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SteelCrazy
05-14-2012, 07:28 PM
By Lisa Stewart (http://contributor.yahoo.com/user/1256627/lisa_stewart.html) | Yahoo! Contributor Network

Just like any organization, the NFL has players that you can't help but root against. Players that if you ran into them at the grocery store, you would rather give a right hook than a handshake. While many professional athletes strive to set a good example for young fans, these are the players that are considered by many to be the anti-hero. They are the five most hated players in the NFL: Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - Roethlisberger, the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, has been accused of sexual assault (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/story/2012-01-20/ben-roethlisberger-settles-lawsuit/52702798/1), though no chargers were ever filed, and rape. The rape case was settled, yet the specifics of the settlement have never been made public. The NFL suspended Roethlisberger based on violating its personal conduct policy. While many people can agree that Big Ben is a pretty good quarterback, the consensus also seems to be that he's not such a great guy.
Tim Tebow, New York Jets - If there was a list of the most loved NFL players, quarterback Tim Tebow would likely make that list as well. It seems people either adore Tim Tebow, or they really can't stand him. Tebow is known for his open expression of religious faith both on and off the football field, which has produced not only flocks of followers, but gaggles of eye rollers as well.
Terrell Owens, currently without a team - TO played several seasons with the Dallas Cowboys and most recently spent the 2010 season with the Cincinnati Bengals. TO is looking to make a comeback after injury, but so far there are no takers in the NFL. This is likely due in large part to his over the top outspoken personality, as well has his public profile as an absentee father to his four children (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-terrell-owens-20120509,0,3619567.story). It seems he has too much baggage for any team to carry.
Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles - Michael Vick was accused of, convicted, and sent to jail for his participation in the brutal crime of dog fighting. Though Vick has expressed regret and now speaks out against animal cruelty (http://phillyburbs.csnphilly.com/04/16/12/Eagles-Vick-speaks-out-against-cockfight/landing.html?blockID=690550), it is difficult for many to separate the quarterback from the horrific images associated with his past.
James Harrison, Pittsburgh Steelers - Harrison plays the game in a brutal way that gives football a bad name. He has been fined and suspended for illegal hits time and time again (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-10681243), and offers no apologies. Harrison has made it clear that is how he plays and will continue to play, crushing quarterbacks with concussions that leave them on the sidelines for weeks on end, and who knows what other ill effects as they age.
Martha Bellisle, "Ben Roethlisberger settles lawsuit alleging 2008 rape," usatoday.com Chuck Shilken, "Terrell Owens faces mothers of his children on 'Dr. Phil' " latimes.com
Associated Press, "Eagles' Vick speaks out against cockfighting," phillyburbs.com
Lisa Stewart, "Pittsburgh Steelers' James Harrison deserves much more than suspension: Fan's Take," sports.yahoo.com

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/5-most-hated-players-nfl-170200356--nfl.html

LOL.......unbelieveable

Discipline of Steel
05-14-2012, 09:47 PM
Nothing like a womans opinion to further emasculate the NFL :rolleyes:

(not saying Steeler chicks are like that)

Sugar
05-14-2012, 09:49 PM
OK, so Big Ben is hated for supposedly being a pig and then Tebow is hated for not being enough of one?

This is a bit funny to me as Ben and Deebo are my favorite players (along with Troy).

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
05-15-2012, 10:20 AM
You just have to read this from her biography to understand who she is:


Lisa Stewart Lisa is a married mother of two living in the suburbs of Cincinnati, Ohio.

Oviedo
05-15-2012, 10:54 AM
This rates a big "WHO CARES"

Funny this chick is from Cincinnati and not one of the slew of wrong-doers from the Bumgals makes the list.

Please start OTAs so we have something meaningful to talk about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mister Pittsburgh
05-15-2012, 12:05 PM
Tim Tebow, New York Jets - If there was a list of the most loved NFL players, quarterback Tim Tebow would likely make that list as well. It seems people either adore Tim Tebow, or they really can't stand him. Tebow is known for his open expression of religious faith both on and off the football field, which has produced not only flocks of followers, but gaggles of eye rollers as well.

I don't really get why he takes so much heat....Troy mentions God in just about every interview and crosses himself after just about every play but people don't rag on him.....

RuthlessBurgher
05-15-2012, 12:17 PM
I don't think that Tebow gets that much heat...some people who have watched NFL quarterbacks play for the last several decades just note that he can't throw the ball all that well by comparison, and people somehow construe that as hate. Say anything negative whatsoever about the football abilities of Timmy Christ and suddenly you are a heathen somehow. Perhaps some people resent the irrational amount of attention the guy gets, but since Favre retired, the ESPN empty heads needs something to talk about, right?

Oviedo
05-15-2012, 01:58 PM
I don't think that Tebow gets that much heat...some people who have watched NFL quarterbacks play for the last several decades just note that he can't throw the ball all that well by comparison, and people somehow construe that as hate. Say anything negative whatsoever about the football abilities of Timmy Christ and suddenly you are a heathen somehow. Perhaps some people resent the irrational amount of attention the guy gets, but since Favre retired, the ESPN empty heads needs something to talk about, right?

Not sure you are a "heathen" but you increased your chances of burning in hell. People don't like Tebow because of the amount of attention. Like anything else too much is usually too much.

Djfan
05-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Not sure you are a "heathen" but you increased your chances of burning in hell. People don't like Tebow because of the amount of attention. Like anything else too much is usually too much.


I genuinely feel that Tebow's attention is not him seeking it out. He gets press and analysis from every corner, but don't see him being the source of it. Just the focus of it.

As for Ben, classic case of guilty until proven innocent. White, male, heterosexuals have a different court of public opinion than others do.

feltdizz
05-15-2012, 03:18 PM
Tim Tebow, New York Jets - If there was a list of the most loved NFL players, quarterback Tim Tebow would likely make that list as well. It seems people either adore Tim Tebow, or they really can't stand him. Tebow is known for his open expression of religious faith both on and off the football field, which has produced not only flocks of followers, but gaggles of eye rollers as well.

I don't really get why he takes so much heat....Troy mentions God in just about every interview and crosses himself after just about every play but people don't rag on him.....

Troy has more than enough tape to show how awesome he is...

Tebow is pretty much a back up who needed a few miracles(injuries) to even see the field... when you get this much attention and 75% of it isn't for on field production it's obvious why he gets hated on.

Most of the hate is towards his fans though... people get tired of being called a bigot because they aren't mesmerized by an awful throwing motion, low completion percentage and gimmick offense.

feltdizz
05-15-2012, 03:25 PM
I genuinely feel that Tebow's attention is not him seeking it out. He gets press and analysis from every corner, but don't see him being the source of it. Just the focus of it.

As for Ben, classic case of guilty until proven innocent. White, male, heterosexuals have a different court of public opinion than others do.

I disagree....

Athletes have a different court of public opinion. Any athlete who has 2 sexual assault charges in 12 months will be viewed as such.

RuthlessBurgher
05-15-2012, 03:33 PM
White, male, heterosexuals have a different court of public opinion than others do.

Yeah, we all know that blacks, women, and gays are never subject to unjust persecution. :wft

feltdizz
05-15-2012, 03:47 PM
Yeah, we all know that blacks, women, and gays are never subject to unjust persecution. :wft

I don't see how being a white heterosexual male put Ben behind the 8ball....

Is it really that hard for fans to admit Ben made a few bad choices with his other head?

Oviedo
05-15-2012, 05:01 PM
Yeah, we all know that blacks, women, and gays are never subject to unjust persecution. :wft

In the case you described it is always viewed as "persection". In the case of a white male, heterosexual it is viewed a righteous payback and getting their comeuppance for being part of the persecuting fraternity.

Djfan
05-15-2012, 05:05 PM
Guys, I was joking.

RuthlessBurgher
05-15-2012, 07:04 PM
When joking, be sure to include one of those silly yellow circles with different facial expressions on them...:p:D:);):cool::lol:

RuthlessBurgher
05-15-2012, 07:07 PM
I don't see how being a white heterosexual male put Ben behind the 8ball....

Only one white heterosexual male is behind the 8 ball...David Puddy.

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/puddy8ball.jpg

HIGH FIVE! :p

feltdizz
05-15-2012, 09:06 PM
Guys, I was joking.

ohh... now I get it! LOL...

Crash
05-15-2012, 11:19 PM
I disagree....

Athletes have a different court of public opinion. Any athlete who has 2 sexual assault charges in 12 months will be viewed as such.

You just proved his point.

HE HAS NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

The media witch hunt, which was nothing but tabloid junk BS suspended Ben more than anything because of his race.

And you just did the same damn thing the media was guilty of.

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how Ben was suspended, and yet Brandon Marshall according to the NFL was NOT SUBJECT to PCP suspension because no charges were filed when he and Ben play in the same league.

What else could it be? Two players, both not charged, but according to the NFL the uncharged black player wasn't eligible for PCP suspension but the uncharged cracker from Pittsburgh was exiled for a month.

If it's not race, what was the reason then?

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 08:29 AM
You just proved his point.

HE HAS NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

The media witch hunt, which was nothing but tabloid junk BS suspended Ben more than anything because of his race.

And you just did the same damn thing the media was guilty of.

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how Ben was suspended, and yet Brandon Marshall according to the NFL was NOT SUBJECT to PCP suspension because no charges were filed when he and Ben play in the same league.

What else could it be? Two players, both not charged, but according to the NFL the uncharged black player wasn't eligible for PCP suspension but the uncharged cracker from Pittsburgh was exiled for a month.

If it's not race, what was the reason then?

fan's don't hate players because they were unjustly suspended by Goodell...

Slapstick
05-16-2012, 08:42 AM
fan's don't hate players because they were unjustly suspended by Goodell...

Unless their names happen to be Ben Roethlisberger or James Harrison...

I don't buy the racial angle, because while Brandon Marshall is black, James Harrison also happens to be black...and hey, Jonathan Vilma is black and he's out for a year while Scott Fujita is white and he's only out for a few games...

But, I do believe that both James Harrison and Ben Roethlisberger have a higher public profile than Brandon Marshall...it is for that reason and that reason only that their respective unjust punishments were more severe than others...

Oviedo
05-16-2012, 09:19 AM
You just proved his point.

HE HAS NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

The media witch hunt, which was nothing but tabloid junk BS suspended Ben more than anything because of his race.

And you just did the same damn thing the media was guilty of.

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how Ben was suspended, and yet Brandon Marshall according to the NFL was NOT SUBJECT to PCP suspension because no charges were filed when he and Ben play in the same league.

What else could it be? Two players, both not charged, but according to the NFL the uncharged black player wasn't eligible for PCP suspension but the uncharged cracker from Pittsburgh was exiled for a month.

If it's not race, what was the reason then?

In Ben's case it was about "making up" for Goodell's past actions against exclusively black players. All you had to do was watch the NFL Network and the former black players all calling for Ben to be crucified and blatantly challenging Goodell on the air as to whether there would be a double standard.

Oviedo
05-16-2012, 09:20 AM
Unless their names happen to be Ben Roethlisberger or James Harrison...

I don't buy the racial angle, because while Brandon Marshall is black, James Harrison also happens to be black...and hey, Jonathan Vilma is black and he's out for a year while Scott Fujita is white and he's only out for a few games...

But, I do believe that both James Harrison and Ben Roethlisberger have a higher public profile than Brandon Marshall...it is for that reason and that reason only that their respective unjust punishments were more severe than others...

The "high profile" part of this is why Harrison needs to keep his mouth shut and his fingers away from Twitter with regards to anything related to physical play and violence.

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 09:38 AM
In Ben's case it was about "making up" for Goodell's past actions against exclusively black players. All you had to do was watch the NFL Network and the former black players all calling for Ben to be crucified and blatantly challenging Goodell on the air as to whether there would be a double standard.

It still had no impact on the amount of hate Ben gets for being accused of sexual assault 2 times...

If Ben was never suspended by Goodell do you really think he would be loved more by the fans?

Djfan
05-16-2012, 09:51 AM
It still had no impact on the amount of hate Ben gets for being accused of sexual assault 2 times...

If Ben was never suspended by Goodell do you really think he would be loved more by the fans?

If the media had any integrity (never going to happen), they would have spun this story about an underaged, drunk, slutty, gold digger trying to extort money from Ben. Not the way they did.

RuthlessBurgher
05-16-2012, 10:17 AM
You just proved his point.

HE HAS NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

The media witch hunt, which was nothing but tabloid junk BS suspended Ben more than anything because of his race.

And you just did the same damn thing the media was guilty of.

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how Ben was suspended, and yet Brandon Marshall according to the NFL was NOT SUBJECT to PCP suspension because no charges were filed when he and Ben play in the same league.

What else could it be? Two players, both not charged, but according to the NFL the uncharged black player wasn't eligible for PCP suspension but the uncharged cracker from Pittsburgh was exiled for a month.

If it's not race, what was the reason then?

Higher profile players means more negative press for the league therefore results in action by Goodell. Ben's high profile. Someone like Perrish Cox is not. Even though Cox was arrested and charged with class three and class four felonies, and Ben was charged with, well, nothing, Ben received a harsh suspension while Cox received no discipline from the league. Not because Ben is white and Cox is black. Because even your neighbor's grandmother knows who Ben Roethlisberger is, while many ardent football fans have never heard of Perrish Cox. All of these stories on national primetime network news programs about Ben "tarnished the shield" (even if he committed no crimes, putting himself in a potentially negative situation was deemed suspension worthy simply because the stories made the league look bad, even if the stories themselves had little if any basis in reality...they were most overblown opinion pieces with very little factual information), but Cox's indecretions were only publicized in a brief paragraph in the margins on page 5 of the sports section of the newspaper.

Sugar
05-16-2012, 10:44 AM
It still had no impact on the amount of hate Ben gets for being accused of sexual assault 2 times...

If Ben was never suspended by Goodell do you really think he would be loved more by the fans?

Part of the reason many believe that Ben is a bad guy is because the NFL suspended him. They wouldn't suspend an innocent guy, right?

Oviedo
05-16-2012, 10:56 AM
Higher profile players means more negative press for the league therefore results in action by Goodell. Ben's high profile. Someone like Perrish Cox is not. Even though Cox was arrested and charged with class three and class four felonies, and Ben was charged with, well, nothing, Ben received a harsh suspension while Cox received no discipline from the league. Not because Ben is white and Cox is black. Because even your neighbor's grandmother knows who Ben Roethlisberger is, while many ardent football fans have never heard of Perrish Cox. All of these stories on national primetime network news programs about Ben "tarnished the shield" (even if he committed no crimes, putting himself in a potentially negative situation was deemed suspension worthy simply because the stories made the league look bad, even if the stories themselves had little if any basis in reality...they were most overblown opinion pieces with very little factual information), but Cox's indecretions were only publicized in a brief paragraph in the margins on page 5 of the sports section of the newspaper.

Any form of a judicial system, and that is what Goodell's punishments are, loses credibility when there is no consistent standard. That is why everyone is always up in arms about this because there is no consistent standard applied and this is Goodell's greatest failure as a Commisioner. He makes it up as he goes. He has had the opportunity to establish a clear set of cause and effect relationships for players and he has failed because he is heavily influenced by media attention on the offense and not the offense itself. As long as he operates in that fashion then his discipline objective will be chaotic and will cause more resentment when a good consistent message could be sent.

RuthlessBurgher
05-16-2012, 11:13 AM
he has failed because he is heavily influenced by media attention on the offense and not the offense itself.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sEs7HHI0uNo/T3nPQ4iF_KI/AAAAAAAAFz4/XMVp0bYT6rY/s400/exactamundo.png

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 11:22 AM
Part of the reason many believe that Ben is a bad guy is because the NFL suspended him. They wouldn't suspend an innocent guy, right?

That makes no sense at all....

Ben's stupidity and the constant stories on ABC, CNN, FOXNews did the damage...

The suspension was for damage control and it worked...

why is it so hard to understand 2 accusations makes a person appear guilty even if they aren't?

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 11:25 AM
Any form of a judicial system, and that is what Goodell's punishments are, loses credibility when there is no consistent standard. That is why everyone is always up in arms about this because there is no consistent standard applied and this is Goodell's greatest failure as a Commisioner. He makes it up as he goes. He has had the opportunity to establish a clear set of cause and effect relationships for players and he has failed because he is heavily influenced by media attention on the offense and not the offense itself. As long as he operates in that fashion then his discipline objective will be chaotic and will cause more resentment when a good consistent message could be sent.

All true but the NFL is entertainment. That's all it is and Goodell is going to do whatever he thinks will keep the most viewers tuned in.

Sugar
05-16-2012, 11:36 AM
That makes no sense at all....

Ben's stupidity and the constant stories on ABC, CNN, FOXNews did the damage...

The suspension was for damage control and it worked...

why is it so hard to understand 2 accusations makes a person appear guilty even if they aren't?

It's not hard to understand at all. The point is that it was all just talk until Goodell took action. The law found no reason to pursue these things, but when the NFL punishes anyway it gives the impression that there really was an infraction. To the general public, four game suspensions don't indicate "stupidity" but rather guilt.

Crash
05-16-2012, 12:47 PM
Ben's stupidity and the constant stories on ABC, CNN, FOXNews did the damage...And why were the stories constant? Because he's white.

When select black media demand Goodell "treat Ben like Vick and Pac Man" it's not hard to figure out what they mean.

But you are still avoiding the issue. How is Ben eligible for suspension and Brandon Marshall isn't when both were uncharged and both play in the same league?

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 12:52 PM
It's not hard to understand at all. The point is that it was all just talk until Goodell took action. The law found no reason to pursue these things, but when the NFL punishes anyway it gives the impression that there really was an infraction. To the general public, four game suspensions don't indicate "stupidity" but rather guilt.

The day the story broke about GA was the day Ben became the most hated man in the NFL...

laws and guilt have nothing to do with public perception...

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 12:54 PM
And why were the stories constant? Because he's white.

When select black media demand Goodell "treat Ben like Vick and Pac Man" it's not hard to figure out what they mean.

But you are still avoiding the issue. How is Ben eligible for suspension and Brandon Marshall isn't when both were uncharged and both play in the same league?

the issue is "most hated" not "most hated due to suspension by Goodell"

The stories were constant because Ben already had a sexual assault accusation. It had nothing to do with his race... it was his status and his history.

As far as suspensions and black media... you've been on this for 2 years now, it's over, he did his time whether unfair or not. Blame the Rooneys AGAIN if it makes you feel good.

We've gone over this again and again... lol. It's over...

Crash
05-16-2012, 12:56 PM
the issue is "most hated" not "most hated due to suspension by Goodell"

The stories were constant because Ben already had a sexual assault accusation

But you are still avoiding the issue. How is Ben eligible for suspension and Brandon Marshall isn't when both were uncharged and both play in the same league?

Until Goodell explains that? IMO Ben was suspended because he's white and black media and black players demanded he do it.

Crash
05-16-2012, 01:00 PM
All true but the NFL is entertainment. That's all it is and Goodell is going to do whatever he thinks will keep the most viewers tuned in.

Spare me. Goodell suspends an innocent player, and then made sure his schedule makers had said innocent player aka "The Most Hated Man in the NFL" on Prime Time TV 5 times in the seasons final 10 weeks (if he served the full six games).

Sugar
05-16-2012, 01:54 PM
Spare me. Goodell suspends an innocent player, and then made sure his schedule makers had said innocent player aka "The Most Hated Man in the NFL" on Prime Time TV 5 times in the seasons final 10 weeks (if he served the full six games).

Hey, people watch villains as much as heroes- maybe more. Turn a hero into a villain and people will really watch!

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 03:03 PM
Spare me. Goodell suspends an innocent player, and then made sure his schedule makers had said innocent player aka "The Most Hated Man in the NFL" on Prime Time TV 5 times in the seasons final 10 weeks (if he served the full six games).

Duke Blue Devils, NE Patriots, Miami Heat, Notre Dame....

People hate these teams... and this is why they get great ratings.

You really need to master the entertainment aspect of sports...

Sugar
05-16-2012, 03:07 PM
Duke Blue Devils, NE Patriots, Miami Heat, Notre Dame....

People hate these teams... and this is why they get great ratings.

You really need to master the entertainment aspect of sports...

People love those teams too. The Steelers are in the same situation. People who watch football usually like or hate them. Polarizing figures get ratings. Look at Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Nickelback, and on and on and on....

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 03:07 PM
But you are still avoiding the issue. How is Ben eligible for suspension and Brandon Marshall isn't when both were uncharged and both play in the same league?

Until Goodell explains that? IMO Ben was suspended because he's white and black media and black players demanded he do it.

Goodell doesn't have to explain a damn thing until the ratings drop...

your spending way too much time focusing on a suspension that was served 2 years ago.

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 03:09 PM
People love those teams too. The Steelers are in the same situation. People who watch football usually like or hate them. Polarizing figures get ratings. Look at Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Nickelback, and on and on and on....

Of course people love those teams...

I'm one of those ND, Duke haters who tries to watch them as much as possible in hopes of seeing them lose. LOL

Crash
05-16-2012, 05:02 PM
Goodell doesn't have to explain a damn thing until the ratings drop...

your spending way too much time focusing on a suspension that was served 2 years ago.

No, I'm spending time on a suspension that was clearly based on race.

Only the ignorant, want to ignore that fact.

Crash
05-16-2012, 05:05 PM
Duke Blue Devils, NE Patriots, Miami Heat, Notre Dame....

People hate these teams... and this is why they get great ratings.

You really need to master the entertainment aspect of sports...

So why weren't the Steelers on prime time TV ONCE during weeks 1-4?

Because #7 wasn't playing, that's why.

People didn't like the fact that Ben felt "entitled" in his behavior.

But the NFL was just as guilty of putting Ben on a pedestal by showcasing HIM FIVE TIMES in 10 weeks when he was slated to return.

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 05:53 PM
So why weren't the Steelers on prime time TV ONCE during weeks 1-4? Because #7 wasn't playing, that's why. People didn't like the fact that Ben felt "entitled" in his behavior. But the NFL was just as guilty of putting Ben on a pedestal by showcasing HIM FIVE TIMES in 10 weeks when he was slated to return.Of course they didn't put the Steelers in prime time without Ben. Ben is a great player and very entertaining to watchbut that has nothing to do with his off field issues. I know people hate Goodell but he is doing what the owners want... and suspending Ben worked out well for all parties involved. Do you see Ben bar hopping and hanging out in college pubs? No... he grew up and moved on from these things and you should do the same.

Sugar
05-16-2012, 05:58 PM
Of course they didn't put the Steelers in prime time without Ben. Ben is a great player and very entertaining to watchbut that has nothing to do with his off field issues. I know people hate Goodell but he is doing what the owners want... and suspending Ben worked out well for all parties involved. Do you see Ben bar hopping and hanging out in college pubs? No... he grew up and moved on from these things and you should do the same.

Why is that a good thing? Why should any of us do the same?

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 06:01 PM
No, I'm spending time on a suspension that was clearly based on race. Only the ignorant, want to ignore that fact.Even if everyone agreed with and Goodell came to your house with a 6 pack and said it was all based on race you wouldn't let it go. Ben moved on.... its time for you to do the same.

Crash
05-16-2012, 06:05 PM
Of course they didn't put the Steelers in prime time without Ben. Ben is a great player and very entertaining to watchbut that has nothing to do with his off field issues. I know people hate Goodell but he is doing what the owners want... and suspending Ben worked out well for all parties involved. Do you see Ben bar hopping and hanging out in college pubs? No... he grew up and moved on from these things and you should do the same.

Yeah I'm sure Ben is just thrilled that people think he's guilty of rape.

Suspending him made it WORSE.

Sugar
05-16-2012, 06:23 PM
Even if everyone agreed with and Goodell came to your house with a 6 pack and said it was all based on race you wouldn't let it go. Ben moved on.... its time for you to do the same.
A short memory is one of the things that makes Ben a great QB. He doesn't dwell on the play beforehand. That said, I'm thinking that there could be one heck of a book in the waiting when his income and fortunes are no longer tied to the NFL.

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 06:29 PM
Why is that a good thing? Why should any of us do the same?Because we can't change the past... what's the point of crying over a suspension that the Rooneys favored? The suspension was good because Ben was no longer front page news. Once the suspension was handed down we didn't see every news report asking what the punishment would be... the team started focusing on prep for games. All the talk of 0-4... well, the team rallied and went 3-1. We could have fought the suspension, it would have dragged on for another 2 months and I doubt our season would have been that good with constant questions about Bens assault charges.Instead, we took it on the chin, bounced back and went to a SB. Most of you talk like Ben is out of the league selling his body for ecstasy due to this suspension. I think it was the wake up call he needed to realize how big of a target he is due to his past and his star power.

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 06:38 PM
A short memory is one of the things that makes Ben a great QB. He doesn't dwell on the play beforehand. That said, I'm thinking that there could be one heck of a book in the waiting when his income and fortunes are no longer tied to the NFL.No doubt... and its like any employee or political hack. Once you move on you get to tell the real story and I wouldn't be surprised if Ben had some juicy details.

Crash
05-16-2012, 06:49 PM
it would have dragged on for another 2 months and I doubt our season would have been that good with constant questions about Bens assault charges

What charges? Again, inaccurate info was a key to his suspension, and you keep doing the same thing.

feltdizz
05-16-2012, 07:06 PM
Accusations...

my mistake.

Flasteel
05-16-2012, 07:35 PM
Higher profile players means more negative press for the league therefore results in action by Goodell. Ben's high profile. Someone like Perrish Cox is not. Even though Cox was arrested and charged with class three and class four felonies, and Ben was charged with, well, nothing, Ben received a harsh suspension while Cox received no discipline from the league. Not because Ben is white and Cox is black. Because even your neighbor's grandmother knows who Ben Roethlisberger is, while many ardent football fans have never heard of Perrish Cox. All of these stories on national primetime network news programs about Ben "tarnished the shield" (even if he committed no crimes, putting himself in a potentially negative situation was deemed suspension worthy simply because the stories made the league look bad, even if the stories themselves had little if any basis in reality...they were most overblown opinion pieces with very little factual information), but Cox's indecretions were only publicized in a brief paragraph in the margins on page 5 of the sports section of the newspaper.

I think you're absolutely correct about "tarnishing the shield", but it's only one of several factors I believe contributed to Goodell's decision. I am 100% convinced that Ben would not have received the suspension he did, if he were any other race but white. I think he made an easy target for Goodell to set an example with, and at the same time appease those who were making noise about the lack of white players getting suspended. It fits those agendas too cleanly.

That has nothing to do with the fan hate. That was a combination of starry-eyed ho + bad decision-making + media hyperbole. He did some stuff that a person in his position (or any position) shouldn't do and it was blown waaaay out of proportion. Roethlisberger could save a church full of puppies and babies and many of the people who profress to hate him now, would still hate him then.

Crash
05-16-2012, 08:33 PM
Eric Foster

Brandon Underwood (accused by two women the same night)

Perrish Cox

Ben Roethlisberger


Only the white guy sat.

People can deny it all they want, the facts are right in front of them.

Slapstick
05-16-2012, 11:37 PM
Eric Foster

Brandon Underwood (accused by two women the same night)

Perrish Cox

Ben Roethlisberger


Only the white guy sat.

People can deny it all they want, the facts are right in front of them.


"Who the [f-word] are Eric Foster, Brandon Underwood and Perrish Cox?"

This is the problem, not race...

Crash
05-16-2012, 11:47 PM
This is the problem, not race...

How many games did Ray Lewis get again after pleading guilty to a lesser charge after being charged with MURDER?

Goodell was in the league office then too. He could have treated Ben the same way now.

He didn't. Because he gave in to racial pressure and made up his own rules.

Again Brandon Marshall, uncharged, and according to the NFL NOT ELIGIBLE for PCP suspension.

But the white QB from Pittsburgh somehow was.

Slapstick
05-17-2012, 07:53 AM
How many games did Ray Lewis get again after pleading guilty to a lesser charge after being charged with MURDER?

Goodell was in the league office then too. He could have treated Ben the same way now.

He didn't. Because he gave in to racial pressure and made up his own rules.

Again Brandon Marshall, uncharged, and according to the NFL NOT ELIGIBLE for PCP suspension.

But the white QB from Pittsburgh somehow was.

Was Goodell the commissioner then?

Vilma vs. Fujita...that kills your argument right there...

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 08:18 AM
Ray Lewis has nothing to do with Bens suspension and its crazy talk to ask where Goodell was on suspensions before he was commish. Now about Bens skin color... why wasn't he suspended after the first incident if his skin was a sin? You could put photos up of Marshall, Cox, etc and I'm pretty sure the average American couldn't identify who these guys are... How many starting QB's have 2 SA accusations in a years time? If Michael Vick never killed dogs and had 2 SA accusations he would've been dealt with in a similar fashion. QB's who are household names are held to a different standard and that's just the way it is... Where were the cries of reverse racism when JPeezy called out Goodell over his non action with the TE white crackhead in jacksonville? The league has never had a 2 time SB winning QB with 2 SA accusations in a year.... you can't compare that to a LB or WR who is charged with SA because it doesn't have the same impact in the news. Michael Vick wasn't the first football player to get caught fighting dogs but his case was front page news and it wasn't because he was a Falcon or because he was black... it was because he was a household name and one of the premier faces in the league. If Drew Brees kidnaps a baby it would be the leading story for a month.... if Dwyer kidnapped 5 babies it would be mentioned before a commercial break and that would be the end of it. NFL players aren't equal... the marquee players are paid more and get more attention for a reason.

Crash
05-17-2012, 12:21 PM
Was Goodell the commissioner then?

Vilma vs. Fujita...that kills your argument right there...

So you are comparing DELIBERATE attempts to maim players ON THE FIELD, to a player who was not only not charged, but the DA ADMITTED to the whole country that he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest?

You guys are still missing THE ISSUE:

How can Ben be eligible for PCP suspension, and Brandon Marshall not be, when both were not charged, and both play in the same league?

Crash
05-17-2012, 12:33 PM
Now about Bens skin color... why wasn't he suspended after the first incident if his skin was a sin?

According to the NFL when he was accused by McNulty Ben was not eligible for PCP suspension because it was a civil suit.

Don't hold Ben's talent against him. By making up rules and wrongfully suspending him while letting guys like Cox off the hook? Tells me that the NFL condones rape by lesser known players as long as it stays out of the headlines.


If Michael Vick never killed dogs and had 2 SA accusations he would've been dealt with in a similar fashion.

BS. Vick was a CONVICTED FELON, who was treated BETTER by Goodell upon his release from jail than the uncharged Ben was.

Plax was a CONVICTED FELON, who was treated BETTER by Goodell upon his release from jail than the uncharged Ben was.

You can ignore the facts, I won't.


If Drew Brees kidnaps a baby it would be the leading story for a month

He would also be GUILTY, wouldn't he? Ben was NEVER even charged. Silly comparison.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 12:46 PM
So you are comparing DELIBERATE attempts to maim players ON THE FIELD, to a player who was not only not charged, but the DA ADMITTED to the whole country that he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest?

You guys are still missing THE ISSUE:

How can Ben be eligible for PCP suspension, and Brandon Marshall not be, when both were not charged, and both play in the same league?

Same league...

different positions, different pay scale, different notoriety, different situations, different news coverage, different fan reaction, different penalties...

Goodell doesn't treat every player, franchise or situation the same and the owners are fine with it...

Also blame the Rooneys because they were fine with letting Goodell bring the hammer down on Ben to send a message.

Crash
05-17-2012, 12:52 PM
Same league...

different positions, different pay scale, different notoriety, different situations, different news coverage, different fan reaction, different penalties...

Forgot one, different skin tone.


Also blame the Rooneys because they were fine with letting Goodell bring the hammer down on Ben to send a message.

Wrong again. The Rooney's wanted to suspend Ben on their terms. Goodell wouldn't let them.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 12:55 PM
According to the NFL when he was accused by McNulty Ben was not eligible for PCP suspension because it was a civil suit.

Don't hold Ben's talent against him. By making up rules and wrongfully suspending him while letting guys like Cox off the hook? Tells me that the NFL condones rape by lesser known players as long as it stays out of the headlines.



BS. Vick was a CONVICTED FELON, who was treated BETTER by Goodell upon his release from jail than the uncharged Ben was.

Plax was a CONVICTED FELON, who was treated BETTER by Goodell upon his release from jail than the uncharged Ben was.

You can ignore the facts, I won't.



He would also be GUILTY, wouldn't he? Ben was NEVER even charged. Silly comparison.

If all NFL players were paid the same I could see your point when it comes to Ben's talents being used against him but since he is paid head and shoulders above 85% of the league he and others in his pay scale with household names will always be held to a higher standard.

I don't think the NFL condones rape but they are smart enough to know a rape accusation against Ben or Brees does more damage to the brand then an actual rape or assault by a lesser known player.

Those other players missed a year or 2 of football... whether you want to admit it or not the NFL takes that into consideration. Again, you are ignoring the Rooney's stance on this issue... they played a key part in Ben's suspension. Other teams may have fought the suspension but we didn't and I'm sure we all know why even if you don't want to admit it.

I wasn't comparing Brees to Ben so I have no idea why you are doing it... well, actually I do know why but anyways...

I was comparing Brees to a lesser known player and my theory is Brees would get harsher punishment and harsher public scrutiny then Dwyer or any 2nd or 3rd tier player in the NFL even if their offense was worse...

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 12:57 PM
Forgot one, different skin tone.



Wrong again. The Rooney's wanted to suspend Ben on their terms. Goodell wouldn't let them.

They still wanted to suspend him and they didn't fight Goodells suspension...

and yes, different skin tone. White man kept the white man down... how cruel of Goodell.

Crash
05-17-2012, 01:00 PM
They still wanted to suspend him and they didn't fight Goodells suspension...

and yes, different skin tone. White man kept the white man down... how cruel of Goodell.

White man gave into racial pressure. Admit that. Because it's true.

I don't give a flying f**k how much time Vick or Plax spent in jail. That's their debt to society as criminals, not the NFL.

The minute black media and players made Ben's ACCUSATION about race? Ben's goose was cooked.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 01:10 PM
obviously the commish did give a flying f*** and this is how he chose to deal out the punishment. OK, white man gave into racial pressure... now what? What do you win?

you keep asking for answers but the answers you get aren't the ones you want to hear. All you care about is making Ben a victim and shielding him from any responsibility...

I'm just glad you aren't his adviser or he would have 2 or 3 more accusations because Ben can do no wrong and everyone is out to get him. Funny how all the other white QB's avoided 2 accusations... I wonder how they do it?

RuthlessBurgher
05-17-2012, 01:16 PM
What do you win?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ySkyl0NTd_E/StK9RgSCkoI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/CKAUtjXloGw/s400/cookie-bite-web.jpg

Crash
05-17-2012, 01:59 PM
you keep asking for answers but the answers you get aren't the ones you want to hear. All you care about is making Ben a victim and shielding him from any responsibility...

Um, no, Ben was stupid. Shouldn't have put himself in that position after McNulty.

But, in America, it's innocent until proven guilty. That's the way this country works.Accusations mean nothing to me. Especially when one of the GA "accusers" mentioned Reno to Ben THAT NIGHT.

All Roger Goodell did, by suspending uncharged Ben Roethlisberger, was make a bad situation much worse.

Ben was a victim, and to an extent he still is because media, two years later, still can't report the basics with any sort of accuracy.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 02:22 PM
It doesn't matter if Ben was charged, guilty or completely innocent. Once he was accused the second time America made their decision and most think Ben is a shady guy when it comes to females.

The only way to change peoples minds is to change your behavior and environment...

The GA accusers mentioned Reno because it's part of Ben's past and this is exactly why people wanted him to lay low. When you have a Reno...the last thing you need is another incident a year later....

Crash
05-17-2012, 02:26 PM
The GA accusers mentioned Reno because it's part of Ben's past and this is exactly why people wanted him to lay low.

No, the person who mentioned Reno was PO'd that Ben wanted nothing to do with her.

Sugar
05-17-2012, 02:31 PM
No, the person who mentioned Reno was PO'd that Ben wanted nothing to do with her. [/COLOR]

Hell hath no fury like a woman DTF ;)

Crash
05-17-2012, 02:36 PM
It wasn't DTF. It was someone else in her group.

Slapstick
05-17-2012, 02:58 PM
So you are comparing DELIBERATE attempts to maim players ON THE FIELD, to a player who was not only not charged, but the DA ADMITTED to the whole country that he didn't even have probable cause for an arrest?

You guys are still missing THE ISSUE:

How can Ben be eligible for PCP suspension, and Brandon Marshall not be, when both were not charged, and both play in the same league?

Because Ben Roethlisberger has a much higher public profile. That is all.

No matter what I am comparing, I have produced an instance where the NFL has punished a black player more severely than a white player.

That should end the discussion, but it won't...

Crash
05-17-2012, 03:02 PM
Because Ben Roethlisberger has a much higher public profile. That is all.

That makes no sense. NONE. So if a kicker gets accused and not charged does that mean he's not eligible either? Only white franchise QBs are?

The fact that you guys can't see this BS for what it is is laughable.

You can't compare bounties to criminal charges or lack of Slap. That's a joke.

If Goodell tried to suspend the accused but uncharged Brandon Underwood? Black players and black media would have a field day with him.

Answer me this: If Troy Polamalu was ever accused and not charged, he should be suspended also, correct?

He's as high profile as ANY PLAYER in football.

Slapstick
05-17-2012, 03:07 PM
That makes no sense. NONE. So if a kicker gets accused and not charged does that mean he's not eligible either? Only white franchise QBs are?

The fact that you guys can't see this BS for what it is is laughable. [/COLOR]

You are correct. It makes absolutely no sense. I don't think that it is right at all for Ben to have served a 4 game suspension for a violation of the personal conduct policy in an instance where there was no arrest made nor charges filed.

I merely think that race was not the issue. Goodell is capricious and will defend the "shield" by inflicting a punishment that is directly proportional to the amount of bad press generated. Regardless of color.

Again, Vilma vs. Fujita...

Crash
05-17-2012, 03:19 PM
I merely think that race was not the issue. Goodell is capricious and will defend the "shield" by inflicting a punishment that is directly proportional to the amount of bad press generated. Regardless of color

Vick missed 2 regular season games after his release from FEDERAL PRISON after he LIED to Goodell's face before he was ever charged.

Wrong again.

Slapstick
05-17-2012, 03:27 PM
Vick missed 2 regular season games after his release from FEDERAL PRISON after he LIED to Goodell's face before he was ever charged.

Wrong again.


[/COLOR]

I wasn't wrong the first time.

Ben's suspension would have been less than four games (if any) had he been arrested, charged and imprisoned...

He wasn't, so the media backlash compelled Goodell to suspend him.

Again, race was not the issue.

Vilma's punishment vs. Fujita's punishment...you can't explain that, so you ignore it...

Crash
05-17-2012, 03:35 PM
Vilma's punishment vs. Fujita's punishment...you can't explain that, so you ignore it...

They are BOTH guilty. To even try to compare that to the Ben situation is laughable.

Spare me the lack of charges in Ben's case, people were calling for his suspension DAYS after he was accused and when the investigation was underway.

"Treat Ben like Vick and Pac-Man" was the battle cry.

Even you know what that meant Slap.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 04:30 PM
That makes no sense. NONE. So if a kicker gets accused and not charged does that mean he's not eligible either? Only white franchise QBs are?

The fact that you guys can't see this BS for what it is is laughable.

You can't compare bounties to criminal charges or lack of Slap. That's a joke.

If Goodell tried to suspend the accused but uncharged Brandon Underwood? Black players and black media would have a field day with him.

Answer me this: If Troy Polamalu was ever accused and not charged, he should be suspended also, correct?

He's as high profile as ANY PLAYER in football.

..and yet, you tried to compare Ray Lewis' lackof punishment when Goodell wasn't the commish but was in the "office" to Ben's situation? LOL...

If Troy was accused of sexual assault twice you better believe he would be suspended...

The funny thing is since you can't find an athlete who had 2 SA accusations with a profile as high as Ben's you keep pulling random names out of a hat.

Crash
05-17-2012, 04:40 PM
..and yet, you tried to compare Ray Lewis' lackof punishment when Goodell wasn't the commish but was in the "office" to Ben's situation? LOL...

If Troy was accused of sexual assault twice you better believe he would be suspended...

The funny thing is since you can't find an athlete who had 2 SA accusations with a profile as high as Ben's you keep pulling random names out of a hat.

High profile means nothing to me. The fact that you guys try to use that as a logical reason for Ben's suspension is a joke. Does a family care how high profile an athlete is when their child may have been raped? Hell no, and neither should the NFL.

Bottom line here is you guys still refuse to see the two sets of rules for white players compared to black players. The Brandon Marshall situation proves it. If he's not eligible for a PCP suspension because he wasn't charged? Then neither should the rest of the league's players.

Crash
05-17-2012, 04:45 PM
Goodell claims Ben violated the policy. Where?

NFL personal conduct policy


General policy


Engaging in violent and/or criminal activity is unacceptable and constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League. Such conduct alienates the fans on whom the success of the League depends and has negative and sometimes tragic consequences for both the victim and the perpetrator.


The League is committed to promoting and encouraging lawful conduct and to providing a safe and professional workplace for its employees.


Persons covered by policy


The following persons ("Covered Persons") shall be considered subject to this Policy: (i) all players under contract; (ii) all full-time employees of the National Football League, its Member Clubs and related entities; (iii) all rookie players once they are selected in the NFL college draft; and (iv) all undrafted rookie players, unsigned veterans and other prospective employees once they commence negotiations with a Club concerning employment.


Prohibited conduct


It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct. Additionally, Covered Persons shall not by their words or conduct suggest that criminal activity is acceptable or condoned within the NFL.


Persons charged with criminal activity


Any Covered Person arrested for or charged with conduct prohibited by this policy will be required to undergo a consultation and additional counseling as directed. Failure to comply with the consultation and counseling (including being arrested for or charged with additional criminal activity during the evaluation and counseling period) shall itself be conduct detrimental to the National Football League and shall be punishable by fine or suspension at the discretion of the Commissioner.


Disposition of the criminal proceeding


Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a criminal violation (including a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the acceptance of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement) will be subject to discipline as determined by the Commissioner. Such discipline may include a fine, suspension without pay and/or banishment from the League. Any Covered Person convicted of or admitting to a second criminal violation will be suspended without pay or banished for a period of time to be determined by the Commissioner.


Persons engaged in violent activity in the workplace


Every employee is entitled to a safe and professional workplace free of criminal behavior, violence and threats against personal safety. Criminal conduct in the workplace or against other employees is prohibited. Any Covered Person who commits or threatens violent acts against co-workers, regardless of whether an arrest is made or criminal charges are brought, shall be subject to evaluation, counseling and discipline, including termination of employment.


Duty to report prohibited conduct


To ensure the effective administration of the policy, the League must be advised when a Covered Person engages in Prohibited Conduct. The obligation to report an arrest or criminal charge extends to both the person involved and to the Club or League entity for which he or she works.


When a person subject to this policy is arrested or charged with Prohibited Conduct, that information must be reported to the Club and NFL Security. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in the final determination of discipline under this policy.


Appeal rights


Any person disciplined under this policy shall have a right of appeal, including a hearing, before the Commissioner or his designee. Except for the enforcement of a suspension, no other requirements set forth in the policy will be stayed pending the completion of the appeal.
_______________________

Good luck.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 05:39 PM
High profile means nothing to me. The fact that you guys try to use that as a logical reason for Ben's suspension is a joke. Does a family care how high profile an athlete is when their child may have been raped? Hell no, and neither should the NFL. Bottom line here is you guys still refuse to see the two sets of rules for white players compared to black players. The Brandon Marshall situation proves it. If he's not eligible for a PCP suspension because he wasn't charged? Then neither should the rest of the league's players.Just because high profile means nothing to you doesn't mean it means nothing to Goodell and the rest of the league. The NFL cares about color but its not black or white... its green and anytime a player makes the commish feel like he is going to lose a ton of money he will react swiftly. Can you provide a few examples of white players being mistreated or suspended due to race? Its hard to take you seriously on the race argument when all you have is this incident.

Crash
05-17-2012, 06:01 PM
Just because high profile means nothing to you doesn't mean it means nothing to Goodell and the rest of the league. The NFL cares about color but its not black or white... its green and anytime a player makes the commish feel like he is going to lose a ton of money he will react swiftly.

So Goodell was worried about losing money, so his answer to that was to schedule BEN'S TEAM, on prime time TV five times in the seasons final 10 weeks after his return if he served the full six games?

That's laughable. If he was so concerned about losing money because of Ben every game Ben was scheduled to return for should have been played at 1 PM [like the first four games were when he knew Ben wouldn't be there, I'm sure that's just an amazing coincidence huh?] or 4:15 PM, but instead he took advantage of the suspension by exploiting Ben's return for the sake of spiked ratings in prime time because of the Steelers fan base.

Ben was the first player suspended without so much as even being arrested that had nothing to do with substance abuse.

It's racial because of the black players who were accused of similar crimes after Ben, who were allowed to skate free. It's racial because somehow Marshall wasn't eligible for PCP suspension but the whitey from Pittsburgh was.

Crash
05-17-2012, 06:34 PM
I hope Vilma wins MILLIONS off this puke!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7942639/new-orleans-saints-jonathan-vilma-sues-commissioner-roger-goodell-defamation

RuthlessBurgher
05-17-2012, 06:44 PM
I hope Vilma wins MILLIONS off this puke!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7942639/new-orleans-saints-jonathan-vilma-sues-commissioner-roger-goodell-defamation

Vilma should just put a $10,000 bounty on Goodell's head. :p

Crash
05-17-2012, 06:51 PM
Now he forces their hand. Now they have to show their evidence.

Antonio Bryant sued the league, and they buckled. If Vilma gets to resume his career earlier than 2013 because Goodell weaseled out and avoided the trial? He should be forced to resign.

Flasteel
05-17-2012, 07:13 PM
I hope Vilma wins MILLIONS off this puke!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7942639/new-orleans-saints-jonathan-vilma-sues-commissioner-roger-goodell-defamation

Very nice.:D

I already was doubting the existence of any evidence that there was a "pay for injury" bounty program going on with the Saints. This makes me think that at the very least, Vilma has not been presented with any evidence and he is not aware of anything that would support such a contention. In all likelihood, he knows he is not guilty of what Goodell is saying he is.

After all, this seems to be the reaction one might expect of an innocent man...does it not?

At the risk of sounding like an alarmist, I believe Goodell's actions have directly threatened the long-term survival of the league. Instead of focusing on ways to address the injuries that are inevitably going to happen in a sport like football, he is going after the actual head trauma and vilifying the game. There is no way to make football safe and eliminate any significant percentage of the concussions, without radically changing the game of football. The game is being ruined for the fans and stained in the eyes of parents who are considering allowing their kids to play.

If Goodell can't produce the evidence to defeat this suit, then we will know for sure that he has no proof of any "Bountygate".

If that is the case, he should be removed as commisioner immediately.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 07:36 PM
So Goodell was worried about losing money, so his answer to that was to schedule BEN'S TEAM, on prime time TV five times in the seasons final 10 weeks after his return if he served the full six games?

That's laughable. If he was so concerned about losing money because of Ben every game Ben was scheduled to return for should have been played at 1 PM [like the first four games were when he knew Ben wouldn't be there, I'm sure that's just an amazing coincidence huh?] or 4:15 PM, but instead he took advantage of the suspension by exploiting Ben's return for the sake of spiked ratings in prime time because of the Steelers fan base.

Ben was the first player suspended without so much as even being arrested that had nothing to do with substance abuse.

It's racial because of the black players who were accused of similar crimes after Ben, who were allowed to skate free. It's racial because somehow Marshall wasn't eligible for PCP suspension but the whitey from Pittsburgh was.
Money is the bottom line... Ben does 4 games, the cries for justice grow tired and move on and then its back to business as usual. Why is it so hard to understand the NFL is a business that provides entertainment.

I noticed you can't provide any other white players who were mistreated.. I wonder why?

Crash
05-17-2012, 07:42 PM
I noticed you can't provide any other white players who were mistreated.. I wonder why?

Because you were told Ben was the first.

I noticed you didn't comment on the PCP that I posted.

Where is Ben's "violation"? There is NOTHING in that policy that covers accusations.

Vilma is suing Goodell? Ben should do it next.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Now he forces their hand. Now they have to show their evidence.

Antonio Bryant sued the league, and they buckled. If Vilma gets to resume his career earlier than 2013 because Goodell weaseled out and avoided the trial? He should be forced to resign.

I thought Goodell was all about keeping the white man down? I think this proves Goodell uses excessive force for black and white players when he feels they tarnish the shield.

Goodell won't resign until he makes a move that damages the popularity of the sport. Fans complain but they still watch and until the turn off the TV Goodells future is safe.

Crash
05-17-2012, 07:45 PM
I thought Goodell was all about keeping the white man down? I think this proves Goodell uses excessive force for black and white players when he feels they tarnish the shield

According to Goodell's own PCP, Ben didn't tarnish anything because he wasn't charged with a crime.

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 07:51 PM
Because you were told Ben was the first.

I noticed you didn't comment on the PCP that I posted.

Where is Ben's "violation"? There is NOTHING in that policy that covers accusations.

Vilma is suing Goodell? Ben should do it next.


[/COLOR]

Ben could have fought his suspension but he didn't and I think you know why...

If Ben was the first how can you claim its racial if you don't have any other examples of white players being mistreated?

feltdizz
05-17-2012, 07:53 PM
According to Goodell's own PCP, Ben didn't tarnish anything because he wasn't charged with a crime.

According to goodell's suspension... he did.

Crash
05-17-2012, 08:01 PM
Ben could have fought his suspension but he didn't and I think you know why

No I don't, why don't you tell me?


If Ben was the first how can you claim its racial if you don't have any other examples of white players being mistreated?

Brandon Underwood.

Eric Foster.

Perrish Cox.

Three black players. ZERO GAMES COMBINED. All accused of similar acts.



Btw, Bryant owed the league 2 games via suspension for the drug policy after serving two of the four.

The NFL threatened to ban him for a year, because he refused additional testing because he was a free agent.

He sued the league. Not only did the league cave, they WIPED CLEAN, his remaining two games that he owed them loooooooooong before he ever sued them.

Iron clad substance abuse policy rules that were in effect for decades, and Goodell let another player off the hook.

Crash
05-17-2012, 08:04 PM
According to goodell's suspension... he did.

Because Hitler makes up his own rules. Not suspending Brandon Marshall proves it when the league gave their reasons as to WHY Marshall wasn't suspended.

In short, the NFL doesn't know when to keep their mouths shut. But by not doing so, proves just how corrupt Roger Goodell really is.

Slapstick
05-17-2012, 08:21 PM
They are BOTH guilty. To even try to compare that to the Ben situation is laughable.


1) Are they both guilty?

2) IF they are, why did the black player receive a more severe punishment than the white player? It doesn't fit your rabid-reverse-racism accusations of Goodell...

Slapstick
05-17-2012, 08:25 PM
High profile means nothing to me. The fact that you guys try to use that as a logical reason for Ben's suspension is a joke.

Skin color means nothing to me. The fact that you try to use that as a logical reason for Ben's suspension is a joke.

See how silly your argument is?

The real problem is that you are striving to find a logical reason where there is none to be found. It has been demonstrated time and again that Goodell's punishments follow no logical pattern...

Crash
05-17-2012, 08:36 PM
Skin color means nothing to me. The fact that you try to use that as a logical reason for Ben's suspension is a joke.

Brandon Underwood.

Eric Foster.

Perrish Cox.

Three black players. ZERO GAMES COMBINED. All accused of similar acts.

And as I told felt, Greg Aiello's big mouth in regards to Brandon Marshall, proves Ben's suspension was about race.

Crash
05-17-2012, 08:38 PM
2) IF they are, why did the black player receive a more severe punishment than the white player? It doesn't fit your rabid-reverse-racism accusations of Goodell...

Because according to Goodell Vilma was the one FUNDING the bounties.

Slapstick
05-17-2012, 09:23 PM
Fujita also funded the bounty program. Two players. Similar acts. White player gets 4 games, black player gets one year.

It isn't race.

RuthlessBurgher
05-17-2012, 09:35 PM
Fujita also funded the bounty program. Two players. Similar acts. White player gets 4 games, black player gets one year.

It isn't race.

Isn't Fujita half white & half Japanese, like Ward is half black & half Korean?

Crash
05-17-2012, 10:08 PM
Fujita also funded the bounty program. Two players. Similar acts. White player gets 4 games, black player gets one year.

It isn't race.

Then explain how Marshall wasn't eligible for PCP suspension and yet Ben was? What's the criteria?

And let's not forget, Marshall (a three time Pro Bowler and one of the best WRs in football I might add) has been arrested THREE TIMES as an NFL player (and somehow Goodell has only suspended him for ONE GAME), and Roethlisberger has been arrested ZERO and sat for four.

It's not that he didn't suspend Marshall, what's pathetic is that the NFL claims he wasn't even QUALIFIED to face suspension. But somehow Ben was despite Marshall's three prior arrests to zero for Ben.

You guys are making this too easy for me.

Goodell mentioned a "pattern of behavior" for Ben.

Well WTF does Marshall have?

And guess what? Sources are already stating that Marshall WILL NOT be suspended for his latest accusation which occurred in a club several months ago.

Discipline of Steel
05-17-2012, 11:07 PM
Very nice.:D

I already was doubting the existence of any evidence that there was a "pay for injury" bounty program going on with the Saints. This makes me think that at the very least, Vilma has not been presented with any evidence and he is not aware of anything that would support such a contention. In all likelihood, he knows he is not guilty of what Goodell is saying he is.

After all, this seems to be the reaction one might expect of an innocent man...does it not?

At the risk of sounding like an alarmist, I believe Goodell's actions have directly threatened the long-term survival of the league. Instead of focusing on ways to address the injuries that are inevitably going to happen in a sport like football, he is going after the actual head trauma and vilifying the game. There is no way to make football safe and eliminate any significant percentage of the concussions, without radically changing the game of football. The game is being ruined for the fans and stained in the eyes of parents who are considering allowing their kids to play.

If Goodell can't produce the evidence to defeat this suit, then we will know for sure that he has no proof of any "Bountygate".

If that is the case, he should be removed as commisioner immediately.

You are right. He is a total ass for vilifying the game, particularly its best defenders. I am crossing my fingers and toes he gets bounced.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 06:34 AM
Then explain how Marshall wasn't eligible for PCP suspension and yet Ben was? What's the criteria?


Well WTF does Marshall have?


Marshall has a much lower media profile. That is the criteria.

Compared to Ben Roethlisberger, very few people even know who Brandon Marshall is...

grotonsteel
05-18-2012, 08:06 AM
I am hoping Ben sues Goodell. Or atleast hope that Ben writes a tell-all book about phony NFL commish.

Go Team Vilma...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 08:37 AM
We would need an actual lawyer, like Phillyesq, to confirm, but I have a difficult time believing that Vilma's lawsuit won't be thrown out...

DBR96A
05-18-2012, 08:59 AM
Is it really that hard for fans to admit Ben made a few bad choices with his other head?

Absolutely he did. If there's any difficulty here, it's the ability of those who don't like him to understand that it's perfectly possible for a person to do something stupid without necessarily committing a crime.

DBR96A
05-18-2012, 09:02 AM
Isn't Fujita half white & half Japanese, like Ward is half black & half Korean?

I think Scott Fujita is white, but adopted by Japanese parents. (His "grandfather" might have created the tornado intensity scale that bears his name.) :D

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 09:06 AM
I think Scott Fujita is white, but adopted by Japanese parents. (His "grandfather" might have created the tornado intensity scale that bears his name.) :D

This is more or less correct...

Fujita's adoptive father is a Japanese American...his adoptive mother is caucasian...

Fujita himself is caucasian, but was raised in a traditional Japanese household...

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 09:39 AM
Absolutely he did. If there's any difficulty here, it's the ability of those who don't like him to understand that it's perfectly possible for a person to do something stupid without necessarily committing a crime.


true... but Ben didn't go to jail. He was suspended by his employer and dragged through the mud in the media. It happens...

Crash
05-18-2012, 10:34 AM
Marshall has a much lower media profile. That is the criteria

Can you show me where that's stated in the policy? Thanks.

Crash
05-18-2012, 10:38 AM
true... but Ben didn't go to jail. He was suspended by his employer and dragged through the mud in the media. It happens...

And if Goodell suspends a black player without so much as an arrest? Black players and black media would roast him for it.

Ben wasn't suspended by his employer. His employers were forbidden by Adolph Goodell to hand down their own punishment.

Ben would have been better off going to trial and winning. What Goodell did due to racial pressure was far worse.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 10:40 AM
Can you show me where that's stated in the policy? Thanks.

Can you show me where race is referenced in the policy? Thanks.

The policy has nothing to do with anything. Goodell has not followed his own policy. This is not in question.

The question is, why doesn't he follow his own policy? Why are the punishments arbitrary and inconsistent?

You cry race, I say bad press....

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 11:10 AM
And if Goodell suspends a black player without so much as an arrest? Black players and black media would roast him for it.

Ben wasn't suspended by his employer. His employers were forbidden by Adolph Goodell to hand down their own punishment.

Ben would have been better off going to trial and winning. What Goodell did due to racial pressure was far worse.

Get off the race card Rev. Crash.... aka Rev Al Sharpton reversed.

Goodell works for the owners and the Rooneys put Goodell where he is today with a glowing endorsement.

Whether you like it or not Goodell is doing what the owners want. He is a figurehead... and if the owners didn't like what he was doing they would can him.

Ben didn't go to trial and you know why... because he knows damn well the Rooneys wanted him to be punished and it was the best option to get the media to move on.

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 11:12 AM
Can you show me where race is referenced in the policy? Thanks.

The policy has nothing to do with anything. Goodell has not followed his own policy. This is not in question.

The question is, why doesn't he follow his own policy? Why are the punishments arbitrary and inconsistent?

You cry race, I say bad press....

Bingo... no one is saying it's fair or it's written in a policy...

not sure why Crash can't understand Goodell is motivated by bad press and ratings. Then again, Crash is the only one shocked that Goodell would put the Steelers in prime time late in the season.

Crash
05-18-2012, 11:28 AM
Ben didn't go to trial and you know why... because he knows damn well the Rooneys wanted him to be punished and it was the best option to get the media to move on.

So the media and the Rooney's have influence on physical evidence [or lack of] and DA Bright's decison-making?

Slap is partially right, it was bad press. And Ben received the bad press, because he's a WHITE franchise QB with 2 rings and black players and black media wanted him "treated like Vick and Pac-Man"

Where was the same black media when Perrish Cox was charged with felony rape of a HELPLESS victim?

And spare me the typical excuses.

You wait, you watch, if Goodell ever suspends a black player who's in the same situation as Ben was and is not charged with a crime? Now all of the sudden the same media will demand Goodell defer to the legal process.


not sure why Crash can't understand Goodell is motivated by bad press and ratings. Then again, Crash is the only one shocked that Goodell would put the Steelers in prime time late in the season

If Goodell is motivated by bad press and ratings as you claim, why on Earth would he put according to you, "The Most Hated Man in the NFL" on prime time TV five times in the last 10 weeks of the season?

Wouldn't he want to avoid that situation? Show-casing the alleged Most Hated Man in the NFL on the league's brightest stage?

I think even YOU would have to admit, that Goodell exposed the Roethlisberger suspension for bigger ratings once he returned.

What's sad is you guys don't see Goodell for the joke that he is.

RuthlessBurgher
05-18-2012, 12:14 PM
What's sad is you guys don't see Goodell for the joke that he is.

We all see Goodell as a joke because he is horrendously inconsistent with his policies, which is a horrible attribute to have in a leader. The only difference is that most of us feel that Goodell was unfair toward Ben because Ben's stature as a Super Bowl winning QB "tarnished the shield" more than others due to all of the bad press his situation was bringing toward the NFL. You see black and white...we see green, which is and will always be Goodell's primary motivation.

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 12:15 PM
I think even YOU would have to admit, that Goodell exposed the Roethlisberger suspension for bigger ratings once he returned.



Finally! now you are getting how this ratings thing works with the NFL.

Once Ben paid his "debt" Goodell would be a fool not to milk Ben's return for ratings.

Goodell doesn't care about fair or balanced... he cares about protecting the bottom line and getting high ratings. Once you accept what the NFL is really about you will sleep better at night.

...poor poor white Ben... now we know what Mendenhall was talking about when he said they were high paid slaves.

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 12:16 PM
We all see Goodell as a joke because he is horrendously inconsistent with his policies, which is a horrible attribute to have in a leader. The only difference is that most of us feel that Goodell was unfair toward Ben because Ben's stature as a Super Bowl winning QB "tarnished the shield" more than others due to all of the bad press his situation was bringing toward the NFL. You see black and white...we see green, which is and will always be Goodell's primary motivation.

exactly... and until we see SB winning QB's with 2 SA accusations we will never know if Goodell is out to get the white QB..

maybe it's because Ben is from Ohio?

Crash
05-18-2012, 12:17 PM
Yep, poor Ben indeed. Because the media will never let this go. Goodell suspending him gives even the most ignorant reader the impression that he raped two women.

Crash
05-18-2012, 12:19 PM
exactly... and until we see SB winning QB's with 2 SA accusations we will never know if Goodell is out to get the white QB..

maybe it's because Ben is from Ohio?

What's worse:

Two accusations, and NO CHARGES

or

ONE FELONY RAPE CHARGE, and proven by his own words and evidence that Perrish Cox lied to police?

RuthlessBurgher
05-18-2012, 12:30 PM
will never let this go.

Someone will never let this go. ;)

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 12:30 PM
What's worse:

Two accusations, and NO CHARGES

or

ONE FELONY RAPE CHARGE, and proven by his own words and evidence that Perrish Cox lied to police?

What's worse:

Front Page, on top of the fold

or

Bottom left hand corner of section C, page 5?

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 12:32 PM
What's worse:

Two accusations, and NO CHARGES

or

ONE FELONY RAPE CHARGE, and proven by his own words and evidence that Perrish Cox lied to police?

Go outside and ask 5 women who Perrish Cox is....

Crash
05-18-2012, 12:34 PM
What's worse:

Front Page, on top of the fold

or

Bottom left hand corner of section C, page 5?

In the real world it should be equal. I guess Roger Goodell condones rape by lesser known black players.

Like I told felt, you wait when a black player is in the same spot Ben was in. Watch the same black media who lynched Ben cry for due process.

Crash
05-18-2012, 12:35 PM
Go outside and ask 5 women who Perrish Cox is....

I'm sure Cox's victim and her family sleeps better at night knowing fans don't know who he is.

RuthlessBurgher
05-18-2012, 12:42 PM
I'm sure Cox's victim and her family sleeps better at night knowing fans don't know who he is.

No one is arguing that Goodell was right in suspending Ben or not suspending Cox.

We're just saying that he's a greedy scumbag instead of a racist scumbag.

But a scumbag nonetheless...

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 12:47 PM
In the real world it should be equal. I guess Roger Goodell condones rape by lesser known black players.

So it would seem...but the emphasis is on the "lesser known" portion as opposed to the "black" portion of that description...

Crash
05-18-2012, 12:49 PM
So it would seem...but the emphasis is on the "lesser known" portion as opposed to the "black" portion of that description...

Brandon Marshall isn't lesser known Slap. 3 time pro bowler in 6 seasons and one of the best wides in football.

3 arrests, two known other incidents.

He got ONE game.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 12:53 PM
Brandon Marshall isn't lesser known Slap.


He absolutely is. You are kidding yourself.

Crash
05-18-2012, 12:55 PM
He absolutely is. You are kidding yourself.

Please. His legal mis-haps are all over the web. Because they are constant.

1 freaking game.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 12:56 PM
Please. His legal mis-haps are all over the web. Because they are constant.

1 freaking game.

Brandon who?

Crash
05-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Brandon who?

Black Brandon Marshall who somehow wasn't eligible for PCP suspension despite three arrests.

But the whitey from Pittsburgh who's never spent a minute in jail, was.

RuthlessBurgher
05-18-2012, 01:00 PM
Brandon Marshall isn't lesser known Slap. 3 time pro bowler in 6 seasons and one of the best wides in football.

3 arrests, two known other incidents.

He got ONE game.

You could walk around Denver, Miami, and Chicago and ask random women about Brandon Marshall and Ben Roethlisberger. I'd guess more than twice as many know Roethlisberger, even though Marshall played in those towns and Ben has not.

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 01:23 PM
Black Brandon! Oh, why didn't you say so... yep, his info is all over the web... I'm just glad Ben was on the 6 o clock news when his story broke because no one watches TV anymore. LOL

I have high hopes for White DeCastro and Black Rainey.

Crash
05-18-2012, 01:32 PM
Black Brandon! Oh, why didn't you say so... yep, his info is all over the web... I'm just glad Ben was on the 6 o clock news when his story broke because no one watches TV anymore. LOL

I have high hopes for White DeCastro and Black Rainey.

TV local news is irrelevant now. The web and constant sports coverage via satellite TV and 24 hour sports channels makes today's athlete's life much more exposed. The days of 3 minute sports coverage on 6 PM news are long gone.

hawaiiansteel
05-18-2012, 01:57 PM
Brandon who?

White Brandon or Black Brandon? ;)

http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/361/361293_300.jpg

RuthlessBurgher
05-18-2012, 03:36 PM
Black Brandon! Oh, why didn't you say so... yep, his info is all over the web... I'm just glad Ben was on the 6 o clock news when his story broke because no one watches TV anymore. LOL

I have high hopes for White DeCastro and Black Rainey.

We should start calling David DeCastro African-American. After all, his father and grandfather played rugby in South Africa, but he was born in Bellevue, Washington making him a first generation African-American. ;)

If Goodell considers DeCastro African-American, then he is free to sexually harass as many women as he wants, and Goodell can't do anything about it...he'd never suspend an African-American based upon accusations without charges! :p

Steel Life
05-18-2012, 03:51 PM
Maybe what we need to do is get Ben to become Tebow's best friend...that would either fix Ben's rep or bring Tebow's down to a tolerable level...:stirpot

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 04:27 PM
TV local news is irrelevant now. The web and constant sports coverage via satellite TV and 24 hour sports channels makes today's athlete's life much more exposed. The days of 3 minute sports coverage on 6 PM news are long gone.

Who said anything about local? You wish it was local but it was on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, FOXNEWS, MSNBC and any other news channel when the second story broke.

It was on the internets too...
.

Crash
05-18-2012, 04:30 PM
Who said anything about local? You wish it was local but it was on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, FOXNEWS, MSNBC and any other news channel when the second story broke.

It was on the internets too...
.E

Exactly. If he wasn't a white franchise QB? The media (especially the black media who demanded his uncharged head on a stick) wouldn't care.

Ben was made an example of because Pac Man and Vick are scum.

Crash
05-18-2012, 04:57 PM
“I sense folks want to see him suspended not because of what he did or is accused of doing, but because of how Goodell handled Pacman Jones, Michael Vick, Chris Henry, etc.,” my friend Michael Smith of ESPN tweeted.Fear of being accused of playing favorites or worse yet being racist is a weak excuse to discipline someone. But that is what Goodell is dealing with. I’ve talked to a couple of NFL players and team personnel about this and they say they are watching Goodell closely on this. http://blog.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2010/04/a-big-ben-suspension-may-hurt-fans-most-of-all/That's just the first one I dug up. More below: Why hasn't he acted against Big Ben when he moved so quickly on Vick and Pacman?http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=hill/100326From Michael Vick to Pacman Jones to Plaxico Burress and others, Goodell has wasted no time throwing down the gantlet and issuing verbal and financial penalties.On Tuesday, the league issued a statement regarding Roethlisberger: “Commissioner Goodell met today with Ben Roethlisberger and his representatives to discuss the recent incident involving his personal conduct. In accordance with the league’s personal-conduct policy, our office will review all the facts and follow up at the appropriate time with the Steelers and Ben.”Enough is enough. The league has to sack Roethlisberger — for his sake, for the sake of the league and for the commissioner’s own credibility. He should be suspended for four games.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/sports/football/14rhoden.htmlSecondly, Goodell is going to face even more scrutiny for his handling of the matter. He's been known to punish players in the past without the legal process running its course -- such as Adam "Pacman" Jones and Larry Johnson -- so he needs to show consistency in how he wields his personal conduct policy in this matter. It would be one thing if Roethlisberger had only one issue hovering over his head. Two claims of sexual assault should put him squarely within Goodell's crosshairs this time.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=5079124Four examples, all by black media, all of whom made it a point to bring up Vick and Pac Man.

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 05:17 PM
people cared about Vick before he was charged when the story broke. You can boast and brag about Ben being one of the best in the game and then expect him to get treated like the average NFL player when a SA charge gets slung in his direction.

I know I can't change your mind and you definitely won't change mine...

Crash
05-18-2012, 05:33 PM
You can boast and brag about Ben being one of the best in the game and then expect him to get treated like the average NFL player when a SA charge gets slung in his directionSo you are telling me, that because Ben is a great player that gives Goodell the right to railroad him because black media demanded it?

If you believe and condone that? You've got problems.

And for the last time? ACCUSATION, he was never charged with a crime.

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 06:24 PM
It wasn't just the black media... plenty of Steeler fans and NFL fans were frustrated with Ben for being in the news again with a second SA accusation.

You can blame it all on race if it makes you sleep better at night....

Crash
05-18-2012, 06:37 PM
It wasn't just the black media... plenty of Steeler fans and NFL fans were frustrated with Ben for being in the news again with a second SA accusation.

You can blame it all on race if it makes you sleep better at night....

Race was why he was suspended. Facts have shown the Goodell made his own rules for white Ben Roethlisberger because black media and black players demanded and dared Goodell to do it.

feltdizz
05-18-2012, 07:24 PM
OK. .. I guess if you say it enough it becomes the truth.

Crash
05-18-2012, 07:42 PM
OK. .. I guess if you say it enough it becomes the truth.

The Brandon Marshall situation proves it. What's funny is the first article I linked mentioned Marshall, and he's had two ADDITIONAL situations since that time and he's STILL not missed any additional games.

So much for not being well known.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 08:21 PM
Dude, my wife has no idea who Brandon Marshall is...most of my co-workers have no idea who Brandon Marshall is...

My neighbors? Same thing...

They all know who Ben Roethlisberger is...

Are you telling me that they don't know who Brandon Marshall is because he's black?

Because that isn't true...

They don't know who he is because he isn't nearly as famous as Ben Roethlisberger...period...

3 time Pro Bowler? Where is the Pro Bowl being played in 2014? That's how important the Pro Bowl is...

Unfurl the race flag all you want though...we will have to agree to disagree on this one...

Crash
05-18-2012, 08:33 PM
Disagree all you want. I'll let the facts speak for me.

I can't wait until a black player gets in the same situation as Ben did, and Goodell suspends him without charges.

Watch the reaction of the same black media who demanded Ben's head.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 08:39 PM
Disagree all you want. I'll let the facts speak for me.

I can't wait until a black player gets in the same situation as Ben did, and Goodell suspends him without charges.

Watch the reaction of the same black media who demanded Ben's head.

If and when it happens with a player as famous as Ben, then we'll see...

But, since Goodell has already set the precedent with the white franchise QB, he can point to that as his example of "consistency" when he suspends a black player...

"Let the facts speak for me." You're hilarious!

Crash
05-18-2012, 08:43 PM
"Let the facts speak for me." You're hilarious!

What I am is right. People who try to use Ben's status as a player to justify is wrongful suspension are laughable. Perrish Cox lied to police, and was charged with FELONY RAPE of a helpless victim, and Goodell let it slide.

Because the same black media who roasted Ben didn't care.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 08:45 PM
What I am is right. People who try to use Ben's status as a player to justify is wrongful suspension are laughable.

Almost as laughable as people who try to use Ben's status as a white man to justify his wrongful suspension...

Who is Perrish Cox, anyway?

Crash
05-18-2012, 08:47 PM
Almost as laughable as people who try to use Ben's status as a white man to justify his wrongful suspension...

Who is Perrish Cox, anyway?

He's the guy who was charged with felony rape who somehow got off despite the fact that even though he denied having sex with his victim, fathered her baby.

And Goodell let it go.

And anyone who agrees with Goodell for letting Cox slide? Condones rape. Period.

Crash
05-18-2012, 08:49 PM
Ben's status as a white QB was the lynchpin for numerous media calling for his suspension.

The links I provided don't lie Slap.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 08:51 PM
Paternity tests are a b!tch, eh? That whole situation was beyond messed up...I can't help but wonder if Demaryius Thomas just pretended that Ike Taylor was actually Perrish Cox for the entire playoff game and took his revenge...

Crash
05-18-2012, 08:52 PM
So your joking about rape? Nice.

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 08:55 PM
So your joking about rape? Nice.

"You're"

If you going to climb on your moral high horse with me, at least use grammar correctly...

Crash
05-18-2012, 08:58 PM
But, since Goodell has already set the precedent with the white franchise QB, he can point to that as his example of "consistency" when he suspends a black player...

CORRECTION: The above scenario CAN'T happen. Because according to the NFL, EVERY PLAYER with the exception of Ben Roethlisberger isn't eligible for PCP suspension without being charged with a crime.

Crash
05-18-2012, 09:02 PM
"You're"

If you going to climb on your moral high horse with me, at least use grammar correctly...

You go ahead and correct my grammar. I'd rather have poor grammar than joke about rape.

You probably threw a party when OJ was found not guilty too huh?

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 09:03 PM
You go ahead and correct my grammar. I'd rather have poor grammar than joke about rape.

You probably threw a party when OJ was found not guilty too huh?

Dude, chill...

I'm white and I have neither sexually assaulted nor raped anyone, so I should be, like, one of your favorite people...

Crash
05-18-2012, 09:05 PM
Dude, chill...

I'm white and I have neither sexually assaulted nor raped anyone, so I should be, like, one of your favorite people...

I still remember when you said Mike Doss was going to be a better pro than Troy.

Oof...

Slapstick
05-18-2012, 09:12 PM
I still remember when you said Mike Doss was going to be a better pro than Troy.

Oof...

As my grandfather (who was also white and also never sexually assaulted nor raped anyone) often said, "Some people are not going to like you."

If you decide that you don't like me? I'll live...

BTW, remember when you railed on for 15 pages about how Goodell is a reverse racist?

Oof...

Crash
05-18-2012, 09:40 PM
BTW, remember when you railed on for 15 pages about how Goodell is a reverse racist?

Oof...

I don't believe I said that once. What I said was he gave into racial pressure and suspended white Ben when according to his own right hand man Greg Aiello, players aren't eligible for PCP suspension unless charges are filed. So you would have to ask the NFL why ONE QB has a different set of rules for him, than every other player in this league.

Flasteel
05-18-2012, 09:50 PM
Dude, chill...

I'm white and I have neither sexually assaulted nor raped anyone, so I should be, like, one of your favorite people...

Are you divorced?:-D

hawaiiansteel
05-18-2012, 10:15 PM
Are you divorced?:-D

no, but Hines Ward is...;-)