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Shoe
04-26-2012, 07:40 PM
They got Richardson, we got Isaac Redman.

They have a similar running style... Am I crazy to think we can have comparable on-field production this year from our undrafted free agent, as they get from the third overall pick?

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2012, 07:41 PM
Yes, you are crazy. Redman is solid. Richardson is a BEAST.

Shoe
04-26-2012, 07:48 PM
So I guess you don't think Redman is capable of 1,000+ yards in a season? Interesting.

I think he is... I think he is capable of 1,200... 1,400 even. Granted, that's pretty optimistic, but if he's able to just hit 1,000--I think that will compare to Richardson in his rookie season.

RuthlessBurgher
04-26-2012, 07:52 PM
A thousand yard rushing season is reasonably solid production. That's what Redman is capable of.

Beastly backs get 1500+ yards and over 2000 yards when you add in their receiving yardage, plus double digit TD's. That's what Richardson is capable of (if Cleveland has reasonable enough pieces around him, which at this point, is questionable).

Shawn
04-26-2012, 08:20 PM
Crazy talk...Richardson is the best back I have seen since Peterson. He is a game changer. Redman is not.

SteelCrazy
04-26-2012, 08:39 PM
comparing Redman to Richardson is like comparing me to Redman.

birtikidis
04-26-2012, 08:47 PM
Richardson will have one of the BEST LT to run behind and a pretty darn good center too. Couple first rounders.

Oviedo
04-26-2012, 10:37 PM
Is mentioning Redman and Richardson in the same sentence even serious??? Please be realistic. Richardson is a future star and Redman never will be.

Shoe
04-26-2012, 11:44 PM
I don't understand what is so crazy. Are people expecting Richardson to go off for 1,500 yards next year?

I asked if Redman might have a comparable year to Richardson this year. Haley is planning on bringing in a more run-oriented scheme. Is it that far off to think Redman gains 1,000+ yards? If he does, IMO, that would compare with a good rookie year from Richardson.

flippy
04-26-2012, 11:50 PM
Now that we've got Decastro, the sky's the limit for all the Steelers' RBs.

Better linemen lead to Heath being used more in the passing game.

That leads to less men in the box to block.

That makes the linemen more effective.

And in turn helps the running game.

Which in turn will give Ben extra seconds to make plays downfield to Wallace, Brown, and Sanders.

Who cares about Richardson, we friggin got Decastro.

God is a Steelers fan, that's for sure.

phillyesq
04-27-2012, 08:55 AM
Richardson will have one of the BEST LT to run behind and a pretty darn good center too. Couple first rounders.

Redman now has a two first rounders as well. That said, it isn't at all close. Put differently -- if you plugged Redman into the Browns, with no WRs and no passing game, what would you expect from him? Richardson, even with a D keyed on him, can carry that team.

feltdizz
04-27-2012, 09:15 AM
Richardson has proven himself already in the NFL??

Oviedo
04-27-2012, 09:22 AM
Richardson has proven himself already in the NFL??


Has Redman really proven himself? He played because the starter got hurt. Not exactly trending for the HoF. Richardson will be the better back and trying to cast Redman as anywhere near him talent-wise is laughable.

phillyesq
04-27-2012, 09:45 AM
Richardson has proven himself already in the NFL??

Would you trade Redman for Richardson? I sure as hell would, and I like Redman.

Shoe
04-27-2012, 10:03 AM
Would you trade Barry Foster for Emmitt Smith? Barry Sanders?

My guess is a resounding YES. Yet for one season, Foster paced both Sanders and Smith in a season (when both had excellent years). The people who are dismissing the notion are either not understanding the question:

-(I asked if you thought Redman, with a starting job + a new commitment to the run game, could produce on par with Cleveland's #1 pick)

-Think that Redman is only capable of 600 or so yards (legitimate opinion)

-think Richardson is going to set the league on fire (IMO, a longshot this season)

Sugar
04-27-2012, 10:07 AM
Has Redman really proven himself? He played because the starter got hurt. Not exactly trending for the HoF. Richardson will be the better back and trying to cast Redman as anywhere near him talent-wise is laughable.

Richardson will probably be the best starting back in the division. Redman will only start because Mendenhall is injured and will probably be the worst starting RB in the division- even though he's a good player.

feltdizz
04-27-2012, 10:12 AM
Has Redman really proven himself? He played because the starter got hurt. Not exactly trending for the HoF. Richardson will be the better back and trying to cast Redman as anywhere near him talent-wise is laughable.


Doesn't matter why Redman is starting or if he is the better talent. That wasn't the question the OP posed. He is talking about production THIS year by both RB's. Richardson is still a Brown and I doubt he will have an Adrian Peterson type rookie year.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Redman putting up better numbers at the start of the season. Richardson is more talented but Redman is consistent at getting 4 to 5 yards a pop. We also have Decastro on the OL now!

I know you aren't a believer in Redman but he has a style that screams 100 ypg... it won't be flashy but it will be consistent. The Browns still lack a ton on the offensive side of the ball.

Richardson hasn't done anything yet and while I think he will be a stud I wont crown him until I see it in the NFL.

Oviedo
04-27-2012, 10:19 AM
Doesn't matter why Redman is starting or if he is the better talent. That wasn't the question the OP posed. He is talking about production THIS year by both RB's. Richardson is still a Brown and I doubt he will have an Adrian Peterson type rookie year.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Redman putting up better numbers at the start of the season. Richardson is more talented but Redman is consistent at getting 4 to 5 yards a pop. We also have Decastro on the OL now!

I know you aren't a believer in Redman but he has a style that screams 100 ypg... it won't be flashy but it will be consistent. The Browns still lack a ton on the offensive side of the ball.

Richardson hasn't done anything yet and while I think he will be a stud I wont crown him until I see it in the NFL.

I'm not as anti-Redman as many like to think, but I just see a decent back-up RB nothing more. No WOW! No special. I think there are two FA RBs that formerly player for Haley, Hightower and Battle, that give you the same thing Redman does.

As far as his style while it may scream 100 ypg to you, it screams injury by mid-season to me. He can't avoid contact which is a problem for a RB.

Jooser
04-27-2012, 10:27 AM
With Redman's running style, he won't last the whole season because his body isn't big enough to back up his running style for an entire season. Look, he gets winded before the game is over because of this, so he will eventually wear down as the season goes on. I like Redman, he's all heart, like Rocko. But, he isn't even on the level as a Richardson. If we hang on to our rehabbing Mendy, Redman will start splitting carries when he comes back, but I'd bet he'll be splitting carries before that even.

feltdizz
04-27-2012, 10:50 AM
With Redman's running style, he won't last the whole season because his body isn't big enough to back up his running style for an entire season. Look, he gets winded before the game is over because of this, so he will eventually wear down as the season goes on. I like Redman, he's all heart, like Rocko. But, he isn't even on the level as a Richardson. If we hang on to our rehabbing Mendy, Redman will start splitting carries when he comes back, but I'd bet he'll be splitting carries before that even.

You make it sound like a bad thing to split carries...

I expect Redman to get 15 to 17 touches a game just like the Denver game..

phillyesq
04-27-2012, 11:00 AM
Would you trade Barry Foster for Emmitt Smith? Barry Sanders?

My guess is a resounding YES. Yet for one season, Foster paced both Sanders and Smith in a season (when both had excellent years). The people who are dismissing the notion are either not understanding the question:

-(I asked if you thought Redman, with a starting job + a new commitment to the run game, could produce on par with Cleveland's #1 pick)

-Think that Redman is only capable of 600 or so yards (legitimate opinion)

-think Richardson is going to set the league on fire (IMO, a longshot this season)


To go to your original question, I think Redman will be productive and useful this year. I also think the Steelers will find a complimentary back to pair with Redman, limiting his touches and overall production.

Richardson will be hampered by the lack of any other weapon, but I think he could still end up with 1200 yards.

Sugar
04-27-2012, 11:09 AM
To go to your original question, I think Redman will be productive and useful this year. I also think the Steelers will find a complimentary back to pair with Redman, limiting his touches and overall production.

Richardson will be hampered by the lack of any other weapon, but I think he could still end up with 1200 yards.

We still don't know what Barron Batch will bring to the party or if they will sign another RB from the draft. Clay and Dwyer are still there as well so there should be plenty of people to platoon with Redman.

Jooser
04-27-2012, 11:27 AM
My only point about splitting carries is the one made by Philly, it will limit his overall production numbers. He's not capable of carrying the workload by himself. BTW, we lost to Denver, remember?

Slapstick
04-27-2012, 11:30 AM
My only point about splitting carries is the one made by Philly, it will limit his overall production numbers. He's not capable of carrying the workload by himself. BTW, we lost to Denver, remember?

It certainly wasn't because of anything Redman did or did not do...

ikestops85
04-27-2012, 11:58 AM
My only point about splitting carries is the one made by Philly, it will limit his overall production numbers. He's not capable of carrying the workload by himself. BTW, we lost to Denver, remember?

Why do you think Redman isn't capable of carrying the workload? I think he can carry the workload just as well as Mendy did. I would like to see Batch develop and provide a different style of runner and get some carries but I'm perfectly fine with Redman. The guy has done everthing asked of him and he's done it better than any back we have on the team. Is it just because he's an UDFA? I wonder if folks in Houston are saying the same thing about Arian Foster?

Oviedo
04-27-2012, 12:08 PM
Why do you think Redman isn't capable of carrying the workload? I think he can carry the workload just as well as Mendy did. I would like to see Batch develop and provide a different style of runner and get some carries but I'm perfectly fine with Redman. The guy has done everthing asked of him and he's done it better than any back we have on the team. Is it just because he's an UDFA? I wonder if folks in Houston are saying the same thing about Arian Foster?

Really comparing Redmnan to Foster in addition to Richardson. I get some are in love with the "underdog" angle but a little relaity please

Jooser
04-27-2012, 12:34 PM
I make my assessment on the fact that the guy is gassed after about 10 carries. I give you that he runs hard and is easy to cheer on, but he hasn't shown me that he's a feature back yet. Just sayin'.

Snatch98
04-27-2012, 12:59 PM
I make my assessment on the fact that the guy is gassed after about 10 carries. I give you that he runs hard and is easy to cheer on, but he hasn't shown me that he's a feature back yet. Just sayin'.

It's because he's not a feature back. I love the guy but he's not a carry the load kind of runner. We're certainly going to use a heavy committee approach, especially if they draft a guy like James in round 2. Comparing him to Trent Richardson is also one of the craziest things I've read on a website in a while. It's something you'd read on a Browns board. Colt McCoy is ALMOST as good as Big Ben. :eek:

Jooser
04-27-2012, 02:00 PM
It's because he's not a feature back. I love the guy but he's not a carry the load kind of runner. We're certainly going to use a heavy committee approach, especially if they draft a guy like James in round 2. Comparing him to Trent Richardson is also one of the craziest things I've read on a website in a while. It's something you'd read on a Browns board. Colt McCoy is ALMOST as good as Big Ben. :eek:

Exactly my point Snatch.

Shawn
04-27-2012, 02:14 PM
Richardson will probably be the best starting back in the division. Redman will only start because Mendenhall is injured and will probably be the worst starting RB in the division- even though he's a good player.


Exactly. I suspect Richardson will be the best RB in the AFC in very short order. Redman couldn't even get significant PT behind Mendenhall.

steelblood
04-27-2012, 02:28 PM
Redman is an awesome backup or even complimentary back.

But, how in the world does this thread have legs?

Jooser
04-27-2012, 02:40 PM
Beats the heck outa me. :confused:

feltdizz
04-27-2012, 03:48 PM
It's because he's not a feature back. I love the guy but he's not a carry the load kind of runner. We're certainly going to use a heavy committee approach, especially if they draft a guy like James in round 2. Comparing him to Trent Richardson is also one of the craziest things I've read on a website in a while. It's something you'd read on a Browns board. Colt McCoy is ALMOST as good as Big Ben. :eek:

Actually it's not crazy at all... You guys keep seeing Redman vs Richardson talent and career wise... but the OP is asking about PRODUCTION by Redman as a starter in year 3 vs Richardson in year one.

It's no different then wondering if Colt McCoy or Mark Sanchez will have the same production as Andrew Luck next year... neither are as good as Luck but since he is on a bad Colts team and is a rookie it wouldn't be a shock to see Luck struggle or put up average numbers his first year.

ikestops85
04-27-2012, 04:24 PM
I think it's going to be funny when Redman finishes out the year with over 1200 yards averaging over 4 ypc. I'm sure you guys will be giving all the credit to DeCastro and Redman still gets none. You guys keep saying Redman can't be the primary back but can never come up with a reason why ... you just say he can't. Sure, the guy has asthma, he might have to come out after for a breather every now and then. So what? He's been better than Mendy in everything he's tried. He blocks better, he runs harder, he breaks tackles, he picks up 1st downs in short yardage, he scores around the goal line, and he catches and runs with the ball better (remember him winning the game against the Ratbirds).

When Mendy got hurt Redman came in and in 3 quarters he ran for over 90 yards. The next game against Denver he ran for 120 yards. What more does the guy have to do to prove it to you. He's good ... no, he's damn good!!

feltdizz
04-27-2012, 04:29 PM
Redman has to go back in time and be a stud at a D1 school and get drafted in the 1st round in order to get any credit.

I'm a big Redman fan and it's not because he was undrafted... it's because he runs hard, breaks tackles and gets 4to 5 ypc.

Shoe
04-28-2012, 01:48 PM
Really comparing Redmnan to Foster in addition to Richardson. I get some are in love with the "underdog" angle but a little relaity please

I understand that it's a long shot, but why is it so outlandish? Remember Barry Foster? Barry Foster led the league (AFC) in rushing one year, coming out of the blue. He was a 5th round pick, who spent his first two years getting very little game time. He was relegated to sitting behind a first-round pick (Worley), and had to wait his turn. When Worley wasn't up to the challenge in '92 (can't remember why he wasn't available), Foster was inserted and the rest is history. He had 1,690 yards!

Now I'm not saying Redman is set to do the same thing, but it's not some pipe dream. You go out Week 1, gain 100 yards, follow that up with another good week, and another... By midseason (if you are still upright), you are among league leaders. Then you are in the stretch run, where your focus increases. You put your soreness on the back burner, and you sacrifice, suck it up for your team--and you continue to grind. Before you know it, you've played a season of NFL football... if Redman does that, it's not hard to imagine 1,000 yards plus.

feltdizz
04-28-2012, 04:32 PM
I understand that it's a long shot, but why is it so outlandish? Remember Barry Foster? Barry Foster led the league (AFC) in rushing one year, coming out of the blue. He was a 5th round pick, who spent his first two years getting very little game time. He was relegated to sitting behind a first-round pick (Worley), and had to wait his turn. When Worley wasn't up to the challenge in '92 (can't remember why he wasn't available), Foster was inserted and the rest is history. He had 1,690 yards!

Now I'm not saying Redman is set to do the same thing, but it's not some pipe dream. You go out Week 1, gain 100 yards, follow that up with another good week, and another... By midseason (if you are still upright), you are among league leaders. Then you are in the stretch run, where your focus increases. You put your soreness on the back burner, and you sacrifice, suck it up for your team--and you continue to grind. Before you know it, you've played a season of NFL football... if Redman does that, it's not hard to imagine 1,000 yards plus.

If Redman gets 15 to 17 touches a game he will get 1000 yards with ease. Redman is an Emmit Smith type running back. He avoids direct contact and although he isn't fast he gets to the second level and turns 3 yards into 7.

I'm not sure why some fans won't admit what they see when Redman gets the ball. Its obvious he has good instincts and just about every time he touhches the ball he makes something out of nothing. Redman with this new OL and Haley calling the plays?

If Redman starts the whole season put me down for 1500 yards.

hawaiiansteel
08-08-2012, 04:48 PM
Trent Richardson to visit Dr. James Andrews

Posted by Michael David Smith on August 8, 2012

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/x61016-e1341843952132.jpg?w=240

So much for Trent Richardson’s knee being nothing to worry about.

Whatever the Browns’ medical staff saw on Richardson’s MRI, they’re worried enough that they’re sending him to see the renowned sports surgeon Dr. James Andrews, who performed arthroscopic surgery on the same knee in February.

“Trent Richardson is traveling to Pensacola, Fla., where he will have his left knee further evaluated by Dr. James Andrews tomorrow,” Browns coach Pat Shurmur said.

Richardson hasn’t been practicing this week because of soreness in the knee and isn’t expected to play in the Browns’ preseason opener against the Lions on Friday. The Browns traded up to draft Richardson, viewing him as a big-time offensive playmaker for years to come. A visit to Dr. Andrews before ever playing in a game was not what Cleveland was hoping for.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/trent-richardson-to-visit-dr-james-andrews/

aggiebones
08-08-2012, 05:58 PM
If you don't think redman can have as many yards is richardson this year, then you don't know anything about football. Hey brookie verses a veteran with a nice complementary offense. Richardson will have a tough year behind that offense they have in cleveland.

I laughed at a few of you, particularly Ovi, who is still fighting that Redman has looked very goodwith the rock. No question in my mind that he will be VERY productive this year.

lloydroid
08-08-2012, 08:02 PM
Our back is comparable to Richardson's skills, but it's not Redman, who is so much slower than Richardson, it's Dwyer, who could put up similar #s. I just hope he gets his chance to show it.

Slapstick
08-08-2012, 11:15 PM
Our back is comparable to Richardson's skills, but it's not Redman, who is so much slower than Richardson, it's Dwyer, who could put up similar #s. I just hope he gets his chance to show it.

That's ALL on Dwyer...

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
08-09-2012, 09:54 AM
If you are asking the question from a strictly numbers standpoint, then yes, Redman and Richardson could very well put up similar numbers.

However, when opposing DCs gameplan for each team, Redman will not be the name at the top of the chalkboard for teams playing against Pittsburgh. Richardson's will definitely be on top of the Browns board, and there may only be one other name even on the board - Cribbs.