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flippy
05-29-2012, 03:54 PM
All of a sudden we're more stocked on the DLine than LB. Seems a little odd for a 3-4, doesn't it?

Hampton, McClendon, Keisel, Heyward, and Hood

vs

Timmons, Harrison, Woodley, Foote

Add in the rookies on each unit and call them a wash for now. Of course we've got Sly and Worlids, but I haven't seen enough out of those 2 yet to know what we have.

Just seems like we've got more guys on the line and not enough LBs and this is supposed to be a LB's defense. What's going on?

Pops8
05-29-2012, 04:11 PM
shift to a 4-3 base front.

:twisted:

Oviedo
05-29-2012, 04:36 PM
We are stockpiling the DL so when LeBeau goes out the door we can transition to the 4-3. Why else have we been picking up more DL versus LB the last couple of years? LeBeau is the only reason we aren't going to the 4-3 right now.:stirpot

Pops8
05-29-2012, 04:44 PM
We are stockpiling the DL so when LeBeau goes out the door we can transition to the 4-3. Why else have we been picking up more DL versus LB the last couple of years? LeBeau is the only reason we aren't going to the 4-3 right now.:stirpot

-------JH---------Timmons------Woodley
--Heywood----Hood-----McClendon-----Kiesel

Oviedo
05-29-2012, 04:58 PM
-------JH---------Timmons------Woodley
--Heywood----Hood-----McClendon-----Kiesel


Woodley is a 4-3 DE if we would ever shift. Guy would be a beast.

Timmons would be OLB.

steelblood
05-29-2012, 05:45 PM
Woodley is a 4-3 DE if we would ever shift. Guy would be a beast.

Timmons would be OLB.

I really don't know about that. Woodley is awfully short for a 4-3 DE. He plays like a base end but doesn't really have prototypical height or weight for the position. I'm sure he'd be good in a rotation.

I wouldn't be against switching to a 4-3. And, I agree that Tomlin has hedged his bets a bit with some of the personnel he has taken. But, I'm not sure Woodley is as natural a fit at 4-3 end as you suggest.

Crash
05-29-2012, 05:55 PM
We're thin at DL.

Slapstick
05-29-2012, 06:51 PM
Current DL players:

NT = Hampton, McClendon, Ta'amu, Cade Weston

DE = Keisel, Hood, Heyward, Al Woods, Corbin Bryant, Jake Stoller, Ikponmwosa Igbinosun

Thin? I wouldn't say thin, necessarily...

But, with Hampton recovering from ACL surgery, I would say much of the DL depth is unproven...

We know McClendon can play and we strongly suspect that Ta'amu can as well, but we haven't seen it...Weston was a Pats* pick in 2010 who went on IR and was waived...he was on the Colts PS last year...

After Heyward, there are several unproven guys at DE...

Al Woods was a 4th round draft pick of the Saints in 2010 who was cut and signed to the Pittsburgh Practice Squad after Training Camp...the Buccaneers signed him from our PS and he played in 2010 as a reserve...in 2011, he was with Seattle for a short stint as a reserve before he was cut...Pittsburgh signed him to the active roster...so, he was on our PS last year and the team thought enough of him to bring him back...after Woods, there is no one who has played a regular season snap in the NFL...

RuthlessBurgher
05-29-2012, 06:58 PM
Hampton (entering his 12th season and turning 35 in September) and Keisel (entering his 11th season and turning 34 in September) won't be around much longer. This is the last year of Hampton's contract, and Keisel is signed for this season and next. When Big Snack and Da Beard join Aaron Smith and Chris Hoke in retirement, we'll have McLendon and Ta'Amu splitting time on the nose plus Hood and Heyward starting at the ends, with Corbin Bryant and Al Woods behind them for rotational depth purposes (they have shown some promise in training camps past, but have been primarily practice squadders up to this point...it remains to be seen if they can take the McLendon route from the P.S. that stands for Practice Squad to the P.S. that stands for Pittsburgh Steelers). If not, perhaps someone else like Kade Weston or Ikponmwosa Igbinosun (everyone's favorite name since Chris Fuamatu-Ma'Afala) can step and make the team take notice instead.

RuthlessBurgher
05-29-2012, 07:00 PM
We're thin at DL.

As long as Casey Hampton remains on our roster, we'll never be accused on being thin at DL. ;)

phillyesq
05-29-2012, 08:13 PM
The defensive line is certainly a unit in transition. At the start of last season, Aaron Smith and Chris Hoke were on the roster. They are now replaced by Ta'amu and Corbin Bryant, Al Woods or one of the UDFAs, with Hampton and Keisel both coming off of injuries.

There is a mixture of youth and experience at DE, but I think the Steelers will need to invest in, at a minimum, a rotational DE next year (largely dependent on the development of Ta'amu).

Pops8
05-29-2012, 10:11 PM
Woodley is a 4-3 DE if we would ever shift. Guy would be a beast.

Timmons would be OLB.

Yes, I thought about that as a possibility as well. But in that scenario, who do you put at MLB? Certainly not Foote I hope.

Of course its all piss in the wind...it isn't going to happen. Its just pissin' in the wind conversation (and I am feeling quite damp.)

Crash
05-29-2012, 10:12 PM
Woodley will not be a 4-3 DE for us. He's paid to be a OLB, and that's where he stays. His advantage as a player is because he can do both speed and power as a OLB.

Why the obsession with always trying to change people?

Chadman
05-30-2012, 12:57 AM
Woodley will not be a 4-3 DE for us. He's paid to be a OLB, and that's where he stays. His advantage as a player is because he can do both speed and power as a OLB.

Why the obsession with always trying to change people?

This from the guy that wants Pouncey at OG so Legursky can play OC... :D

Crash
05-30-2012, 01:04 AM
This from the guy that wants Pouncey at OG so Legursky can play OC.

And WHY? Because I think if Lego has to start, I think it's better to have the better athlete at guard, and leave Lego at center.

Pouncey IMO is wasted as a C. His talent would be used BETTER at guard. If you want to run the ball? You needs guards who can block. Pouncey/Lego/DeCastro inside would be ridiculous.


I also think Lekursky is better at calling blocking schemes than Pouncey.

Chadman
05-30-2012, 01:27 AM
[/COLOR]And WHY? Because I think if Lego has to start, I think it's better to have the better athlete at guard, and leave Lego at center.

Pouncey IMO is wasted as a C. His talent would be used BETTER at guard. If you want to run the ball? You needs guards who can block. Pouncey/Lego/DeCastro inside would be ridiculous.


I also think Lekursky is better at calling blocking schemes than Pouncey.




Woodley will not be a 4-3 DE for us. He's paid to be a OLB, and that's where he stays. His advantage as a player is because he can do both speed and power as a OLB.

Why the obsession with always trying to change people?




This is different how?

Va Steelr
05-30-2012, 05:10 AM
Are You OK? No, he's not and No we don't !!! :D

Oviedo
05-30-2012, 07:48 AM
Woodley will not be a 4-3 DE for us. He's paid to be a OLB, and that's where he stays. His advantage as a player is because he can do both speed and power as a OLB.

Why the obsession with always trying to change people?

You mean like converting college DEs to OLBs in the NFL and taking 2-3 years to do it?

Oviedo
05-30-2012, 07:50 AM
[/COLOR]And WHY? Because I think if Lego has to start, I think it's better to have the better athlete at guard, and leave Lego at center.

Pouncey IMO is wasted as a C. His talent would be used BETTER at guard. If you want to run the ball? You needs guards who can block. Pouncey/Lego/DeCastro inside would be ridiculous.


I also think Lekursky is better at calling blocking schemes than Pouncey.

When healthy, Willie Colon is a far superior player to Legursky so if Pouncey?Lego?DeCastro is "ridiculous" then Colon/Pouncey/DeCastro should be super ridiculous. Let's all face the fact that Legursky is a good back-up not an NFL starter.

birtikidis
05-30-2012, 08:30 AM
D line are players that for the most part rotate. They're fatties and if you hadn't noticed they don't appear to be in the best shape. That's their job description though. You list McClendon who is a career backup. They needed three young guys to replace three old guys. They did that. Too many? Nope. Year from now we won't be screaming that we don't have replacements for the guys we lose to retirement.

Slapstick
05-30-2012, 08:45 AM
Since we're dealing in hypotheticals...

Woodley would be a DE if the Steelers ever changed to a 4-3...but, he would most likely be an "elephant" type DE...also known in some defenses as a "Leo" or even a "Jack"...that type of DE plays as a standup player who basically plays DE like an 3-4 OLB...

Really, the only differences between LeBeau's 3-4 and most 4-3 Ds are gap responsibility...the players on LeBeau's 3 man line are all 2 gap defenders...most 4-3 D-Linemen are one gap defenders (with the exception of the 4-3 NT, for the most part)...

If you lined up the defense in a 4 man line, with a "Leo" DE, the front would be virtually indistinguishable from a 3-4 front...the difference would be gap responsibilities...

Short story long, the Steelers are most likely going to be spending less and less time in the base defense and more time in special packages, so the base D becomes increasingly irrelevant...

Slapstick
05-30-2012, 08:48 AM
Oh, and incidentally, I think Timmons would be the MLB in a 4-3 D...

phillyesq
05-30-2012, 08:48 AM
When healthy, Willie Colon is a far superior player to Legursky so if Pouncey?Lego?DeCastro is "ridiculous" then Colon/Pouncey/DeCastro should be super ridiculous. Let's all face the fact that Legursky is a good back-up not an NFL starter.

Agreed. And Colon has never had problems run blocking.

Legursky is a good guy to have on the team. He is a capable backup at the interior spots and a nice goalline fullback. That is about it.

pfelix73
05-30-2012, 09:54 AM
"When healthy, Willie Colon is a far superior player to Legursky so if Pouncey?Lego?DeCastro is "ridiculous" then Colon/Pouncey/DeCastro should be super ridiculous. Let's all face the fact that Legursky is a good back-up not an NFL starter."

I'm not convinced of that. I think Legs could be a starter in the NFL- if ever given the opportunity......

Crash
05-30-2012, 09:56 AM
I'm not convinced of that. I think Legs could be a starter in the NFL- if ever given the opportunity......

Not at guard though.

pfelix73
05-30-2012, 10:01 AM
Sure. Why not? He's young, smart, probably still the strongest man on the team.. He proven he's an adequate C and I think if given the reps at OG would be a good one....

Oviedo
05-30-2012, 10:04 AM
"When healthy, Willie Colon is a far superior player to Legursky so if Pouncey?Lego?DeCastro is "ridiculous" then Colon/Pouncey/DeCastro should be super ridiculous. Let's all face the fact that Legursky is a good back-up not an NFL starter."

I'm not convinced of that. I think Legs could be a starter in the NFL- if ever given the opportunity......

He's been in the league like 4 years. I think the opportunity has been there for the taking and he has proven he isn't up to it.

pfelix73
05-30-2012, 10:10 AM
Disagree. He won the job last year only to be moved around again because of all the injuries. Really hasn't been given the opportunity to start at OG. We'll see what happens in camp and down the road.. Colon is, what? only signed for 2012? He isn't the long term answer at LG...

flippy
05-30-2012, 10:16 AM
The problem this defense has had for the last few years is getting pressure without blitzing. I'm hoping this investment in DLine means we can start to get consistent pressure with 4 on passing downs which are becoming almost every down in the NFL.

I think we may be able to get some serious/consistent pressure with Keisel, McClendon, Ziggy, and Heyward as a situational 4 man front.

The other option we have is if Hood, Heyward, McClendon are ready to take over up front, we could start using Keisel as a 3rd down pass rushing specialist again. He got tons of pressure rotating in on 3rd downs early in his career. Keisel could also be used as a situational OLB to keep our OLBs fresh and allow them to bring more pressure.

flippy
05-30-2012, 10:23 AM
I view us as moving to a 4-3 eventually given our current roster. But I don't see it happening until Harrison/Lebeau are gone.

I could see Timmons, Spence, Hood, McClendon, Ta'Amu as good fits in a 4-3.

Keisel and Heyward - probably.

Woodley, Harrison, Hampton - not so much.

pfelix73
05-30-2012, 10:25 AM
I believe that a team can never have too many DLinemen. Always good to rotate them in and out...I am concerned about our linebacking corps. and the depth there.. or lack of it...

Disagree on the 4-3 too. You can do more with scheme in the 3-4.. That's why it's become so popular..

flippy
05-30-2012, 10:26 AM
[/COLOR]And WHY? Because I think if Lego has to start, I think it's better to have the better athlete at guard, and leave Lego at center.

Pouncey IMO is wasted as a C. His talent would be used BETTER at guard. If you want to run the ball? You needs guards who can block. Pouncey/Lego/DeCastro inside would be ridiculous.


I also think Lekursky is better at calling blocking schemes than Pouncey.

I'd be ok with Adams, Pouncey, Legs, Decastro, and Gilbert. I'd be a bigger fan of bringing Starks back and making Adams win a job.

pfelix73
05-30-2012, 10:31 AM
Agree with you there- Adams needs to win the OT spot. This is gonna be an interesting camp and September. If he starts at LT in the Denver game and gets blown up- then what? Then you gotta move everyone around again...Gilbert to LT, Colon to RT... I doubt 4 preseason games are gonna be any indication on what Adams will do in the reg. season....

They really need to bring in Starks for depth...and competition. Such a no-brainer..

RuthlessBurgher
05-30-2012, 10:51 AM
Disagree. He won the job last year only to be moved around again because of all the injuries. Really hasn't been given the opportunity to start at OG. We'll see what happens in camp and down the road.. Colon is, what? only signed for 2012? He isn't the long term answer at LG...

Willie Colon

7/28/2011: Signed a five-year, $29 million contract. The deal included a $6 million signing bonus. 2012: $700,000 (+ $3.8 million "signing" bonus), 2013-2014: $5.5 million, 2015: $6 million, 2016: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3912/player?r=1

pfelix73
05-30-2012, 10:54 AM
Cool, thanks for posting. Thought he only signed through 2012.

However, looking at the numbers, I wonder if he'd restructure that, because he was signed on OT money and not as a G. He's now the oldest starting OL...

Oviedo
05-30-2012, 10:55 AM
Agree with you there- Adams needs to win the OT spot. This is gonna be an interesting camp and September. If he starts at LT in the Denver game and gets blown up- then what? Then you gotta move everyone around again...Gilbert to LT, Colon to RT... I doubt 4 preseason games are gonna be any indication on what Adams will do in the reg. season....

They really need to bring in Starks for depth...and competition. Such a no-brainer..

I totally agree it is a "no brainer" to bring Starks back if Starks can do anything. We have no idea what his health status is after surgery so if they did bring him back he may be on the sideline learning the new terminology and nhelping to coach up Adams.

The Starks over Jon Scott preference is only valid if Starks is healthy.

How the world turns with many constantly criticizing Starks in the past and now so many wanting him back. He was never as bad as many made him out to be and has always been a good, if not great, LT.

Pops8
05-30-2012, 11:02 AM
Since we're dealing in hypotheticals...

Woodley would be a DE if the Steelers ever changed to a 4-3...but, he would most likely be an "elephant" type DE...also known in some defenses as a "Leo" or even a "Jack"...that type of DE plays as a standup player who basically plays DE like an 3-4 OLB...

Really, the only differences between LeBeau's 3-4 and most 4-3 Ds are gap responsibility...the players on LeBeau's 3 man line are all 2 gap defenders...most 4-3 D-Linemen are one gap defenders (with the exception of the 4-3 NT, for the most part)...

If you lined up the defense in a 4 man line, with a "Leo" DE, the front would be virtually indistinguishable from a 3-4 front...the difference would be gap responsibilities...

Short story long, the Steelers are most likely going to be spending less and less time in the base defense and more time in special packages, so the base D becomes increasingly irrelevant...

I agree with most of what you say here...I don't normally get into this type of detail on message boards because not many people want to. The money statement is the last one. Teams these days spend so much time in situation driven personnel packages that naming a base is becoming silly. This is especially true at the OLB/DE position. The OLB/DE difference has been getting more and more blurry as flex and multifront defenses evolve. Often the delta is only defined by where the player lines up in response to offensive formation. When I played, the run front was king and it really defined your coverage (which was a lot of m2m). These days coverage is king and it really defines the run front.

RuthlessBurgher
05-30-2012, 12:16 PM
I agree with most of what you say here...I don't normally get into this type of detail on message boards because not many people want to. The money statement is the last one. Teams these days spend so much time in situation driven personnel packages that naming a base is becoming silly. This is especially true at the OLB/DE position. The OLB/DE difference has been getting more and more blurry as flex and multifront defenses evolve. Often the delta is only defined by where the player lines up in response to offensive formation. When I played, the run front was king and it really defined your coverage (which was a lot of m2m). These days coverage is king and it really defines the run front.

Versatile players in versatile schemes makes it cloudy when teams want to tag a player (franchise or transition). I'm sure the Ravens would like to give Terrell Suggs the lower LB tender, but Suggs would want the higher DE tender. There are guys like this on offense now too...is Dexter McCluster primarily a RB or WR now? We have a similar player in Chris Rainey, plus we have the TE/FB David Johnson, and folks are already speculating about whether or not we might use Sean Spence as a linebacker or perhaps safety instead.

Jooser
05-30-2012, 12:51 PM
When healthy, Willie Colon is a far superior player to Legursky so if Pouncey?Lego?DeCastro is "ridiculous" then Colon/Pouncey/DeCastro should be super ridiculous. Let's all face the fact that Legursky is a good back-up not an NFL starter.

:BowSUPER REDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!! YES!!! that is the best pairing of those two words I've ever seen!!!! nice

Crash
05-30-2012, 01:06 PM
Agree with you there- Adams needs to win the OT spot. This is gonna be an interesting camp and September. If he starts at LT in the Denver game and gets blown up- then what?

You leave him out there. Starks gets abused by speed rushers also.

flippy
05-30-2012, 05:53 PM
You leave him out there. Starks gets abused by speed rushers also.

Starks was really only abused by Aldon Smith recently. For the most part he's pretty sound and has played next to an underperformer for years that hasn't helped him much.

Pops8
05-30-2012, 07:42 PM
Versatile players in versatile schemes makes it cloudy when teams want to tag a player (franchise or transition). I'm sure the Ravens would like to give Terrell Suggs the lower LB tender, but Suggs would want the higher DE tender.

Woah, slow down there tex. I was talking from a schematic and strategy perspective. Don't dirty it all up with money talks now. :p

pfelix73
05-31-2012, 09:59 AM
I don't know how you can leave Adams out there if he's the weak link. It takes time to master that position. Having Starks would at least give us some options. Well, again, should make for an interesting camp this year! I think I'll go up for a day or 2. Missed it the past few years....

hawaiiansteel
06-01-2012, 12:40 AM
As long as Casey Hampton remains on our roster, we'll never be accused on being thin at DL. ;)

good point, but Chris Hoke has certainly gotten thin (this pic taken at recent OTAs)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582274_10150938359334905_146175949904_9607517_5686 87839_n.jpg

flippy
06-01-2012, 08:33 AM
good point, but Chris Hoke has certainly gotten thin (this pic taken at recent OTAs)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582274_10150938359334905_146175949904_9607517_5686 87839_n.jpg

Good to see Hokie hanging around. I think he'd potentially make a good DLine coach in the future.

Oviedo
06-01-2012, 08:40 AM
Good to see Hokie hanging around. I think he'd potentially make a good DLine coach in the future.

I agree. John Mitchell isn't getting any younger. Hoke and A. Smith both have the knowledge to be an asset.

jj28west
06-03-2012, 06:57 PM
Good to see Hokie hanging around. I think he'd potentially make a good DLine coach in the future.

I remember a 4:00 game against the Giants a couple years ago at home where there was a goal line stand. I think the Giants had 3-4 attempts and ran Jacobs (who runs high) right off center and he got stuffed each time. There was a great camera shot showing both Casey & Hokie down on one knee while the Giants were in the huddle. They were dug in and ready to blow up the interior Oline so the LBs could hit Jacobs head on. There is just nothing like american football.

Captain Lemming
06-03-2012, 07:27 PM
good point, but Chris Hoke has certainly gotten thin (this pic taken at recent OTAs)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582274_10150938359334905_146175949904_9607517_5686 87839_n.jpg

Then again he is next to Casey. Perhaps it is just our minds playing games with us since there is no other frame of reference.

Someone like Heath might look like Twiggy in that photo. :)

hawaiiansteel
07-12-2012, 07:54 PM
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Another player, who is more unknown than Butler, also may have a viable shot at a roster spot, defensive end Ikponmwosa Igbinosun from Southern Connecticut. The Steelers will have at least one roster spot open at defensive end behind starters Brett Keisel and Ziggy Hood, and top back up, last years number one pick Cameron Heyward. As the team enters camp, competition for this spot should be one of the best battles in Latrobe.

At this point, Steelers 101 believes that one of last year’s undrafted rookie free agents Corbin Bryant, who should have made the team in 2011, has the inside track at the position(defensive line breakdown May 2012). The 6-4, 300 pound defensive end was originally signed by the Steelers as an undrafted rookie free agent out f Northwestern in July 2011 and spent time between their active roster and practice squad during the 2011 season, at one-point taking the spot of Aaron Smith when he was placed on injured reserve. However, like last year when he was challenging for a roster spot, he will face stiff competition.

Igbinosun may be from a small school, but he has solid athleticism and is said to be a leader on and off the field. The senior defensive end has good size (6-3, 288 pounds) and was a bull against the small school competition he faced over his career. As a senior, he was named All-Northeast-10 Conference, All-ECAC and Don Hansen's Football Gazette All-Region honors for his play. In all, he recorded 58 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, eight quarterback hurries and seven sacks. He followed that outstanding season with an amazing pro-day workout, where he posted some impressive numbers including a 4.94 40-yard dash at 288 pounds.

If he shows up and flashes that same tenacity and athleticism, he could make it difficult for the Steelers to ignore him and keep him from the opening day roster. Although, they could try to limit his exposure in exchange for a year of development on the practice squad.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/pittsburgh_steelers_rookie_undrafted_free_agent_ik ponmwosa_igbinosun_could_land_a_roster_spot_at_def ensive_end/11205682

Oviedo
07-13-2012, 08:12 AM
We have stockpiled quite a few DL. Just curious as to what may be afoot. I just read another article about the kid they signed as an UDFA from Yale--Jake Stoller. He is another player about 6'3" 285lbs.

I count about 11 or 12 DL on the roster going into camp. Dare I say what could be on the horizon.........;)

NorthCoast
07-13-2012, 08:14 AM
Hampton (entering his 12th season and turning 35 in September) and Keisel (entering his 11th season and turning 34 in September) won't be around much longer. This is the last year of Hampton's contract, and Keisel is signed for this season and next. When Big Snack and Da Beard join Aaron Smith and Chris Hoke in retirement, we'll have McLendon and Ta'Amu splitting time on the nose plus Hood and Heyward starting at the ends, with Corbin Bryant and Al Woods behind them for rotational depth purposes (they have shown some promise in training camps past, but have been primarily practice squadders up to this point...it remains to be seen if they can take the McLendon route from the P.S. that stands for Practice Squad to the P.S. that stands for Pittsburgh Steelers). If not, perhaps someone else like Kade Weston or Ikponmwosa Igbinosun (everyone's favorite name since Chris Fuamatu-Ma'Afala) can step and make the team take notice instead.

Exactly what I was thinking Ruthless. It only seems crowded at DL right now because the Steelers are in a transition. I really like the way this is shaping up with the mix of experience and youth. The Steelers once again showing the rest of the league how to manage a team. Awesome!

BradshawsHairdresser
07-13-2012, 08:37 AM
I count about 11 or 12 DL on the roster going into camp. Dare I say what could be on the horizon.........;)

For some reason, Troy's jersey number just popped into my head.

Shawn
07-13-2012, 08:51 AM
We're thin at DL.

I actually agree with you Crash. DL is thin. McClendon has not proven he can be a starter...not yet. Hampton is out. Keisel is long in the tooth. We have a rookie and a couple young guys who can play but haven't proven they can dominate.

RuthlessBurgher
07-13-2012, 10:29 AM
I actually agree with you Crash. DL is thin. McClendon has not proven he can be a starter...not yet. Hampton is out. Keisel is long in the tooth. We have a rookie and a couple young guys who can play but haven't proven they can dominate.

Not me. We have an extremely solid 3 man rotation at DE with Keisel, Hood, and Heyward...and several guys with upside fighting for a roster spot and/or a spot on the practice squad (Bryant, Woods, Igbinosun, Stoller, Weston, Blanc). While Hampton's recovering, we'll have McLendon and Ta'Amu to split time inside (and then when Casey is ready to go, we'll be more than stocked at NT). If injuries strike at one position or the other, we have guys that are flexible enough to switch position in a pinch (McLendon can also play DE if needed while Hood can also play NT if needed).

hawaiiansteel
07-13-2012, 12:58 PM
We're thin at DL.


you call this thin? :D

http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/340x.jpg

grotonsteel
07-13-2012, 01:04 PM
you call this thin? :D

http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/340x.jpg


:D:D

Thats funny...

Slapstick
07-15-2012, 12:03 PM
McClendon has not proven he can be a starter...not yet.

You could have said the same thing about any starter in the NFL at one time...