jobs more often than Ramon Foster.

He started four games because of injuries as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He won the starting job at right guard in the middle of the '10 season. He lost it to Doug Legursky to open last season. He got it back in the middle of last season.

And coming into this one, there were many assumptions that Foster again would lose his starting job at right guard because of the hulking presence of first-round draft choice David DeCastro, who played right guard at Stanford.

Thursday night, when the Steelers open the preseason, it's probable that, indeed, the rookie will start at right guard because Foster had to shift to left guard when Willie Colon's ankle was injured Friday night. If Colon cannot go, that's the way they will line up.

But one thing is certain, DeCastro has not won the job at right guard over Foster, and Foster has been determined to keep it that way.

"You don't want to just passively give away your starting role," Foster said. "This is a world championship team, you want to be a guy starting on that team. We're both going to get better no matter who wins the job. We'll just handle that at the end of camp.

"Is there a sense of urgency? Definitely. I think it's there for Dave, too."

DeCastro has struggled through the first 10 days of his first pro training camp, and Foster has done nothing but improve. They are worlds apart in their resumes, Foster having played tackle at Tennessee and gone undrafted. Nevertheless, Foster also has turned mentor to the guy who wants his job.

"We have good conversations," Foster said. "If there's a coaching point I can give him, I'll definitely give it to him. If he starts, I want him to know as much if not more than I do."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/mundy-expands-his-safety-net-role-647933/#ixzz22tsW4p5R

hawaiiansteel
08-14-2012, 07:03 PM
MarkKaboly_Trib via twitter:

OL Ramon Foster will make his first professional start at RT Sunday against the Colts. Last started game at tackle as Sr at Tenn.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/

NorthCoast
08-14-2012, 07:50 PM
Agreed.
Colon tends to irritate me nowadays more than anything else. Even his remarks of support for Foster feel a bit patronizing to me... (why is he entitled to a starting position and not Foster?)

I agree with someone else who compared Foster to Starks in appreciation. It's a legit comparison. I've been a quiet fan of Foster since he won the job in competition with Urbik. But that being said, DeCastro will be playing. Soon.

You are in the minority. When Colon was a starting right tackle, multiple websites and scouts had him ranked in the top 5-10 in the league.

Eddie Spaghetti
08-14-2012, 07:56 PM
pretty impressive that foster is willing to mentor the guy who will take his spot. You see that from a lot of older players, but foster is pretty young to take that approach.

have been pulling for this kid since day 1, seems like a great guy to have on the 53.

Slapstick
08-14-2012, 08:28 PM
pretty impressive that foster is willing to mentor the guy who will take his spot. You see that from a lot of older players, but foster is pretty young to take that approach.

have been pulling for this kid since day 1, seems like a great guy to have on the 53.

If he can play well enough at tackle, he'll be on the 53, possibly for a few years...

Oviedo
08-15-2012, 07:57 AM
If he can play well enough at tackle, he'll be on the 53, possibly for a few years...

It is what Foster is good for...a back-up with the flexibility to play multiple positions and spot start on occasion. As long as he stays in that roole he is valuable to the team. It is when he has to play every game that we have a problem.