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hawaiiansteel
06-05-2012, 02:21 AM
Jason Worilds Faces Make-or-break Season Of Sorts

Thursday, May 31st, 2012
By Cian Fahey


Earlier this off-season, there was some talk on this site about Jason Worilds possibly moving from outside linebacker into the middle of the field. Nothing appears to have developed further on that end, although it is still ridiculously early to even contemplate what the Steelers will do for the beginning of this football year.

I was never on board with Worilds as an inside backer but I do believe the pressure should be cranked up on the youngster this year. The former Virginia Tech defensive end is entering his third season with the Steelers. He has notched five sacks and seven starts so far.

With James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley ahead of him, Worilds doesn't get many opportunities to prove his value on the field, but injuries did give us an insight into his development last year. Impressing a crowd that is used to the standards set by Woodley and Harrison is not easy and Worilds didn't do himself that many favors last year.

Worilds had three sacks for the season. Each sack came in a game that the Steelers comfortably won against the Kansas City Chiefs and Cleveland Browns. Two of his sacks were coverage sacks while the other was a hail mary play when Colt McCoy's happy feet caused the sack as much as Worilds' pass rushing ability did.

Those instances do speak to his motor and determination to make plays on the field, but one must wonder why he didn't make a greater impact for the Steelers. That is not to say that he was a bad player, Worilds was good against the run and adequate when asked to drop into coverage.

He fit in well with the defense on the whole.

However, he was drafted in the second round because of his ability to impact football games. Worilds came out of college with 15 career sacks and 34 tackles for loss. On the field at the professional level however, Worilds was often swallowed up by offensive tackles.

It is obvious that he needs to develop better pass rushing skills and possibly add some bulk to properly compete in the trenches. Those are aspects of the game that can be learned from the Steelers' coaching staff.

Personally, I'm not too worried about Worilds ability to develop as a pass rusher. He showed during last season that he has worked enough to fit comfortably into the Steelers' scheme. That is something that a guy like Bruce Davis never did in the past before he was released.

What does worry me about Worilds is his always lengthening injury list.

Last year he missed time for the Steelers before getting into the starting lineup, while he also entered camp this year with a possible broken thumb. Nothing is guaranteed for Worilds, he has to be healthy to prove himself as Harrison's successor.

This year is going to be key for him. In an ideal world, Worilds will force his way onto the field and make an impact as a situational pass rusher in specific packages while Harrison continues to play to an all-pro level.

Worilds needs to show that he can play that kind of Aldon Smith/Antwan Barnes role. He doesn't need to dominate to the same degree that those guys do but he does have to show more flashes. It would be difficult for the Steelers to go back to a Clark Haggans after playing with Harrison and Woodley for so long.

If Worilds is more of a Haggans than Woodley or Harrison, then the Steelers may be thinking linebacker early again in the draft next year.

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flippy
06-05-2012, 08:02 AM
I like his quickness and would like to see more of him as a pass rush specialist on 3rd downs to keep Harrison/Woodley fresh. I have a feeling if he keeps working at it, he could become a good LB for us and it will just click this year or next for him.

D Rock
06-05-2012, 08:15 AM
I get the feeling Worilds has reached his ceiling. He will be a good backup and a decent fill-in starter when needed, but he wont be remembered as one of the greats that the Steelers have had.

I'd like to see more of Chris Carter....news about him has been incredibly quiet lately.

Shawn
06-05-2012, 09:10 AM
I'm with D Rock. I have never been impressed. With Woodley, you could see the flashes right off the bat. Same with Harrison. As many times as Harrison got cut (for basically being stubborn and not too bright) he showed significant physical skills. Worilds looks quick to me, but weak at the POA. Once a tackle gets his hands on him, the play is over. I was hoping some time in the weight room would help that. He did seem a touch more physical last season...but not by much.


I agree that this is a make it or break it season for Worilds. He needs to show the Steelers something, or we need to draft an OLB early.

Oviedo
06-05-2012, 09:41 AM
I'm with D Rock. I have never been impressed. With Woodley, you could see the flashes right off the bat. Same with Harrison. As many times as Harrison got cut (for basically being stubborn and not too bright) he showed significant physical skills. Worilds looks quick to me, but weak at the POA. Once a tackle gets his hands on him, the play is over. I was hoping some time in the weight room would help that. He did seem a touch more physical last season...but not by much.

I agree that this is a make it or break it season for Worilds. He needs to show the Steelers something, or we need to draft an OLB early.


Remember it took 5 or 6 years and getting cut by multiple teams to see Harrison's "flashes." the bottomline is that Worilds' biggest detriment is that he was drafted instead of a Penn State LBer so he will never be forgiven for that.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-05-2012, 09:43 AM
Worilds growth has to be in the weight room and in the classroom. He has found out the hard way that athletic ability is tabled at this level. If he doesn't dedicate himself to seperate himself physically and become a technician on the field...All that athleticism will do him no good and he will find himself searching for a job. He is at that fork in the road where a young player must decide if he is willing to put in the time to become special or think relying on his God given gifts is enough to get him by. We will all know his answer after the 2012 season.

Oviedo
06-05-2012, 09:44 AM
Worilds growth has to be in the weight room and in the classroom. He has found out the hard way that athletic ability is tabled at this level. If he doesn't dedicate himself to seperate himself physically and become a technician on the field...All that athleticism will do him no good and he will find himself searching for a job. He is at that fork in the road where a young player must decide if he is willing to put in the time to become special or think relying on his God given gifts is enough to get him by. We will all know his answer after the 2012 season.

Do we know he hasn't put in the time or worked hard enough?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-05-2012, 10:00 AM
Do we know he hasn't put in the time or worked hard enough?

What would you say after his starts in 2011? I haven't seen any noticeable "physical" growth. I saw him engulfed by OTs and unable to push TEs back on the edge when they run at him. I also see him play slower than he should and that is the "paralysis by analysis" you hear all the time. So physically...my opinion is no. Mentally...The jury is still out. We have no way of knowing what he does in practice or in the classroom. However, no matter what the answer is to that question...If it doesn't show up on the field gameday....It doesn't matter how much time he puts in. If he doesn't get it...He won't be here long. To my comment above...If it doesn't show it on the field this year...The Steelers may not view him as Harrison's replacement. Do I think he could? Absolutely...If he doesn't, it will be a waste of God given abilities but that story is written all the time in the NFL.

grotonsteel
06-05-2012, 11:02 AM
Well he has a fractured thumb. Not sure how he broke his thumb but he aint playing unless he is physically fit.

I am not sure how many snaps he is going to get if Woodley and Harrison are healthy. I hope he shows flashes on ST else back to draftroom for OLB.

phillyesq
06-05-2012, 11:51 AM
What would you say after his starts in 2011? I haven't seen any noticeable "physical" growth. I saw him engulfed by OTs and unable to push TEs back on the edge when they run at him. I also see him play slower than he should and that is the "paralysis by analysis" you hear all the time. So physically...my opinion is no. Mentally...The jury is still out. We have no way of knowing what he does in practice or in the classroom. However, no matter what the answer is to that question...If it doesn't show up on the field gameday....It doesn't matter how much time he puts in. If he doesn't get it...He won't be here long. To my comment above...If it doesn't show it on the field this year...The Steelers may not view him as Harrison's replacement. Do I think he could? Absolutely...If he doesn't, it will be a waste of God given abilities but that story is written all the time in the NFL.

I thought he looked noticeably bigger last year.

Worilds has a way to go, but in limited snaps, he was third on the team in QB pressures with 20, according to one source that I saw. He needs to get better at finishing those plays. At a minimum, I think Worilds can be a serviceable OLB. I would like to see him take a step this year to show that he can become more than serviceable.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-05-2012, 12:04 PM
I thought he looked noticeably bigger last year.

Worilds has a way to go, but in limited snaps, he was third on the team in QB pressures with 20, according to one source that I saw. He needs to get better at finishing those plays. At a minimum, I think Worilds can be a serviceable OLB. I would like to see him take a step this year to show that he can become more than serviceable.

I have been disappointed with his playing strength. I see little difference in his muscle definition from his rookie year. I felt he should have made bigger strides and last year he got the opportunity to make a name. He didn't fail himself but I'm sure he feels he could have shown up better. Let's hope it created a "burn" and he worked that much harder this offseason.

RuthlessBurgher
06-05-2012, 01:20 PM
I'd like to see more of Chris Carter....news about him has been incredibly quiet lately.

My early bold prediction: Brandon Lindsey takes Chris Carter's roster spot.

Steelerphile
06-05-2012, 06:31 PM
The coaches were much more pleased with what Worilds did last season than many of the fans, here. You might suggest they would praise anyone on the team just to make them feel good, but I sense there is genuine high regard when LeBeau and Butler say they think Worilds played great last season. I'll be is disagreement with what I am hearing on here about Worilds also. I think he played well last season. Taking into consideration, as I have stated previously, the lack of OTAs etc. and that he is transitioning to more a stand-up role, he did a good job. Fans always seem to expect miracles of some sort, 13 sacks or something. It does concern me that he always has some nagging injury. Why would some see Carter as more impressive than Worilds? He has 3 tackles, no sacks. He hasn't done anything to show he is Worilds equal or would surpass him. Worilds had 38 tackles, 3 sacks, a number of pressures. I think he'll turn out to be good, maybe very good. This should be a year when he really sparkles.

NorthCoast
06-05-2012, 07:48 PM
Do we know he hasn't put in the time or worked hard enough?

I think the point is if he has put in the time, then the result isnt good enough to notice. I agree with others, not sold on the guy. Speed only gets you so much at that position.

It comes down to how our division is shaping up, Cleveland now with Trent Richardson, Baltimore with Rice. We need a strong ILB at the POA otherwise our safeties will be chasing RBs all over the field. If that is the case, I hope our CBs are up to the task of covering WRs running free.

RuthlessBurgher
06-06-2012, 10:09 AM
I think the point is if he has put in the time, then the result isnt good enough to notice. I agree with others, not sold on the guy. Speed only gets you so much at that position.

It comes down to how our division is shaping up, Cleveland now with Trent Richardson, Baltimore with Rice. We need a strong ILB at the POA otherwise our safeties will be chasing RBs all over the field. If that is the case, I hope our CBs are up to the task of covering WRs running free.

Speed only gets you so much at the position? Worilds is listed as being essentially the same size as Woodley (Worilds 6'2" 262 lbs., Woodley 6'2" 265 lbs.). It is Carter who is the speed guy lacking bulk at OLB (Carter is generously listed as 6'1" 248 lbs., but he didn't look like he was much more than the 220's last year).

Oviedo
06-06-2012, 10:48 AM
The coaches were much more pleased with what Worilds did last season than many of the fans, here. You might suggest they would praise anyone on the team just to make them feel good, but I sense there is genuine high regard when LeBeau and Butler say they think Worilds played great last season. I'll be is disagreement with what I am hearing on here about Worilds also. I think he played well last season. Taking into consideration, as I have stated previously, the lack of OTAs etc. and that he is transitioning to more a stand-up role, he did a good job. Fans always seem to expect miracles of some sort, 13 sacks or something. It does concern me that he always has some nagging injury. Why would some see Carter as more impressive than Worilds? He has 3 tackles, no sacks. He hasn't done anything to show he is Worilds equal or would surpass him. Worilds had 38 tackles, 3 sacks, a number of pressures. I think he'll turn out to be good, maybe very good. This should be a year when he really sparkles.

Imagine that. The people who see the most like him more than the people who see and know the least. Interesting???????

Like what was previously said he was third on the team in QB pressures but that means nothing because we hear the meaningless "not stout enough against the run" criticism which is typically levied against any LB who someone doesn't like. Here is a newsflash. Teams don't beat us with the run. The run means nothing in today's NFL and the "not stout enough" is just code for I have nothing empirical to back up that I don't like the guy so it just doesn't look right to me.

fezziwig
06-06-2012, 11:25 AM
I'm still waiting for Timmons to have his breakout year. I know last season they moved him from this spot to that spot but I.ve been so excitied about all the good things I've heard he is supposed to bring to the table, I just don't know if he will ever be or get to be the guy we thought he could be.
Worilds, I'm not sold on him yet but, he hasn't had enough playing time in my opinion for him to be evaluated by me yet. I realize he in the Steelers are nervous on what my opinion will be.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-06-2012, 11:48 AM
Speed only gets you so much at the position? Worilds is listed as being essentially the same size as Woodley (Worilds 6'2" 262 lbs., Woodley 6'2" 265 lbs.). It is Carter who is the speed guy lacking bulk at OLB (Carter is generously listed as 6'1" 248 lbs., but he didn't look like he was much more than the 220's last year).


You aren't going to mistaken Worilds for Woodley standing on the field or their physicality when they play. Worilds and Carter were equally athletic coming out of college based on their combines and prodays. The speed both of them have will be a great asset if they develop the rest of the abilities needed and they can add to their playing strength.

Oviedo
06-06-2012, 12:07 PM
I'm still waiting for Timmons to have his breakout year. I know last season they moved him from this spot to that spot but I.ve been so excitied about all the good things I've heard he is supposed to bring to the table, I just don't know if he will ever be or get to be the guy we thought he could be.
Worilds, I'm not sold on him yet but, he hasn't had enough playing time in my opinion for him to be evaluated by me yet. I realize he in the Steelers are nervous on what my opinion will be.

I think the organization felt he had his breakout when they signed him to a big extension.

I'm curious what equates to "breakout" for Timmons? He isn't going to get huge sack numbers because LeBeau has forgotten what the inside blitz is. He has been among the leaders in tackles already. He has played multiple positions. Can't fault Timmons because he is misused on our defense and doesn't get big stats.

steelz09
06-06-2012, 01:00 PM
He reminds me of a Timmons at OLB... especially a younger Timmons.


If he can't beat the OT around the edge based on quickness/speed, he's screwed.

Crash
06-06-2012, 01:00 PM
Timmons can't make big plays when he's 20 yards down field in coverage.

He was actually used BETTER, and in better position to make plays, as a RESERVE in 2008.

steelz09
06-06-2012, 01:11 PM
I think the point is if he has put in the time, then the result isnt good enough to notice. I agree with others, not sold on the guy. Speed only gets you so much at that position.

It comes down to how our division is shaping up, Cleveland now with Trent Richardson, Baltimore with Rice. We need a strong ILB at the POA otherwise our safeties will be chasing RBs all over the field. If that is the case, I hope our CBs are up to the task of covering WRs running free.

I agree and that happened a lot last year. Clark was a monster in run support and he shouldn't need to be.

I'm not sold on Worilds and I think Timmons is overrated by Steelers fans.... Tomlin is damn lucky that Timmons is 'ok' at the inside. Otherwise, the Timmons pick would be 1 of the worst 1 round busts in recent memory.... He's pretty good at ILB but he still wasn't worth the high pick.

Crash
06-06-2012, 01:14 PM
The Jets stole the guy we wanted in 2007. In a way that's a good thing though.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-06-2012, 01:25 PM
Imagine that. The people who see the most like him more than the people who see and know the least. Interesting???????

Like what was previously said he was third on the team in QB pressures but that means nothing because we hear the meaningless "not stout enough against the run" criticism which is typically levied against any LB who someone doesn't like. Here is a newsflash. Teams don't beat us with the run. The run means nothing in today's NFL and the "not stout enough" is just code for I have nothing empirical to back up that I don't like the guy so it just doesn't look right to me.

Since he saw the line-up because of Woodley & Harrison's injuries...How impressive is finishing 3rd with pressures? Sacks come from OLB's so how interesting would it be that Woodley & Harrison finished ahead of him in QB hurries/pressures? If you go by starts...Woodley & Harrison basicly finished with an avg of a sack a game. Worilds avg out to 1/2 sack a game. He only recorded a sack in 2 of the 7 games he started and 2 of the 12 games he played in. Now...He is young and by no means a finished product. A calculated 16 starts would have been a 80 tackle 7 sacks season which isn't great but isn't anything to frown on. I like the guy and hope he pans out. His time is soon...Like 2013 soon if Harrison shows signs of regression. Worilds still has alot of growing to do before the Steelers see him as "The next man up".

As for you comment about "not stout enough against the run". You watch the games. Worilds struggled at times...He got hooked by TEs and couldn't squeeze the kick out on the power. His backside pursuit is good and so is his discipline. His athleticism is evident when stringing out a sweep but there were times where he lost too much grown heading toward the sideline. If it doesn't improve he won't be the every down LB replacing Harrison. Simple as that. He has a good distance to go before he could give you what Woodley & Harrison give the D in the run game. Worilds has all the "uncoachables" to be something special. This is about the age where Woodley exploded on the scene although it was a season earlier and he got the nod to start all 16. By the end of 2012...It will be clear if Harison's time in Pittsburgh is coming to its end. It will also be clear if Worilds is his replacement.

RuthlessBurgher
06-06-2012, 01:56 PM
Here is a newsflash. Teams don't beat us with the run. The run means nothing in today's NFL.

One quarter of our schedule, every year for the foreseeable future, will feature teams whose offenses will be revolving around Ray Rice and Trent Richardson. I'm sure the run means nothing to our division rivals in Baltimore and Cleveland.

Oviedo
06-06-2012, 02:12 PM
One quarter of our schedule, every year for the foreseeable future, will feature teams whose offenses will be revolving around Ray Rice and Trent Richardson. I'm sure the run means nothing to our division rivals in Baltimore and Cleveland.

The issue is "will they beat us running the ball?" Rarely if at all. Baltimore beat us twice last year throwing the ball when we couldn't get to Flacco. The Browns have been running the ball for years behind an OL much better than ours and can't beat us. Do you think Richardson will have a better season than Hillis did a couple of years ago? Doubtful.

There is too much emphasis among Steelers fans in stopping the run because it connotates "tough guy football" but that isn't the NFL today. Was there really a game changing difference in what opponents did to us on the ground with Worilds playing. Doubt it. When we lose we usually give up a critical score through the air not on the ground. IMO that won't change. The problem is not getting to the QB because our two key pass rushers couldn't do it last year and our DC didn't dial up anything new.

Crash
06-06-2012, 02:12 PM
Rice's big plays usually come as a RECEIVER against us, either in dump offs or lined up in the slot. Where we usually have to deal with him as a runner is on red zone. But between the 20's? It's his pass catching that kills us more than running.

Crash
06-06-2012, 02:13 PM
The issue is "will they beat us running the ball?" Rarely if at all. Baltimore beat us twice last year throwing the ball when we couldn't get to Flacco. The Browns have been running the ball for years behind an OL much better than ours and can't beat us. Do you think Richardson will have a better season than Hillis did a couple of years ago? Doubtful.

There is too much emphasis among Steelers fans in stopping the run because it connotates "tough guy football" but that isn't the NFL today. Was there really a game changing difference in what opponents did to us on the ground with Worilds playing. Doubt it. When we lose we usually give up a critical score through the air not on the ground. IMO that won't change. The problem is not getting to the QB because our two key pass rushers couldn't do it last year and our DC didn't dial up anything new.

Ding ding ding!

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-06-2012, 04:28 PM
If you can't stop the run in the North...You won't go anywhere. Ravens & Steelers have owned the division because of that simple fact for over a decade. Win division first.

If you took your eye of the ball oepning day and saw the personnel groupings and gameplans the Ravens imployed you would know exactly what running the football did to the Steelers that day. Ravens went for 40-170 on the ground. If you know what personnel was on the field and what DL did you would know why this point is being brought up. Ravens trotted out 12 & 21 personnel that drew base from DL and Flacco stood in the shotgun and flung the ball around. 13 going to TEs/RBs while only 4 to WR. The TEs split out and Rice out of the backfield with Farrior, Clark, and Polamalu trying to stay in coverage. When DL tried to play down & distance football and trot out nickel Flacco went under center against our big nickel and Rice & Williams ran it down our throat or Rice caught a little dump off and moved the chains. The turnovers didn't help the Steelers but the Ravens gameplan was very good and it centered on running the ball and keeping the Steelers base D on the field because of it.

To be fair...I will mention the rematch. After Rice going 76 yards on the first play from scrimmage that was called back because of a penalty <cough> the Steelers held the Ravens running game in check 27-67. Because the Ravens pressed the run (27), Flacco connected 14-113 to his RBs/TEs & 14-187 to WRs. Take into account that Flacco's game winning 92 yard drive had 6 catches for 90 yards going to WRs...You could see again the gameplan of the Ravens. To come full circle back to this thread, Worilds made his first start and came away with 3 tackles and 0 sacks while Harrison made his return and notched 3 himself. On a side note...Steelers went 1-4 in the Redzone.

If you don't see those two games as an example of what a run game does to a gameplan...Than you will never see it. Flacco's arm wasn't the center of the gameplan. It was the threat of the run that got the Steelers caught in base that Flacco's arm exploited.

steelz09
06-06-2012, 04:32 PM
One quarter of our schedule, every year for the foreseeable future, will feature teams whose offenses will be revolving around Ray Rice and Trent Richardson. I'm sure the run means nothing to our division rivals in Baltimore and Cleveland.

:Agree

Not being able to stop the run is still the easiest way to lose a game. Likewise, successfully running the ball is the easiest way to WIN a game. I'm shocked as a Steelers fan that I'm hearing otherwise. If a team can run on you, they control the clock and they keep your high power offense off the field. You can point to statistics that say the Steelers are the #1 run defense. That is true. Dick Lebeau & our defensive players for YEARS have said our defensive philosophy is to stop the run as the #1 priority. We do that... we always have. However, I saw many games in which the Steelers had to sell out to stop the run which made them VERY vulnerable in the passing game. Any games ring a bell?!?!

grotonsteel
06-06-2012, 05:11 PM
If you don't see those two games as an example of what a run game does to a gameplan...Than you will never see it. Flacco's arm wasn't the center of the gameplan. It was the threat of the run that got the Steelers caught in base that Flacco's arm exploited.

This is correct but i think situation is reverse in Steelers case. Ray Rice is not Issac Redman or Mendy and Ben is not Flacco.Ray Rice is easy Top-5 RB in NFL and Ben is Top-5 QB in NFL.

It should be threat of a pass that should set the Run in Steelers case not the other way around. As an OC, one needs to exploit the strengths of the offense.

Steelers offense has to start from Ben. No other way around.

BURGH86STEEL
06-06-2012, 05:56 PM
The coaches were much more pleased with what Worilds did last season than many of the fans, here. You might suggest they would praise anyone on the team just to make them feel good, but I sense there is genuine high regard when LeBeau and Butler say they think Worilds played great last season. I'll be is disagreement with what I am hearing on here about Worilds also. I think he played well last season. Taking into consideration, as I have stated previously, the lack of OTAs etc. and that he is transitioning to more a stand-up role, he did a good job. Fans always seem to expect miracles of some sort, 13 sacks or something. It does concern me that he always has some nagging injury. Why would some see Carter as more impressive than Worilds? He has 3 tackles, no sacks. He hasn't done anything to show he is Worilds equal or would surpass him. Worilds had 38 tackles, 3 sacks, a number of pressures. I think he'll turn out to be good, maybe very good. This should be a year when he really sparkles.

If he can stay healthy and gets more opportunities to play. His opportunities will probably come down to the heath/effectiveness of Harrison and Woodley.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-06-2012, 08:16 PM
This is correct but i think situation is reverse in Steelers case. Ray Rice is not Issac Redman or Mendy and Ben is not Flacco.Ray Rice is easy Top-5 RB in NFL and Ben is Top-5 QB in NFL.

It should be threat of a pass that should set the Run in Steelers case not the other way around. As an OC, one needs to exploit the strengths of the offense.

Steelers offense has to start from Ben. No other way around.
That was BA philosophy for many years and it cost him his job. So you know the Steelers have no interest in that line of thinking. Everyone wants to talk about playing to your strengths. The Steelers focus is to become balanced and more dedicated to the run game. The reason why? So the Steelers strength is whatever it needs to be for the given situation. Strengthen their weakness. Because not being weak in one side of your game is what challenges a DC. Focusing on a strength is easy game planning and play calling.

BB & The Steelers Rbs compared to Flacco & Rice are a lot closer than you think when you put them on the field together.

Shoe
06-07-2012, 01:18 AM
The issue is "will they beat us running the ball?" Rarely if at all. Baltimore beat us twice last year throwing the ball when we couldn't get to Flacco. The Browns have been running the ball for years behind an OL much better than ours and can't beat us. Do you think Richardson will have a better season than Hillis did a couple of years ago? Doubtful.

There is too much emphasis among Steelers fans in stopping the run because it connotates "tough guy football" but that isn't the NFL today. Was there really a game changing difference in what opponents did to us on the ground with Worilds playing. Doubt it. When we lose we usually give up a critical score through the air not on the ground. IMO that won't change. The problem is not getting to the QB because our two key pass rushers couldn't do it last year and our DC didn't dial up anything new.

It's a circular situation though. One could correctly argue that those "critical scores" through the air, were a product of weakness in overall D. e.g. In the Denver game, why did we feel the need to over commit to stop the run? You could argue other things (Tebow's lack of passing ability, Clark's absence), but one has to admit that LeBeau might not have done it if we were more stout (i.e. not committing extra guys to stop Tebow).

Oviedo
06-07-2012, 08:27 AM
That was BA philosophy for many years and it cost him his job. So you know the Steelers have no interest in that line of thinking. Everyone wants to talk about playing to your strengths. The Steelers focus is to become balanced and more dedicated to the run game. The reason why? So the Steelers strength is whatever it needs to be for the given situation. Strengthen their weakness. Because not being weak in one side of your game is what challenges a DC. Focusing on a strength is easy game planning and play calling.

BB & The Steelers Rbs compared to Flacco & Rice are a lot closer than you think when you put them on the field together.

Strength is determined where the most talent is. Successful plays are based on the ability to execute those called plays. The strength of this team is with the QB, WRs and TEs. That will be clear after the first few games and we therefore will still be passing a lot.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-07-2012, 09:40 AM
Strength is determined where the most talent is. Successful plays are based on the ability to execute those called plays. The strength of this team is with the QB, WRs and TEs. That will be clear after the first few games and we therefore will still be passing a lot.


Exactly right...But I don't think that is where you were going with that. Strength is determined where the most talent is and what the teams does best using that talent. BA focus WAS on the WRs & BB. That is why the predictability & familiarity of BA's offense caused it to flat line when he faced a better football mind or talented secondary. He had nothing to fall back on to influence the DC to take his foot off the throttle. We all saw the "quicksand" effect in those games when it happened.

The influx of talent on the OL over the last 3 years will be an addition to their strengths that will be utilized. That will be the new focus under Haley. To make the running game and OL a strength of the team. That will increase the effectiveness of the running game and the TEs & RBs in the passing game to go along with one of the better WR groups in the league. Can't stress it enough. That is their ultimate goal. What is past is past...BA isn't here and his beliefs are gone with him. What will be clear after the first few game is the Steelers will show that they have an equally dangerous running and PA pass attack to go along with their vertical threat passing game. I have said this all along. I don't expect the Steelers to go away from what they did best...I expect them to show that isn't the only thing they can be "best" at. In preparation & play calling...Having the ability to do something is the same as doing it. Many must understand that script, attrition, and apprehension play a big part in gameplanning and play calling on game day. I saw an attempt at script. I saw very little attrition. BA did not create apprehension other than his WRs in the vertical passing game outside of the Redzone. Playcalling "down & distance" against that made life easy on many DCs.

RuthlessBurgher
06-07-2012, 08:29 PM
Do you think Richardson will have a better season than Hillis did a couple of years ago? Doubtful.

Hillis ran for 1177 yards that season. Richardson has the look of a man-beast. I think he can easily do that.

Sugar
06-07-2012, 09:41 PM
Hillis ran for 1177 yards that season. Richardson has the look of a man-beast. I think he can easily do that.

Agreed. While I hate to say too much about a guy who hasn't played an NFL down, Richardson looks to me to be better than Hillis in every possible way.

NorthCoast
06-10-2012, 12:21 PM
If you can't stop the run in the North...You won't go anywhere. Ravens & Steelers have owned the division because of that simple fact for over a decade. Win division first.

If you took your eye of the ball oepning day and saw the personnel groupings and gameplans the Ravens imployed you would know exactly what running the football did to the Steelers that day. Ravens went for 40-170 on the ground. If you know what personnel was on the field and what DL did you would know why this point is being brought up. Ravens trotted out 12 & 21 personnel that drew base from DL and Flacco stood in the shotgun and flung the ball around. 13 going to TEs/RBs while only 4 to WR. The TEs split out and Rice out of the backfield with Farrior, Clark, and Polamalu trying to stay in coverage. When DL tried to play down & distance football and trot out nickel Flacco went under center against our big nickel and Rice & Williams ran it down our throat or Rice caught a little dump off and moved the chains. The turnovers didn't help the Steelers but the Ravens gameplan was very good and it centered on running the ball and keeping the Steelers base D on the field because of it.

To be fair...I will mention the rematch. After Rice going 76 yards on the first play from scrimmage that was called back because of a penalty <cough> the Steelers held the Ravens running game in check 27-67. Because the Ravens pressed the run (27), Flacco connected 14-113 to his RBs/TEs & 14-187 to WRs. Take into account that Flacco's game winning 92 yard drive had 6 catches for 90 yards going to WRs...You could see again the gameplan of the Ravens. To come full circle back to this thread, Worilds made his first start and came away with 3 tackles and 0 sacks while Harrison made his return and notched 3 himself. On a side note...Steelers went 1-4 in the Redzone.

If you don't see those two games as an example of what a run game does to a gameplan...Than you will never see it. Flacco's arm wasn't the center of the gameplan. It was the threat of the run that got the Steelers caught in base that Flacco's arm exploited.

Thanks for saying exactly what I was attempting to bring up JPN. The threat of a good running attack is all a team really needs to open up all the possibilities. Unfortunately for the Steelers, their running game has been far from 'good' and I would say downright ordinary. Imagine if Ed Reed had to come up often in run support against us, Ben could shred that defense.

hawaiiansteel
06-11-2012, 03:50 PM
My early bold prediction: Brandon Lindsey takes Chris Carter's roster spot.

haven't heard much about Brandon Lindsey but Adrian Robinson is receiving praise:


Will Adrian Robinson Push Chris Carter For A Roster Spot?

Monday, June 11th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Cracking the Pittsburgh Steelers 53 man roster out of training camp as an undrafted linebacker this year seems to be a very daunting task, as there just doesn't seem to be a spot for one to do so. When you look at the locks on the roster, you definitely see why. Baring injury, James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, Jason Worilds, Stevenson Sylvester and rookie Sean Spence all will be on the 53 man roster and you have to think that Chris Carter, the fifth round pick from last year, also has an inside track on a roster spot as well.

Over the last three seasons the Steelers have kept, 8, 9 and 8 linebackers on the roster respectively entering the first week of the regular season, so you can see how big of an uphill battle the young linebackers face. Keep in mind that the Steelers will likely need to carry 5 safeties of the 53 man roster for week 1, as opposed to the normal 4, as Ryan Clark is surely to miss the opening game in Denver because of his sickle cell trait. In addition, 3 nose tackles on the 53 man roster is also a possibility depending on if Casey Hampton starts the season on the PUP list or not.

Despite the insurmountable odds, there have been two young undrafted linebackers that seem to have caught the eye of linebackers coach Keith Butler during the OTA sessions that wrapped up last week. Those two players are Adrian Robinson out of Temple and Brandon Hicks out of Florida. "I think I've got a good group this year," said Butler on Thursday. "Probably a little more impressive than normal with the guys we got." Butler continued, "The kid from Temple, Adrian Robinson, has been doing a good job. The kid from Florida has been doing a good job. We've got some players."

Although Butler noted that both Robinson and Hicks have impressed thus far, he also cautioned that the big test will come when they put the pads on. "Here's the deal. They all look good in shorts," said Butler. "It's almost like a beauty contest, but when the hitting starts, we'll find out about them when it starts."

Robinson, who went undrafted this year, is likely the one of the two with the best shot of grabbing a roster spot, as he plays outside and could push Carter in training camp. Robinson was a defensive end at Temple, and the transition to standing up in the Steelers 3-4 system, is always a tough adjustment for the tweener types, especially being as reps will be scarce for him. For Robinson to make the 53 man roster, he will have to out perform Carter on special teams for starters and show that he has more long-term upside than Carter as an outside linebacker. Butler did note that Carter is coming along well on Thursday, so the Fresno State product will likely be tough to upset.

Hicks played both inside and outside while at Florida and went undrafted in 2011. He spent training camp last year with the Buffalo Bills, but did not stick. He figures to be getting his reps inside with the Steelers and seems to be the much longer shot of the two when you look at that players ahead of him on the depth chart, which includes Spence, who really has flashed thus far according to the reports. Although the praise from Butler is nice, a practice squad spot seems to be the best Hicks can hope for at this point.

The Steelers begin their mandatory mini-camp this week, and while it is great for young players to get mention from their position coach in June, they still have a long road ahead of them. That being said, Robinson could be a player to watch for when the Steelers get things started in Latrobe. Carter certainly has the inside track, at what figures to the 8th and final linebacker spot, but I would in no way consider him a lock right now. If Robinson makes the transition from shorts to pads well, he might at worst be looking at a spot on the Steelers practice squad.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/will_adrian_robinson_push_chris_carter_for_a_roste r_spot/10986893

DukieBoy
06-12-2012, 08:36 PM
Who's gonna replace this? Who could??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJnAo7ob6Jg

hawaiiansteel
06-15-2012, 02:06 AM
MarkKaboly_Trib via twitter:

In layman's terms: Worilds had a ligament tear between two bones inside the wrist. Surgery was required to reconstruct the ligament. the injury is called "Scapholunate Diastasis".

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/

hawaiiansteel
06-30-2012, 07:38 PM
Jason Worilds Should Be Ready By Training Camp & Expects To Stay Put Outside

Saturday, June 30th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Pittsburgh Steelers third year outside line backer Jason Worilds was on Sirius XM NFL Radio two weeks ago to talk a little about his status for training camp and where he sees himself fitting into the defense this year.

The Virginia Tech product was asked about where he thought he currently was at in achieving his off-season goals. "Physically it is not where I want to be," said Worilds, who had had scapholunate diastasis surgery on his left wrist (http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/06/keith-butler-kevin-colbert-both-talked-about-linebackers-on-thursday/) this past off-season. "I think I'm right on the cusp of that. I think this next month and a half will help me complete that goal. The rest from there is just getting into camp and playing ball."

Worilds was next asked by host Andrew Bogusch how the wrist was doing. "The wrist is doing fine," said Worilds. When pressed further by Bogusch if he would be ready in time for training camp, Worilds said, "Yeah, I should be ready by training camp."

Worilds admitted during the interview that it is difficult for him to crack the starting lineup this year with both LaMarr Woodley and James Harrison ahead him. "It's hard to crack that rotation," said Worilds. "But I think that last year I was able to go out there and kind of put a better foot forward and this year I'm looking forward to put my best foot forward."

It had been rumored earlier this off-season that the Steelers might look to move Worilds inside this year (http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/04/state-of-the-steelers-linebackers-could-worilds-really-be-slated-to-move-inside/), but with the drafting of linebacker Sean Spence in the third round of the draft back in April, he is most assuredly going to stay put outside. Bogusch asked Worilds about that rumored move inside, and if it was still a possibility. "At this point I'm still an outside guy," said Worilds. "I rush the passer, I mean whatever it takes, so if I have to rush the passer from the inside spot, that's fine. I think the coaches understand that and they're going to put me and the defense in the best position that they play."

Worilds was unable to participate in the OTA sessions and mini-camp this year due to rehabbing his wrist, so the next thing that we will look for is if he will be cleared by the doctors to start practicing in practices when he reports to Latrobe later next month. If not cleared, he will start training camp on the active PUP list.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/jason_worilds_should_be_ready_by_training_camp_exp ects_to_stay_put_outside/11125595

Crash
06-30-2012, 07:44 PM
He plays well when he's allowed to play.

NorthCoast
07-01-2012, 10:01 AM
I'm with D Rock. I have never been impressed. With Woodley, you could see the flashes right off the bat. Same with Harrison. As many times as Harrison got cut (for basically being stubborn and not too bright) he showed significant physical skills. Worilds looks quick to me, but weak at the POA. Once a tackle gets his hands on him, the play is over. I was hoping some time in the weight room would help that. He did seem a touch more physical last season...but not by much.


I agree that this is a make it or break it season for Worilds. He needs to show the Steelers something, or we need to draft an OLB early.

You nailed my thoughts Shawn. Worilds wont make me forget Harrison, Porter, or Gildon anytime soon. Besides, I think speed at LB'er is being neutralized by offenses with their quick passing games. LBs with speed that can cover a receiver?.... now that is something of value in today's NFL.

Oviedo
07-01-2012, 10:17 AM
You nailed my thoughts Shawn. Worilds wont make me forget Harrison, Porter, or Gildon anytime soon. Besides, I think speed at LB'er is being neutralized by offenses with their quick passing games. LBs with speed that can cover a receiver?.... now that is something of value in today's NFL.

You pretty much summed up that Worilds will never be good enough. "Worilds wont make me forget Harrison, Porter, or Gildon anytime soon" Really??? You just described the top 5% of the LBs who have played OLB in the 3-4 defense in the past twenty years and you are unsatisfied with Worilds because he hasn't made Harrison obselete. Pretty much captures the unrealistic expectations that Worilds has faced since the day he was drafted.

Worilds has been solid given the opprtunities he has had because of who he plays behind. He will continue to get better. It took James Harrison 5-6 years. Worilds has already done significantly more than Harrison did after two seasons.

Shoe
07-01-2012, 03:17 PM
You pretty much summed up that Worilds will never be good enough. "Worilds wont make me forget Harrison, Porter, or Gildon anytime soon" Really??? You just described the top 5% of the LBs who have played OLB in the 3-4 defense in the past twenty years and you are unsatisfied with Worilds because he hasn't made Harrison obselete. Pretty much captures the unrealistic expectations that Worilds has faced since the day he was drafted.

Worilds has been solid given the opprtunities he has had because of who he plays behind. He will continue to get better. It took James Harrison 5-6 years. Worilds has already done significantly more than Harrison did after two seasons.

And you are right too. While it would seem silly to think he should displace Harrison/Woodley at first glance... are you *personally* satisfied if we fill the precious 3-4 OLB position with second-tier guys of the past? Think names like Clark Haggans, Carlos Emmons, even go back to names like Jerrol Williams...

As we're made to understand it, this defense is designed for certain things. One of those things, is to highlight the OLBs, to make plays. If you are "just" solid at this position, then you really aren't producing at a level that anyone will be "satisfied" with...

Oviedo
07-01-2012, 03:37 PM
And you are right too. While it would seem silly to think he should displace Harrison/Woodley at first glance... are you *personally* satisfied if we fill the precious 3-4 OLB position with second-tier guys of the past? Think names like Clark Haggans, Carlos Emmons, even go back to names like Jerrol Williams...

As we're made to understand it, this defense is designed for certain things. One of those things, is to highlight the OLBs, to make plays. If you are "just" solid at this position, then you really aren't producing at a level that anyone will be "satisfied" with...

My point is that we don't know Worilds is second-tier. What was Harrison after his second year? Tenth-tier??? You have illustrated what I have said so often about the 3-4. The time you waste converting and reeducating plays to play other than their natural position is a luxury we can't afford. Especially since it seems to take us longer than other 3-4 teams. That's not the players fault.

steelz09
07-02-2012, 01:20 PM
You pretty much summed up that Worilds will never be good enough. "Worilds wont make me forget Harrison, Porter, or Gildon anytime soon" Really??? You just described the top 5% of the LBs who have played OLB in the 3-4 defense in the past twenty years and you are unsatisfied with Worilds because he hasn't made Harrison obselete. Pretty much captures the unrealistic expectations that Worilds has faced since the day he was drafted.

Worilds has been solid given the opprtunities he has had because of who he plays behind. He will continue to get better. It took James Harrison 5-6 years. Worilds has already done significantly more than Harrison did after two seasons.

Worlids > Timmons at OLB. Let's look at the positive side of things :)

hawaiiansteel
08-17-2012, 01:36 AM
Jason Worilds May Be on His Way Out of Pittsburgh

by By Kyle Curry on August 16, 2012

http://steelblitz.com/wp-content/themes/u-design/scripts/timthumb.php?src=http://steelblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/yahoo_JasonWorilds-400x3001.jpg&w=570&h=172&zc=1&q=90

Jason Worilds still hasn’t participated in training camp after having writst surgery. Worilds himself isn’t sure why he hasn’t been allowed to return to practice yet which raises some big questions as SteelersDepot raises here. So what’s really going on with Worilds?

It seems as though the Steelers are keeping Worilds from practicng for a reason. Could it be the emergence of Chris Carter? The signing of ex-Bengal Brandon Johnson? Or maybe they have decided to give up on the injury plagued second round pick?

Whatever the reason it seems Worilds may be on his way out of Pittsburgh.

The Steelers may be waiting to see if Harrison comes back healthy before making a decision on Worilds. As of now they have Lamarr Woodley, Carter, Johnson, and Adrian Robinson at outside linebacker. They also have Stevenson Sylvester and Morty Ivy as emergency back-ups. With James Harrison set to return there isn’t much room for anyone else. If the Steelers decide to keep the undrafted rookie free agent, Robinson, Worilds may be the one shown the door.

In the NFL players’ salaries aren’t fully guranteed until they are placed on the 53-man roster or on injured reserve. Perhaps the Steelers are concerned that Worilds’ wrist could become further injured forcing them to place him on IR and gurantee his salary for 2012.

However, if the plan is to cut Worilds why wait? Perhaps they are waiting to see if Worilds can be fully healthy before the season starts? If so perhaps he could return to practice and show that he is deserving of a roster spot?

There are plenty of questions surrounding Jason Worilds, but the only real conclusion seems to be that he is on his way out of Pittsburgh. Mike Tomlin’s “next man up” philopsophy is well known and Chris Carter looks to be up to the task in Worilds place. The Steelers have plenty of depth at linebacker an may be willing to finally place the “bust” label on their former second round pick. Jason Worilds was supposed to be the next in a long-line of outside linebacker stars, but it seems his time is just about up.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/jason_worilds_may_be_on_his_way_out_of_pittsburgh/11475520

hawaiiansteel
08-17-2012, 01:45 AM
Alan Robinson ‏@arobinson_Trib:

Steelers LB coach Keith Butler says there's a chance Jason Worilds, who hasn't practiced in camp, might miss preseason. Best case: 1 game.

http://twitter.com/arobinson_Trib/status/236190730870202368