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phillyesq
04-05-2012, 08:54 PM
Per multiple reports on twitter.

Apparently, he found no takers in RFA.

Eddie Spaghetti
04-05-2012, 09:28 PM
good for him.

this guys takes way too much grief on here.

would much rather have him starting than legursky.

ikestops85
04-05-2012, 09:36 PM
good for him.

this guys takes way too much grief on here.

would much rather have him starting than legursky.

Not me ... I like Legursky much more than Foster. Legursky I think is going to be a pretty good left guard for us. Not great but pretty good if he ever gets a chance to play more than 2 or 3 games in a row at that position.

Crash
04-05-2012, 09:45 PM
I like Ramon. He always does that little extra to keep plays alive and help his OLs and his QB.

Watch him on Ben's scramble against the Bills in 2010 and Cotchery's TD in Denver this season. Always goes all out and plays whistle to whistle.

Crash
04-05-2012, 09:46 PM
If Lekursky is going to play I would rather he play center, where he can call blocking assignments, and have Pouncey and his quick feet at guard.

Eddie Spaghetti
04-05-2012, 09:53 PM
legursky stinks.

I don't get the manlove around here for him.

Crash
04-05-2012, 09:55 PM
As a guard he blows. I think he'd be solid at center.

Oviedo
04-05-2012, 10:07 PM
Not me ... I like Legursky much more than Foster. Legursky I think is going to be a pretty good left guard for us. Not great but pretty good if he ever gets a chance to play more than 2 or 3 games in a row at that position.

Ditto, however neither one should be an NFL starter.

Eddie Spaghetti
04-05-2012, 10:21 PM
the right side was hardly the problem last year.

gilbert and foster worked very well together.

some people just have their bias.

TD386Steel
04-05-2012, 10:47 PM
If Lekursky is going to play I would rather he play center, where he can call blocking assignments, and have Pouncey and his quick feet at guard.

That's a great idea, never thought of that. Supposedly the draft has alot of talent at guard this year. How about moving up in second to take Kevin Zeitler (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=5531484&yr=2012) put him at RG Legursky at center and Pouncey at LG pulling... oh baby!!!

steelblood
04-06-2012, 09:24 AM
the right side was hardly the problem last year.

gilbert and foster worked very well together.

some people just have their bias.

I agree with Mr. Spaghetti. Foster and Gilbert had several very good games (especially run blocking).

flippy
04-06-2012, 01:24 PM
If Lekursky is going to play I would rather he play center, where he can call blocking assignments, and have Pouncey and his quick feet at guard.

I'm all for this and have been wishing we'd go this way. I think we'd be solid with the 5 guys we've got if we put Bronko @ C. But no one seems to want to move Pouncey over to G for some reason.

I think we'd be solid with Gilbert, Pouncey, Legs, Foster, and Colon. And the first lineman I'd draft would be someone who could play RT or LT.

steelz09
04-06-2012, 02:27 PM
Per multiple reports on twitter.

Apparently, he found no takers in RFA.

Imagine that :) Only the Steelers think their guards are worth more than a steamy pile of dog....

Shawn
04-06-2012, 02:31 PM
Neither Foster or the gursky should be starting on this OL barring injury.

As for Zeitler, IMO he would start day 1.

aggiebones
04-06-2012, 03:22 PM
I find it sad that we are having to fight between Legurgitation and Foster. Both are fine BACKUPS! Nothing more. Great finds by the Steelers scouts as BACKUPS!
Can we please find someone to start ahead of them.

squidkid
04-06-2012, 04:02 PM
I find it sad that we are having to fight between Legurgitation and Foster. Both are fine BACKUPS! Nothing more. Great finds by the Steelers scouts as BACKUPS!
Can we please find someone to start ahead of them.

Exactly. Kinda like deciding which one of the 250#ers is the hottest at closing time

Shoe
04-08-2012, 12:02 PM
legursky stinks.

I don't get the manlove around here for him.

I agree, but I don't want to be so harsh on the guy. He's a total overachiever, and I think that's why people overrate him here so much. I do believe you want guys like that on your team... as backups. He is not even a "good" starter, and I personally doubt he can ever be. He is "serviceable" for stretches at a time, especially in our scheme.

As Foster goes, one could argue that he is the most consistent lineman we have. THE most consistent. That being said, he'll probably always be one of those guys who you are looking to replace.

steelblood
04-08-2012, 01:27 PM
guard may be easier to upgrade, but tackle is the more important position and our tackles are far from sure things. Gilbert struggled mightily against MArio Williams and Robert Mathis. I believe he may have a long season at LT facing elite talent every week. I like Gilbert and believe he can develop, but (at best) he is only a decent athlete and technician for the position. Colon hasn't been able to stay healthy and J Scott had an awful start to last season at LT. It will be hard to find a decent tackle after pick 50 or so. If we want a tackle that can help this season or next, we will likely need to draft him early.

birtikidis
04-08-2012, 01:36 PM
Moving pounced to guard would have been like leaving Dawson at guard.. Or moving him back. There's a reason you have a guy like pounced at center.

birtikidis
04-08-2012, 01:36 PM
Pouncey! Damn iPad and its autocorrect!

RuthlessBurgher
04-08-2012, 07:38 PM
guard may be easier to upgrade, but tackle is the more important position and our tackles are far from sure things. Gilbert struggled mightily against MArio Williams and Robert Mathis. I believe he may have a long season at LT facing elite talent every week. I like Gilbert and believe he can develop, but (at best) he is only a decent athlete and technician for the position. Colon hasn't been able to stay healthy and J Scott had an awful start to last season at LT. It will be hard to find a decent tackle after pick 50 or so. If we want a tackle that can help this season or next, we will likely need to draft him early.

Of course, Williams and Mathis are two of the elite pass rushers in today's NFL.

Mathis only started 1 game in his first 3 seasons combined, but still had 3.5, 10.5, and 11.5 sacks as a part-time situational player. Then, once he became a starter, he had 9.5, 7, 11.5, 9.5, 11, and 9.5 sacks in his next 6 seasons in the league (that's 83.5 sacks in 9 NFL seasons).

Williams had 4.5, 14, 12, 9, and 8.5 sacks in his first 5 seasons in the league, then had 5 sacks in his first 5 games last season before going in injured reserve (that's 53 sacks in 6 NFL seasons).

Those guys give everyone fits, not just Gilbert. If Gilbert is our LT next year, he will face elite pass rushers more often than at right tackle, but aren't many DE's in this league who are better than Mathis and Williams.

fordfixer
04-08-2012, 11:44 PM
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steelblood
04-09-2012, 01:23 AM
Of course, Williams and Mathis are two of the elite pass rushers in today's NFL.

Mathis only started 1 game in his first 3 seasons combined, but still had 3.5, 10.5, and 11.5 sacks as a part-time situational player. Then, once he became a starter, he had 9.5, 7, 11.5, 9.5, 11, and 9.5 sacks in his next 6 seasons in the league (that's 83.5 sacks in 9 NFL seasons).

Williams had 4.5, 14, 12, 9, and 8.5 sacks in his first 5 seasons in the league, then had 5 sacks in his first 5 games last season before going in injured reserve (that's 53 sacks in 6 NFL seasons).

Those guys give everyone fits, not just Gilbert. If Gilbert is our LT next year, he will face elite pass rushers more often than at right tackle, but aren't many DE's in this league who are better than Mathis and Williams.

Mario Williams and Robert Mathis are great pass rushers. Here are some other pass rushers and their sack totals from last season...

DeMarcus Ware 19.5 sacks
Jason Babin 18.0 or Trent Cole 11.0 sacks
Jason Pierre-Paul 16.5 or Osi Umenyiora 9 sacks (and Usi only played in 7 games)
Terrell Suggs 14.0 sacks
Tamba Hali 12.0 sacks
Antwan Barnes 11.0 sacks
Jabaal Sheard 8.5 sacks
Kamerion Wimbley 7.0 sacks
Von Miller Denver 11.5 sacks
Brian Orakpo 9.0 sacks

These are pass rushers the Steelers will face next season (some of them twice).

I've been a Marcus Gilbert supporter on this board since I saw him do some very nice things against Trent Cole in the preseason last year. I loved his effort (especially in the run game) in several regular season contests. But, the fact remains that he generally struggled with good pass rushers. Most weeks next season he will face strong pass rushers. I'm not panicked, but along with Colon's injury history, it does leave quite a large question mark at OT.

Crash
04-09-2012, 02:03 AM
Moving pounced to guard would have been like leaving Dawson at guard.. Or moving him back. There's a reason you have a guy like pounced at center.

In this era of the NFL? Guard play is VITAL.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-09-2012, 04:03 AM
guard may be easier to upgrade, but tackle is the more important position and our tackles are far from sure things. Gilbert struggled mightily against MArio Williams and Robert Mathis. I believe he may have a long season at LT facing elite talent every week. I like Gilbert and believe he can develop, but (at best) he is only a decent athlete and technician for the position. Colon hasn't been able to stay healthy and J Scott had an awful start to last season at LT. It will be hard to find a decent tackle after pick 50 or so. If we want a tackle that can help this season or next, we will likely need to draft him early.

Gilbert was a rook last year with no introductory TC thanks to the labor situation. This summer, with a full schedule of OTAs and a full TC, he should improve nicely. Honestly, it was a wonder that any rooks got much playing time last season.

steelblood
04-09-2012, 08:27 AM
Gilbert was a rook last year with no introductory TC thanks to the labor situation. This summer, with a full schedule of OTAs and a full TC, he should improve nicely. Honestly, it was a wonder that any rooks got much playing time last season.

That should held help. But, LT is often quite difficult and he won't have Heath to help him as much. I believe he can do it (though it likely will be a rough start to the season). But with Jon Scott as the backup plan for both Gilbert and the fragile Willie Colon, it does not inspire confidence.

The Steelers sure seem to be putting some effort into looking at tackles. They may even be toying with the idea of taking Mike Adams (who doesn't even seem like a Steeler type).

Oviedo
04-09-2012, 10:22 AM
Neither Foster or the gursky should be starting on this OL barring injury.

As for Zeitler, IMO he would start day 1.

:Agree It amazes me how there are so many defenders of our Guards. Did anyone watch our terrible short yardage performance last year? Absolutely no push up the middle and it isn't because of no FB. It is because our Guards consistently get beat one on one whether it be Kemo, Legursky or Foster.

We also get pressure up the middle in the passing game because our Guards can't sustain their blocks.

We have to improve at both Guard positions or we won't be any better under Haley than we were under Arians. Except for Center we could be better at every position on the OL but Guard needs immediate improvement soonest.

grotonsteel
04-09-2012, 10:39 AM
Steelers O-Line is atrocious. No one in NFL wants Steelers O-linemen.

Apart from OG, I am also worried about OT position. Gilbert is an unknown at LT. I like him at RT. Colon has not played for 2 years. And backup OT is J Scott.Max Starks is injured and most likely won't be ready to play next year.

Steelers have to draft O-line early in the draft since they are not signing any FA.

Eddie Spaghetti
04-09-2012, 10:48 AM
I haven't seen anyone saying we can't improve at OG, but at what cost? Last year we were told that drafting a guard in the 1st round was foolish, and now this year, its a great idea.

personally I believe the bigger issue is at LG and would love brooks for that spot and would spend our 2nd to get him. I have been on record that I believe Foster is fine at RG. Other places and things I read say the same, but here he has a few very vocal critics. Could Foster be upgraded? Sure he could, but at what cost again? OG is not the only hole on this team. Some seem to want probowlers and high draft picks at every position and that is just not possible in the salary cap NFL.

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04-09-2012, 10:59 AM
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Oviedo
04-09-2012, 11:11 AM
I haven't seen anyone saying we can't improve at OG, but at what cost? Last year we were told that drafting a guard in the 1st round was foolish, and now this year, its a great idea.

personally I believe the bigger issue is at LG and would love brooks for that spot and would spend our 2nd to get him. I have been on record that I believe Foster is fine at RG. Other places and things I read say the same, but here he has a few very vocal critics. Could Foster be upgraded? Sure he could, but at what cost again? OG is not the only hole on this team. Some seem to want probowlers and high draft picks at every position and that is just not possible in the salary cap NFL.


I would agree that LG is the most immediate priority to replace, but we can continue to disagree about Foster. He is serviceable at best but many of the failures in short yardage were as much him failing to move his man as Kemo or Legursky.

There is a reason that no one signed Foster or Legursky as a RFA even though they would have essentially not had to give up any compensation in return. They just aren't that good. We have just become so numb to bad OL play we accept what they do.

grotonsteel
04-09-2012, 11:15 AM
I haven't seen anyone saying we can't improve at OG, but at what cost? Last year we were told that drafting a guard in the 1st round was foolish, and now this year, its a great idea.

personally I believe the bigger issue is at LG and would love brooks for that spot and would spend our 2nd to get him. I have been on record that I believe Foster is fine at RG. Other places and things I read say the same, but here he has a few very vocal critics. Could Foster be upgraded? Sure he could, but at what cost again? OG is not the only hole on this team. Some seem to want probowlers and high draft picks at every position and that is just not possible in the salary cap NFL.

I don't think anyone is saying draft a RG in Rd 1. LG is a priority and the way Steelers are looking at OT, i think Steelers might draft another OT in early rounds (rd1-rd2) of the draft and if he can play then they will most likely slide Colon to RG position.

Right now O-line is a mess. Steelers have a LT who has never played a game at LT. There is no LG. Steelers have a RT who has played 2Q in past 2 years.Steelers don't have anyone to protect the blind side of their 100 million dollar investment.

RuthlessBurgher
04-09-2012, 12:06 PM
I would agree that LG is the most immediate priority to replace, but we can continue to disagree about Foster. He is serviceable at best but many of the failures in short yardage were as much him failing to move his man as Kemo or Legursky.

There is a reason that no one signed Foster or Legursky as a RFA even though they would have essentially not had to give up any compensation in return. They just aren't that good. We have just become so numb to bad OL play we accept what they do.

Even though we would not have owed another team any compensation if they signed Foster or Legursky as RFA's, we still had the option to match those contracts to keep them. So, basically, another team would be doing our negotiating for us, and we'd end up keeping the player anyway (unless it was cost-prohibitive, of course, but then again who is going to give a big money deal to Foster or Legursky that we wouldn't be able to match?)

birtikidis
04-09-2012, 12:16 PM
In this era of the NFL? Guard play is VITAL.

Center > Guard. See Sean Mahan
after we lost Hartings our guards haven't looked good.

birtikidis
04-09-2012, 12:22 PM
I do feel that we need a LG terribly. No offense to Bronc, but really, he's not a LG. I have no problem with Foster... though I personally believe he should be our starting RT and Colon should have been shipped out a while ago.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-09-2012, 03:51 PM
That should held help. But, LT is often quite difficult and he won't have Heath to help him as much. I believe he can do it (though it likely will be a rough start to the season). But with Jon Scott as the backup plan for both Gilbert and the fragile Willie Colon, it does not inspire confidence.

The Steelers sure seem to be putting some effort into looking at tackles. They may even be toying with the idea of taking Mike Adams (who doesn't even seem like a Steeler type).

I agree. I have more faith in Gilbert learning and putting in a full season at LT than I do in Colon returning and playing RT. We definitely need a lot of help at both guard and tackle.

steeler_fan_in_t.o.
04-09-2012, 03:57 PM
I don't think anyone is saying draft a RG in Rd 1. LG is a priority and the way Steelers are looking at OT, i think Steelers might draft another OT in early rounds (rd1-rd2) of the draft and if he can play then they will most likely slide Colon to RG position.

Right now O-line is a mess. Steelers have a LT who has never played a game at LT. There is no LG. Steelers have a RT who has played 2Q in past 2 years.Steelers don't have anyone to protect the blind side of their 100 million dollar investment.

To me it isn't so much about RG or LG as it is about getting an NFL caliber starter on the field. Legursky = backup. Foster = backup. If Zeitler, Glenn, Decastro, Osemele, or whoever we get is a starter then we put one more starter into a starting position.

grotonsteel
04-09-2012, 06:18 PM
To me it isn't so much about RG or LG as it is about getting an NFL caliber starter on the field. Legursky = backup. Foster = backup. If Zeitler, Glenn, Decastro, Osemele, or whoever we get is a starter then we put one more starter into a starting position.

NFL Caliber Starter is the key. Currently we have 2 backup OG playing as starter on O-line. I think Colon can be moved to RG if Steelers can find a RT in this draft.

Gilbert-Brooks-Pouncey-Colon-Glenn would be my O-line in 2012.

fordfixer
04-09-2012, 07:55 PM
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