Batch or Rainey? Role of hybrid is pivotal to Steelers’ offense

[hawaiiansteel]

Role of hybrid is pivotal to Steelers’ offense

By Mark Kaboly - Tribune-Review
Published: Friday, June 1, 2012

Baron Batch or Chris Rainey could fill a vital role for Todd Haley’s offense

Baron Batch 24 5-10 210 Texas Tech 2nd year

Chris Rainey 24 5-8 178 Florida Rookie

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Only a fraction of Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley’s system has been installed through the first two weeks of organized team activities.

Even so, one critical concept has become quite clear — a player who can line up as a running back, motion out of the backfield and set up at the slot receiver position is going to be extremely valuable.

Enter Baron Batch and Chris Rainey.

Despite not having one NFL snap between them, Haley has a pair of prototypical hybrids with Rainey (5-foot-8, 179) and Batch (5-10, 210) who can fill that important role in his offense.

“It might be third down, it might be by package, you might see him as a receiver or as a running back, but you’ll see him do a little bit of everything,” Haley said after drafting Rainey.

The same can be said about Batch, who tore his ACL after turning some heads during the first week of training camp last year. He missed his entire rookie season.

“There is a lot of stuff to get the backs in space (with this offense),” Batch said.

The hybrid role sounds like a typical run-of-the-mill third-down back, but it’s really much more complex.

Haley is looking to create favorable matchups with a versatile guy who can outrun linebackers and safeties from multiple spots on the field, and he could get that with Rainey or Batch.

Rainey started 13 games at running back and six at slot receiver during his time at Florida, and Batch was versatile while at Texas Tech, making them good fits Haley’s hybrid role.

“I have no clue yet what my role will be,” Rainey said. “I don’t care what it is, but I love running back. I am ready whatever they want me to do. I have mad confidence in myself. I got a lot of talent and God-given gifts.”

Haley used that role the past two years in Kansas City with Dexter McCluster. After toying around with McCluster as strictly a slot receiver, Haley settled on a role in the backfield for McCluster where he could run or catch it equally effective.

Haley said after a preseason game last year against Baltimore when McCluster gained 71 total yards on seven touches (six of which came on first down) that “this guy clearly in space is a hazard to the defense.”

McCluster had 516 rushing and 318 receiving yards on 160 touches last year from the hybrid role.

Batch welcomes the challenge of the position if presented to him.

“Roles are something that we really don’t talk about,” Batch said. “I have always been that type of player that I am willing to do a lot of things. Being a competitor, I don’t like to put myself in a certain box of what I can do. I like to be well-rounded, and if I am asked to do something, I know that I can do it effectively.”

Batch isn’t 100 percent yet since ACL surgery in August. He’s been wearing a blue practice jersey indicating that he’s still not ready for rough play, but he is sure he will be ready for training camp where he is prepared to battle Rainey for what could not only be a significant role with the offense but a roster spot as well.

“I always say this, if you are not willing to compete, you shouldn’t be in the NFL,” Batch said. “I am a competitor, and I love to compete. I am a competitor in everything I do whether it is ping pong or bowling. I want to be the best at it, and because of that, I think of wherever they put me I can compete and do well.”

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[Slapstick]

If Batch an Rainey are battling for one roster spot, that's crazy....

Batch is 30 Lbs heavier...he is a legit RB...

Rainey is indeed a weapon, but while some of their skills may be similar, they should have different roles...

This is like the comparison going on between Troy and Spence...they are two different players...

[D Rock]

IF they resign Mendenhall...Why bother with keeping a bunch of big backs when you already have Redman. Clay and Dwyer can go, and keep both Batch (who can be a true backup RB too) and Rainey

IF they do not resign Mendenhall...Then you still get rid of Clay or Dwyer. Those two are the exact same player. Who not talk about them fighting each other for a roster spot?

[Oviedo]

I'd rather have Batch than Clay and maybe even Dwyer. I'm still unconvinced that Rainey can handle the pounding in the NFL where alot more players will be able to catch and nail him than he experienced in college.

[flippy]

I see Rainey having a huge advantage in this competition because of his speed, change of direction, and ability to play WR. Plus he'll likely get a hat as a returner and hopefully he can block some punts like he did in college.

But I see these guys as totally different players. Batch is a prototypical 3rd down back. And maybe an every down back in time.

Rainey is an all around weapon. It'll be interesting to see how he gets used in time. It would be interesting to see if we could use them both at the same time to create some situational mismatches.

[Slapstick]

IF they resign Mendenhall...Why bother with keeping a bunch of big backs when you already have Redman. Clay and Dwyer can go, and keep both Batch (who can be a true backup RB too) and Rainey

IF they do not resign Mendenhall...Then you still get rid of Clay or Dwyer. Those two are the exact same player. Who not talk about them fighting each other for a roster spot?

Clay and Dwyer are also two different players...the difference isn't quite as pronounced as Rainey and Batch, but there are definite differences...

Back to Batch and Rainey, Haley found different roles for Jamaal Charles and Dexter McCluster in his offense...those two are much more similar than Batch and Rainey, IMO...

[Oviedo]

Anyone really think that Rainey could pick up a blitz...and survive? Rainey in the backfield would likely be an automatic blitz audible for opposing defenses.

[flippy]

Anyone really think that Rainey could pick up a blitz...and survive? Rainey in the backfield would likely be an automatic blitz audible for opposing defenses.

Warrick Dunn was Rainey's size and did ok.

It'll be interesting to see if we try to use him like Dunn? Or try to work him into the slot like Wes Welker early in his career.

There's not a well defined role for him, but he's blazing fast and can change direction like few other athletes I've ever seen. So I imagine Haley will try him out in a lot of different positions.

It'll be harder to justify him in a slot role over Sanders/Cotchery. So I think he's gonna have to prove to be a 3rd down back and pick up some blitzes to make his way into the offense.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

I believe there is room for both of them. They seem to carry four on the 53. Mendy, Redman, Dwyer, & Moore started last year. Rainey makes the team as the RB/#6 WR/KR. Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, & Clemons at WR. Redman, Dwyer, Batch, & Clay with Mendy on PUP. One of the Johnson's at FB. That also would mean that only Miller & Pope would be at TE until Saunders comes off suspension. Just my thoughts.

[Ghost]

"this guy clearly in space is a hazard to the defense.” - love this philosophy!! Get guys the ball and let them due some damage.

[Slapstick]

Warrick Dunn was Rainey's size and did ok.

It'll be interesting to see if we try to use him like Dunn? Or try to work him into the slot like Wes Welker early in his career.

There's not a well defined role for him, but he's blazing fast and can change direction like few other athletes I've ever seen. So I imagine Haley will try him out in a lot of different positions.

It'll be harder to justify him in a slot role over Sanders/Cotchery. So I think he's gonna have to prove to be a 3rd down back and pick up some blitzes to make his way into the offense.

I disagree completely...

Warrick Dunn was actually bigger than Rainey, though not like Barron Batch...

If you are asking Rainey to pick up blitzes, you are using him completely wrong...

Rainey should be getting the ball in space, not taking on a blitzing LB...even if you are only using him as a decoy, it is better than him picking up blitzes...

[feltdizz]

I love it... competition is a good thing. Not sure about Rainey picking up blitzes but I'm sure we will figure it out.

[MeetJoeGreene]

IF they resign Mendenhall...Why bother with keeping a bunch of big backs when you already have Redman. Clay and Dwyer can go, and keep both Batch (who can be a true backup RB too) and Rainey

IF they do not resign Mendenhall...Then you still get rid of Clay or Dwyer. Those two are the exact same player. Who not talk about them fighting each other for a roster spot?



YUP. In my mind, the battle for the last RB spot should be between Dwyer and Clay. (assuming batch is back and healthy)

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Rainey will be the guy who lines up in the backfield on 3rd down and dares the DC to blitz & pick it up. Haley is very good at designing the counter as long as BB takes his check down. This is where we may see BB vs Haley. 3rd & long...When they are coming. The read would be to quickly hit Rainey because he is the mismatch and it gets the ball out quickly. Hitting Rainey on a simple swing matched up on nickel/dime backer could be a pass behind the LOS tuned into a 1st down or big play. Even 3rd & long with 7-8 back in zone. Let you WRs clear out the zone and get the S out of their back pedal. Dump to Rainey and let him make a play. Percentage football while keeping your QB upright. There will be oportunities to take their shots downfield off of PA and when down & distance allows them to. But like I said, it is all on BB.

BB is the type to stand tall and shrug off the free blitzer & extend the play and go vertical. He needs to start being a smarter QB in the regular season and know when the time calls for BB to be what makes BB great. Nobody is saying change who he is...Just know when to put the cape on. Weeks 1-17...Keep it tucked away on the sideline. Let the "lunch pail" guys carry the load and wear defenses down. Jump in the phone booth in the 4th if you need to secure a win. Get to the dance and then dress your best. BB needs to start knowing when to pick his battles. He needs to limited them as much as possible in weeks 1-17. This team goes where he goes and it is more important for him to ensure he is on the field for the long run.

[phillyesq]

If Batch an Rainey are battling for one roster spot, that's crazy....

Batch is 30 Lbs heavier...he is a legit RB...

Rainey is indeed a weapon, but while some of their skills may be similar, they should have different roles...

This is like the comparison going on between Troy and Spence...they are two different players...

I would hope that they are competing for this role, but not necessarily for a roster spot.

I would think that you open the season with Redman, Dwyer, Batch and Rainey as your backs, or even Redman, Dwyer, Batch and Clay, with Rainey as a RB/WR/KR. This all assumes that Batch returns healthy.

[Oviedo]

I love it... competition is a good thing. Not sure about Rainey picking up blitzes but I'm sure we will figure it out.

I think we will be hearing alot about Rainey getting blown up during "Backs on Backers" drills at camp. That's why I think they should be looking at him as the #5 or #6 WR and the Return Specialist.

[Oviedo]

I would hope that they are competing for this role, but not necessarily for a roster spot.

I would think that you open the season with Redman, Dwyer, Batch and Rainey as your backs, or even Redman, Dwyer, Batch and Clay, with Rainey as a RB/WR/KR. This all assumes that Batch returns healthy.

I agree that Rainey should not factor into the RB numbers. He is a 3 position player and shouldn't force a decision between him or Batch.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Anyone really think that Rainey could pick up a blitz...and survive? Rainey in the backfield would likely be an automatic blitz audible for opposing defenses.

The D blitzing is not always a bad thing, especially when you know it is coming.

[grotonsteel]

The D blitzing is not always a bad thing, especially when you know it is coming.


I agree. A good RB screen to Chris Rainey with athletic O-line could be a home run play.

[Slapstick]

I can see (if Mendenhall is not heathy):

5 RB - Redman, Batch, Dwyer, Clay and Johnson

3 TE - Miller, Pope and Saunders

6 WR - Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Rainey and Clemons

[hawaiiansteel]

I agree. A good RB screen to Chris Rainey with athletic O-line could be a home run play.

when was the last time we saw the Steelers run a well-designed screen pass to a RB?

I think I might cry from joy when it happens...

[grotonsteel]

when was the last time we saw the Steelers run a well-designed screen pass to a RB?

I think I might cry from joy when it happens...

2005 might be last time.

I think with young and athletic O-line and with fast RBs like Mendy/Rainey/Batch RB screen should be an important weapon. No better way to beat the blitz.

[hawaiiansteel]

Friday, 01 June 2012

Written by Ed Bouchette

--- Baron Batch was writing on Twitter the other night about the Hatfields & McCoys miniseries on the History television network while it was going on. I asked him about it, because I watched all three nights of the show too. He said he enjoys history and he’s read up on the Hatfields & McCoys.

You have to love this kid.

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[RuthlessBurgher]

Friday, 01 June 2012

Written by Ed Bouchette

--- Baron Batch was writing on Twitter the other night about the Hatfields & McCoys miniseries on the History television network while it was going on. I asked him about it, because I watched all three nights of the show too. He said he enjoys history and he’s read up on the Hatfields & McCoys.

You have to love this kid.

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They should re-name that miniseries the Haleys and the Roethlisbergers. :p

[Crash]

Yay screen passes and fullbacks......wooooohooooo!

[flippy]

Yay screen passes and fullbacks......wooooohooooo!

It beats having our $100M man hit relentlessly before the playoffs.

[Crash]

It beats having our $100M man hit relentlessly before the playoffs.

I would rather use basic swing passes in the flat. Get the backs in motion and in open spaces.

Screen passes are for dinosaurs who as always can't let go of the past.

[steelnavy]

I would rather use basic swing passes in the flat. Get the backs in motion and in open spaces.

Screen passes are for dinosaurs who as always can't let go of the past.

I am surprised that some NFL team didn't hire you as a coach yet. You obviously know more than Tomlin, Lebeau, the Roonies and Haley...

[Crash]

I am surprised that some NFL team didn't hire you as a coach yet. You obviously know more than Tomlin, Lebeau, the Roonies and Haley...

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

PS....Todd Haley, the Rooney's, and Mike Tomlin have played the same number of games in the NFL that I have.

[flippy]

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

PS....Todd Haley, the Rooney's, and Mike Tomlin have played the same number of games in the NFL that I have.

LOL - There's still hope for all of us :)

[Flasteel]

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

PS....Todd Haley, the Rooney's, and Mike Tomlin have played the same number of games in the NFL that I have.

At least they understand the game of football. A RB screen is often used to slow down the opposing pass rush. It's not just a way to get the ball into the hands of a RB. The way that Ben has been getting killed since 2007 should have you drooling for more screen passes. You're right about getting Rainey in space - he's got rare change-of-direction and explosion - but you obviously fail to grasp the importance of the RB screen.

By the way, if you think not playing in the NFL limits a persons functional knowledge of the game, then you are once again, demonstrating a pretty shallow understanding of professional football.

This is just another convenient little factoid you can put out there, which allows you to wrap a few of your hidden agendas and personal feelings into a neat little box. But hey man...if your mind needs to believe these things to rationalize your illogical and distorted thought processes, then I'm not going to take that from you Crash...it may be all you have. That would be cruel.

Please continue.

[Chadman]

A day in the life of Crash...

Wake up- bite into a lemon.
Sign in to Planet Steelers, find first post thread, respond accordingly with lemon taste still in mouth.
Bite into grapefruit sans sugar.
Find second article to respond to on Planet Steelers...
Jam big toe under the leg of compter desk.
Respond to first critisism of the day...

[steelnavy]

A day in the life of Crash...

Wake up- bite into a lemon.
Sign in to Planet Steelers, find first post thread, respond accordingly with lemon taste still in mouth.
Bite into grapefruit sans sugar.
Find second article to respond to on Planet Steelers...
Jam big toe under the leg of compter desk.
Respond to first critisism of the day...

:Clap:Clap:Clap

[RuthlessBurgher]

Todd Haley, the Rooney's, and Mike Tomlin have played the same number of games in the NFL that I have.

Kordell Stewart, Hines Ward, and David Johnson have spent a combined 28 years in the NFL. And yet somehow they all suck and you rule. Got it.

[Captain Lemming]

By the way, if you think not playing in the NFL limits a persons functional knowledge of the game, then you are once again, demonstrating a pretty shallow understanding of professional football.

I think his point is not to say that you have to play the game to know the game. His point is that HE does not need to have played the game to know the game just like these guys. I do agree that his point is ridiculous regardless.

Crash, two of those guys earned the right to wear the bling in FlaSteels sig. That gives their opinions more weight than all us messageboard yahoos combined.

To put yourself is the company and have the nerve to rip Art II who has been is a part of the most successful franchise in SB history is ridiculous Crash.

It take limited football knowledge to play the game and NONE to post on a message board.

To coach a champion (Tomlin) or run a top team having spent your adult life contributing to and now running the most successful team (Art II)?

They know the game at a level that you can only WISH you could.

[Va Steelr]

:Cheers,:Cheers

[Crash]

At least they understand the game of football.

Well wait a minute, TOMLIN wanted Bruce Arians back did he not?

So if Arians is as bad as you guys and Art II say he is, and Tomlin wanted him back, what does that say about Tomlin's football smarts and his understanding of the game?

You guys can't have it both ways.

Art II knows nothing about football. He's a friggin' lawyer who won the sperm lottery, nothing more, nothing less.

If his last name were Jones or Snyder you'd be laughing at his meddling.

All I hear is how I never played in the NFL. Well guess what? Neither have Tomlin, Haley, or Art II.

Again, you can't have it both ways.

[D Rock]

Art II knows nothing about football. He's a friggin' lawyer who won the sperm lottery, nothing more, nothing less.






and what are you that makes you know so much about the game?

Please give me a list and we will see if there is anything on it that Art II has not done as well.

While you're thinking about it, I'll provide you with a short list of what he has done that you have not.


Run an NFL team in some capacity.


Ok, Crash, fire away..

[Crash]

Run an NFL team in some capacity.

So does Dan Snyder.

You want him making football decisions if he owned the Steelers D Rock?

[Captain Lemming]

So does Dan Snyder.

You want him making football decisions if he owned the Steelers D Rock?


[/COLOR]

I dont want Snyder. He has never been associated with football SUCCESS.

He makes big name free agent signings.....like you have often wanted us to do.

Art II came up around the "the Steeler way". You know the philosphy you always criticize as 70s football?

You can call it the DNA lotto all you want but he has received more insight from the most successful family in NFL history as a result.

The Steeler way is without peer, and Art II is continuing in that path. And he has made direct contributions to that success in recent years.

Snyder is a rich dude who could buy his way into controlling a football team.

Snyder is essentially Crash with cash.

[Crash]

You can call it the DNA lotto all you want but he has received more insight from the most successful family in NFL history as a result.

More success than the Mara's?

The Debartolo's have won more than the Rooney's since they owned the 49ers as well.

Kraft has won more. Jones has won more since be bought the Cowboys, Bowlen has won more since he bought
the Broncos.

All the Rooney's have on all of them, is tenure.

BFD.


Remember, the Steelers were formed in 1933, not 1972.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Snyder is essentially Crash with cash.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[D Rock]

Way to run away Crash. Still wondering what qualifies you though, since you're clearly a football genius in your own mind.

[DukieBoy]

Real excited about the possibilities for both Batch and Rainey, and Mendy too, in Haley's offense. Getting any of them out in space on short routes while the WR's and TE occupy attention deep and intermediate, presents great problems for defenses.

I suspect the Dwyer will be the odd out in the RB contingent, barring preseason injury. He won't supplant any of the above or Red, IMO.

[Slapstick]

Screen passes are for dinosaurs who as always can't let go of the past.

Or, for those who enjoy success...

[DukieBoy]

Or, for those who enjoy success...

A well executed screen pass is a deadly beautiful thing. It changes defenses. If Mike Lange was calling the play-by-play it'd be "The D didn't know whether to cry or wind their watch".

[Crash]

Or, for those who enjoy success...

How many screens for Cowher from 1992-2001?

Now how many rings?

I would rather do what the Saints do with Sproles than wait for a slow, developing, screen pass to work.

Use the speed, don't handcuff it.

[Slapstick]

How many screens for Cowher from 1992-2001?

Now how many rings?

I would rather do what the Saints do with Sproles than wait for a slow, developing, screen pass to work.

Use the speed, don't handcuff it.

You know who uses screen passes to great effect? The Patriots...

They have a decent passing game, eh?

[Crash]

You know who uses screen passes to great effect? The Patriots

You mean that team that hasn't won a ring in 7 years since they got caught cheating?

[Slapstick]

You mean that team that hasn't won a ring in 7 years since they got caught cheating?

Can't lose the SB unless you make it...

Who said that?

[Crash]

Can't lose the SB unless you make it...

Who said that?

Right, but all their screen passes and guess what? Ringless.

Just like Cowher for 10 years.

I hope you guys get your wish. Go back to 70s football and protecting the defense.

Just don't bitch when they don't win.

[Slapstick]

Just don't bitch when they don't win.

Fair enough...

And you, don't bitch when they do win...

[RuthlessBurgher]

Fair enough...

And you, don't bitch when they do win...

Yeah, what's the likelihood of that ever happening?

[Jooser]

Yeah, what's the likelihood of that ever happening?

Without Bruce Arians? Not so likely, haven't you heard? We have a golf coach as OC, the end is near!!!!!!!!!

572

[hawaiiansteel]

Dwyer, Batch & Rainey: 3 Steelers Running Backs. 3 Late-Round "Steals." Only Room for One in the Hearts of Steelers Fans?

by Anthony Defeo on May 31, 2012

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Jonathan Dwyer #27 of the Pittsburgh Steelers evades a tackle by Cortland Finnegan #31 of the Tennessee Titans during the game on October 9, 2011 at Heinz Field

The Steelers 2012 Draft drew praise from experts and fans alike for the team's ability to miraculously land Stanford guard David DeCastro with the 24th pick in the first round. Pittsburgh also snagged Ohio State tackle Mike Adams in the 2nd round. There was a bit of a concern about Adams because of "character issues," but most fans were still happy with the pick because, well, he's just so darn talented.

However, the Steelers may have saved their best for the 5th round when they selected Florida tailback Chris Rainey. Rainey, a Combine sensation in February, was considered by many to be one of the steals of the 2012 Draft.

This is nothing new for the Steelers in recent years. If there's a running back out there still hanging around late in the draft, the Steelers have had the presence of mind to steal him away from everyone else.

Just last year, the Steelers selected Texas Tech running back Baron Batch in the 7th round. He was obviously a real steal that late in the draft, and with his ability to write an awesome blog, Steelers fans couldn't wait to witness what this kid had to offer.

Of course, Rainey and Batch aren't pioneers in the "running back who was a late-round steal" department. Nope, that distinction--at least in recent years--goes to Jonathan Dwyer. Dwyer, a third year back out of Georgia Tech, was stealing drafts back when Rainey and Batch were both still knee-high to a tackling dummy.

It's nice that the Steelers have stolen three really talented running backs in the last three drafts, but the odds of all three becoming productive members of the team are pretty slim. I mean, let's face it. Isaac Redman already casts a very huge shadow in the Steelers offensive backfield. You talk about a steal. The guy is an undrafted free agent out of Bowie State who is big, fast (but not so fast that he turns Steelers fans off), and did this to a number of Ravens a couple of years ago.

Redman's popularity in Steeler Nation is almost unrivaled--even by guys who have more than three career touchdowns-- and there won't be room in the backfield for all three of these late round steals. But if one of these guys can endear himself to Steelers fans and become a poor man's Redman, his chances of making the team will increase dramatically.

Join me as I offer each late round steal some advice to help increase his chances:

Jonathan Dwyer

You may be the original "running back who was a late round steal," but this is a "what have you done for me lately" business, and what have you done? Forget about being the steal of the entire 2010 draft, you weren't even the steal of the Steelers 2010 draft. Heck, you weren't even the team's best 6th round draft choice that year. That distinction belongs to Antonio Brown. And in case you haven't noticed, Brown is the Redman of the Steelers wide receivers. Sure, you're the only one of the three who has even played in the NFL, but at 229 pounds, you're dangerously close to Redman's 230. And since he fills the team role as "running back who doesn't dance around like that Mendenhall," there isn't a need for another. The last thing you want to do is threaten Sir Isaac's spot on the roster. That's no way to endear yourself to the fans. Yes, you did have that 76 yard run in the Titans game last year, but you didn't score, and don't think that Steelers fans will just let that go. Sure, Redman got caught at the goal line in the playoff game in Denver last year, but when he gets caught from behind, it shows character. When you get caught from behind, it shows that you're slow and fat. Maybe, like Batch, some non-football type of talent will help endear you to the fans. Do you blog? Maybe you're a closet stand-up comedian. If you can do a mean Mike Tomlin impression, now's the time to let that puppy out of the bag.

Baron Batch

You quickly became everyone's darling last year, and for good reason. The things that you had to overcome just to make it to Texas Tech were truly amazing. And as I mentioned earlier, you're an awesome blogger, and we at BTSC can certainly appreciate that. Steelers fans quickly fell in love with your inspirational stories and your charismatic personality. And once training camp got underway, and you showed your potential, we couldn't wait to see what you had in store for us once the real games started. Unfortunately, you blew out your knee near the end of camp, and you were forced to miss the entire 2011 season. This wasn't necessarily a bad thing, at least in terms of your legend. They say absence makes the heart grow fonder, and your absence from the 2011 roster only made Steelers fans want to see you in action even more. I'd say you're the odds on favorite to truly win our hearts. However, you must be careful with this whole blogging phenomenon. The injury and your continued excellent blogging worked in your favor last year, but another injury could lead to fans calling talk shows and asking, "Don't you think the constant blogging is causing Batch's muscles to atrophy? Do you think that's why he's so injury prone? Isn't there a clause in his contract that states that he must wear a helmet when he blogs?" Also, every blogger must beware of the potential for carpel tunnel syndrome. If it can pose a danger to your average secretary, imagine what it can do to a running back who specializes in catching passes out of the backfield.

Chris Rainey

You, sir, are the newest "running back who was a late round steal," and much like the youngest sibling who gets away with more, this could work to your advantage. You'll obviously have at least one year to prove you were worth the 5th round pick that the Steelers spent on you. The only problem is you're extremely fast. You might be thinking that will work to your advantage. But you're not from around here. You don't know Steelers fans. In Steeler Country, a back who runs a 4.3 40 is someone who should be a receiver, especially if he is only 5'8 and 180 pounds. Even if you break off a 90 yard run, unless you run over a few defenders, it probably won't impress us very much. Just ask Willie Parker. From what I've heard and read, you are pretty funny and quick-witted. This could win you some fans, but it could also work against you. When things are going well, you're quick-witted and a good sound-byte that reporters will naturally gravitate to. However, when a reporter asks you for the 1000th time if you'd benefit from a move to receiver, you could quickly become "bitter and sarcastic" if you answer the question with any sort of venom. Also, I'd get rid of your Twitter account if I were you. Trust me. No amount of speed will be able to out-run a controversial Tweet.

Well, there you have it. Which one of these guys has what it takes to win us over and increase his chances of making the team? Only time will tell.

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[Slapstick]

Ha-ha. I almost peed in my pants laughing at that...:rolleyes:

[Eich]

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

PS....Todd Haley, the Rooney's, and Mike Tomlin have played the same number of games in the NFL that I have.

Why does anyone think that you have to PLAY the game to be successful coaching or running a team? It's absurd. In fact, in many cases, I'd rather have someone who has NEVER played but really understands the principles. Jocks don't always make the brightest coaching or ownership prospects. Jeff Reid has played in a lot of games. Don't think I want him running the Steelers in any fashion.

That line of thinking reminds me of companies that don't give people without college degrees a chance to move up when you have guys like Michael Dell, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that didn't graduate from college but went on to prove themselves to be very intelligent and have knack for their passion.

[Crash]

Why does anyone think that you have to PLAY the game to be successful coaching or running a team? It's absurd.

Agreed. But apparently to many on this board, it means a lot.

[Slapstick]

That line of thinking reminds me of companies that don't give people without college degrees a chance to move up when you have guys like Michael Dell, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that didn't graduate from college but went on to prove themselves to be very intelligent and have knack for their passion.

Correct. And, guys like Art Rooney II, Mike Tomlin and even Todd Haley have proven themselves as more than capable...

You don't prove yourself with 4,000+ message board posts...

[Crash]

Correct. And, guys like Art Rooney II, Mike Tomlin and even Todd Haley have proven themselves as more than capable...

You don't prove yourself with 4,000+ message board posts...

Other than being born a Rooney what are Art's qualifications to make football related decisions?

[feltdizz]

Other than being born a Rooney what are Art's qualifications to make football related decisions?

his title and work history...

[Crash]

his title and work history...

Chuck Noll has a "title" in the current front office as well.

He adds NOTHING to this football team, and hasn't since the day he walked out.

Art was in private law practice for 20 freaking years, and had a future in politics all lined up.

That doesn't make him qualified to make football decisions for this team. Sorry.

[Slapstick]

Art was in private law practice for 20 freaking years, and had a future in politics all lined up.

That doesn't make him qualified to make football decisions for this team. Sorry.

But, the two SB rings he earned as president sure do...

[Crash]

But, the two SB rings he earned as president sure do...

Art JUNIOR was "Vice President". A nice title. He has 6 rings.

He hasn't done ANYTHING for this team since the day Dan fired him.

If Art II is telling Ben (or any player) how to play their position? That's wrong, and it's laughable.

He's not qualified.

[Slapstick]

Art JUNIOR was "Vice President". A nice title. He has 6 rings.

He hasn't done ANYTHING for this team since the day Dan fired him.

If Art II is telling Ben (or any player) how to play their position? That's wrong, and it's laughable.

He's not qualified.

Now, you're just being irrational...

You know who has had something to do with the team since becoming president?

Art Rooney II...

If you are going to put Art Jr.'s contributions on par with AR II over the last ten years, you are simply being ridiculous and ignoring facts on purpose...

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised...

[Crash]

Now, you're just being irrational...

You know who has had something to do with the team since becoming president?

Art Rooney II...

If you are going to put Art Jr.'s contributions on par with AR II over the last ten years, you are simply being ridiculous and ignoring facts on purpose...

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised...

But Art Jr. is Vice President! He has the title, and the rings does he not? Surely he has SOMETHING to do with our success, correct?

Like I told you guys if this were Jones or Snyder you guys would be RIPPING them for their meddling into football decisions.

Why does Art get a pass?

If Art wants to be a GM wanna-be? Fire Colbert and let him go to a team that allows him to do his job.

[Slapstick]

Irrational...

[Crash]

Logical....

And if Art II forced Haley on Tomlin? We'll see how "anxious" Tomlin is to extending his contract as well.

[RuthlessBurgher]

http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Eich http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=511677#post511677)
Why does anyone think that you have to PLAY the game to be successful coaching or running a team? It's absurd.


Agreed. But apparently to many on this board, it means a lot.

WHAT?!?! YOU are the person on here who apparently thinks you need to play in the NFL to coach or run an NFL team. Now I'm really confused...

[Crash]

http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Eich http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=511677#post511677)
Why does anyone think that you have to PLAY the game to be successful coaching or running a team? It's absurd.



WHAT?!?! YOU are the person on here who apparently thinks you need to play in the NFL to coach or run an NFL team. Now I'm really confused...

Nope. All I hear is how I haven't played in the NFL so I can't be qualified to run a team like Haley, Tomlin, or the Saintly Rooney's.

But here's the catch, they haven't played in the NFL either.

[Oviedo]

Do the things being said just get dumber and dumber to anyone else?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Do the things being said just get dumber and dumber to anyone else?

Not just dumb and dumber...dumberer seems to have made an appearance as well.

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[hawaiiansteel]

Pittsburgh Steelers: Rookie Chris Rainey can be Electric Weapon in Todd Haley's Offense

Saturday, June 30, 2012
by Seth Austin - NFL Writer

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In his first season as the Pittsburgh Steelers' offensive coordinator, Todd Haley will be looking to add some wrinkles to the offense to make things more electric.

Of course, Pittsburgh is fighting to bring back speedster Mike Wallace to their receiving corps to pair with Antonio Brown and added Leonard Pope as a red zone tight end threat. However, with Rashard Mendenhall absent from the backfield due to injury, the Steelers could use a little flash in the running game.

After Mendenhall, who has some ability to scamper, the Steelers' backfield includes Isaac Redman, Jonathan Dwyer, John Clay and Baron Batch, none of whom are especially speedy backs for Haley's system. So in the fifth round of April's draft, the Steelers brought in Florida running back Chris Rainey, who could make a living by being fast.

In his first of two years as a head coach in Kansas City, Haley found success with Jamaal Charles, who is a shiftier back. Haley also drafted multi-purpose weapon Dexter McCluster, who we only got a brief glimpse of in Haley's system. However, it is likely that Haley envisioned a role for McCluster that closely resembles the one Darren Sproles played in New Orleans last season.

Now Haley might have an opportunity to bring the Steelers their own version of Sproles.

Both Sproles and Rainey are undersized backs (Rainey is 5'9", 175 lbs.) that are known primarily for their speed (Rainey was clocked in with a low of a 4.32 in the forty-yard dash).

In New Orleans' pass-heavy system, Sproles managed to rack up 2,696 all-purpose yards and ten touchdowns. Sproles also had 710 receiving yards and 7 touchdowns through the air last year while being utilized primarily in the short passing game.

If Haley is expected to utilize Ben Roethlisberger as much as possible and keep Pittsburgh trending toward being a pass-heavy team, Rainey could be used in the exact same manner. Over his career at Florida, Rainey had 69 receptions for 795 yards and six touchdowns.

Another area where Rainey could be an advantage is on special teams. His speed definitely makes him an asset and it will also allow Brown to be used less and less in that role as he grows as a weapon on offense.

The possibilities are truly endless with a talent like Rainey and it will be interesting to see how Haley and the Steelers coaching staff plan to use him in 2012.

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/06/edited-kris-qc-pittsburgh-steelers_29.html