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hawaiiansteel
05-19-2012, 03:11 AM
Big Ben is bedrock of 'Rosetta Stone' attack

May, 18, 2012
By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com


One week, Ben Roethlisberger is being given a diploma after graduating from college. The next, he's being handed a new playbook from offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

"I joke and say that my final paper for Miami on Tibet was a lot easier than the Rosetta Stone we're doing now here," Roethlisberger told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette last week.

The Steelers quarterback might have been showing off with the reference to the the ancient hieroglyphic stone (and not the computer software that helped swimmer Michael Phelps learn some words in Mandarin), but you get the point of the punchline. Based on what he's seen of Haley's complicated offense so far, Roethlisberger estimated it's 90 percent different than the one run by former Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians.

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Expect to see the Steelers' offense again relying on the right arm of Ben Roethlisberger.

What should never change is the foundation of the Steelers' attack -- and that is Roethlisberger. Haley is the new playcaller, but this is still Roethlisberger's offense. As long as he's able to stand on two feet -- which has been a challenge at times after taking so many hits -- Roethlisberger should be slinging the ball 30 times per game to Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Heath Miller.

If the Steelers want a top-10 offense, they have to throw the ball. The three teams that averaged over 30 points per game last season were pass-first offenses that relied on the arms of Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady.

If the Steelers want to remain an annual playoff contender, their offense has to revolve around Roethlisberger. The top five passing teams in the NFL last season -- New Orleans, New England, Green Bay, Detroit and New York Giants -- all advanced to the postseason and two of them met in the Super Bowl.

There was talk this offseason that Pittsburgh needed to get back to "Steelers football" and run the ball more. But who said that -- Art Rooney II or Ray Lewis? Because taking the ball out of Roethlisberger's hands only helps the defense.

Haley has proven extremely adaptable in his last two NFL stops. As the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, he installed a run-heavy offense with running backs Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones. As the offensive coordinator with the Arizona Cardinals, he put together a pass-happy attack with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin and Steve Breaston.

It doesn't take an ESPN analyst like Trent Dilfer to realize that the Steelers' personnel resembles the Cardinals more than the Chiefs. The Steelers have one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL and a handful of young receivers who can fly all over the field. Pittsburgh is also going to be without its starting running back (Rashard Mendenhall is recovering from knee surgery) and doesn't have a Pro Bowl fullback like Vonta Leach. There really should be no mystery in how the Steelers will attack defenses this year.

"Steelers fans and coach [Mike] Tomlin and the Rooneys apparently thought [Arians] was throwing the ball too much," Roethlisberger said last week. "But yesterday in Coach Haley's office, we were talking about using the no-huddle and throwing the ball and how much we have to use our weapons."

The Steelers have yet to line up as a full team this offseason, but you can imagine what they will look like on offense when they do. It should be three wide receivers split out wide and a single back behind Roethlisberger. The idea is to spread out defenses and keep them on their heels with the no huddle.

Haley won't be afraid to put the offense on the shoulders of Roethlisberger. He did it with Warner in Arizona. In 2008, the Cardinals had the highest called-pass percentage in the league at 66.1 percent, according to ESPN Stats & Information's Allison Loucks.

The Steelers were never that one-dimensional under Arians, although it seemed like it at times. Last season, the Steelers called passes (includes sacks and scrambles) on 58.7 percent of their plays , which was 11th in the NFL but still under the league average of 59.4 percent.

The change from Arians to Haley was more than retooling the scheme. It's about getting into the end zone. There was no excuse for the Steelers ranking 12th in scoring in 2009 and 2010. And there was really no excuse for them to rank 21st this past season. Pittsburgh averaged only 20.3 points per game in 2011 and scored more than 30 points just three times.

Haley has to know the pieces are in place for a top-notch offense. Roethlisberger, who threw for more than 4,000 yards in two of the past three seasons, is proof of that. He can go deep to Wallace, hit Brown over the middle or find Miller down the seam. There are more options with speedy Emmanuel Sanders and veteran Jerricho Cotchery.

Perhaps one tweak is getting Roethlisberger to get rid of the ball quicker. The Steelers already took steps to reduce the hits on the two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback by drafting offensive linemen in the first two rounds. The biggest loss on offense, outside of Mendenhall, was the release and eventual retirement of wide receiver Hines Ward. However, that departure should allow Roethlisberger to take on a larger leadership role.

So, Roethlisberger's first challenge is to understand the "Rosetta Stone" playbook. His ultimate one is to take a good offense and make it a great one.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/48419/big-ben-is-bedrock-of-rosetta-stone-attack

Flasteel
05-19-2012, 10:47 AM
Nice read...thanks for posting HS. I can't wait to see the no-huddle finally showcased in this offense. I'm more jacked about the offense and defense than I can ever remember.

RuthlessBurgher
05-19-2012, 11:34 AM
Last season, the Steelers called passes (includes sacks and scrambles) on 58.7 percent of their plays, which was 11th in the NFL but still under the league average of 59.4 percent.

Gotta love math...we are 11th out of 32 teams, but still under the league average? :confused:

fordfixer
05-19-2012, 11:40 AM
My kids keep talking about "new math" . This must be what they mean.:D

Slapstick
05-19-2012, 02:31 PM
This is exactly the kind of offense that the Steelers should be running...

A three-wide, 1 TE offense would be perfect for not only Roethlisberger, but for Redman as well...a guy like Redman who won't be tackled by only one defender will thrive right alongside the three young WRs and the awesome TE...

Flasteel
05-19-2012, 04:05 PM
Gotta love math...we are 11th out of 32 teams, but still under the league average? :confused:
Those at the top likely skewed the league average.

BURGH86STEEL
05-19-2012, 05:38 PM
I expect there will be some growing pains in the new offense. Ben will probably resort to what he's done throughout his career because of a lack of familiarity. I think we are going to see the same Ben regardless of the offense and OC. Only time will tell if Ben can deliver more TD's in a new offense.

hawaiiansteel
05-20-2012, 02:07 PM
Steel City Jimmy: Steelers' O-Line needs to take care of QB Ben Roethlisberger

Published: Sunday, May 20, 2012
JIM CARLSON, The Patriot-News

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It’s only May, but it's never too early to fill your 90-man roster.

The Pittsburgh Steelers completed their roster by signing a Southern Miss kicker, Danny Hrapmann, and a North Carolina offensive lineman, Kyle Jolly.

Roster moves are the norm at this time of year, and there's plenty of movement in camp.

Willie Colon has been shifted to left guard, which pretty much seals a starting bid for Steelers first-round pick David DeCastro from Stanford at right guard.

Mike Adams of Ohio State, the teams second draft pick, is penciled in at one of the tackle spots with Marcus Gilbert potentially at the other. Jonathan Scott is in the mix for one of the tackle spots as well.

Thus, if you're of the mindset to complain that the team's offensive line was too old, you might reverse course and whine that the line is now too young outside of Colon and talented but often gimpy center Maurkice Pouncey.

Overall, the youth movement is better in the ever-changing world of an NFL roster. Especially when they're charged with protecting one of the leagues best quarterbacks in Ben Roethlisberger, who has taken a physical beating the past couple of seasons.

Not only will the line be young, it will be learning a complex offense installed by new coordinator Todd Haley.

A line only sprinkled with experience will be responsible for keeping upright a quarterback who likes to scramble — and won't let go of the ball — in addition to opening holes for running backs with minimal reps until the return of Rashard Mendenhall.

The Steelers' game plan always has been to mix the run and the pass, but it seems more than obvious that the pass protection better be top priority in the preseason in order for Roethlisberger to connect with a stable of young but extremely talented receivers.

Despite some big-name defensive stars, Roethlisberger still figures to be the leader of that team. He's more than proven he can.

He showed up in 2004 a virtual unknown, was thrust into the lineup because of injury and just one season later earned his first of two Super Bowl rings in three appearances.

Did he let that go to his head? That's pretty obvious given some of his ensuing offseason antics, and he would admit to that. But the guy's grown up after some seamy allegations and some questionable decision-making.

Roethlisberger’s a tough, blue-collar, franchise QB, a superb passer who sees the field and plays the game as well as he knows it.

The Steelers do not have a proven backup and have done nothing to acquire one. Their offense rests in his hands and, obviously, so does their success.

The team's roster and 10 starters in front of him should be geared around his safe-keeping.

http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnews...lers_o-li.html (http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnews...lers_o-li.html)

RuthlessBurgher
05-20-2012, 07:20 PM
Thus, if you're of the mindset to complain that the team's offensive line was too old, you might reverse course and whine that the line is now too young outside of Colon and talented but often gimpy center Maurkice Pouncey.

Too young except for Colon and Pouncey? Well, Colon at 29 is the veteran among the projected starters, but Pouncey is 22, which is the same age as DeCastro and Adams. Marcus Gilbert is 24. Whoops.


Did he let that go to his head? That's pretty obvious given some of his ensuing offseason antics, and he would admit to that. But the guy's grown up after some seamy allegations and some questionable decision-making.

I'm not touching this one. That's Crash's job. :p


The Steelers do not have a proven backup and have done nothing to acquire one.

No proven backup? I guess the fact that both Byron Leftwich and Charlie Batch have passed for over 10,000 yards in the NFL does not count as a proven backup. Batch's 60 NFL TD passes and 6 TD runs and Leftwich's 58 TD passes and 9 TD runs don't mean anything either. Does any other team have more "proven" backups than these two guys?

steelblood
05-21-2012, 07:28 AM
Too young except for Colon and Pouncey? Well, Colon at 29 is the veteran among the projected starters, but Pouncey is 22, which is the same age as DeCastro and Adams. Marcus Gilbert is 24. Whoops.



I'm not touching this one. That's Crash's job. :p



No proven backup? I guess the fact that both Byron Leftwich and Charlie Batch have passed for over 10,000 yards in the NFL does not count as a proven backup. Batch's 60 NFL TD passes and 6 TD runs and Leftwich's 58 TD passes and 9 TD runs don't mean anything either. Does any other team have more "proven" backups than these two guys?

Ha! The only thing Batch and Lefty haven't proven lately is that they can be tackled without a limb popping off.

hawaiiansteel
05-21-2012, 03:16 PM
Ben Roethlisberger Needs to Stop Complaining About Pittsburgh Steelers Playbook

By Andrea Hangst (AFC North Lead Blogger) on May 21, 2012

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Hey, Ben Roethlisberger: Stop complaining about the new playbook and learn it already

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has twice mentioned to the media that new offensive coordinator Todd Haley's playbook is like the "Rosetta Stone," the ancient stone written in three languages that helped archaeologists decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics.

While Roethlisberger was clearly being hyperbolic in his assessments, these comments indicate he's not yet comfortable with the changes that his offense has undergone this offseason.

But, with OTAs scheduled to begin on Tuesday, Roethlisberger would better serve both himself and his team by keeping quiet about his issues and focusing on learning that new terminology.

While the Steelers' offense won't appear that changed to the average eye come gameday—the schemes may change but the plays will be similar, and the team will likely continue to rely heavily on the pass rather than what's going to be a more efficient running game—the language that Haley uses is different from that of longtime Steelers coordinator Bruce Arians.

It's not easy to learn a whole new system's worth of terminology and thus it should take a little time for Roethlisberger to get up to speed. But his repeated public comments about the playbook's complexity simply must stop.

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Maybe Roethlisberger isn't thrilled about working with Todd Haley, but he needs to accept it

It's no secret that Roethlisberger wasn't entirely in support of Arians' dismissal and the hiring of Haley. After all, Arians helped develop Roethlisberger into the Super Bowl winner he is today.

But the NFL is a world of change, even if the Steelers are an organization known for their general coaching staff stability. This is merely part of the game, and Roethlisberger has had months to embrace the new system.

Roethlisberger's recurrent comments make it seem like he's complaining; they also make him seem a bit daft. It's a playbook, meaning it's football terminology. While there will necessarily be differences between Haley's plays and Arians', the end result is the same. This is Roethlisberger's job, after all, so he shouldn't be struggling so mightily to make the switch.

Further, the job of a quarterback extends beyond what happens on the field—he must also take on a leadership role in the locker room as well. If Roethlisberger feels comfortable repeatedly doubting his ability to master Haley's new playbook, he's setting a poor example for the rest of his offensive teammates.

How can Roethlisberger engender confidence in his receivers, offensive linemen, running backs and others who are surrounding him if he's constantly telling the media the playbook is too difficult to understand? What can Roethlisberger be accomplishing by his remarks other than not-so-subtly attempting to undermine Haley's regime before ever even working with him?

Roethlisberger could have avoided these questions from even being asked if he would have been more tactful in his comments. No, he didn't have to like the team's decision to move on from Arians, but that move came months ago.

In the intervening time, Roethlisberger had ample opportunity to accept the change and move forward, but it seems as though he'd prefer to whine about how hard his job will be instead.

Maybe he doesn't think Haley will help the team as much as Arians did, and that's his right. However, as the Steelers' starting quarterback, Roethlisberger needs to consider how his actions can harm or help the team as well.

That means he must stop complaining and start doing the actual work to master his new playbook. He needs to accept that though not everything will go his way, he must make the best of it in order to lead his team to wins.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1190562-ben-roethlisberger-needs-to-stop-complaining-about-pittsburgh-steelers-playbook

Sugar
05-21-2012, 03:39 PM
So Ben has made two comments about "rosetta stone" and this means he is whining? He didn't say, "this sucks." He didn't say, "this won't work." He made a remark dealing with changing terminology and this person insists that he stop immediately? Whatever...

RuthlessBurgher
05-21-2012, 04:02 PM
So Ben has made two comments about "rosetta stone" and this means he is whining? He didn't say, "this sucks." He didn't say, "this won't work." He made a remark dealing with changing terminology and this person insists that he stop immediately? Whatever...

Exactly...every interviewer is going to ask him about how Haley's playbook differs from Arians' playbook...is he supposed to just say, "No comment...next question" like he's Drew Rosenhaus in T.O.'s driveway? He's commented about how the terminology is different (Oooh...what a whiner). And wasn't it Manny Sanders who was the one saying that it is 90% different, not Ben?

Slapstick
05-21-2012, 04:31 PM
Exactly...every interviewer is going to ask him about how Haley's playbook differs from Arians' playbook...is he supposed to just say, "No comment...next question" like he's Drew Rosenhaus in T.O.'s driveway? He's commented about how the terminology is different (Oooh...what a whiner). And wasn't it Manny Sanders who was the one saying that it is 90% different, not Ben?

Yes, but Ben Roethlisberger has a much higher media profile than Manny Sanders...and, despite what some people may tell you, that makes a huge difference...

Flasteel
05-21-2012, 04:50 PM
Yes, but Ben Roethlisberger has a much higher media profile than Manny Sanders...and, despite what some people may tell you, that makes a huge difference...

It goes beyond media profile. As the leader of this team, he should be setting a more positive outlook on the new offense. I completely agree that the media takes these things way too far and this article is a perfect example of that. But the one thing they got right was this point on leadership. Roethlisberger may not be complaining or being negative at all...but he certainly isn't being positive either. I would like to see a little excitement coming from him and I'm sure it would be a great example for the rest of the offensive players. That's what I hope to hear come out of OTA's more than anything else.

steelblood
05-21-2012, 05:17 PM
Is this strange behavior for an NFL player? Absolutely not. Should Ben know better by now? Yup.

Sugar
05-21-2012, 06:37 PM
It goes beyond media profile. As the leader of this team, he should be setting a more positive outlook on the new offense. I completely agree that the media takes these things way too far and this article is a perfect example of that. But the one thing they got right was this point on leadership. Roethlisberger may not be complaining or being negative at all...but he certainly isn't being positive either. I would like to see a little excitement coming from him and I'm sure it would be a great example for the rest of the offensive players. That's what I hope to hear come out of OTA's more than anything else.

IDK, maybe as the leader of the team he is letting people know that this new playbook is no cupcake and that there will be some real work ahead? Or, maybe he's just saying what he thinks? Imagine that! IMO, Ben has zero obligation to be excited or positive about the playbook to the press.

Flasteel
05-21-2012, 07:19 PM
IDK, maybe as the leader of the team he is letting people know that this new playbook is no cupcake and that there will be some real work ahead? Or, maybe he's just saying what he thinks? Imagine that! IMO, Ben has zero obligation to be excited or positive about the playbook to the press.

I thought about that same angle with the press, but I still came to the conclusion that when questioned, he should put a positive spin on things, knowing everything he says will eventually reach the ears of his teammates. It's not toting the company line or anything, just finding something positive and getting everybody around him jacked. Maybe he's already doing that privately, which would render these little tidbits meaningless...not sure. If he's speaking his mind, then that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of things so far.

Part of this is my own aprehension as a fan. I'd like to know that Ben sees some things that excite him. I couldn't tell if the comments he made about the heavy amount of passing and no-huddle were intended as that, or if it was more of a back-handed swipe at those who called for more runs under BA. I'm going with the latter.

We'll see what happens in OTAs and there is a loooong way to go before that offense takes the field.

Sugar
05-21-2012, 07:44 PM
Yeah, I see what you're saying. What if Ben truly isn't excited about the plan? What if he behaves like a good soldier and takes his orders while being unhappy with the playbook in general? IMO, he doesn't have to like it, he just has to do what he's told as an employee. I guess if we're winning and the O is executing it won't matter.

hawaiiansteel
05-21-2012, 08:09 PM
Yeah, I see what you're saying. What if Ben truly isn't excited about the plan? What if he behaves like a good soldier and takes his orders while being unhappy with the playbook in general? IMO, he doesn't have to like it, he just has to do what he's told as an employee. I guess if we're winning and the O is executing it won't matter.


I think Ben is still just pouting about his good buddy Arians...

Crash
05-22-2012, 12:04 AM
Yes, but Ben Roethlisberger has a much higher media profile than Manny Sanders...and, despite what some people may tell you, that makes a huge difference...

Means squat. Being a HOF QB does not give Roger Goodell the right to make up one set of rules for Ben, and another set of rules for every other player in the NFL.

You condone Goodell's actions? You're an idiot. Period.

Crash
05-22-2012, 12:04 AM
I think Ben is still just pouting about his good buddy Arians...

Ben has YET to pout over Arians to the press.

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 12:35 AM
Ben has YET to pout over Arians to the press.

true, Ben is mature and professional enough to keep his feelings regarding this sensitive subject out of the press but Arians himself confirmed that Ben didn't take the news of Arians' contract not being renewed well with this quote:


"He's not happy, but that's part of the business."

Crash
05-22-2012, 03:17 AM
true, Ben is mature and professional enough to keep his feelings regarding this sensitive subject out of the press but Arians himself confirmed that Ben didn't take the news of Arians' contract not being renewed well with this quote:


"He's not happy, but that's part of the business."

I wouldn't expect him to be happy. What would people expect? That he be thrilled?

Eich
05-22-2012, 09:01 AM
Means squat. Being a HOF QB does not give Roger Goodell the right to make up one set of rules for Ben, and another set of rules for every other player in the NFL.

You condone Goodell's actions? You're an idiot. Period.


It might not be fair but it's what happens througout life. If you don't see it, then you're a blind homer. The franchise QB is held to a higher standard. He's a face of the team and therefore, a face of the league.

Not only did Goodell treat Ben differently, but so did the Media AND the Steelers front office. If an idiot kicker had managed to get himself 2 assault accusations in 2 years, the Steelers would have let him go immediately even though the media wouldn't have been as harsh.

-Because Ben was an idiot, he put himself into awful situations, the 2nd being unfathomly stupid after the 1st accusation was still warm.
-Because Ben is a franchise QB, he was unfairly treated differently by the media, who convicted him of something far worse than what he actually did.
-Because of the unfair treatment by the media, a massive crapstorm was imposed on the league
-Because of the crapstorm brought to the league by a FRANCHISE QB, after another franchise QB had already brought a different crapstorm (Vick), the league dealt with Ben differently than they would other non-franchise players.
-And because Ben is a very important franchise QB, the Steelers kept him on the team, where most other positions would have been let go.

Slapstick
05-22-2012, 09:10 AM
Means squat.

...to you. To everyone else in the world, it is a big deal.


Being a HOF QB does not give Roger Goodell the right to make up one set of rules for Ben, and another set of rules for every other player in the NFL.

You condone Goodell's actions? You're an idiot. Period.

This won't head off the threadjacking, but few people on this board condone Goodell's actions in this matter. I am not one of them. I just have a more realistic and believable idea of Goodell's motivations...

Crash
05-22-2012, 11:17 AM
The franchise QB is held to a higher standard. He's a face of the team and therefore, a face of the league.

So again, because Ben is a franchise QB that gave Goodell the justification to create ONE SET^ OF RULES for Ben, and anothe set of rules for the REAST OF THE NFL's players?

Because according to the NFL, that's exactly what Roger Goodell did.

You are right, the Steelers wanted to handle Ben's punishment, and Ben agreed to that.

Unfortunately Adolph Goodell would not allow that.

Crash
05-22-2012, 11:19 AM
Goodell's "motivation" is to make sure everyone knows he's in charge and he wants players to kiss his a$$.

What was Goodell's "motivation" to leak to Peter King prior to the 2011 NFL playoffs, supposedly "confidential" details about the Roethlisberger investigation Slap?

DBR96A
05-22-2012, 11:24 AM
Gotta love math...we are 11th out of 32 teams, but still under the league average? :confused:

It's simple statistics. When the mean is higher than the median, that means the highest values are exceptionally high, which skews the mean higher.

It's like the 30-year average snowfall comparison between Pittsburgh and Chicago. Pittsburgh has a higher average snowfall than Chicago (1981-2010), but the median for both cities is within an inch of each other. This means that Pittsburgh's snowiest winters have been snowier than Chicago's snowiest winters, at least during that 30-year period of time, which makes sense given that Pittsburgh is close enough to the Atlantic Ocean to get blasted by nor'easters.

Back to the Steelers, if they're above the median in pass/run ratio but below the mean, then that means the teams with the highest pass/run ratio call an exceptionally high number of passes to runs.

Slapstick
05-22-2012, 11:26 AM
Goodell's "motivation" is to make sure everyone knows he's in charge and he wants players to kiss his a$$.

What was Goodell's "motivation" to leak to Peter King prior to the 2011 NFL playoffs, supposedly "confidential" details about the Roethlisberger investigation Slap?

Didn't you just answer your own question?

DBR96A
05-22-2012, 11:29 AM
true, Ben is mature and professional enough to keep his feelings regarding this sensitive subject out of the press but Arians himself confirmed that Ben didn't take the news of Arians' contract not being renewed well with this quote:


"He's not happy, but that's part of the business."

Never mind that Arians himself was still miffed that he was fired.

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 12:08 PM
Not sure how Goodell got dragged into this thread but anyways....

Ben just needs to give answers that show he is buying into the new system. It's PR 101...

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 12:09 PM
Never mind that Arians himself was still miffed that he was fired.

...so was Ben

Crash
05-22-2012, 12:12 PM
...so was Ben

As he should be.

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 12:27 PM
Nah... after 5 years I don't think any player can be miffed if an OC or DC is canned. This includes Saint Lebeau IMO...

if the Steelers decided to go in another direction I could understand the shock but not 4 months later. Get over it already...

Crash
05-22-2012, 12:32 PM
Didn't you just answer your own question?

No, I didn't. So Goodell with a DELIBERATE attempt to sabotage the Steelers in the playoffs did it so players can kiss his ass?

You guys are nuts. I love the money angle too. That's just as dumb.

Yeah Ben's such a bad guy, he tarnished the shield to the point we'll make up BS rules to suspend him.....but we'll make sure to put this menace on prime time TV five times in 10 weeks.

grotonsteel
05-22-2012, 12:41 PM
I doubt Ben haters even read the entire interview. It was a freaking joke.

Ben haters take what they want to and show Ben in negative light.

grotonsteel
05-22-2012, 12:43 PM
...so was Ben

You expect Ben to be popping Champagne bottles because his OC got fired? There is something called loyalty. He showed it to his O-line even though it was crap and he showed it to his OC.

He even showed it to Max Starks.

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 01:35 PM
You expect Ben to be popping Champagne bottles because his OC got fired? There is something called loyalty. He showed it to his O-line even though it was crap and he showed it to his OC.

He even showed it to Max Starks.

I never said anything about being happy or popping bottles but after 5 years of BA, countless rumors of his firing and a yearly prediction of "this year" being the year the O explodes it shouldn't be a shock that BA was let go.

I guess Ben was also shocked we drafted OL since he was so loyal to those sub par lineman...

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 01:43 PM
I never said anything about being happy or popping bottles but after 5 years of BA, countless rumors of his firing and a yearly prediction of "this year" being the year the O explodes it shouldn't be a shock that BA was let go.

I guess Ben was also shocked we drafted OL since he was so loyal to those sub par lineman...


you make a great point felt, as our franchise QB and leader of this team Ben should be in favor of anything that helps to make our team better whether that means replacing friends of his that are OL or the OC.

Crash
05-22-2012, 02:26 PM
I never said anything about being happy or popping bottles but after 5 years of BA, countless rumors of his firing and a yearly prediction of "this year" being the year the O explodes it shouldn't be a shock that BA was let go.

I guess Ben was also shocked we drafted OL since he was so loyal to those sub par lineman...

And again, this offense was ranked in the top 10, two 1000 yard WRs, a 1200 yard rusher, a career year from Heath Miller in 2009.

And II demanded a new commitment to the run game because LeBeau's 4th quarter defense stunk.

And the offense has been an erratic ****show ever since.

Everyone got what they wanted, evil Arians is gone.

We'll see how the local Yinzer golf coach does.

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 02:34 PM
Ben Roethlisberger: No trouble with Todd Haley

Posted by Josh Alper on May 22, 2012

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The Steelers gather for the start of organized team activities on Tuesday and all eyes will be on the offense.

It’s the first time new offensive coordinator Todd Haley will get to work with the entire offense on the field and the first time that we’ll see what kind of changes he plans after taking over from the fired Bruce Arians. It will also give us a chance to see how well Haley gets along with quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, a relationship that has already been heavily scrutinized.

The scrutiny started when Roethlisberger and Haley took a couple of weeks to meet for the first time after Haley got the job and continued this month when Roethlisberger said he was still “confused” about Haley’s plans for the offense. Roethlisberger spoke to KDKA TV in Pittsburgh on Monday and said that talk about a problematic relationship have been overblown.

“People blew it way out of proportion,” Roethlisberger said. “It’s something new, we’re getting to know each other … There’s no trouble between us at all. When you get a comfort level of like eight years of the same thing and then you change it, it’s just something different, so I’m not saying I don’t like the playbook or anything like that,” Roethlisberger said. “Some of the stuff is really – some of the concepts are awesome, it’s just getting an understanding of something new.”

One thing Haley did in both Arizona and Kansas City is build an offense centered around the team’s strengths. In Arizona, that was throwing the ball with Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald while the Chiefs featured a run-heavy attack built around Jamaal Charles. Given the presence of Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and Mike Wallace (when he gets his contract squared away), it is hard to believe the Steelers will get too far away from the passing game they’ve employed in recent seasons.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/22/ben-roethlisberger-no-trouble-with-todd-haley/

RuthlessBurgher
05-22-2012, 04:14 PM
We'll see how the local Yinzer golf coach does.

First lesson? Tell Ben not to golf barefoot.

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/benroethlisbergerbenroethlisbergerwifev22hbxjovqll .jpg?w=250

grotonsteel
05-22-2012, 04:30 PM
Ben should be in favor of anything that helps to make our team better whether that means replacing friends of his that are OL or the OC.

Shouldn't it be the job of Head Coach or FO to replace OC or look into O-line? I mean Steelers had 25 combinations of O-line last season. Coaches miserably failed to evaluate the O-line.

Or Ben should have complained about O-line like Peyton Manning and threw them under bus? I for one am happy that Ben as a leader always had their back.

I don't see Ben complaining about OL or Todd Haley or Playbook. All he said was Playbook is different.

grotonsteel
05-22-2012, 04:33 PM
Ben Roethlisberger: No trouble with Todd Haley

Posted by Josh Alper on May 22, 2012



People blew it way out of proportion,” Roethlisberger said. “It’s something new, we’re getting to know each other … There’s no trouble between us at all. When you get a comfort level of like eight years of the same thing and then you change it, it’s just something different, so I’m not saying I don’t like the playbook or anything like that,” Roethlisberger said. “Some of the stuff is really – some of the concepts are awesome, it’s just getting an understanding of something new.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/22/ben-roethlisberger-no-trouble-with-todd-haley/

Thanks Ben,

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 05:56 PM
Shouldn't it be the job of Head Coach or FO to replace OC or look into O-line? I mean Steelers had 25 combinations of O-line last season. Coaches miserably failed to evaluate the O-line.

Or Ben should have complained about O-line like Peyton Manning and threw them under bus? I for one am happy that Ben as a leader always had their back.

I don't see Ben complaining about OL or Todd Haley or Playbook. All he said was Playbook is different.

Its the offseason so we/media tend to blow things out of proportion...

As far as Ben throwing the OL under the bus? Its better than Ben looking like he was thrown under the bus after every game. I'm not a fan of calling players out by name but there is nothing wrong with saying you have protection issues when you have have protection issues.

Crash
05-22-2012, 05:56 PM
Ben is CONCERNED, and he damn well should be. Not only for him, but for guys like Wallace, Sanders, and Brown as well.

Crash
05-22-2012, 05:57 PM
Its the offseason so we/media tend to blow things out of proportion...

As far as Ben throwing the OL under the bus? Its better than Ben looking like he was thrown under the bus after every game. I'm not a fan of calling players out by name but there is nothing wrong with saying you have protection issues when you have have protection issues.

Or maybe they didn't and Peyton said that to once again deflect blame from his usual post season choke jobs?

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 06:02 PM
And again, this offense was ranked in the top 10, two 1000 yard WRs, a 1200 yard rusher, a career year from Heath Miller in 2009.

And II demanded a new commitment to the run game because LeBeau's 4th quarter defense stunk.

And the offense has been an erratic ****show ever since.

Everyone got what they wanted, evil Arians is gone.

We'll see how the local Yinzer golf coach does.

I was one of the few who defended Arians when he was blamed for the defense woes in 2009. That being said... Ben couldn't have been shocked given how bad the O looked once they made the commitment the last few years.

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 06:05 PM
Or maybe they didn't and Peyton said that to once again deflect blame from his usual post season choke jobs?

I think everyone who watched that last series with consecutive sacks could see protection issues

Crash
05-22-2012, 06:10 PM
I think everyone who watched that last series with consecutive sacks could see protection issues

Or maybe Peyton froze like he usually does?

3rd down and game in San Diego in 2008, 3 yards to advance, and what did film a holic Peyton do?

Took ANOTHER sack, and then they lost in OT.

Maybe he shouldn't hold the ball so long, eh?

Or does that only apply to Ben?

RuthlessBurgher
05-22-2012, 06:57 PM
Or maybe Peyton froze like he usually does?

3rd down and game in San Diego in 2008, 3 yards to advance, and what did film a holic Peyton do?

Took ANOTHER sack, and then they lost in OT.

Maybe he shouldn't hold the ball so long, eh?

Or does that only apply to Ben?

Maybe the Colts should have relied on the running game and defense like it's 1975. :stirpot

After all, in Peyton's only Super Bowl win, the 190 rushing yards by Rhodes and Addai (Addai was also the leading receiver with 10 dump off passes for a game high 66 yards) and the 5 takeaways by the defense had more of an impact in winning that game than MVP Peyton.

BURGH86STEEL
05-22-2012, 07:36 PM
"I tried to tell (them) don't get frustrated because I know you're used to getting a lot more balls, but this is how it was my rookie year," Roethlisberger said. "I know what one guy does and I go to him. If he's not open, I start scrambling."

"I know that I'm supposed to get rid of the ball, stay in the pockets and not get hits," Roethlisberger said. "I guess I better learn where the protections are coming from so I don't get hit."

Give Ben more time and he will hold the ball longer, run around, and continue to take unnecessary hits. As I stated before, I expect to see the same Ben.

Crash
05-22-2012, 07:38 PM
I hope we do. Most of his work comes from within the pocket. If the front office wants to take away the minute amount of improvising he does then just send him on his way and start Leftwich.

You don't turn a HOF %^&*() player into Carson Palmer.

BURGH86STEEL
05-22-2012, 08:00 PM
I hope we do. Most of his work comes from within the pocket. If the front office wants to take away the minute amount of improvising he does then just send him on his way and start Leftwich.

You don't turn a HOF %^&*() player into Carson Palmer.

I believe if we continue to see more of the same Ben, he won't remain healthy. Not being healthy will affect his performance. I think what people advocate is for Ben to play smarter at times. Sometimes it's smarter to live to play another play.

Crash
05-22-2012, 08:29 PM
I believe if we continue to see more of the same Ben, he won't remain healthy. Not being healthy will affect his performance. I think what people advocate is for Ben to play smarter at times. Sometimes it's smarter to live to play another play.

And how many of the BIG hits Ben has taken are in the pocket?

You can't just throw the ball away to avoid a sack in the pocket, its grounding.

Ask Tom Brady, the alleged best QB in the game about that.

feltdizz
05-23-2012, 08:58 AM
Or maybe Peyton froze like he usually does?

3rd down and game in San Diego in 2008, 3 yards to advance, and what did film a holic Peyton do?

Took ANOTHER sack, and then they lost in OT.

Maybe he shouldn't hold the ball so long, eh?

Or does that only apply to Ben?

Not sure what the Chargers game has to do with his claim of protection issues in the Steeler game.

Crash
05-23-2012, 11:18 AM
Not sure what the Chargers game has to do with his claim of protection issues in the Steeler game.

Two playoff games, 3 years apart, and Peyton Manning's taking sacks in crunch time.

Put the blame where it belongs. Hold Peyton accountable for HIS play.

hawaiiansteel
05-23-2012, 11:59 PM
Players adjusting to Haley's offense

Teresa Varley - Steelers.com

Steelers’ players have gotten their first look at offensive coordinator Todd Haley’s playbook and so far they have been picking it up with ease.

“He has been making it simple for guys to understand,” said wide receiver Antonio Brown. “It’s been really fun. It was great to get out and start to run some of the plays. It’s going to be great when guys get on the same page and start executing it.”

Brown and fellow wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders have already dug deep into the playbook, and while they have work ahead of them, things are moving along well.

“It’s going to be a good year,” said Sanders. “I am loving the offense right now. It’s based off of play action. We have a lot more of the offense to put in, but right now we are heading in the right direction.”

One player who is going to be called to execute it right away is Isaac Redman, who will be the Steelers starting running back when the season opens with Rashard Mendenhall still working his way back from an ACL injury.

“For me, being in the league a couple of years now, I am picking it up faster than the younger guys,” said Redman. “It’s not too difficult for us. Everybody is out here working together, helping each other out, discussing things so that when the season comes around we should be clicking on all cylinders.”

Running back Baron Batch barely had a chance to learn Bruce Arians’offense last year before he was injured in training camp, missing the entire season. He likes the approach that Haley has brought to the offense, being a hands-on coach who is teaching as they go.

“It’s a learning process, but everyone is getting the hang of it and it almost flows easily as far as the no-huddle calls and just the way the numbering system works and the way the plays are called,” said Batch. “It’s easier for me to learn than some of the other offenses I have been in.

“I think Coach Haley does a really good job of explaining everything and being real hands on, showing what he wants done. When you have a coach like that players pick up on it quicker. He shows you how he wants it and I appreciate that.”

One noticeable change already made in the offense is moving Willie Colonfrom tackle to left guard. Colon is content with the change, and also likes the look of the new offense.

“From just being around him you can tell he is a passionate coach and strong minded,” said Colon. “I am not against change. It helps us explore different dynamics of what this offense can be. We know we can be a running team. That is our mold. We just have dynamic receivers and a great quarterback that we can throw the ball.

“He brings a great sense of balance and is going to feed to both of our strengths so it’s going to be exciting.”

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Players-adjusting-to-Haleys-offense/bbdf40e4-c426-4c66-b1e8-57e7d8621c4f

BradshawsHairdresser
05-24-2012, 12:35 AM
Players adjusting to Haley's offense

Teresa Varley - Steelers.com

Steelers’ players have gotten their first look at offensive coordinator Todd Haley’s playbook and so far they have been picking it up with ease.

“He has been making it simple for guys to understand,” said wide receiver Antonio Brown. “It’s been really fun. It was great to get out and start to run some of the plays. It’s going to be great when guys get on the same page and start executing it.”

Brown and fellow wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders have already dug deep into the playbook, and while they have work ahead of them, things are moving along well.

“It’s going to be a good year,” said Sanders. “I am loving the offense right now. It’s based off of play action. We have a lot more of the offense to put in, but right now we are heading in the right direction.”

One player who is going to be called to execute it right away is Isaac Redman, who will be the Steelers starting running back when the season opens with Rashard Mendenhall still working his way back from an ACL injury.

“For me, being in the league a couple of years now, I am picking it up faster than the younger guys,” said Redman. “It’s not too difficult for us. Everybody is out here working together, helping each other out, discussing things so that when the season comes around we should be clicking on all cylinders.”

Running back Baron Batch barely had a chance to learn Bruce Arians’offense last year before he was injured in training camp, missing the entire season. He likes the approach that Haley has brought to the offense, being a hands-on coach who is teaching as they go.

“It’s a learning process, but everyone is getting the hang of it and it almost flows easily as far as the no-huddle calls and just the way the numbering system works and the way the plays are called,” said Batch. “It’s easier for me to learn than some of the other offenses I have been in.

“I think Coach Haley does a really good job of explaining everything and being real hands on, showing what he wants done. When you have a coach like that players pick up on it quicker. He shows you how he wants it and I appreciate that.”

One noticeable change already made in the offense is moving Willie Colonfrom tackle to left guard. Colon is content with the change, and also likes the look of the new offense.

“From just being around him you can tell he is a passionate coach and strong minded,” said Colon. “I am not against change. It helps us explore different dynamics of what this offense can be. We know we can be a running team. That is our mold. We just have dynamic receivers and a great quarterback that we can throw the ball.

“He brings a great sense of balance and is going to feed to both of our strengths so it’s going to be exciting.”

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Players-adjusting-to-Haleys-offense/bbdf40e4-c426-4c66-b1e8-57e7d8621c4f

Sounds like team sentiment is pretty positive toward the new offense...good to hear.

hawaiiansteel
05-25-2012, 09:23 PM
Ben Roethlisberger to WRs: Be patient with me

By Gregg Rosenthal
Published: May 24, 2012

Two days into OTAs, it sounds like Ben Roethlisberger hasn't quite cracked the "Rosetta Stone" that is the new Pittsburgh Steelers offense. He's been trying to tell his receivers to remain patient with him.

"I tried to tell (them) don't get frustrated because I know you're used to getting a lot more balls, but this is how it was my rookie year," Roethlisberger said, via The Associated Press. "I know what one guy does and I go to him. If he's not open, I start scrambling."

That's what Roethlisberger excels at. But new offensive coordinator Todd Haley is trying to teach Roethlisberger to play more from the pocket.

"I know that I'm supposed to get rid of the ball, stay in the pockets and not get hits," Roethlisberger. "I guess I better learn where the protections are coming from so I don't get hit."

These quotes may inspire some hang-wringing that the Steelers are taking away what Big Ben does best. But it's May, and it makes sense for the team to be focusing on the fundamentals of staying in the pocket. When the games start, he can start improvising again.

Still, it's clear that fundamental aspects of the Steelers offense is changing. They have added fullbacks. They have more tight ends on the field. And Isaac Redman told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the team is focusing more on the running game this year.

Everything old is new again in Pittsburgh.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8294f068/article/ben-roethlisberger-to-wrs-be-patient-with-me?module=HP11_headline_stack

steelz09
05-26-2012, 08:47 AM
i was really patient w/ this but now i think it's time for ben to shup up and man up.

Oviedo
05-26-2012, 09:11 AM
i was really patient w/ this but now i think it's time for ben to shup up and man up.

It's May. Who cares what anyone says. If this is mid-August then we have something to talk about.

Crash
05-26-2012, 09:12 AM
They have more tight ends on the field.

And this is something NEW apparently? No, it isn't.

Funny how the whole part of Ben's "frustrating" quote doesn't get printed in the proper context.

Again, this is why Ben needs to just yes or no answer the fish-wraps from now on.

When one listens to his words and not READ them, it's not that big of a deal.

BradshawsHairdresser
05-26-2012, 06:11 PM
[/COLOR]And this is something NEW apparently? No, it isn't.

Funny how the whole part of Ben's "frustrating" quote doesn't get printed in the proper context.

Again, this is why Ben needs to just yes or no answer the fish-wraps from now on.

When one listens to his words and not READ them, it's not that big of a deal.

$$$$$
Much ado about nothing.

SteelAbility
05-26-2012, 09:08 PM
Gotta love math...we are 11th out of 32 teams, but still under the league average? :confused:

Believe it or not that actually is possible. The MEDIAN means half are above and half are below. But the average is the total of all
samples divided by the number of samples. Take the following ...

18
17
16
14
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
1

There are 12 samples with a total of 94 ...

The AVERAGE is 7.83

The 7 in that list (below average) is higher than 7 out of 12 samples.