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steelz09
03-22-2012, 12:19 PM
Could it be? Brady just restructured his contact and freed up an additional 7 mil.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7721922/tom-brady-restructures-deal-creates-cap-room-new-england-patriots-source-says

I know it's unlikely because of their other signings but you never know... It is the Pats*

BigRob
03-22-2012, 01:22 PM
This was my thought exactly. Why else do it? They are not strapped for cap space. Who else is out there they might want to sign?

SteelBucks
03-22-2012, 01:57 PM
Wallace isn't going anywhere.

costanza2k1
03-22-2012, 02:04 PM
I don't think so, the Cheators like to stockpile picks (they actually suck at drafting so this is a better option for them)

Oviedo
03-22-2012, 02:09 PM
Wallace isn't going anywhere.

I agree and Peyton Manning will always be a Colt! Ahhh..wait a second.........

squidkid
03-22-2012, 03:01 PM
please let this happen

RuthlessBurgher
03-22-2012, 05:57 PM
They franchised Welker, signed Brandon Lloyd, and today, brought back Deion Branch as well (not to mention those 2 TE's that never leave the field and catch a ton of passes).

I think if they were going to go after an RFA, they might consider Lardarius Webb from the Ravens, since New England's secondary sucks.

Or maybe, since the Law Firm signed with Cincy, perhaps they want to trade for a RB...after Carolina signed Mike Tolbert, they are unlikely to keep both DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart...one of them should be traded before the draft (and NE certainly has plenty of picks as ammo).

Or maybe, after losing pass-rushing specialist Mark Anderson to free agency, perhaps they want to make a big splash for a pass-rusher...Dwight Freeney makes a ton of money in Indy (which is going through a youth movement), and he may not fit well in Pagano's conversion from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Freeney may be on the block and a potential target.

Just because New England is freeing up cap room doesn't automatically mean that they will be making a run at Wallace (since they have plenty of passing targets for Brady already but are weak in numerous other spots that I just mentioned).

steelblood
03-22-2012, 06:16 PM
I agree with Ruthless. New England is not going after Wallace. I think Denver and Cincinnati are the only real possibilities at this point. Both are unlikely, but I believe both will weigh the option in the next week or two. Cincinnati could be waiting until Wallace has no other suitors. That is usually their M.O. They like to wait out the market and then see if they can get a relative bargain. After no one jumps at Wallace's demand for Fitz-like money, maybe Cincy will call his agent to see if the price has come down to DeSean Jackson type money. If so, they MAY consider it. It would certainly weaken a division foe. And they have PLENTY of cap space.

Sugar
03-22-2012, 06:25 PM
I think I will laugh if NOBODY goes after Wallace. Not because I really thought anyone would, but just because of all the talk of it.

pfelix73
03-23-2012, 09:44 AM
I agree with Ruthless. New England is not going after Wallace. I think Denver and Cincinnati are the only real possibilities at this point. Both are unlikely, but I believe both will weigh the option in the next week or two. Cincinnati could be waiting until Wallace has no other suitors. That is usually their M.O. They like to wait out the market and then see if they can get a relative bargain. After no one jumps at Wallace's demand for Fitz-like money, maybe Cincy will call his agent to see if the price has come down to DeSean Jackson type money. If so, they MAY consider it. It would certainly weaken a division foe. And they have PLENTY of cap space.


Well, this scenario would be great then. Cincy offers a contract similar to Jackson's and all we have to do is match it! They did all the dirty work. Thanks again, Cincy.. You guys are so nice..Lose in the playoffs to us, etc...Such a doormat..:D

SteelAddicted
03-23-2012, 09:58 AM
Well, that wouldn't be a good thing. I think Wallace is a good WR, not great. He is very important to the success of A. Brown though. We need Wallace to take the top off of the defense. Sanders and Brown have field days underneath when Wallace is getting deep. I'm not sure about paying Wallace big money though, I'm just not sold on how much of a complete WR he is. I know he's a serious weapon, but... just wish he was a little bit more like a true #1 C. Johnson, L. Fitzgerald etc...

feltdizz
03-23-2012, 10:02 AM
I think I will laugh if NOBODY goes after Wallace. Not because I really thought anyone would, but just because of all the talk of it.

Last offseason it was the younger Pouncey coming to the Steelers...

we even debated if Pouncey would leave the Steelers if we didn't draft his brother.

aggiebones
03-23-2012, 12:47 PM
"They like to wait out the market and then see if they can get a relative bargain."

This doesn't work. If Cincy tries to do this, we'll just match and they'll have done the negotiating.

Frankly, I believe the Steelers and Wallace HAVE a reasonable deal negotiated...already. But Wallace is going to see if he can get ridiculous money frmo someone, Fitz money. If this happens, the Steelers would step out of his way and he'd have a huge payday. But Wallace will not agree to the Bengals offering of some meager price increase. He'll just sign the Steelers offer. But he'd be a fool not to see if someone was stupid desperate for him.
So stop hammering on him and wait this out. He'll be back unless someone comes over the top with a silly offer. And I doubt seriously that will happen. And definitely rule out the Bengals...they won't pay him anywhere near what's needed for him to leave Da Burgh.

SteelBucks
03-23-2012, 01:03 PM
Frankly, I believe the Steelers and Wallace HAVE a reasonable deal negotiated...already.

The latest I read last night was Wallace isn't asking the Steelers for Fitzgerald money but they are still far apart money wise. Worst case, Wallace signs the tender.

Sugar
03-23-2012, 01:05 PM
Last offseason it was the younger Pouncey coming to the Steelers...

we even debated if Pouncey would leave the Steelers if we didn't draft his brother. Ah, yes, I remember the stupidity of that conversation too. 'Tis the season, I guess.

steelblood
03-23-2012, 01:07 PM
"They like to wait out the market and then see if they can get a relative bargain."

This doesn't work. If Cincy tries to do this, we'll just match and they'll have done the negotiating.

Frankly, I believe the Steelers and Wallace HAVE a reasonable deal negotiated...already. But Wallace is going to see if he can get ridiculous money frmo someone, Fitz money. If this happens, the Steelers would step out of his way and he'd have a huge payday. But Wallace will not agree to the Bengals offering of some meager price increase. He'll just sign the Steelers offer. But he'd be a fool not to see if someone was stupid desperate for him.
So stop hammering on him and wait this out. He'll be back unless someone comes over the top with a silly offer. And I doubt seriously that will happen. And definitely rule out the Bengals...they won't pay him anywhere near what's needed for him to leave Da Burgh.

Not if they front load the contract. They can work 15-17 million into this season. We wouldn't be able to match. The Bengals would like to stick it to the Steelers and fill up their stadium. This would be a public relations coup for them.

It probably won't happen, but it certainly is possible. This is a team that waits out the market so they don't have to pay top dollar. But, that doesn't mean they won't offer more up front and more guaranteed than we will.

aggiebones
03-23-2012, 02:15 PM
This is what you are missing.
Wallace does not 'really' want to play for the Bengals. He has to SIGN the offer they make. So if the money is essentially the same, he won't budge. Regardless of whether its front loaded.
And you say 15-17M THIS season. That's just not logical. For one, they have Green. He's not subordinate to anyone. Wallace would be the second best WR there. That money doesn't happen to a number 2 or frankly Wallace. And the Steelers can match a sturdy offer from the Bengals...even front loaded, just not all on this deal. And Wallace doesn't want to leave, just to leave. He's not going to sign the Bengals offer unless its silly good. In which case I wish him luck and take the money. A similar deal uncomfortably front loaded, just so the Steelers can't match, he won't sign.
He's here unless he gets silly offer from desperate team. Bengals are too cheap for that move.

steelblood
03-23-2012, 02:44 PM
This is what you are missing.
Wallace does not 'really' want to play for the Bengals. He has to SIGN the offer they make. So if the money is essentially the same, he won't budge. Regardless of whether its front loaded.
And you say 15-17M THIS season. That's just not logical. For one, they have Green. He's not subordinate to anyone. Wallace would be the second best WR there. That money doesn't happen to a number 2 or frankly Wallace. And the Steelers can match a sturdy offer from the Bengals...even front loaded, just not all on this deal. And Wallace doesn't want to leave, just to leave. He's not going to sign the Bengals offer unless its silly good. In which case I wish him luck and take the money. A similar deal uncomfortably front loaded, just so the Steelers can't match, he won't sign.
He's here unless he gets silly offer from desperate team. Bengals are too cheap for that move.

How in the world do you know that he doesn't want to play for Cincinnati? Many players just want money now or financial security. Why would Green Bay's center sign with St. Louis? Why would Benjarvus Green-Ellis (who is a decent guy and an unselfish player) sign with Cincinnati and leave New England? Even if the contracts are the same overall amount, but Cincy offers more up front and guaranteed money, Wallace may choose to sign such an offer.

15 million this season is quite possible and even logical. Vincent Jackson is making 26 million in the first two years of his new contract. Making 2012's payout high is exactly how a team will be sure the Steelers don't match and would entice Wallace. It would also allow the Bengals to retain more talent in future years (like retaining Green when his contract is up). Deals can be front loaded at any time. The deal may only average out to 10 million per season, but the guaranteed money and first year's salary can lead to that sort of payout. The Bengals still have like 30-some million in cap space.

RuthlessBurgher
03-23-2012, 03:11 PM
Next year, teams have to spend up to within 90% of the cap. This year, they don't. If Mike Brown were forced to spend the money, then I could see this happening. But this year, he's not. Why would he front-load all of that money in 2012, when he isn't required to be close to the cap ceiling until 2013? You can always trust Mike Brown to do the bare minimum. Maybe next year when Wallace has the franchise tag, then they'll offer him a huge deal to get close to the cap ceiling, and will owe us two 1st round picks. ;)

:bungalssuck

squidkid
03-23-2012, 03:16 PM
How in the world do you know that he doesn't want to play for Cincinnati? Many players just want money now or financial security. Why would Green Bay's center sign with St. Louis? Why would Benjarvus Green-Ellis (who is a decent guy and an unselfish player) sign with Cincinnati and leave New England? Even if the contracts are the same overall amount, but Cincy offers more up front and guaranteed money, Wallace may choose to sign such an offer.

15 million this season is quite possible and even logical. Vincent Jackson is making 26 million in the first two years of his new contract. Making 2012's payout high is exactly how a team will be sure the Steelers don't match and would entice Wallace. It would also allow the Bengals to retain more talent in future years (like retaining Green when his contract is up). Deals can be front loaded at any time. The deal may only average out to 10 million per season, but the guaranteed money and first year's salary can lead to that sort of payout. The Bengals still have like 30-some million in cap space.

the guy calls himself "YOUNG MONEY" for a reason.

Crash
03-23-2012, 03:18 PM
Brown, Sanders, and Wallace are Young Money. As a group.

steelersflow
03-24-2012, 02:56 PM
I hope they don't get him. They just picked up Lloyd though so that might cover them. Wallace makes them more versatile and scary as hell.

eniparadoxgma
03-24-2012, 07:33 PM
You might want to put a question mark after the thread title. The way it's currently written makes it seem like it's a fact IMO.

RuthlessBurgher
03-24-2012, 11:39 PM
You might want to put a question mark after the thread title. The way it's currently written makes it seem like it's a fact IMO.

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