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JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-18-2012, 01:11 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/last-5-potential-draft-choices-visit-steelers-631929/

Also visiting the Steelers are tight end Adrien Robinson of Cincinnati, offensive lineman Kelvin Beachum of Southern Methodist and wide receivers Toney Clemons of Colorado and Gregory Childs of Arkansas. Clemons played at Valley High School.




Looks like visits are all done. Had Childs in several mocks but as his stock went up, took him out. If he didn't injure his Patella and came out last year, could have been a late 1st early 2nd. Played 2011 recovering from the injury but based on his workouts it looks like his explosiveness is returning. He did have surgery but the Patella wasn't torn. If you want a comparison, Childs would be TO without the drama. Very similiar to Floyd with better agility. He is big, physical, and can move. He isn't the tall lanky receiver with blazing speed who has only an "over or up" game. He is more of a chiseled athlete who wants to be physical and play between the hashes and use his athleticism and strength to make plays...The opposite of Wallace. A piece we could really use. A very dangerous player if added to the mix with Wallace & Brown. He could take a slant & pull out of an arm tackle and take it the distance. Could also be the lone WR in Goal Line you put out on that island.

steelerkeylargo
04-18-2012, 01:17 PM
Loved Beachum as a Junior but didn't think he progressed as a senior. Probably kicks inside.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-18-2012, 01:38 PM
Loved Beachum as a Junior but didn't think he progressed as a senior. Probably kicks inside.

I agree. Seems durable with alot of experience. May be a LG prospect.

Ghost
04-18-2012, 01:59 PM
SI's Don Banks has the Steelers taking Poe in his mock put out today. I"ve seen Poe all over the draft order (10 to second round). Crazy combine numbers but I never saw him play at Memphis.

calmkiller
04-18-2012, 02:17 PM
All visitors have been added to the list.

http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/37087-Official-2012-Visit-Thread

Oviedo
04-18-2012, 02:35 PM
SI's Don Banks has the Steelers taking Poe in his mock put out today. I"ve seen Poe all over the draft order (10 to second round). Crazy combine numbers but I never saw him play at Memphis.

I saw him play versus a struggling UCF team. Nothing special and definitely not the dominant player his workouts would suggest. This year's Mike Mamula???????

SteelBucks
04-18-2012, 03:04 PM
SI's Don Banks has the Steelers taking Poe in his mock put out today. I"ve seen Poe all over the draft order (10 to second round). Crazy combine numbers but I never saw him play at Memphis.

I was just going to post SI's mock. I'd be happy with Poe and I could live with Hightower. I'm still holding out hope that the Steelers trade up and draft DeCastro. I know it's a dream but I'm an optimist (heck, I still think the Pens have a chance to beat the Flyers :shock:).

aggiebones
04-18-2012, 03:23 PM
Or this year's Pierre Paul?

I think more and more that we'll end up with a DT that falls to us. I doubt its Poe, but I have a sneaky feeling there's a run stuffer that we love and will take.

OL in the second, 3-5 CB-WR-LB

Just have a feeling. But not worth its own thread. :)

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-18-2012, 04:04 PM
Well I was very high on Poe with the limited game film on him before the combine. After the combine more & more surfaced and I obtained some Memphis games too. Best word to decribe what I saw..."Flashes". His play was inconsistent. He was lost in the DL as often as he stood out. He would "flash" what his combine numbers suggested...Then he would look like a big body teams were focusing on and easily minimized his production. He definately had games he would put on the top of his resume but even in those games he disapperared at times. Now, the talent surrounding him on defense was...To be gentle...Terrible. Teams did a very good job of taking him out of his comfort zone. You could see fatigue played a big part in games down the stretch because his snap count seem to play big part in Memphis defense's lack of production. The motor misfired later in the games. Playing on a 2-10 team that couldn't score could do that. They also moved him around alot in base & sub packages to get him away from the blocking gameplan against him. A man that size playing in the heat coming off the edge with 4 plays of break between series ran him down. You can see their focus was to try and utilize their best player and gain mismatches but the tank dried up quickly as the snap count went up. An excuse? No...That won't be acceptable at the next level. However, I don't see a team asking Poe to do what he did at Memphis. He will have a role.

Guaging where he would fit best is difficult. Out of the box, he looked like he could play 0,3, or 5. As the games get into the 2nd half...He really became average on the outside. I do believe his role would be best inside. Poe's best attribute is holding up at the point of attack. He isn't a great penetrator and he isn't shooting the gap to get to the QB. He plays best in a phone booth if he is allowed to use his hands and come off blocks to flow to the ball. In my opinion, a zero technique would be his best position. He does have violent hands....When he uses them....And looks to be very good controlling blockers. He never flashed great ability to gain a shoulder on an OL and he rarely makes himself skinny shooting a gap. He is going to be a lunch pale DT that will be asked to do the dirty work...Or a NT in a 3-4. If he is asked to be a 4-3 DT who will get push and pressure the QB...The team will be disappointed. He should have more range then the traditional NT in a 3-4 & is very capable of staying on the field inside in the sub packages. He will need coaching on technique and his best situation will be not to start day 1 in base. He will be part of a rotation and will have to learn the "support role" of a NT in a 3-4.

What makes it difficult is Poe was never showcased against NFL talent through the whole process. His ceiling could be a Probowler but the floor is low...It is a risk. The higher you take him the bigger the risk. In the beginning of this process I wanted Poe at #24. After the combine he looked out of reach. Now, even if he is there...I would be weighing my options. To me, he is part of that group of borderline 1st round talent that starts around the 22 +/- mark. I can put several lists of players together through different scenarios and Poe moves everytime like the rest of them. There is that group of players you like and hope one falls...Then there is the rest. To be honest..."the rest" has me looking to trade down or taking BPA & not reaching for need.

Shoe
04-18-2012, 04:09 PM
Poe is in-between Big Daddy Wilkinson and Ziggy Hood. If you recall, Big Daddy also was considered a physical marvel. And like Poe, still didn't exactly set the world on fire with his play. Big Daddy ended being drafted on his so-called potential.

Hood was much the same way too. If I recall, he posted positional bests, or near positional bests at the Combine. That, combined with his solid yet unspectacular college career, pushed him into the first round. (In college, with "superior" physical skills, you should be owning folks.)

Poe is like that. Us drafting him will ensure a solid but wholly unspectacular D-line. We'd might not get pushed around (with a line like Poe, Heyward, and Hood), but they will do very little to change games IMO.

RuthlessBurgher
04-18-2012, 04:20 PM
There are several guys that I would get excited about if we were somehow able to get (if they happened to fall to us, or if we were able to trade up). Guys like DeCastro, Kuechly, Martin, Glenn, Barron.

There are several guys that I do not want to take at #24. Guys with red flags like Mike Adams or Janoris Jenkins, or 2nd round guys we'd reach for like Kevin Zeitler.

Poe is in the middle (along with Dont'a Hightower, for that matter). I like the idea of those picks, but don't love the idea. Both fill needs for us...Poe has a higher ceiling but Hightower has a higher floor...both could be solid picks...I wouldn't disagree with either of them at #24 (would greatly prefer either of them to the guys on that second list), but I'm still hoping for someone from that first list instead. We'll see.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-18-2012, 04:26 PM
Poe is in-between Big Daddy Wilkinson and Ziggy Hood. If you recall, Big Daddy also was considered a physical marvel. And like Poe, still didn't exactly set the world on fire with his play. Big Daddy ended being drafted on his so-called potential.

Hood was much the same way too. If I recall, he posted positional bests, or near positional bests at the Combine. That, combined with his solid yet unspectacular college career, pushed him into the first round. (In college, with "superior" physical skills, you should be owning folks.)

Poe is like that. Us drafting him will ensure a solid but wholly unspectacular D-line. We'd might not get pushed around (with a line like Poe, Heyward, and Hood), but they will do very little to change games IMO.

That will be the case. Might as well take the names off the back of the jerseys for anyone who plays DL in this 3-4 because only the football minds know how well and what their roles are. Their production is measured by the success of the LBs in the film room. Poe, Ta’amu, and Chapman may do enough in time to standout at the NT position much like Hampton....But their success will never be measured in the stat book. It will be the LBs and the defense as a whole who will benefit from their production.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-18-2012, 04:27 PM
There are several guys that I would get excited about if we were somehow able to get (if they happened to fall to us, or if we were able to trade up). Guys like DeCastro, Kuechly, Martin, Glenn, Barron.

There are several guys that I do not want to take at #24. Guys with red flags like Mike Adams or Janoris Jenkins, or 2nd round guys we'd reach for like Kevin Zeitler.
Poe is in the middle (along with Dont'a Hightower, for that matter). I like the idea of those picks, but don't love the idea. Both fill needs for us...Poe has a higher ceiling but Hightower has a higher floor...both could be solid picks...I wouldn't disagree with either of them at #24 (would greatly prefer either of them to the guys on that second list), but I'm still hoping for someone from that first list instead. We'll see.

Well said and you pretty much nailed my list.

Dee Dub
04-18-2012, 07:06 PM
From Don Banks of CNNSI who he now thinks will go to the Steelers at 24....

"The plummeting but freakishly gifted Poe"

Hilarious. Most of you should recall I said that Poe should have never climbed up the first round because of his combine work outs. That on film he didnt show much. So now he is supposedly falling? How does that happen? Very simple, experts scrambling for his game tapes.

Shoe
04-19-2012, 01:57 AM
That will be the case. Might as well take the names off the back of the jerseys for anyone who plays DL in this 3-4 because only the football minds know how well and what their roles are. Their production is measured by the success of the LBs in the film room. Poe, Ta’amu, and Chapman may do enough in time to standout at the NT position much like Hampton....But their success will never be measured in the stat book. It will be the LBs and the defense as a whole who will benefit from their production.

While you are correct, there still is opportunity to distinguish one's self.

I don't see Poe becoming Hampton or Smith. I think we've seen the best of Hood already, and it's not Hampton/Smith level. Cam Heyward may turn into a serviceable starter (e.g. Nolan Harrison), but I don't see him becoming anything much more than that.

Adding Poe would give us a decent front, but would probably prevent us from fieding a defense that's short of "great" (like that '08 team with Hampton & Smith for example).

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-19-2012, 09:47 AM
While you are correct, there still is opportunity to distinguish one's self.

I don't see Poe becoming Hampton or Smith. I think we've seen the best of Hood already, and it's not Hampton/Smith level. Cam Heyward may turn into a serviceable starter (e.g. Nolan Harrison), but I don't see him becoming anything much more than that.

Adding Poe would give us a decent front, but would probably prevent us from fieding a defense that's short of "great" (like that '08 team with Hampton & Smith for example).

That is a high bar for anyone. I wouldn't say Hood-Heyward and whomever couldn't achieve that level. I actually think Heyward has more upside than Smith or Keisel. Hood has leveled off but that doesn't mean there isn't another rise on the horizon. As far as the NT...I actually like Ta'amu, Martin, and Chapman's value in more scenarios than Poe.

Oviedo
04-19-2012, 10:58 AM
There are several guys that I would get excited about if we were somehow able to get (if they happened to fall to us, or if we were able to trade up). Guys like DeCastro, Kuechly, Martin, Glenn, Barron.

There are several guys that I do not want to take at #24. Guys with red flags like Mike Adams or Janoris Jenkins, or 2nd round guys we'd reach for like Kevin Zeitler.

Poe is in the middle (along with Dont'a Hightower, for that matter). I like the idea of those picks, but don't love the idea. Both fill needs for us...Poe has a higher ceiling but Hightower has a higher floor...both could be solid picks...I wouldn't disagree with either of them at #24 (would greatly prefer either of them to the guys on that second list), but I'm still hoping for someone from that first list instead. We'll see.


Would it really be a reach to take a guy like Zeitler at #24, especially if you believe he could be a Day 1 starter and start at OG for the next 10 years? Isn't the point to get a person who can help your team the most? If you know there is no chance you can get Zeitler in Round 2 why not get him in Round 1 versus a player who may sit and not contribute for a year or two.

RuthlessBurgher
04-19-2012, 12:29 PM
Would it really be a reach to take a guy like Zeitler at #24, especially if you believe he could be a Day 1 starter and start at OG for the next 10 years? Isn't the point to get a person who can help your team the most? If you know there is no chance you can get Zeitler in Round 2 why not get him in Round 1 versus a player who may sit and not contribute for a year or two.

Zeitler might be a day 1 starter, but I just don't see Pro Bowl potential there (which is what I'm looking for in a 1st round pick). Perhaps a Kendall Simmons like career (if it weren't ended prematurely by diabetic complications and an Achilles tendon tear). To me, Zeitler has a high floor (not a huge likelihood of being an outright bust), but also has a low ceiling. Other day two guards like Amini Silatolu and Brandon Brooks appear to have a higher ceiling to me, but of course carry greater risk, since they come from smaller programs and did not face the talent week-after-week that Zeitler did playing in the Big Ten.

Even though I see OL as our biggest need like you do, if the choice at #24 came down to Zeitler or Hightower, I'd take Hightower and then target Silatolu or Brooks in round 2 (I see a bigger dropoff from Hightower to the next tier of ILB's than I do from Zeitler to the next tier of OG's). Even though I would be taking a risk that Silatolu or Brooks could be a bust, I think those guys have some intriguing upside if they are able to develop into legit NFL starters.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
04-19-2012, 01:24 PM
Zeitler might be a day 1 starter, but I just don't see Pro Bowl potential there (which is what I'm looking for in a 1st round pick). Perhaps a Kendall Simmons like career (if it weren't ended prematurely by diabetic complications and an Achilles tendon tear). To me, Zeitler has a high floor (not a huge likelihood of being an outright bust), but also has a low ceiling. Other day two guards like Amini Silatolu and Brandon Brooks appear to have a higher ceiling to me, but of course carry greater risk, since they come from smaller programs and did not face the talent week-after-week that Zeitler did playing in the Big Ten.

Even though I see OL as our biggest need like you do, if the choice at #24 came down to Zeitler or Hightower, I'd take Hightower and then target Silatolu or Brooks in round 2 (I see a bigger dropoff from Hightower to the next tier of ILB's than I do from Zeitler to the next tier of OG's). Even though I would be taking a risk that Silatolu or Brooks could be a bust, I think those guys have some intriguing upside if they are able to develop into legit NFL starters.

I agree. After Decastro there is a crop of Gs with little drop off in the 2-3 range. Zeitler is the prize of that crop but you still may get a day 1 starter in the 2nd and 3rd with the same return on investment. If you are asking me to pick between Hightower & Zeitler... I'm easily taking Hightower at #24. I would like to know my other options though.

Shoe
04-20-2012, 10:10 AM
Zeitler might be a day 1 starter, but I just don't see Pro Bowl potential there (which is what I'm looking for in a 1st round pick). Perhaps a Kendall Simmons like career (if it weren't ended prematurely by diabetic complications and an Achilles tendon tear). To me, Zeitler has a high floor (not a huge likelihood of being an outright bust), but also has a low ceiling. Other day two guards like Amini Silatolu and Brandon Brooks appear to have a higher ceiling to me, but of course carry greater risk, since they come from smaller programs and did not face the talent week-after-week that Zeitler did playing in the Big Ten.

Even though I see OL as our biggest need like you do, if the choice at #24 came down to Zeitler or Hightower, I'd take Hightower and then target Silatolu or Brooks in round 2 (I see a bigger dropoff from Hightower to the next tier of ILB's than I do from Zeitler to the next tier of OG's). Even though I would be taking a risk that Silatolu or Brooks could be a bust, I think those guys have some intriguing upside if they are able to develop into legit NFL starters.

To me, Zeitler's value (or best quality) is the glue he provides to our O-line. That is--we need an injection of intelligence, leadership, and toughness in the middle of that line. So to me, it's not about him blowing people off the ball like Mike Munchak or something. It's about him just being a rock in there, solidifying the line. I'm not so sure I want him at 24 though.

phillyesq
04-20-2012, 10:28 AM
Zeitler might be a day 1 starter, but I just don't see Pro Bowl potential there (which is what I'm looking for in a 1st round pick). Perhaps a Kendall Simmons like career (if it weren't ended prematurely by diabetic complications and an Achilles tendon tear). To me, Zeitler has a high floor (not a huge likelihood of being an outright bust), but also has a low ceiling. Other day two guards like Amini Silatolu and Brandon Brooks appear to have a higher ceiling to me, but of course carry greater risk, since they come from smaller programs and did not face the talent week-after-week that Zeitler did playing in the Big Ten.

Even though I see OL as our biggest need like you do, if the choice at #24 came down to Zeitler or Hightower, I'd take Hightower and then target Silatolu or Brooks in round 2 (I see a bigger dropoff from Hightower to the next tier of ILB's than I do from Zeitler to the next tier of OG's). Even though I would be taking a risk that Silatolu or Brooks could be a bust, I think those guys have some intriguing upside if they are able to develop into legit NFL starters.

Well said, Ruthless. Ultimately, what I want at 24 is the guy with a best chance of being an impact player over the next decade. If the Steelers were in the last three or four picks of the first round, I'd like the idea of Zeitler much better, but at 24, I'd like more than just a solid prospect.

Oviedo
04-20-2012, 10:33 AM
To me, Zeitler's value (or best quality) is the glue he provides to our O-line. That is--we need an injection of intelligence, leadership, and toughness in the middle of that line. So to me, it's not about him blowing people off the ball like Mike Munchak or something. It's about him just being a rock in there, solidifying the line. I'm not so sure I want him at 24 though.

Well said, but I would have no issue at #24 for all the reasons you stated. Consider any other possibility at #24 and say the same thing you just did about what Zeitler brings. Not sure you can.

phillyesq
04-20-2012, 10:36 AM
Well said, but I would have no issue at #24 for all the reasons you stated. Consider any other possibility at #24 and say the same thing you just did about what Zeitler brings. Not sure you can.

I'm not a huge Hightower guy (would be ok with drafting or not drafting him) but I think you could say that he would bring intelligence and inject toughness into the middle of the defense.

hawaiiansteel
04-24-2012, 12:42 AM
The key for Steelers? Picking, hoping

April 24, 2012
By Gerry Dulac / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Like a lot of teams in the bottom third of the NFL draft, the Steelers are not always sure which players will be available. And, with the 24th overall pick, they know most, if not all, of the so-called elite prospects already have been selected.

When the draft begins Thursday, that won't change for the Steelers.

If anything, identifying the top player for them might be even more precarious.

"The sure-fire, easy guys to evaluate and pick, there are not as many as there have been in the past," said general manager Kevin Colbert. "Once you get beyond the first seven to 10 guys, everybody is going to be picking and hoping. We are one of those teams."

Picking and hoping is not foreign territory for the Steelers, who are accustomed to drafting each year from near the bottom of each round. Succeeding is something to which they are accustomed, too, considering the quality of No. 1 picks they have made despite picking in the bottom half of the draft in eight of the past 11 years.

And that, Colbert said, is important for a team that relies on the draft, not free agency, to re-stock its talent and remain competitive.

"When you don't get the first-round guy right, that sets you back for probably four years because that is a slot you are going to try to fill at some point," Colbert said Monday at a pre-draft news conference at the team's South Side facility. "Yes, we are not big spenders in free agency and we will never be because we want to keep our own. But if we missed on a pick that we would want to be keeping as our own, it will set us back and distract us from what we need to be doing."

The Steelers would appear to have several immediate needs to address Thursday when the first round will be conducted. And it remains to be seen which position they might consider more urgent:

Inside linebacker, where defensive captain James Farrior was among several veteran leaders released in the offseason? Or nose tackle, where five-time Pro Bowler Casey Hampton is coming off major knee surgery and is in what is expected to be his final season with the team?

Those are the most likely positions to be addressed with the top pick, and the most likely candidates for those spots are Alabama inside linebacker Dont'a Hightower and Memphis nose tackle Dontari Poe -- if Poe is available.

Both players visited with the Steelers at the NFL combine in Indianapolis and their practice facility.

"Need is not a good word," Colbert said. "It's 'want.' We want players. We don't necessarily need. We try to add from within. The subtractions we made were substantial from a leadership standpoint. We talked about that before. That will be replaced -- we don't know by whom or how long [it will take].

"As far as the players released, we will try to replace them from within, the guys we already have. We can add to that with the young guys coming in and trying to compete for that playing time. Coach Tomlin will make a final decision of when a guy plays, but, quite honestly, there are not a lot of players in this draft that can come in and be immediate impact guys for us."

Colbert said one aspect of their draft evaluation has not changed: Wide receiver and cornerback are the deepest positions in the draft. But he added the situation with Pro Bowl receiver Mike Wallace, who has not signed his $2.7 million tender for 2012, will have no bearing -- "Not at all," he said -- on whether the team takes a wide receiver at some point in the draft.

Tomlin said he is not bothered about reports that say Wallace will not sign his tender and play for the Steelers this season. Wallace did not receive any offers from other NFL teams before Friday night -- the deadline for restricted free agents to sign with another team.

"There were reports he was going somewhere every day in restricted free agency and he's still here," Tomlin said. "So we'll deal with it day to day."

Colbert said the Steelers' goal remains the same: To sign Wallace to a contract that will keep him with the team for a long time.

"We said all along that the decision would be ours, and it remains that way. We want Mike to be here for the long haul, and he knows that, and we know that. Hopefully, at some point, we can get that done."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/the-key-for-steelers-picking-hoping-632838/