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hawaiiansteel
05-18-2012, 03:26 PM
5 Steelers Ready To Breakout In 2012, Part I: Offense

May 18th, 2012 by DomSteelers

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About a week ago, FoxSports.com’s Alex Marvez constructed a list of N.F.L. players which could be poised have potential breakout seasons in 2012. The list had one player for each team, and Wide Receiver Emmanuel Sanders made the list as the Steelers’ representative. With Marvez’s list in mind, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss five more Steelers’ players on the Offensive side of the ball which could be ready for breakout seasons.

1. David DeCastro

How or why the top rated Offensive Guard in The 2012 N.F.L. Draft fell to the Steelers at #24, I will never know. Still, I am not going to complain, because Offensive Guard was one of the Steelers’ biggest needs, and had been since Alan Faneca left town when the 2007 season ended. The expectations will be high for DeCastro, and the starting Right Guard spot will be his to lose. Yet I feel like the Rookie from Stanford will answer the bell, and instantly upgrade Pittsburgh’s Offensive Line. DeCastro was an absolute monster at Stanford who has the ability to dominate in the running game, can pull and trap well, hold his own extremely well in pass-protection, and even has room to add onto his ridiculously big frame (6’5″ 316 lbs.). DeCastro started 39 games over the course of his collegiate career at Stanford, and his extended experience as a Lineman in a Pro Style Offense which had a firm dedication (as well as a great deal of success) to the Run Game should not be overlooked as well. The former Cardinal was given future Hall of Famer Alan Faneca’s number #66 and will be counted on to be the rock at Right Guard for at least a decade.

2. Heath Miller

I am sure many of you readers are saying, “Heath Miller? He made the Pro Bowl in 2009. Why is he on this list? How did he make a list of breakout players?” Well, I put Heath on this list because I see him as possibly enjoying a career year with the Steelers as he enters his 8th season with the team. Hopefully, new Offensive Coordinator Todd Haley will use Miller (2011: 51 Catches, 631 Yards, 2 TD’s) in the role Ken Whisenhunt used him in during his first two seasons, and like Haley used Tony Moeaki in Kansas City during the 2010 season: a prime Red Zone target. If this is indeed the case, Miller could enjoy games like he did against the Patriots last season, except on multiple occasions in 2012. Over his first three seasons combined, Miller amassed 21 Touchdown receptions and was one of Big Ben’s most reliable Red Zone targets.I will admit, with the emergence of Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, and the other Wide Receivers, Miller’s targets have gone down over the last couple seasons in scoring situations, as well they should. Still, the fact that a 6’5” 265 lb. mammoth of a man that can run with Safeties and has the best hands on the team should not be catching only 2 TD’s per season (4 over the last two). Because of the explosiveness of Wallace and Brown, Miller will likely be singled up or an afterthought when teams key on those two. Pittsburgh needs to make these teams pay, and Miller could be a huge benefactor.

3. Isaac Redman

With Rashard Mendenhall sidelined for likely the first half of the season, and almost zero experienced depth behind him, Isaac Redman will get his opportunity to put a stranglehold on the “RB1” position. Redman set career highs in Rushing Yards (479), Carries (110), and Rushing Touchdowns (3) last season, and should be one of the hungriest players on the team to carry over some positive momentum from 2011 into 2012. Much like Fast Willie Parker, Redman is a former Undrafted Free Agent. And much like Fast Willie, Isaac earned his way onto this roster due to grit, hard work, and developed his skills on the Practice Squad for an extended period. Granted, I see Chris Rainey as the team’s eventual 3rd Down Back, and he will likely force Redman off the field in those situations this season because of his explosive and pass-catching skill-set. Yet as I stated before, Redman finally has his chance, and for a determined Undrafted Free Agent like him, any open window to shine will be met with 100% effort, and a white-knuckle grip on the job with a “take on all comers” attitude.

4. Emmanuel Sanders and/or Jerricho Cotchery

I know this is cheating a little bit, because the title reads “5 Steelers,” yet the player which will have a breakout season will be the winner of the battle between Emmanuel Sanders and Jerricho Cotchery for The #3 Wide Receiver slot. I’ve stated it many times, but Heath Miller and the slot WR’s this season could enjoy enormous seasons due to the attention which opposing Defenses must pay to Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown respectively. The middle of the field will likely be open because of both speedsters outside the numbers, and the Steelers can eat Secondaries alive with mismatches on the inside.Sanders (2011: 22 Catches, 288 Yards, 2 TD’s) and Cotchery (2011: 16 Catches, 237 Yards, 2 TD’s) are both intelligent and savvy route-runners, both have solid athletic ability, and most importantly, both have reliable hands. The only big issue with these two players will be their collective healths, because both were dinged up last season and only late in the year appeared to contribute on a regular basis. If you can remember back to 2010, Sanders emerged as a steady target for Big Ben as the season progressed, and health permitting, he could resume that role in 2012. If not, the veteran Cotchery can fill in and do an adequate job and pick up those tough 1st Downs to keep drives alive. Plus, with a full offseason to learn the new Offense and work with Ben under his belt, Cotchery could revert back to his successful ways in the slot like when he was with the Jets.

5. Mike Adams

The second Willie Colon came public with the news that he was moving to Left Guard, two thoughts crossed my mind: 1. Yahoo! Colon is moving to his more natural position. 2. It is now time to see massive (6’7″ 323 lbs.) Rookie Mike Adams in action. Adams will definitely have his plate full because it is not common for many Rookies to start at Left Tackle for a contending team in Week 1 of the season. Still, the Steelers must have supreme confidence in Adams and the hope that he cleaned up his act off the field, because he will likely be answering the bell Week 1 now.In terms of pure talent and athletic ability, only Matt Kalil of Southern California in my opinion was a better Left Tackle prospect than Adams in this past April’s Draft. Adams had a good deal of experience at Left Tackle at the college level (23 starts), and most importantly could have a chip on his shoulder for the rest of his career due to where he was drafted. If Adams is motivated enough to play for his hometown team and prove all his doubters and detractors wrong, look out, because the Steelers might have found a blind-side protector for Ben.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/05/18/5-steelers-ready-to-breakout-in-2012-part-i-offense/?repeat=w3tc (http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/05/18/5-steelers-ready-to-breakout-in-2012-part-i-offense/?repeat=w3tc)

hawaiiansteel
05-19-2012, 09:10 PM
this is not helping, both rookies need as many reps as possible:

David DeCastro and Mike Adams can not participate in Steelers OTA’s

May 19th, 2012

The Steelers first two draft picks who both look like they are on their way to starting roles for the Steelers are unable to participate in OTA’s with the team from a report by Mark Kaboly. DeCastro and Adams both have obligations to their colleges and have to finish school before being able to join the team. They both will be able to participate in mini camp with the team in June.

This is nothing new. The Steelers have seen this before as have many other teams. It stinks though for the simple fact that it would have been nice to get these guys out on the field with their teammates rather then other rookies who are not going to play. Have them get some chemistry started early. These guys both have very high potential and the more they are on the field with their teammates the faster they will gel. We still have all summer though.

http://bleedblackandgold.com/blog/20...steelers-otas/ (http://bleedblackandgold.com/blog/2012/05/19/david-decastro-and-mike-adams-can-not-participate-in-steelers-otas/)

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 12:12 AM
5 Steelers Ready To Breakout In 2012, Part II: Defense

May 19th, 2012 by DomSteelers

I certainly hope you enjoyed the first part of my “potential breakout” players post. Today’s list will feature the same format as yesterday’s, only it will feature five Steelers on the Defensive side of the ball. Let’s get started shall we:

1. Cameron Heyward

While Cameron Heyward went through some growing pains at times while working his way into the 5-Technique rotation as a Rookie, he showed some really nice flashes of talent at stopping the run and getting after the passer when asked as the season progressed. Rookie status aside, Heyward improved quite a bit towards the end of the season, and appeared much further along development wise than Ziggy Hood was (who was a 4-3 DT in college) at the same point in his career.

Heyward will get numerous chances to strut his stuff in Training Camp, and he will be the top backup 5-Technique in the Steelers’ Defensive End rotation. If Heyward can log quality playing time and spell the aging yet still very effective Brett Keisel, it would be a perfect scenario for the Steelers. The soon to be 34 year old Keisel can stay fresh throughout the season, and Heyward can get a decent amount of work in his second season with the team. Be on the lookout for Heyward to vastly improve upon his stat line from 2011 which read: 11 Tackles, 1.0 Sack, 1 Pass Defended, and 1 Field Goal Block. The more reps Heyward can ultimately receive, the more he can make a difference.

2. Jason Worilds

Although Worilds will likely be a backup this season, it will not take away from his total contributions to the team and ability to make a bigger difference than he did last season. A pass-rushing Outside Linebacker, Worilds will be the top reserve behind James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley, and should see some extended playing time if the Coaching Staff elects to keep both veterans fresh (Harrison especially).

Adding to Worilds’ value is the fact that Harrison is 34 and a Public Enemy #2 (behind Jonathan Vilma now) of Roger Goodell and the N.F.L.’s crusade to wash their hands of future lawsuits. Deebo probably has another two solid seasons of production left, but if Worilds proves he can spell Deebo effectively, Harrison might be able to extend his career, and the Steelers would have themselves a viable candidate to replace Harrison when the time comes, or the N.F.L. decides to kick him out if they so choose. Plus it would not hurt if Worilds got in the game in some sub-package pass-rushing situations. Even a “Psycho” type package with Harrison, Woodley, and Worilds plus 2 Linemen and 6 Defensive Backs would be pretty sweet to see at some point. But hey, I can only dream of something so very awesome.

I have faith that Harrison and Woodley can both stay healthy over the 16+ game haul, and that disaster will likely not strike twice. Yet after last season, where both guys went down at the same time and missed extended periods, the Steelers lack of depth was exposed, and the value of a player like Worilds increased. While Worilds set career highs in Tackles (39) and Sacks (3.0), he must be ready to take his game to the next level this season if he indeed receives the chances.

3. Steve McLendon

Of all of Pittsburgh’s young players on the Defensive side of the ball which intrigue me, McLendon is the biggest enigma of them all in my opinion. Another one of Pittsburgh’s Undrafted and developed contributors, McLendon (6’4″ 280 lbs.) will be get his most extended chance to play during Training Camp and throughout the 2012 season as he battles for the backup Nose Tackle spot and playing time along the Defensive Line as well.

Because the Steelers are not the most keen franchise on starting Rookies (if they are not forced to do it), especially on the Defensive side of the ball. With that in mind, McLendon (hopefully he put on more weight to his frame) could leap-frog massive Rookie Alameda Ta’amu for the backup role behind “Big Snack” Hampton, in what will likely be Hampton’s final season. If for some reason “Snack’s” injured knee cannot hold up, McLendon will likely jump from top backup Nose Tackle to starter. McLendon could also see some time in pass-rush sub packages, and could even be asked to fill in for spells at Defensive End if injuries hit the “Top 3″ rotation. If McLendon’s weight hovers at closer to 280 lbs. than 300-310 lbs., the Steelers might be wise to give him some extra reps. there if “Snack” is healthy. Whatever the case may be, this will be a big season for McLendon, and Defensive Line Coach John Mitchell seems to have quite a bit of faith in him. Thus, I am pretty intrigued to see what he can do with some extra playing time.

4. Cortez Allen and/or Curtis Brown

Like Sanders and Cotchery, I combined Allen and Brown into one spot. This is because the winner of the competition between the two for 3rd Cornerback (or possibly even CB#2) role will likely see the most playing time, and thus have the most chances to prove themselves. Last season, both proved themselves as terrific contributors on Special Teams, and Allen even received some playing time in Dime situations. Both players have big frames (Allen: 6’1″ 196 lbs. and Brown: 6′ 185 lbs.) the Steelers like in their Corners, and each will likely be asked to shut down teams which try to dink and dunk the Steelers and pick them apart when they spread the field in sub packages this season.

With a full season and off-season to learn under Defensive Backs Coach Carnell Lake, Allen and Brown should be ready to step up their games and fill the void left by William Gay and Bryant McFadden who are now gone. Regardless of who lands ahead of who on the depth chart, both figure to be significant contributors this season. Plus, with Ike Taylor at 32 years of age, and Keenan Lewis an Unrestricted Free Agent after this season, Brown and Allen are sure to be contributing even more in the future.

5. Stevenson Sylvester

Like Worilds and Heyward, Sylvester could end up spending most if not all of the season as a backup. Nevertheless, Sylvester could chip in quite a bit this season and make significant strides as an Inside Linebacker and on the Defensive side of the ball. Because the Steelers drafted David DeCastro instead of Inside Linebacker Dont’a Hightower this April, and did not address the strongside Inside Linebacker position this offseason, the door is open for Sylvester to work his way up the depth chart and prove himself that he is a valid candidate to take over in the future.

At this point, the only thing standing in Stevenson Sylvester’s way and the starting “Buck” Inside Linebacker gig is Larry Foote, a 32 year old veteran. Linebackers Coach Keith Butler has Foote penciled in as the starter due to his veteran savvy and knowledge of the Defense, but said that Sylvester is “in the pipeline” to start at the “Buck” position down the road. Plus, being the only Inside Linebacker behind Lawrence Timmons and Foote with any sort of significant game experience works in Sylvester’s favor if he must play on a regular basis this season. Thus, 2012 will be a big season for Sylvester to solidify a roster spot for himself and putting himself in line for a future starting job with some solid play when he gets his chances.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/05/19/5-steelers-ready-to-breakout-in-2012-part-ii-defense/

Crash
05-22-2012, 03:21 AM
Hopefully, new Offensive Coordinator Todd Haley will use Miller (2011: 51 Catches, 631 Yards, 2 TD’s) in the role Ken Whisenhunt used him in during his first two seasons, and like Haley used Tony Moeaki in Kansas City during the 2010 season: a prime Red Zone target.

Have to love re-visionist history.

Under Whiz Heath Miller failed to catch 40 passes in each of his first two seasons in the league. And that was when they had an OL with Smith, Faneca, and Hartings on it and Miller wasn't having to sit in the backfield and block.

Slapstick
05-22-2012, 08:35 AM
I think the author was referring to Miller's TD total in his first three years: 18. Miller scored far more TDs in his first three years than in the last four...I haven't looked up the stats, but I would bet that nearly all of those TDs were Red Zone targets...

Crash
05-22-2012, 11:25 AM
Well the great Moeaki had THREE under Haley.

But Miller's seasons with 2 (one of them he missed 2 games) is somehow being misused?

Again, revisionist history.

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 12:12 PM
Have to love re-visionist history.

Under Whiz Heath Miller failed to catch 40 passes in each of his first two seasons in the league. And that was when they had an OL with Smith, Faneca, and Hartings on it and Miller wasn't having to sit in the backfield and block.

yeah... funny how winning and love for "anyone but BA" can cloud history.

phillyesq
05-22-2012, 01:55 PM
Miller had 18 tds in his first 3 seasons, and 13 TDs in the 4 seasons since. Leaving aside issues of Haley v. Arians or whatever else, I think that finding ways to get the ball to somebody with Miller's size and hands in the red zone makes sense.

Crash
05-22-2012, 02:11 PM
Miller had 18 tds in his first 3 seasons, and 13 TDs in the 4 seasons since. Leaving aside issues of Haley v. Arians or whatever else, I think that finding ways to get the ball to somebody with Miller's size and hands in the red zone makes sense.

Then quit running on 65% of first downs in the red zone [showing the commitment to the ground game II demanded] and also wasting Miller as a side car blocker because the OL sucks.

phillyesq
05-22-2012, 02:36 PM
Then quit running on 65% of first downs in the red zone [showing the commitment to the ground game II demanded] and also wasting Miller as a side car blocker because the OL sucks.

I believe the demand was to run more effectively, not necessarily more often.

In any event, I would love to see the first play in the red zone be something other than a 2 yard run to the right.

Captain Lemming
05-22-2012, 03:03 PM
I believe the demand was to run more effectively, not necessarily more often.

In any event, I would love to see the first play in the red zone be something other than a 2 yard run to the right.

I am more excited about the prospect of a red zone run to the right actually WORKING thanks to our solidified interior line. :)

RuthlessBurgher
05-22-2012, 04:19 PM
Then quit running on 65% of first downs in the red zone [showing the commitment to the ground game II demanded] and also wasting Miller as a side car blocker because the OL sucks.

What is the point of complaining about past play calling, when we have a new play caller now? Your favorite li'l yinzer golf coach ain't gonna do what Arians did in the red zone.

Crash
05-22-2012, 04:23 PM
What is the point of complaining about past play calling, when we have a new play caller now? Your favorite li'l yinzer golf coach ain't gonna do what Arians did in the red zone.

We'll see. What Art wants Art gets.

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 04:49 PM
We'll see. What Art wants Art gets.



right on then because I think all of us would like to see the Steelers be able to run the ball more effectively.

Crash
05-22-2012, 05:15 PM
right on then because I think all of us would like to see the Steelers be able to run the ball more effectively.

Actually I wish they were more worried about winning games instead of obsessing over protecting the pristine image of this defense and trying to re-create 1975 football.

ikestops85
05-22-2012, 05:32 PM
right on then because I think all of us would like to see the Steelers be able to run the ball more effectively.

and I believe that is what Art said ... "we need to be able to run the ball more effectively". Not that we need to commit more to the run game. We just need to keep Ben out of the 3rd and 8's and get him into more of the 3rd and 3's. That way we can utilize ALL of his talent.

phillyesq
05-22-2012, 05:34 PM
Actually I wish they were more worried about winning games instead of obsessing over protecting the pristine image of this defense and trying to re-create 1975 football.

How qre being able to run effectively and winning football games mutually exclusive? Look at the final four teams last year -- the 49ers had a strong running game, as did the Ravens. The pats* were able to run effectively, thus preventing teams from loading up too much to stop the pass. The Giants could also create enough of a threat with the run game.

The offense doesn't need to be three yards and a cloud of dust, but an effective ground game that forces defenses to play straight up will only help the passing game.

Crash
05-22-2012, 05:35 PM
You guys watch, the MINUTE Haley calls for three straight red zone pass plays.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yinzers know three things: Blame Ben, save the defense, run the ball because Franco did 40 years ago.

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 05:35 PM
Actually I wish they were more worried about winning games instead of obsessing over protecting the pristine image of this defense and trying to re-create 1975 football.


you don't believe that by running the ball more effectively (i.e. near the goal line or in short yardage situations) that might enable us to win more games?)

Crash
05-22-2012, 05:41 PM
you don't believe that by running the ball more effectively (i.e. near the goal line or in short yardage situations) that might enable us to win more games?)

I would rather use my skill players and use the $100 million QB I am paying to win games.

If they would rather obsess over the run and re-create 1975? Send Ben on his way, and load up on RBs and defense.

The defense will NEVER be blamed for their faults. It will always be the offense who gets torched.

Crash
05-22-2012, 05:42 PM
How qre being able to run effectively and winning football games mutually exclusive? Look at the final four teams last year -- the 49ers had a strong running game, as did the Ravens. The pats* were able to run effectively, thus preventing teams from loading up too much to stop the pass. The Giants could also create enough of a threat with the run game.

The offense doesn't need to be three yards and a cloud of dust, but an effective ground game that forces defenses to play straight up will only help the passing game.

Where were the Giants and Pats ranked in rushing last season?

Eddie Spaghetti
05-22-2012, 05:47 PM
I think it's pretty clear that Crash would rather see ben play well than the steelers win the football game.

I have never seen a bigger mancrush in all my years on the interweb.

just downright spooky.

Crash
05-22-2012, 05:51 PM
I think it's pretty clear that Crash would rather see ben play well than the steelers win the football game.


I would rather this organization realize that it's 2012 and not 1975.

You win by throwing the football and you win with speed. You don't win with dinosaur football.

What were the Steelers ranked in rushing in 2008?

Eddie Spaghetti
05-22-2012, 06:00 PM
I'm pretty confident the rooneys know what year it is. I have never heard the term "dinosaur football" come from anyone associated with the team. just you.

why is running the ball more effectively a bad thing?

wouldn't that give the steelers a better chance to win football games?

Crash
05-22-2012, 06:05 PM
why is running the ball more effectively a bad thing?

In 2011 they had their highest YPC, in TEN YEARS.

And Arians still got canned.

The running game isn't why Tim %^&*(O) Tebow threw for 316 freaking yards.

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 06:17 PM
If we throw 3 straight times in the red zone and score who will boo? All fans want is 6 instead of 3 and we don't care how the O gets it.


Funny thing Crash is your reference to 2008... the O was horrible until the playoffs.

feltdizz
05-22-2012, 06:19 PM
In 2011 they had their highest YPC, in TEN YEARS.

And Arians still got canned.

The running game isn't why Tim %^&*(O) Tebow threw for 316 freaking yards.[/COLOR]

Scoring offense sucked...

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 06:42 PM
Scoring offense sucked...


21st out of 32 teams in scoring points, not the standard Mike Tomlin is looking for.

RuthlessBurgher
05-22-2012, 06:50 PM
21st out of 32 teams in scoring points, not the standard Mike Tomlin is looking for.

Yup...scoring TD's is what counts. Don't care if we run the ball 14 times in a row or pass the ball 14 times in a row. As long as our sucktastic kicker is lining up for a makeable PAT instead of a questionable FG, I'll be happy.

phillyesq
05-22-2012, 07:11 PM
Where were the Giants and Pats ranked in rushing last season?

I have no idea. But I do know that they both could run if teams dropped into a cover two with the safeties deep or against a nickel package.

I'm not saying that the Steelers shouldn't use Ben, the WRs and Miller. What I'm saying is that a balanced attack will benefit Ben and the WRs.

phillyesq
05-22-2012, 07:12 PM
and I believe that is what Art said ... "we need to be able to run the ball more effectively". Not that we need to commit more to the run game. We just need to keep Ben out of the 3rd and 8's and get him into more of the 3rd and 3's. That way we can utilize ALL of his talent.

Hmm, no response from somebody who was so worried about inaccuracies earlier in the thread.

Crash
05-22-2012, 07:20 PM
21st out of 32 teams in scoring points, not the standard Mike Tomlin is looking for.

And with new kickoff rules pretty much negating returns and a defense that only forces 15 turnovers all year? The chances you get to score will be limited because you go 75-80 yards every time you score points.

Gotta have some cheap possessions, not go the length of the field all day.

Crash
05-22-2012, 07:22 PM
I have no idea. But I do know that they both could run if teams dropped into a cover two with the safeties deep or against a nickel package.

I'm not saying that the Steelers shouldn't use Ben, the WRs and Miller. What I'm saying is that a balanced attack will benefit Ben and the WRs.

And 58% runs on first down isn't balanced, is it?

That's where the problem lied. But Arians only did what he was told.

2 weeks ago Colon said he expects to run more.

Pouncey said today that he expects to run more, ESPECIALLY in the red zone.

If you guys don't see where this is headed? That's all on you.

hawaiiansteel
05-22-2012, 08:09 PM
this quote from Maurkice Pouncey at today's OTAs:

"Pouncey says he is a big fan of the new offensive playbook according to Mike Prisuta and added that the new offense is going to be a lot different, and that it will have a lot more running plays. Prisuta also quoted Pouncey as saying, "We might run it a lot more in the red zone."

Crash
05-22-2012, 08:31 PM
And they ran the ball on 65% of 1st downs in the red zone last season. So WTF? Are they gonna run every f'n play?

fordfixer
05-22-2012, 08:59 PM
Back to 1975:p

Crash
05-22-2012, 09:12 PM
Wouldn't shock me.

Slapstick
05-23-2012, 06:22 AM
And they ran the ball on 65% of 1st downs in the red zone last season. So WTF? Are they gonna run every f'n play?

It does explain why Arians was given the boot...

AR II's mandate was, "run the ball more effectively when we need to."

Well, if you are running the ball on 65% of 1st downs in the red zone, but you are only 21st in scoring, that's not effective....

Blame bad execution, bad play calling, bad play design, whatever...the bottom line is that it didn't happen...

Don't confuse "running the ball more" with "running the ball more effectively." The last part is the most important.

Arians did and that's why he's in Indy...

RuthlessBurgher
05-23-2012, 10:14 AM
Just because Haley's playbook has more running plays doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to be running the ball a ton. I think Arians' playbook had only 2 running plays...RUTFM and Kemo pulling to the right with the RB running into Kemo. That's about it. Haley likely has more running plays that will actually keep the defense guessing as opposed to attempting the same runs again and again and again.

Crash
05-23-2012, 11:15 AM
It does explain why Arians was given the boot...

AR II's mandate was, "run the ball more effectively when we need to."

Well, if you are running the ball on 65% of 1st downs in the red zone, but you are only 21st in scoring, that's not effective....

Blame bad execution, bad play calling, bad play design, whatever...the bottom line is that it didn't happen...

Don't confuse "running the ball more" with "running the ball more effectively." The last part is the most important.

Arians did and that's why he's in Indy...

Arians is in Indy because they won't dare fire Dick LeBeau. Now you watch, if the same 4th quarter defense happens in 2012 now that a local Yinzer is running the offense all of the sudden LeBeau will finally get some heat.

The offense had their highest YPC in TEN YEARS, I'd say that meets the criteria that II wanted, no?

Slapstick
05-23-2012, 11:18 AM
Arians is in Indy because they won't dare fire Dick LeBeau. Now you watch, if the same 4th quarter defense happens in 2012 now that a local Yinzer is running the offense all of the sudden LeBeau will finally get some heat.

The offense had their highest YPC in TEN YEARS, I'd say that meets the criteria that II wanted, no?

No. 21st in scoring + 65% runs on 1st down in end zone = not effective.

Crash
05-23-2012, 11:26 AM
No. 21st in scoring + 65% runs on 1st down in end zone = not effective.

And like I said, 15 forced turnovers all year, combined with longer fields because of kickoff rules? That's going to chew time because you don't get any cheap possessions to score points.

When you are going 75-80 yards every drive, and are 30th (I think) in starting field position? Their "rank" in scoring really isn't all that surprising.

As they say for the beloved defense: The other team gets paid too.

Slapstick
05-23-2012, 11:29 AM
And like I said, 15 forced turnovers all year, combined with longer fields because of kickoff rules? That's going to chew time because you don't get any cheap possessions to score points.

When you are going 75-80 yards every drive, and are 30th (I think) in starting field position? Their "rank" in scoring really isn't all that surprising.

As they say for the beloved defense: The other team gets paid too.

The defense and Arians are two separate issues. Arians isn't evaluated upon what the defense does.

21st in scoring + 65% runs in the red zone = not effective.

feltdizz
05-23-2012, 11:31 AM
The defense and Arians are two separate issues. Arians isn't evaluated upon what the defense does.

21st in scoring + 65% runs in the red zone = not effective.

in 2009 Arians was blamed for every defensive collapse.

Crash
05-23-2012, 11:39 AM
in 2009 Arians was blamed for every defensive collapse.

Yep. And that's why we are where we are.

Two 1000 yard WRs, 1200 yard rusher, Ben threw 26 TD passes in 15 games, and the offense was in the top 10.

But because nobody dare bash Dick LeBeau's precious 4th quarter defense, the offense got ripped for not making the playoffs.

RuthlessBurgher
05-23-2012, 12:13 PM
Yep. And that's why we are where we are.

Two 1000 yard WRs, 1200 yard rusher, Ben threw 26 TD passes in 15 games, and the offense was in the top 10.

But because nobody dare bash Dick LeBeau's precious 4th quarter defense, the offense got ripped for not making the playoffs.

Last season, the defense lead the entire league in points against, total yards against, and passing yards against.

When was the last time the offense lead the league in anything?

Slapstick
05-23-2012, 12:21 PM
in 2009 Arians was blamed for every defensive collapse.

In 2009, injuries were blamed for every defensive collapse...

My God, talk about revisionist history....

Crash
05-23-2012, 12:26 PM
Last season, the defense lead the entire league in points against, total yards against, and passing yards against

And yet they still got torched by Joe Flacco and in OT by Tim Tebow.

Two examples, how long was the Texans scoring drive to open that game? How can our offense score when they don't see the field for 11 minutes?

Example #2, how long was the STEELERS scoring drive to open that game against the Pats? Now, did our defense "stop" Brady, or did our OFFENSE keep him off the field?

I look at WHEN they give up points. Because the offense keeping this defense off the field with TOP has always been a key to their success.

Crash
05-23-2012, 12:27 PM
In 2009, injuries were blamed for every defensive collapse...

My God, talk about revisionist history....

So Art whines about the running game after 2009 because injuries were blamed for the defense?

If you say so.

Slapstick
05-23-2012, 12:30 PM
So Art whines about the running game after 2009 because injuries were blamed for the defense?

If you say so.

Art whined about the running game because it wasn't effective...it still wasn't in 2011...

Separate issue from the defense...

Crash
05-23-2012, 12:40 PM
Art whined about the running game because it wasn't effective...it still wasn't in 2011...

So a 1200 yard rusher from a guy who didn't start until the 4th game of the year wasn't effective in 2009?

The highest YPC in 10 SEASONS as a team in 2011 wasn't effective either?

Again, if you say so.

feltdizz
05-23-2012, 01:04 PM
In 2009, injuries were blamed for every defensive collapse...

My God, talk about revisionist history....

Not on here they weren't... or the Trib?

Slapstick
05-23-2012, 01:12 PM
Not on here they weren't... or the Trib?

Yes, they were...Smith, Polamalu, etc....