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hawaiiansteel
06-01-2012, 12:23 AM
Report: Future RFA Antonio Brown Plans On Taking Different Path Than Mike Wallace

Thursday, May 31st, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown let be known that he has no intentions of holding out next year as a restricted free agent according to a blog post by Ed Bouchette today. Bouchette quoted Brown as saying, "Whatever the case may be, I plan on being here."

Browns, like fellow wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders, is entering the final year of his rookie contract and figures to be in the same situation as Mike Wallace was this off-season. Should Brown follow up his break out season of 2011 with another similar type one in 2012, the Steelers will be forced to use a first round tender on him, just as they did with Wallace.

While it looks unlikely right now, the Steelers could decide to try to lock up Brown long term prior to the start of the 2012 season. If that were to happen, it would figure to go down after the final cut-downs take place, as there could be some wiggle room should players like Jonathan Scott and Will Allen not make the final 53 man roster. Those two players alone would clear nearly $3.5 million in 2012 salary cap space.

Before anything happens though with Brown, the Steelers main focus will continue to be getting a long term deal done with Wallace, who has yet to sign his one-year tender offer of $2.742 million. If the Steelers think Brown fits into their long-term plans, and there is no reason to think that he doesn't, it would be smart, and cheaper, to try to lock him up now if they have the cap room to do so.

Sanders is a different story as he will have to show in 2012 that he can stay on the field and that the problems with his feet and knees are in the past. Sanders told the media earlier this week that he is 100% and that the injuries are behind him now. He had a great performance against the Denver Broncos in the AFC Championship game last year and figures to play a much larger role in the offense in 2012. He most definitely will not be extended prior to the start of the season and will be prime candidate for an original round or first round restricted tender next off-season depending on the type of year that he has.

Brown certainly has said and done all of the right things ever since he was drafted by the Steelers and his Thursday comments that Bouchette reported are very encouraging in light of what is currently going on with Wallace. A lot can happen between now and next off-season, but I take Brown at his word.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/report_future_rfa_antonio_brown_plans_on_taking_di fferent_path_than_mike_wallace/10915706

Crash
06-01-2012, 12:30 AM
I think he'll be here too. But if he changes agents at some point? I'd say he's holding out.

Crash
06-01-2012, 12:31 AM
They should first round tender both of them if healthy and playing well. That's chump change to keep them together.

hawaiiansteel
06-01-2012, 03:31 AM
WRs Brown, Sanders may be in holdout mode next spring

June 1, 2012
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


There might be two Steelers receivers in holdout mode next spring as Antonio Brown, pictured, and Emmanuel Sanders will be in the same contract position Mike Wallace is in now.

The spring holdout of Mike Wallace could be nothing compared to the potential absences at wide receiver a year from now when both Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders find themselves in the same situation as restricted free agents.

Wallace may be paving the way for the duo in his struggles to negotiate a long-term contract with the Steelers above the $2.74 million one-year contract tender he has declined to sign. Indeed, Brown said he is taking notes and learning from Wallace's actions, and he has come to a conclusion.

"Whatever the case may be, I plan on being here," Brown said Thursday as the Steelers hit the halfway point of their spring practices with two more weeks to go.

There is conjecture that one reason the Steelers and Wallace have not come to terms on a multiple-year contract is Brown, who nearly matched Wallace's production in the last season and joined him in the Pro Bowl.

Whatever the Steelers might pay Wallace, that theory goes, would set the bar for what Brown -- and perhaps Sanders -- would expect in 2013.

Brown started only three games but had a phenomenal second half of last season to finish with 69 receptions for 1,108 yards, just behind Wallace's team-leading 72 catches for 1,193 yards.

Wallace, off to a hot start, tailed off in the second half last season, yet made his first Pro Bowl in his third season. Brown also made his first in his second season, but as the AFC's return specialist. He also played as a receiver after being chosen fifth overall in the balloting.

He does not offer opinions on Wallace's spring holdout but has followed it closely.
"It's definitely a learning process for me, being that I could be faced with the same circumstances next year," said Brown, a sixth-round pick in '10 from Central Michigan. "I tend to learn from it, take notes."

Sanders was projected to be the better of the two by virtue of his third-round selection by the Steelers in '10. He had a more productive rookie season than Brown with 28 receptions (16 for Brown) for 376 yards (167).

Injuries, though, cut deeply into Sanders' playing time last season, starting with surgeries on both feet more than a year ago. Another foot surgery was needed in training camp, and then knee surgery followed during the season.

"Having a great start in the National Football League on the right foot and having a great season and then coming back and having the injury bug my sophomore year was definitely frustrating," Sanders said.

He really didn't have a chance to start out on the right or left foot last year because of his injuries, but he says he is "100 percent" now, although screws remain in his feet.
If he can consistently perform the way he did in the playoff at Denver, when he led the Steelers with six receptions for 81 yards, the duo of Brown and Sanders might make the loss of Wallace not hurt so much if that happens next year.

"I definitely had a good game,'' Sanders said of the playoff loss. "I still had fluid in my knee, my foot wasn't all the way there. I don't know if that was the real me. I was fortunate to have a great game, got a lot of attempts at making plays. Now that I'm 100 percent healthy, hopefully, when the season comes, I can continue where I left off in Denver."

It is possible the little quick men like Brown and Sanders will benefit more in Todd Haley's new offense with its emphasis on releasing passes quickly. Bruce Arians enjoyed going deep -- taking our shots, he called it -- with Ben Roethlisberger to Wallace.

"That's going to be key, get the ball out fast, get it in our hands a little earlier so we can make something happen," Brown said.

Added Sanders: "We have a lot of speed at receiver, we have a lot of quick guys. If you're a DB, you'd rather play against a guy who is a little slower and a little bigger than the quick, shifty guys, and that is what we have in this receiver corps.

"As far as I know," he said, "Mike wants to be here. I don't think he's frustrated. I think that both parties definitely want him to be here. I think soon that maybe something can get done."

Quick hits

• After practice, there was a long-distance passing duel between quarterback Troy Smith and linebacker Lawrence Timmons. Timmons throws a nice long spiral and uncorked one that went about 80 yards, just a yard short of Smith's best. Smith will move on to compete next week against Byron Leftwich.

• First, Roethlisberger earned his degree from Miami University this spring and now that school will induct him into its Hall of Fame along with his former coach, the late Terry Hoeppner.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-wrs-brown-sanders-may-be-in-holdout-mode-next-spring-638467/#ixzz1wW5gTfh2

Oviedo
06-01-2012, 08:02 AM
This is exactly why you can't "break the bank" on Wallace. We have three good WRs we need to retain and Brown may already be better than Wallace in terms of being a complete WR. From a business standpoint you can't let Wallace set a high number that then becomes the benchmark for the other two.

From a personal viewpoint I still believe that Brown is the better choice long-term.

flippy
06-01-2012, 08:18 AM
This is exactly why you can't "break the bank" on Wallace. We have three good WRs we need to retain and Brown may already be better than Wallace in terms of being a complete WR. From a business standpoint you can't let Wallace set a high number that then becomes the benchmark for the other two.

From a personal viewpoint I still believe that Brown is the better choice long-term.

I still think Sanders can potentially be the most complete WR of the 3. The good thing is they all have a unique skill set.

Wallace has the speed.
Brown has the explosion and hands.
Sanders has the polish and route running.

The interesting thing is we don't need all 3. Cotchery is a great WR. Rainey might be able to become a #3 in time. I don't know that the Steelers should tie up so much money in Wallace and Brown.

steelblood
06-01-2012, 09:09 AM
If I'm the Steelers and Wallace looks unlikely to sign long term, I cut Will Allen and approach Brown in camp about a reasonable extension in exchange for decent guaranteed money in case he is injured. A 5 year 25 million dollar contract could be done with 10 or 12 million guaranteed. It sounds like a terrible deal for Brown (who might be able to make 9 or 10 million a year or so after next season), but if you look at what he will make this year and next year under the first round tender it only comes out to a little over 3 million dollars. He might take such a deal as it would change his life now and offer him some insurance in case he is injured.

Oviedo
06-01-2012, 10:36 AM
If I'm the Steelers and Wallace looks unlikely to sign long term, I cut Will Allen and approach Brown in camp about a reasonable extension in exchange for decent guaranteed money in case he is injured. A 5 year 25 million dollar contract could be done with 10 or 12 million guaranteed. It sounds like a terrible deal for Brown (who might be able to make 9 or 10 million a year or so after next season), but if you look at what he will make this year and next year under the first round tender it only comes out to a little over 3 million dollars. He might take such a deal as it would change his life now and offer him some insurance in case he is injured.

I think 5 years for $30M is fair with half guaranteeed. When you start talking above $8M per then you lose me immediately and I say trade him and get value back like the Patriots always seem to do as they stockpile draft picks.

grotonsteel
06-01-2012, 11:33 AM
I still think Sanders can potentially be the most complete WR of the 3. The good thing is they all have a unique skill set.

Wallace has the speed.
Brown has the explosion and hands.
Sanders has the polish and route running.

The interesting thing is we don't need all 3. Cotchery is a great WR. Rainey might be able to become a #3 in time. I don't know that the Steelers should tie up so much money in Wallace and Brown.

I think this will be a make or break year for Sanders. I also believe Steelers are waiting to see if Sanders can step up. If he can then i think either Wallace or AB will be let go.

Sanders should sign for cheap.

steelz09
06-01-2012, 11:54 AM
Might be stating the obvious but I would rather have Brown and Sanders then sign Wallace for huge money and potentially lose both Brown and Sanders.

Oviedo
06-01-2012, 12:38 PM
Might be stating the obvious but I would rather have Brown and Sanders then sign Wallace for huge money and potentially lose both Brown and Sanders.

I could not have expressed my own feelings any better than what you just typed.

flippy
06-01-2012, 01:14 PM
Might be stating the obvious but I would rather have Brown and Sanders then sign Wallace for huge money and potentially lose both Brown and Sanders.

What if the Steelers just extended Brown and Sanders and told Mike they did it cause those guys showed up. And then told Mike, there's not as much money left over for you, so we recommend you sign a reasonable deal now. And remind him they're comfortable with Cotchery.

flippy
06-01-2012, 01:15 PM
What if the Steelers just extended Brown and Sanders and told Mike they did it cause those guys showed up. And then told Mike, there's not as much money left over for you, so we recommend you sign a reasonable deal now. And remind him they're comfortable with Cotchery.

Also should mention, the Steelers can screw him with a contract this year and a franchise tag next.

RuthlessBurgher
06-01-2012, 03:54 PM
Amongst all this anti-Wallace sentiment that is seemingly en vogue with Steeler fans these days, I'll stick to my guns in proclaiming that Wallace is still more valuable than Brown. I like Brown, and certainly want to keep him, but there are numerous guys around the league that can do what Brown does. We let Nate Washington walk once upon a time, and he had an Antonio Brown like season with significantly inferior quarterbacking (74-1023-7 for Nate, 69-1108-2 for Brown...I prefer Nate's stat line, since our 21st scoring offense could have used 5 more receiving TD's). On the other hand, no one else can offer the unique dimension that Wallace gives us. There are other fast guys in the league, but not to the tune of 171-3206-24 in their first 3 seasons in the league. Wallace is the one who is opening up things for Brown. Brown is solid...Wallace is spectacular.

Crash
06-01-2012, 03:58 PM
Wallace is more Nate Washington than Brown is. All Wallace gets is more touches than Nate did.

Brown is more Santonio Holmes like. More well rounded than Wallace.

hawaiiansteel
06-01-2012, 08:43 PM
Friday, 01 June 2012 08:28

Written by Ed Bouchette

--- And here is Antonio Brown on that offense: “We can be really good. It’ll start with blocking and making plays, run to set up the pass. We’re the ones to move the chains,’’ he said of the receivers. “but if the run is working, you got to do what you got to do to win.”

--- Emmanuel Sanders on Todd Haley’s offense: “It’s definitely fun for a young guy like me. I was only in Bruce Arians’ system two years so the change wasn’t that a big of a deal for me. But for Ben, a guy who has been in the NFL for nine years and been in the same offense, I can understand why it’s a little difficult. We’re definitely having fun. At the end of the day we have a new OC and we have to learn our plays in order to win next year and we have to complete passes, that is our goal.

--- They are lining up tight ends all over the place in practices.

Heath Miller said, ‘I do know we’ve been asked to do a lot of things right now, whether it be out of the backfield, split out, normal tight end stuff. It’s exciting for us as a group.”

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/i...g-good-on-ward

Crash
06-01-2012, 08:59 PM
It’ll start with blocking and making plays, run to set up the pass.

That's five.

You guys still going to tell me how wrong I am? We should fire Tomlin and hire Cowher or Marty and make it official.

flippy
06-01-2012, 10:41 PM
Amongst all this anti-Wallace sentiment that is seemingly en vogue with Steeler fans these days, I'll stick to my guns in proclaiming that Wallace is still more valuable than Brown. I like Brown, and certainly want to keep him, but there are numerous guys around the league that can do what Brown does. We let Nate Washington walk once upon a time, and he had an Antonio Brown like season with significantly inferior quarterbacking (74-1023-7 for Nate, 69-1108-2 for Brown...I prefer Nate's stat line, since our 21st scoring offense could have used 5 more receiving TD's). On the other hand, no one else can offer the unique dimension that Wallace gives us. There are other fast guys in the league, but not to the tune of 171-3206-24 in their first 3 seasons in the league. Wallace is the one who is opening up things for Brown. Brown is solid...Wallace is spectacular.

I see it the opposite and think Wallace is Nate Washington II. Similar hands, similar speed, can't be covered deep.

Brown is the unique player. He's explosive like Steve Smith (Carolina) and has hands like Chris Carter. And I don't know this for sure, but he seems like the one willing to put in the work to be great.

And at this level, the athleticism becomes so close that difference between good and great usually comes down to who's mentally stronger. And that's where AB has the biggest edge and upside.

If Wallace is so much better, why didn't he get the nod of team MVP?

NJ-STEELER
06-02-2012, 02:23 AM
why the heck would sanders hold out for?

whats he done except collect a paycheck for being hurt most of his career

NJ-STEELER
06-02-2012, 02:25 AM
Amongst all this anti-Wallace sentiment that is seemingly en vogue with Steeler fans these days, I'll stick to my guns in proclaiming that Wallace is still more valuable than Brown. I like Brown, and certainly want to keep him, but there are numerous guys around the league that can do what Brown does. We let Nate Washington walk once upon a time, and he had an Antonio Brown like season with significantly inferior quarterbacking (74-1023-7 for Nate, 69-1108-2 for Brown...I prefer Nate's stat line, since our 21st scoring offense could have used 5 more receiving TD's). On the other hand, no one else can offer the unique dimension that Wallace gives us. There are other fast guys in the league, but not to the tune of 171-3206-24 in their first 3 seasons in the league. Wallace is the one who is opening up things for Brown. Brown is solid...Wallace is spectacular.......

agreed

papillon
06-02-2012, 06:44 AM
Amongst all this anti-Wallace sentiment that is seemingly en vogue with Steeler fans these days, I'll stick to my guns in proclaiming that Wallace is still more valuable than Brown. I like Brown, and certainly want to keep him, but there are numerous guys around the league that can do what Brown does. We let Nate Washington walk once upon a time, and he had an Antonio Brown like season with significantly inferior quarterbacking (74-1023-7 for Nate, 69-1108-2 for Brown...I prefer Nate's stat line, since our 21st scoring offense could have used 5 more receiving TD's). On the other hand, no one else can offer the unique dimension that Wallace gives us. There are other fast guys in the league, but not to the tune of 171-3206-24 in their first 3 seasons in the league. Wallace is the one who is opening up things for Brown. Brown is solid...Wallace is spectacular.

I don't agree that Wallace opened it up for Brown, because it seems that Wallace was covered by the defenses in basically the same fashion all year. After game 8 he disappeared and Brown finished strong. Defensive coordinators are smart guys and if they see someone lighting it up they are going to try and cover him (Brown) and make someone else beat them. I'm not sure why the drop off in production for Wallace in games 9 thru 16 and the playoff game, but guys like Fitz, Johnson, Johnson, etc deal with this all the time and they are perennial pro-bowlers and all-pros. In an era where 5 or 6 receiving options are available on many plays you don't need a superstar receiver, just a lot of good ones.

Colleges are turning out more polished receivers every year due to the paradigm change in the way NFL offenses are constructed and being run. It won't be hard to stock your receiver pool with an adequate number of good receivers in the draft, because of the development of receivers in college. I don't hate Wallace, but I'd rather have Brown, Sanders and Cotchery together for a longer period of time than Wallace, Brown and Sanders for a year or two because the Steelers open the vault to Wallace and they can't sign the others.

Of course, over the next 2-3 years, injuries, retirements, etc could change the Steeler cap situation, there is a great unknown about the future.

Pappy

BradshawsHairdresser
06-02-2012, 10:08 AM
I don't agree that Wallace opened it up for Brown, because it seems that Wallace was covered by the defenses in basically the same fashion all year. After game 8 he disappeared and Brown finished strong. Defensive coordinators are smart guys and if they see someone lighting it up they are going to try and cover him (Brown) and make someone else beat them. I'm not sure why the drop off in production for Wallace in games 9 thru 16 and the playoff game, but guys like Fitz, Johnson, Johnson, etc deal with this all the time and they are perennial pro-bowlers and all-pros. In an era where 5 or 6 receiving options are available on many plays you don't need a superstar receiver, just a lot of good ones.

Colleges are turning out more polished receivers every year due to the paradigm change in the way NFL offenses are constructed and being run. It won't be hard to stock your receiver pool with an adequate number of good receivers in the draft, because of the development of receivers in college. I don't hate Wallace, but I'd rather have Brown, Sanders and Cotchery together for a longer period of time than Wallace, Brown and Sanders for a year or two because the Steelers open the vault to Wallace and they can't sign the others.

Of course, over the next 2-3 years, injuries, retirements, etc could change the Steeler cap situation, there is a great unknown about the future.

Pappy

Excellent post.

Shoe
06-02-2012, 10:22 AM
AB is no sure thing though, in terms of his value as a player. He has a lot still to prove. He had a very good year this year, for sure. But it is only one year. If he comes back and say, gets like 800 yards (which may be likely, considering a new offense), then what?

You do also have to consider Wallace's role in his success. I happen to think AB is a player in his own right, but only the coaches know how much Wallace's presence helped him. It (Wallace) did help Hines extend his career a year or two.

RuthlessBurgher
06-02-2012, 02:11 PM
If Wallace is so much better, why didn't he get the nod of team MVP?

Because Brown got 1000+ receiving yards and 1000+ return yards to set the team record for most total yards in a season. This year, Brown will be focusing on being a WR only, giving up return duties to the likes of Sanders or Rainey, so he won't be team MVP again.

In terms of Brown, you mentioned that he's similar to Steve Smith...you could also mention a few others like Wes Welker, Victor Cruz, Percy Harvin, etc. Antonio is working his way up into that class of receiver. Brown is trying to catch up to those guys.

In terms of Wallace, there are several guys who are trying to be like Wallace, but Wallace is still the gold standard. Desean Jackson, Torrey Smith, and Darius Heyward-Bey have similar skill sets to Wallace, but haven't been nearly as productive as Wallace up to this point. Those guys are trying to catch up to Wallace.

Neither Wallace nor Brown is in the "complete package" level of receiver like Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, or Andre Johnson. Those man-beasts are in a league of their own. Wallace is smart to use those types of contracts as his starting point in an effort to maximize his ultimate deal, but we all know that the finished product will not resemble the insane $100+ million deals of Fitz or Megatron. It will ultimately look more like the Vincent Jackson/Stevie Johnson/Desean Jackson contracts signed this offseason (but structured as such to help out our current cap situation until the cap is expected to rise when the new TV contracts kick in).

hawaiiansteel
06-05-2012, 04:51 PM
No pressure on Brown

June 4, 2012
Teresa Varley - Steelers.com

Wide receiver Antonio Brown was voted the Steelers MVP last season, but said winning that honor hasn’t put any more pressure on him this year.

“I wouldn’t say pressure,” said Brown, who has been at the team’s practice facility since voluntary workouts began on April 16. “Every year you want to study tape, study yourself and get better from it. All I want to do is get better from last year and do more than I did last year.

“I just have to work within myself to be better. I just have to take care of my game.”

Brown, who finished the 2011 season with 69 receptions for 1,108 yards and two touchdowns, knows that this offseason is pivotal with new offensive coordinator Todd Haley and that OTAs are more valuable than ever this year.

“It’s going to be key for us guys to get in and start studying so we can get on the same page and talk the same language,” said Brown. “It’s going to be special. Guys are here now working out to get the ball rolling. We have to build off it as we head to training camp.”

http://www.steelers.com/news/article...b-d02ce3a86dc7 (http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/No-pressure-on-Brown/40b91cf5-d4ee-40df-90db-d02ce3a86dc7)

Oviedo
06-05-2012, 05:08 PM
Brown will have a better season than Wallace this year because the type of offense that haley runs will be better suited to Brown's abilities than the go vertical approach that Arians had. IMO there will be more focus on short to mid-range patterns that Brown is very good at. Haley clearly wants to protect Ben by getting the ball out of his hand quickly. That works against the longer to develop deep routes that Wallace typically is assigned.

Plus Brown is actually at OTAs learning the offense and getting hands on reps.

RuthlessBurgher
06-05-2012, 06:07 PM
Brown will have a better season than Wallace this year because the type of offense that haley runs will be better suited to Brown's abilities than the go vertical approach that Arians had. IMO there will be more focus on short to mid-range patterns that Brown is very good at. Haley clearly wants to protect Ben by getting the ball out of his hand quickly. That works against the longer to develop deep routes that Wallace typically is assigned.

Plus Brown is actually at OTAs learning the offense and getting hands on reps.

Players also noted a greater focus on the play action passing game, which should buy time for Ben to hit Wallace deep.

hawaiiansteel
06-05-2012, 06:45 PM
Steelers, Ravens have 'matchup-busters'

June, 5, 2012
By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com

When it comes to the wide receivers who play their best against the best, the Pittsburgh Steelers are at the top of the class in the division and perhaps the league. However, ESPN Insider K.C. Joyner adds the Ravens' wide receivers into that mix as well.

The starters for both the Steelers and the Ravens rank in the top 12 of Joyner's "matchup-busting" wide receivers, which is based on the best yards-per-attempt average against the defensive backs he rates as the best in the league.

You'll need a subscription to view the entire Insider piece , but here's a portion of what Joyner had to say about the receivers in the division:

Mike Wallace, Steelers (10.2 yards per attempt against top cornerbacks): If you're wondering whether Wallace is worth a huge contract, look no further than this metric.

Antonio Brown, Steelers (9.5 YPA): It will be difficult for the Steelers to keep both Brown and Wallace, but they would retain possibly the best matchup-buster wide receiver tandem in the NFL.

Anquan Boldin, Ravens (9.1 YPA): Boldin has struggled in this metric in past years, so his showing here indicates he stepped up his game last season.

Torrey Smith, Ravens (8.7 YPA): The AFC North has a reputation for being a run-first division but the combination of Smith, Boldin, Wallace and Brown gives this division a compelling argument for having the best group of matchup-buster wide receivers of any division in the NFL.

The Bengals' A.J. Green surprisingly didn't make the cut. His 7.7 YPA put him in the honorable mention category.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/49054/steelers-ravens-have-matchup-busters

hawaiiansteel
06-07-2012, 01:41 PM
Steelers can put the screws to Mike Wallace in eight days

Posted by Mike Florio on June 7, 2012

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mikewallace-500x302.jpg?w=250

Steelers receiver Mike Wallace, who reportedly won’t sign his $2.7 million restricted free agency tender until he has to, likely will have to in the next week or so.

If he doesn’t by June 15, the Steelers can replace his current offer with a tender in the amount of 110 percent of Wallace’s base salary in 2011. And since he received a base salary of $525,000 as a third-year pro in 2011, the Steelers will be able to retain his rights for all of 2012 for a mere $577,500.

The authority comes from Article 9, Section 2(f)(i) of the CBA. Though the reduction wouldn’t happen automatically, the Steelers would have the right to do it, if the Steelers so choose. And the window is open for only one day, so they can’t hold it over Wallace’s head in the hopes of getting him to sign a long-term deal.

If Wallace is willing to give up more than $2 million by holding out beyond June 15, there’s a good chance Wallace will hold out into the regular season. After losing more than $2 million by not signing before June 15, losing only $33,970 per week would be peanuts.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/steelers-can-put-the-screws-to-mike-wallace-in-eight-days/

Crash
06-07-2012, 01:49 PM
Unless Colbert's a liar he supposedly has stated they won't do that to Wallace as a show of "good faith".

NJ-STEELER
06-07-2012, 05:55 PM
wow. in that sig pic, brown looks really small. isnt he listed as 5-10??

he looks a lot smaller then that in that pic

DukieBoy
06-07-2012, 06:31 PM
Wallace and Brown can help each other become superstars and multiple ring wearers each, if they stay together. If one gets a huge contract and it makes signing the other too difficult, then it could hurt them both. Here's hoping they work together, and with the Steelers, to stay together here for a long time.

RuthlessBurgher
06-07-2012, 08:05 PM
wow. in that sig pic, brown looks really small. isnt he listed as 5-10??

he looks a lot smaller then that in that pic

Yeah, and Fitz is 6'3" so he's 5 inches taller than Brown (plus Brown is in the midst of what appears to be a belly laugh, so you tend to bend over a bit when you do that). Wallace is 6', but looks bigger because he is in the foreground.

Oviedo
06-08-2012, 08:02 AM
Wallace and Brown can help each other become superstars and multiple ring wearers each, if they stay together. If one gets a huge contract and it makes signing the other too difficult, then it could hurt them both. Here's hoping they work together, and with the Steelers, to stay together here for a long time.



Exactly. It's about doing what is best for the TEAM not one player. The front office will not forget that as easily as Wallace has.

Jooser
06-08-2012, 09:34 AM
Exactly. It's about doing what is best for the TEAM not one player. The front office will not forget that as easily as Wallace has.

What? Are you kidding? I'm sure that's never occurred the two-bit lawyer running this team, and who the heck is he to make a football decision anyways? ;)

Oviedo
06-08-2012, 12:08 PM
What? Are you kidding? I'm sure that's never occurred the two-bit lawyer running this team, and who the heck is he to make a football decision anyways? ;)

I guess you are right. Temporary insanity on my part

Crash
06-08-2012, 12:30 PM
Exactly. It's about doing what is best for the TEAM not one player. The front office will not forget that as easily as Wallace has.

Wallace has done nothing wrong...he's unsigned per the agreement of the CBA.

He doesn't HAVE to sign that tender.

Crash
06-08-2012, 12:31 PM
What? Are you kidding? I'm sure that's never occurred the two-bit lawyer running this team, and who the heck is he to make a football decision anyways? ;)

Then send Colbert on his way.

If Art wants to be like Jerry Jones. That's fine. He can do that.

Just don't make Kevin Colbert a puppet in the process.

Jooser
06-08-2012, 12:46 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! You're killing me.

Oviedo
06-08-2012, 01:11 PM
Wallace has done nothing wrong...he's unsigned per the agreement of the CBA.

He doesn't HAVE to sign that tender.

Guess he feels he doesn't have to learn the new offense either. That is why Antonio Brown will surpass him on the field this year and why Brown is the one we should keep.

Crash
06-08-2012, 01:17 PM
He has his play-book. That's all he really needs.

hawaiiansteel
06-18-2012, 09:34 PM
that's pretty impressive when jerry Rice rates you as one of the best young WRs in the league...


Ranking the NFL's top young wide receivers

By Marc Sessler
June 16, 2012

With Miles Austin in the house, Dez Bryant might not be the best receiver on the Dallas Cowboys, even if the team insists otherwise.

Hall of Fame wideout Jerry Rice sees what most of us see, a great talent in the making, if Bryant wants to be.

"I had a chance to meet this guy in Dallas and he's a humongous receiver," Rice said on ESPN's "NFL Live" this week, per The Dallas Morning News. "If he can get his head on straight, Tony Romo's going to look for him more and they're going to be incredible out on the football field."

Rice included Bryant, 23, on his list of the top six NFL receivers under the age of 26.

Rice listed his six-pack in alphabetical order, but we'll take a shot at ranking his picks from top to bottom:

1. Victor Cruz (25), New York Giants: Strangely, the oldest of the bunch, but Cruz has quickly become the game's most exciting slot receiver.

2. A.J. Green (23), Cincinnati Bengals: Completely transformed Cincy's offense and should only improve after a full offseason with Andy Dalton.

3. Dez Bryant (23): Does he want to be a great player? It's tough to rank him this high until we know the answer. He has all the potential to lead Dallas out of the woods.

4. Percy Harvin (24), Minnesota Vikings: I want to rank Harvin higher. He means so much to the Vikings, but durability remains an issue.

5. Antonio Brown (23), Pittsburgh Steelers: Reliable and productive. Ben Roethlisberger knows he can count on Brown's hands time and again.

6. Julio Jones (24), Atlanta Falcons: The Falcons sold the house to acquire Jones and he didn't disappoint. He'll be leaned on heavily in 2012.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829e22f4/article/ranking-the-nfls-top-young-wide-receivers

papillon
06-18-2012, 10:47 PM
that's pretty impressive when jerry Rice rates you as one of the best young WRs in the league...


Ranking the NFL's top young wide receivers

By Marc Sessler
June 16, 2012

With Miles Austin in the house, Dez Bryant might not be the best receiver on the Dallas Cowboys, even if the team insists otherwise.

Hall of Fame wideout Jerry Rice sees what most of us see, a great talent in the making, if Bryant wants to be.

"I had a chance to meet this guy in Dallas and he's a humongous receiver," Rice said on ESPN's "NFL Live" this week, per The Dallas Morning News. "If he can get his head on straight, Tony Romo's going to look for him more and they're going to be incredible out on the football field."

Rice included Bryant, 23, on his list of the top six NFL receivers under the age of 26.

Rice listed his six-pack in alphabetical order, but we'll take a shot at ranking his picks from top to bottom:

1. Victor Cruz (25), New York Giants: Strangely, the oldest of the bunch, but Cruz has quickly become the game's most exciting slot receiver.

2. A.J. Green (23), Cincinnati Bengals: Completely transformed Cincy's offense and should only improve after a full offseason with Andy Dalton.

3. Dez Bryant (23): Does he want to be a great player? It's tough to rank him this high until we know the answer. He has all the potential to lead Dallas out of the woods.

4. Percy Harvin (24), Minnesota Vikings: I want to rank Harvin higher. He means so much to the Vikings, but durability remains an issue.

5. Antonio Brown (23), Pittsburgh Steelers: Reliable and productive. Ben Roethlisberger knows he can count on Brown's hands time and again.

6. Julio Jones (24), Atlanta Falcons: The Falcons sold the house to acquire Jones and he didn't disappoint. He'll be leaned on heavily in 2012.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829e22f4/article/ranking-the-nfls-top-young-wide-receivers


Hmmm...no Mike Wallace, interesting

Pappy

Oviedo
06-19-2012, 07:48 AM
Hmmm...no Mike Wallace, interesting

Pappy

Not that interesting when you recognize that Brown is the more complete package. Like I have said many times. This season will show where Wallace and Brown rank and I'm betting Brown ranks higher when all is said and done.

Sugar
06-19-2012, 02:49 PM
Not that interesting when you recognize that Brown is the more complete package. Like I have said many times. This season will show where Wallace and Brown rank and I'm betting Brown ranks higher when all is said and done.

I could easily see Brown getting more catches and Wallace getting more TD's.

ikestops85
06-19-2012, 04:40 PM
I could easily see Brown getting more catches and Wallace getting more TD's.

Exactly the way it should be. Wallace will be long ball threat and AB the intermediate guy who you better tackle as soon as he gets the ball cause if not he can burn ya. :Boobs

hawaiiansteel
07-11-2012, 07:45 PM
Steelers WR Antonio Brown: 'Working With Todd Haley at OTAs and Minicamp Was Something Special'

by Neal Coolong on Jul 10, 2012

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4617754/136322827_extra_large.jpg

If nothing else, Steelers new offensive coordinator Todd Haley has a fan in WR Antonio Brown.

So he's got that going for him. Which is nice.

Brown, appearing on Jim Rome's show, "Rome," gives Haley a lot of credit, and comes off as optimistic for the offense's chances for success under Haley.

As quoted by Pro Football Talk, Brown sees good things for the wide receivers.

"Change can be great if everyone buys in," Brown said. "We're accepting Todd Haley -- you see his history of great wide receivers. Getting a chance of working with him at OTAs and minicamp was something special."

That's definitely a good start. The speculation surrounding the offseason was QB Ben Roethlisberger's willingness to buy into Haley as the offensive coodinator. How much of that was legitimate vs. media speculation during a dead time of the news cycle remains to be seen, but what's clear is Brown went in a different direction than the team's offensive captain did.

We've endorsed Brown as a possible captain candidate in his own right (and we'll mention it again, considering today is his 24th birthday), and regardless of having played just two seasons (only one did he appear in all 16 games), his production inherently puts him into a position of leadership. He is the team's reigning MVP, after all. It's a good thing to see he's excited to follow the new direction Haley is going to lead the Steelers in 2012.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/7/10/3148647/pittsburgh-steelers-offensive-coordinator-todd-haley-antonio-brown-ben-roethlisberger

Oviedo
07-11-2012, 10:59 PM
Steelers WR Antonio Brown: 'Working With Todd Haley at OTAs and Minicamp Was Something Special'

by Neal Coolong on Jul 10, 2012

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/4617754/136322827_extra_large.jpg

If nothing else, Steelers new offensive coordinator Todd Haley has a fan in WR Antonio Brown.

So he's got that going for him. Which is nice.

Brown, appearing on Jim Rome's show, "Rome," gives Haley a lot of credit, and comes off as optimistic for the offense's chances for success under Haley.

As quoted by Pro Football Talk, Brown sees good things for the wide receivers.

"Change can be great if everyone buys in," Brown said. "We're accepting Todd Haley -- you see his history of great wide receivers. Getting a chance of working with him at OTAs and minicamp was something special."

That's definitely a good start. The speculation surrounding the offseason was QB Ben Roethlisberger's willingness to buy into Haley as the offensive coodinator. How much of that was legitimate vs. media speculation during a dead time of the news cycle remains to be seen, but what's clear is Brown went in a different direction than the team's offensive captain did.

We've endorsed Brown as a possible captain candidate in his own right (and we'll mention it again, considering today is his 24th birthday), and regardless of having played just two seasons (only one did he appear in all 16 games), his production inherently puts him into a position of leadership. He is the team's reigning MVP, after all. It's a good thing to see he's excited to follow the new direction Haley is going to lead the Steelers in 2012.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/7/10/3148647/pittsburgh-steelers-offensive-coordinator-todd-haley-antonio-brown-ben-roethlisberger

Sounds like Antonio is in the right frame of mind to have a big season. Team MVP at 24 is major kudos for him. He was real close to being the best receiver we had last season. This season he will be because he will be the best prepared.

hawaiiansteel
07-19-2012, 05:19 PM
Ask The Steelers: Antonio Brown

Posted July 18, 2012
Teresa Varley - Steelers.com


Wide Receiver Antonio Brown

Bryan Sutton, Steubenville, Ohio: What was it like having Hines Ward as a mentor?
Brown: It was special. A guy who proved his love for the game, he knows the ins and outs and was a great guy to learn from.

Dan Myers, Rochester, New York: Have you received any advice from any former Steelers receivers, guys like Lynn Swann or John Stallworth, and if so what kind and how helpful was that?
Brown: Lynn Swann told me how much the game evolved since he played it. He told me to go out and make the key catches to help our team and put us in a good position.

Will Stuhlsatz: When I think of Antonio Brown, I think of the catch on his helmet. What is the favorite moment of your Steelers career so far?
Brown: I have a couple of them. That would be one of them; it was a clinching catch against Baltimore. That was in the top five. My first play ever would be the best, my reverse against the Titans. Also the last catch to seal the victory against the Jets to go to the Super Bowl.

Tony Cameneti: Who is you're surprise breakout teammate for 2012?
Brown: Baron Batch. I want to see him do really well.

Eric Ridenour, Painesville, Ohio: Since your arrival to Pittsburgh what teammate has had the greatest impact on your career and how so?
Brown: Byron Leftwich. He is always there for me, talking to me, ever since I got drafted. He was the first guy to call me, has been a key for me. He helps me with routes and has always been there for me.

Stephen Heil, Camas, Washington: What are your thoughts on your son playing football some day?
Brown: If he wants to, but I would never force it upon him. He is an active kid and I would support him.

Kevin Gobleck, Brunswick, Ohio: What drives you to be who you are and the way you train and perform?
Brown: I know struggle. I have experienced it. I know where I want to be and I want to make things better for my kids. I have to put my heart in it and my best foot forward so they aren’t in the position I was in.

Noe Mejia, Las Cruces, New Mexico: How much have you grown as a player since your rookie year?
Brown: Where I have grown the most is my outlook of the game, my perspective, my mental approach, my spiritual approach. You have to continue to evolve as you are going forward.

Maria Clark, New York, New York: If there competition between you, Mike Wallace and Emmanuel Sanders and if so, what kind?
Brown: It’s a great competition, a friendly competition. Everybody wants to be the best. We hold each other to the best standards.

Lou Ralph, Detroit, Michigan: Seeing Hines Ward retire and having played for only the Steelers, how much would you like to have that happen to you – only one team in your career?
Brown: That is always the goal, finish where you started. It would be an amazing feeling going down as a Steeler.

Matthew Byington, Raleigh, North Carolina: How does it feel being a star drafted in the sixth round while others drafted earlier might not live up to their expectations?
Brown: It feels special. It shows the perseverance and dedication of a player coming from behind and working his way to the front.

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Ask-The-Steelers-Antonio-Brown/eac1863d-8509-4d35-82cb-f32abc22ecad

RuthlessBurgher
07-19-2012, 06:32 PM
Eric Ridenour, Painesville, Ohio: Since your arrival to Pittsburgh what teammate has had the greatest impact on your career and how so?
Brown: Byron Leftwich. He is always there for me, talking to me, ever since I got drafted. He was the first guy to call me, has been a key for me. He helps me with routes and has always been there for me.

Dude has zero starts as a Steeler...ZERO...and is still a team leader...

Eich
07-20-2012, 07:52 AM
Brown is quickly becoming one of my favorite players. I hope he sticks around for a very long time.

hawaiiansteel
07-25-2012, 02:44 PM
Steelers adjusting to new offense as camp opens

By WILL GRAVES - AP Sports Writer
July 24, 2012

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This May 22 file photo shows Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley on the first day of organized training activities at the NFL football team's facility in Pittsburgh. Five months after Haley replaced the ousted Bruce Arians, the Steelers finally get a chance to see what the former Kansas City coach brings when training camp opens on Wednesday.

PITTSBURGH (AP) — Ben Roethlisberger likens offensive coordinator Todd Haley's versatile playbook to learning a new language.

Time to see how fluent the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback — and the rest of his teammates — have become.

Five months after Haley replaced the ousted Bruce Arians, the Steelers finally get a chance to see what the former Kansas City coach brings when training camp opens on Wednesday. They dabbled with the basics during minicamp and organized team activities, putting Roethlisberger a little more at ease.

A little.

"I'm not saying I can go out and call a game myself right now," the two-time Super Bowl champion said last month. "When he calls a play, I know what's going on for the most part. So we're getting it down to figuring it out."

And they may have to begin the process without Pro Bowl wide receiver Mike Wallace, who has yet to sign his one-year tender. The speedster, entering his fourth season, would like a long-term deal. The Steelers, never fond of protracted contract negotiations, would like their big-play specialist to be in camp. Though Wallace's teammates insist he'll be at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe sooner rather than later, every day that passes without Wallace's familiar No. 17 is one that Roethlisberger will use to develop a deeper rapport with Antonio Brown, Jerricho Cotchery and Emmanuel Sanders.

"You're always going to miss something," Sanders said. "Whether it's camaraderie of the teammates or just the physical aspect of (implementing) the playbook. But Mike is one of those guys that's going to get in here and hit the ground running."

He'd be wise to hurry. For all the firepower Wallace provides, Brown became Roethlisberger's favorite target toward the end of last season. The sure-handed Brown had more receptions over the last eight weeks of the regular season — hauling in 35 to Wallace's 26 — and added five more in a wild-card playoff loss to Denver, a game in which Wallace made just three grabs for a mere 26 yards.

While Brown insists it's just a coincidence that he inherited the locker vacated by the recently retired Hines Ward, there's no mistaking the hardworking Brown is considered the most likely to fill the leadership void. It's a comparison the soft-spoken Brown tries to downplay, though he's well aware of the legacy Ward left behind following a likely Hall of Fame career.

"Hines, he's irreplaceable," Brown said. "I'm just going to do what coach (Mike) Tomlin talks about and be the next man up."

http://www.dailyamerican.com/sports/somerset/da-ot-steelers-adjusting-to-new-offense-as-camp-opens-20120724,0,277503.story

Oviedo
07-25-2012, 03:02 PM
Steelers adjusting to new offense as camp opens

By WILL GRAVES - AP Sports Writer
July 24, 2012

http://www.trbimg.com/img-500f4edb/turbine/da-ot-steelers-adjusting-to-new-offense-as-cam-001/600

This May 22 file photo shows Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley on the first day of organized training activities at the NFL football team's facility in Pittsburgh. Five months after Haley replaced the ousted Bruce Arians, the Steelers finally get a chance to see what the former Kansas City coach brings when training camp opens on Wednesday.

PITTSBURGH (AP) — Ben Roethlisberger likens offensive coordinator Todd Haley's versatile playbook to learning a new language.

Time to see how fluent the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback — and the rest of his teammates — have become.

Five months after Haley replaced the ousted Bruce Arians, the Steelers finally get a chance to see what the former Kansas City coach brings when training camp opens on Wednesday. They dabbled with the basics during minicamp and organized team activities, putting Roethlisberger a little more at ease.

A little.

"I'm not saying I can go out and call a game myself right now," the two-time Super Bowl champion said last month. "When he calls a play, I know what's going on for the most part. So we're getting it down to figuring it out."

And they may have to begin the process without Pro Bowl wide receiver Mike Wallace, who has yet to sign his one-year tender. The speedster, entering his fourth season, would like a long-term deal. The Steelers, never fond of protracted contract negotiations, would like their big-play specialist to be in camp. Though Wallace's teammates insist he'll be at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe sooner rather than later, every day that passes without Wallace's familiar No. 17 is one that Roethlisberger will use to develop a deeper rapport with Antonio Brown, Jerricho Cotchery and Emmanuel Sanders.

"You're always going to miss something," Sanders said. "Whether it's camaraderie of the teammates or just the physical aspect of (implementing) the playbook. But Mike is one of those guys that's going to get in here and hit the ground running."

He'd be wise to hurry. For all the firepower Wallace provides, Brown became Roethlisberger's favorite target toward the end of last season. The sure-handed Brown had more receptions over the last eight weeks of the regular season — hauling in 35 to Wallace's 26 — and added five more in a wild-card playoff loss to Denver, a game in which Wallace made just three grabs for a mere 26 yards.

While Brown insists it's just a coincidence that he inherited the locker vacated by the recently retired Hines Ward, there's no mistaking the hardworking Brown is considered the most likely to fill the leadership void. It's a comparison the soft-spoken Brown tries to downplay, though he's well aware of the legacy Ward left behind following a likely Hall of Fame career.

"Hines, he's irreplaceable," Brown said. "I'm just going to do what coach (Mike) Tomlin talks about and be the next man up."

http://www.dailyamerican.com/sports/somerset/da-ot-steelers-adjusting-to-new-offense-as-camp-opens-20120724,0,277503.story

Give Brown an extension and healthy raise now and worry about Wallace when he wants to come and play. Until he shows up don't even talk about Wallace let alone to him or his agent.

hawaiiansteel
07-27-2012, 07:00 PM
Mark Kaboly‏@MarkKaboly_Trib via twitter:

The Steelers offered Mike Wallace very similar deal to Antonio Brown's deal. Brown accepted, Wallace was offended.

http://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/s...84436350386176 (http://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/status/228984436350386176)

squidkid
07-27-2012, 07:54 PM
Mark Kaboly‏@MarkKaboly_Trib via twitter:

The Steelers offered Mike Wallace very similar deal to Antonio Brown's deal. Brown accepted, Wallace was offended.

http://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/s...84436350386176 (http://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/status/228984436350386176)


if that is indeed true, i wonder if there will be any hard feelings towards wallace from brown?
'hmm, wallace thinks he is so much better than me'

hawaiiansteel
07-27-2012, 08:01 PM
if that is indeed true, i wonder if there will be any hard feelings towards wallace from brown?
'hmm, wallace thinks he is so much better than me'

actually, i was thinking there might now be hard feelings the other way around from wallace towards brown since this makes it less likely that wallace gets his big $ long-term contract from the Steelers...

Slapstick
07-27-2012, 08:42 PM
actually, i was thinking there might now be hard feelings the other way around from wallace towards brown since this makes it less likely that wallace gets his big $ long-term contract from the Steelers...

That would pretty much toss out the "businessman" angle in regards to Wallace not signing and reporting...

hawaiiansteel
07-28-2012, 01:45 PM
Give Brown an extension and healthy raise now and worry about Wallace when he wants to come and play. Until he shows up don't even talk about Wallace let alone to him or his agent.

good call Ovi, looks like the Steelers' FO listened to your suggestion and have done exactly that...

NJ-STEELER
07-29-2012, 04:52 PM
Mark Kaboly‏@MarkKaboly_Trib via twitter:

The Steelers offered Mike Wallace very similar deal to Antonio Brown's deal. Brown accepted, Wallace was offended.

http://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/s...84436350386176 (http://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/status/228984436350386176)

if wallace was offered that last off season or after his rookie year (closer to browns #s last year) he would have been a fool not to accept. just as antonio did