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Dee Dub
03-13-2012, 01:52 PM
•Restricted free agents will stay restricted.

We spent a lot of time talking about the possibility of a restricted free agent getting plundered, particularlyPittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) WR Mike Wallace. Don't think it'll happen, though. The Baltimore Ravens (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) have decided against it, and it would be tough cap-wise for the New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) to pull off the kind of offer sheet necessary. The Bengals have other needs. San Francisco would be the team I'd fear most if I was in Pittsburgh's front office between now and the April 20 deadline to sign a restricted free agent, but the Niners just signed Randy Moss as a vertical threat. When push comes to shove, I suspect the Steelers are OK. The history of restricted free agency would indicate not much action, and even though the first-and-third tender no longer exists, I predict it'll remain a quiet market.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8279010b/article/ten-quick-thoughts-as-league-year-kicks-off-with-free-agency?module=HP11_cp

Like I have been saying all along, the tender was a great move for the Steelers. You get an elite receiver for a very low cost for 2012. Let 2013 take care of 2013 when it comes. No need for a long term contract now. And no other team was going to pay him top dollar when they had to give up a first pick as well. Great job Steelers.

:tt2

Dee Dub
03-13-2012, 01:57 PM
Man, posting on this site has gotten difficult. Can't even see what I posted. :HeadBanger

hawaiiansteel
03-13-2012, 02:33 PM
Man, posting on this site has gotten difficult. Can't even see what I posted. :HeadBanger


:Agree I have been having problems also.

BigRob
03-13-2012, 02:34 PM
•Restricted free agents will stay restricted.

We spent a lot of time talking about the possibility of a restricted free agent getting plundered, particularlyPittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) WR Mike Wallace. Don't think it'll happen, though. The Baltimore Ravens (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) have decided against it, and it would be tough cap-wise for the New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) to pull off the kind of offer sheet necessary. The Bengals have other needs. San Francisco would be the team I'd fear most if I was in Pittsburgh's front office between now and the April 20 deadline to sign a restricted free agent, but the Niners just signed Randy Moss as a vertical threat. When push comes to shove, I suspect the Steelers are OK. The history of restricted free agency would indicate not much action, and even though the first-and-third tender no longer exists, I predict it'll remain a quiet market.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8279010b/article/ten-quick-thoughts-as-league-year-kicks-off-with-free-agency?module=HP11_cp

Like I have been saying all along, the tender was a great move for the Steelers. You get an elite receiver for a very low cost for 2012. Let 2013 take care of 2013 when it comes. No need for a long term contract now. And no other team was going to pay him top dollar when they had to give up a first pick as well. Great job Steelers.

:tt2



New England has 17.8 in cap space. They could easily do it. Question is how much they value the 31st pick versus picking up Wallace. They are the only team at this point I see doing this. Of course, I could also see them going after Ladarius Webb.

TD386Steel
03-13-2012, 02:43 PM
I dont think so either, we should have heard about curtain team interest by now.

Slapstick
03-13-2012, 02:58 PM
I think that if the Patriots were interested in a WR, it would most likely be Brandon Lloyd...yes, he'll be 31 this year, but he is still playing very well...the Patriots have no problem with picking up older veterans who want to compete for a championship...furthermore, he is very familiar with OC Josh McDaniels and that particular offense...

Lebsteel
03-13-2012, 03:10 PM
Typed a nice long post and all I got was PlanetSteelers is NOT RESPONDING....oh, well. The short of my post was I hope some team bites, but why should they, REALLY? They saw the same thing we did over his last eight games and there are enough pouty, head-case WRs out there...so why trade a 1st Rd. pick for another one.

RuthlessBurgher
03-13-2012, 03:32 PM
Typed a nice long post and all I got was PlanetSteelers is NOT RESPONDING....oh, well. The short of my post was I hope some team bites, but why should they, REALLY? They saw the same thing we did over his last eight games and there are enough pouty, head-case WRs out there...so why trade a 1st Rd. pick for another one.

I have seen nothing from Mike Wallace to suggest that he is a pouty, head-case WR.

Lebsteel
03-13-2012, 04:32 PM
I have seen nothing from Mike Wallace to suggest that he is a pouty, head-case WR.
Again...long response and then PLANET STEELERS NOT RESPONDING....

Crash
03-13-2012, 04:56 PM
So start using wordpad to type and then cut and paste. I had that problem a day ago but now it's fixed here.

Eddie Spaghetti
03-13-2012, 04:58 PM
I'm just happy I was finally able to log in.

D Rock
03-13-2012, 05:30 PM
So start using wordpad to type and then cut and paste. I had that problem a day ago but now it's fixed here.


or just right click and copy your text before submitting all within this site

Lebsteel
03-13-2012, 08:35 PM
I have seen nothing from Mike Wallace to suggest that he is a pouty, head-case WR.
What? How about that old hair cut he used to have? If that is not a head case...oh, sorry Ruthless, maybe you wear the same 'do? :D

His lack of production during the second half and what I perceived as less than stellar effort at times was very disappointing. I want more, much more out of a player that is probably expecting $8mil plus per year.

RuthlessBurgher
03-14-2012, 10:06 AM
What? How about that old hair cut he used to have? If that is not a head case...oh, sorry Ruthless, maybe you wear the same 'do? :D

His lack of production during the second half and what I perceived as less than stellar effort at times was very disappointing. I want more, much more out of a player that is probably expecting $8mil plus per year.

Perhaps he is a big fan of Tintin? :lol:

http://youthrowlikeagirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Wallace3.jpghttp://digthatbox.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Movies/Tintin_movie_flying.jpg

NottinghamForest_UK
03-14-2012, 10:12 AM
What? How about that old hair cut he used to have? If that is not a head case...oh, sorry Ruthless, maybe you wear the same 'do? :D

His lack of production during the second half and what I perceived as less than stellar effort at times was very disappointing. I want more, much more out of a player that is probably expecting $8mil plus per year.

WTF!!!! I've the same hair cut ..... and I'm no head case, Urm .... I don't think :)

steelz09
03-14-2012, 10:16 AM
If your copying and pasting from another site, make sure you use the "Copy as Plain Text" option. It's the button to the left of the bold, "B" button.

hawaiiansteel
03-15-2012, 01:37 AM
Chances Are Slim-to-None That Pro Bowl Wide Receiver Mike Wallace Will Leave the Pittsburgh Steelers

by Clyde A. Speller (http://www.rantsports.com/blog/author/clydespeller/)

http://rantsports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/pittsburgh-steelers/files/2012/03/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Mike-Wallace31.jpgSteve Mitche
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.rantsports.com/pittsburgh-steelers/) put a tender on wide receiver Mike Wallace on Monday. According to Gerry Dulac of thePittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Steelers will pay Wallace $2.7 million in 2012 and will have the chance to match any offer given to the restricted free agent. If Pittsburgh decides not to match an offer, they will get a first-round draft pick in return.

Dulac also stated that negotiations have taken place between the Steelers’ front office and Wallace’s agent, Buss Cook.

On March 6th, General Manager Kevin Colbert told www.steelers.com (http://www.steelers.com/) that keeping the Pro Bowl receiver in the Steel City is definitely in the franchise’s plan.

“We want Mike to finish his career here,” said Colbert. “That will factor into our decision. You have the same right of first refusal on any offer he gets. If he was franchised, you would have to account for a significantly higher amount under your cap, which means we would have had to cut more players. You have to weigh that against the chances you’re going to have to match whatever kind of offer he gets.”

Jason La Canfora blogged on www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/) that the Steelers are just $1.8 million under the salary cap. Pittsburgh has released six players and restructured a number of contracts this offseason to make cap room.

This gives Colbert and team President Art Rooney II very little room to match an offer given by another team, but I don’t think that the Steelers should worry about Wallace being taken from them.

Earlier in the offseason, Wallace hinted to the media that he would be open to playing with the New England Patriots (http://www.rantsports.com/new-england-patriots/) and the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.rantsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/). Well, the chances of either one of those teams wooing Wallace are slim-to-none.

Although the Patriots could use Wallace’s speed to stretch the field, it would be too far of a stretch to make an offer with the limited cap room that they have. As for the Niners, they just signed veteran receiver Randy Moss (http://www.rantsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/2012/03/12/san-francisco-49ers-sign-wr-randy-moss-to-1-year-deal/), which gives them the deep threat that they need to complement receiver Michael Crabtree and tight end Vernon Davis.

Colbert, Rooney, and head coach Mike Tomlin will be hoping a praying that Wallace won’t be on the radar of any other NFL team this offseason. With very little wiggle room cap-wise, and still needing
money (http://www.rantsports.com/pittsburgh-steelers/2012/03/14/chances-are-slim-to-none-that-pro-bowl-wide-receiver-mike-wallace-will-leave-the-pittsburgh-steelers/#)
to pay rookies from the incoming 2012 NFL Draft, the Steelers definitely need to make some more cuts and restructure some more contracts in order to keep this boat afloat. But I will say that it was smart to tender Wallace. In the event that he does leave Pittsburgh, that first-round pick could be used to find another deep threat in the draft.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/chances_are_slim_to_none_that_pro_bowl_wide_receiv er_mike_wallace_will_leave_the_pittsburgh_steelers/10309012

steelblood
03-15-2012, 08:11 AM
Chances Are Slim-to-None That Pro Bowl Wide Receiver Mike Wallace Will Leave the Pittsburgh Steelers

by Clyde A. Speller (http://www.rantsports.com/blog/author/clydespeller/)

http://rantsports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/pittsburgh-steelers/files/2012/03/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Mike-Wallace31.jpgSteve Mitche
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.rantsports.com/pittsburgh-steelers/) put a tender on wide receiver Mike Wallace on Monday. According to Gerry Dulac of thePittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Steelers will pay Wallace $2.7 million in 2012 and will have the chance to match any offer given to the restricted free agent. If Pittsburgh decides not to match an offer, they will get a first-round draft pick in return.

Dulac also stated that negotiations have taken place between the Steelers’ front office and Wallace’s agent, Buss Cook.

On March 6th, General Manager Kevin Colbert told www.steelers.com (http://www.steelers.com/) that keeping the Pro Bowl receiver in the Steel City is definitely in the franchise’s plan.

“We want Mike to finish his career here,” said Colbert. “That will factor into our decision. You have the same right of first refusal on any offer he gets. If he was franchised, you would have to account for a significantly higher amount under your cap, which means we would have had to cut more players. You have to weigh that against the chances you’re going to have to match whatever kind of offer he gets.”

Jason La Canfora blogged on www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/) that the Steelers are just $1.8 million under the salary cap. Pittsburgh has released six players and restructured a number of contracts this offseason to make cap room.

This gives Colbert and team President Art Rooney II very little room to match an offer given by another team, but I don’t think that the Steelers should worry about Wallace being taken from them.

Earlier in the offseason, Wallace hinted to the media that he would be open to playing with the New England Patriots (http://www.rantsports.com/new-england-patriots/) and the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.rantsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/). Well, the chances of either one of those teams wooing Wallace are slim-to-none.

Although the Patriots could use Wallace’s speed to stretch the field, it would be too far of a stretch to make an offer with the limited cap room that they have. As for the Niners, they just signed veteran receiver Randy Moss (http://www.rantsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/2012/03/12/san-francisco-49ers-sign-wr-randy-moss-to-1-year-deal/), which gives them the deep threat that they need to complement receiver Michael Crabtree and tight end Vernon Davis.

Colbert, Rooney, and head coach Mike Tomlin will be hoping a praying that Wallace won’t be on the radar of any other NFL team this offseason. With very little wiggle room cap-wise, and still needing
money (http://www.rantsports.com/pittsburgh-steelers/2012/03/14/chances-are-slim-to-none-that-pro-bowl-wide-receiver-mike-wallace-will-leave-the-pittsburgh-steelers/#)
to pay rookies from the incoming 2012 NFL Draft, the Steelers definitely need to make some more cuts and restructure some more contracts in order to keep this boat afloat. But I will say that it was smart to tender Wallace. In the event that he does leave Pittsburgh, that first-round pick could be used to find another deep threat in the draft.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/chances_are_slim_to_none_that_pro_bowl_wide_receiv er_mike_wallace_will_leave_the_pittsburgh_steelers/10309012

Casey could be cut or restructured (it will have to be one). That would give us about 4 million more. We could also cut Will Allen for 1 million more. There is wiggle room left. To say we only have 2 million of space is a bit deceiving. We can open up more money if need be. And quoting Jason La Canfora is always dangerous.

Oviedo
03-15-2012, 08:26 AM
Chances Are Slim-to-None That Pro Bowl Wide Receiver Mike Wallace Will Leave the Pittsburgh Steelers

by Clyde A. Speller (http://www.rantsports.com/blog/author/clydespeller/)

http://rantsports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/pittsburgh-steelers/files/2012/03/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Mike-Wallace31.jpgSteve Mitche
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.rantsports.com/pittsburgh-steelers/) put a tender on wide receiver Mike Wallace on Monday. According to Gerry Dulac of thePittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Steelers will pay Wallace $2.7 million in 2012 and will have the chance to match any offer given to the restricted free agent. If Pittsburgh decides not to match an offer, they will get a first-round draft pick in return.

Dulac also stated that negotiations have taken place between the Steelers’ front office and Wallace’s agent, Buss Cook.

On March 6th, General Manager Kevin Colbert told www.steelers.com (http://www.steelers.com/) that keeping the Pro Bowl receiver in the Steel City is definitely in the franchise’s plan.

“We want Mike to finish his career here,” said Colbert. “That will factor into our decision. You have the same right of first refusal on any offer he gets. If he was franchised, you would have to account for a significantly higher amount under your cap, which means we would have had to cut more players. You have to weigh that against the chances you’re going to have to match whatever kind of offer he gets.”

Jason La Canfora blogged on www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/) that the Steelers are just $1.8 million under the salary cap. Pittsburgh has released six players and restructured a number of contracts this offseason to make cap room.

This gives Colbert and team President Art Rooney II very little room to match an offer given by another team, but I don’t think that the Steelers should worry about Wallace being taken from them.

Earlier in the offseason, Wallace hinted to the media that he would be open to playing with the New England Patriots (http://www.rantsports.com/new-england-patriots/) and the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.rantsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/). Well, the chances of either one of those teams wooing Wallace are slim-to-none.

Although the Patriots could use Wallace’s speed to stretch the field, it would be too far of a stretch to make an offer with the limited cap room that they have. As for the Niners, they just signed veteran receiver Randy Moss (http://www.rantsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/2012/03/12/san-francisco-49ers-sign-wr-randy-moss-to-1-year-deal/), which gives them the deep threat that they need to complement receiver Michael Crabtree and tight end Vernon Davis.

Colbert, Rooney, and head coach Mike Tomlin will be hoping a praying that Wallace won’t be on the radar of any other NFL team this offseason. With very little wiggle room cap-wise, and still needing
money (http://www.rantsports.com/pittsburgh-steelers/2012/03/14/chances-are-slim-to-none-that-pro-bowl-wide-receiver-mike-wallace-will-leave-the-pittsburgh-steelers/#)
to pay rookies from the incoming 2012 NFL Draft, the Steelers definitely need to make some more cuts and restructure some more contracts in order to keep this boat afloat. But I will say that it was smart to tender Wallace. In the event that he does leave Pittsburgh, that first-round pick could be used to find another deep threat in the draft.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/chances_are_slim_to_none_that_pro_bowl_wide_receiv er_mike_wallace_will_leave_the_pittsburgh_steelers/10309012

Retaining Wallace should not be a problem as long as no one grabs him this year since we can franchise him next year (Credit: phillyesq). Our problem is just that we need to get to 2014 and get the huge bump in the cap and roll off some big contracts. If we can retain Wallace until then keeping both Wallace and Brown becomes less problematic.

aggiebones
03-15-2012, 11:49 AM
We've dodged the early bullets, but will someone come calling after striking out in FA?
Noone comes calling early to make a pitch at a guy who requires a big contract AND a no.1 pick.
But they could come calling later as the WRs have FLOWN off the FA board. The draft can't get here soon enough.

When is the last day that someone can give him a contract?

Dee Dub
03-15-2012, 12:20 PM
A couple of points that somehow some dont comprehend.

Mike Wallace is not going anywhere. No team is going to pay the current going rate in free agency as well as give up a first round pick for him. I know some of you want this to happen, but it isnt going to happen.

The Steelers do not need to sign Mike Wallace to a long term contract now. Makes no sense to do so. Let this next year play out and see what happens. If Wallace continues to improve (which he has for 3 straight years), then it's a no-brainer. This is a character check for him. Let's see how motivated he is playing on 2.7 million. The idea of possible free agency and him playing for a big contract should show the Steelers a lot.

The Steelers can always use the franchise tag next year. But only if it is warranted.

Eddie Spaghetti
03-15-2012, 12:29 PM
the longer wallace goes without an offer, the more the steelers leverage grows.

he will not want to play without some security and I am betting the steelers get him at their price.

BigRob
03-15-2012, 12:31 PM
A couple of points that somehow some dont comprehend.

I never said that it was likely or that he would be going somewhere else this year. I just said that the Steelers wouldn't be as broken hearted as it has been made to sound to get a 1st round pick for Wallace. I also said the Steelers will not be signing him and Brown to mega deals.

Dee Dub
03-15-2012, 12:52 PM
I never said that it was likely or that he would be going somewhere else this year. I just said that the Steelers wouldn't be as broken hearted as it has been made to sound to get a 1st round pick for Wallace. I also said the Steelers will not be signing him and Brown to mega deals.

I disagree. The Steelers would not be happy with losing Mike Wallace and getting the 20th to 32 pick in this draft as replacement for him. They would be exchanging proven for unproven. Not a good trade off.

And when have the Steelers ever not resigned players they wanted to keep? If they want both Wallace and Brown they will sign them both. It is what they do. If they want both Wallace and Brown mega deals will be given just as they have given mega deals to Harrison, Woodley, Troy, Ben, etc, etc.

BigRob
03-15-2012, 01:17 PM
I disagree. The Steelers would not be happy with losing Mike Wallace and getting the 20th to 32 pick in this draft as replacement for him. They would be exchanging proven for unproven. Not a good trade off.

And when have the Steelers ever not resigned players they wanted to keep? If they want both Wallace and Brown they will sign them both. It is what they do. If they want both Wallace and Brown mega deals will be given just as they have given mega deals to Harrison, Woodley, Troy, Ben, etc, etc.

When have the Steelers ever had two big money receivers? They have never done this. It isn't how they construct a team. They would rather spend that money on defense or somewhere else. You discount this too easily.

RuthlessBurgher
03-15-2012, 01:22 PM
When is the last day that someone can give him a contract?

Typically, the RFA signing period ends a week before the draft (because then the original team will still have a week to decide whether or not to match, and if they choose not to, then the pick would be transferred to that team just prior to the draft).

RuthlessBurgher
03-15-2012, 01:33 PM
When have the Steelers ever had two big money receivers? They have never done this. It isn't how they construct a team. They would rather spend that money on defense or somewhere else. You discount this too easily.

Well, here are Hines' contracts over the years (not including his rookie deal as a late 3rd rounder in 1998):

4 yr(s) / $8,331,250 for 2001-2004
4 yr(s) / $25,830,000 for 2005-2008
5 yr(s) / $24,850,000 for 2009-2013 (obviously didn't make it to the end of this deal)

During Hines' career, we were also paying pretty good 1st round pick money to Plaxico (#8) and Santonio (#25) before we sent each of them packing prior a second contract.

BigRob
03-15-2012, 01:39 PM
Well, here are Hines' contracts over the years (not including his rookie deal as a late 3rd rounder in 1998):

4 yr(s) / $8,331,250 for 2001-2004
4 yr(s) / $25,830,000 for 2005-2008
5 yr(s) / $24,850,000 for 2009-2013 (obviously didn't make it to the end of this deal)

During Hines' career, we were also paying pretty good 1st round pick money to Plaxico (#8) and Santonio (#25) before we sent each of them packing prior a second contract.

They paid them on draft contracts. They never gave huge post draft deals to two receivers on this team. Never been done. It is outside of their core philosophy. Won't happen this time either. If they choose Wallace or Brown, one or the other is going to be gone eventually. They won't both receive huge 2nd contracts from Steelers.

Crash
03-15-2012, 02:30 PM
Hines was making $2.5 mil a year from 2002-2004 when they also had Plax.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-15-2012, 02:33 PM
They paid them on draft contracts. They never gave huge post draft deals to two receivers on this team. Never been done. It is outside of their core philosophy. Won't happen this time either. If they choose Wallace or Brown, one or the other is going to be gone eventually. They won't both receive huge 2nd contracts from Steelers.

I understand your line of thinking....But when have the Steelers ever had two WRs of this caliber they actually wanted to hold on to? The '01 & '02 Burress would have stuck around. Burress "unplayed" himself out of town in '03 & '04. Santonio Holmes...He smoked his way out. Your argument is true on the position..But the charcter / production had alot to do with it. I think the whole argument is more about how many times have the Steelers left a productive player walk away that they invested a pick in? Then the second part of the equation would be if financially it was possible. I think it comes down to that, not what they have done in the past. They want both...But can they afford it?

Slapstick
03-15-2012, 02:47 PM
They paid them on draft contracts. They never gave huge post draft deals to two receivers on this team. Never been done. It is outside of their core philosophy. Won't happen this time either. If they choose Wallace or Brown, one or the other is going to be gone eventually. They won't both receive huge 2nd contracts from Steelers.

It's a different league now, with more emphasis on passing...

I think the Steelers will adapt...

Dee Dub
03-15-2012, 02:51 PM
I understand your line of thinking....But when have the Steelers ever had two WRs of this caliber they actually wanted to hold on to? The '01 & '02 Burress would have stuck around. Burress "unplayed" himself out of town in '03 & '04. Santonio Holmes...He smoked his way out. Your argument is true on the position..But the charcter / production had alot to do with it. I think the whole argument is more about how many times have the Steelers left a productive player walk away that they invested a pick in? Then the second part of the equation would be if financially it was possible. I think it comes down to that, not what they have done in the past. They want both...But can they afford it?

JPN, great post! You hit the nail right on the head here. You can bet had the Steelers wanted Burress or Holmes they would have kept them and resigned them to long term contracts. The reason those two weren't signed had nothing to do with money.

And the part about.."They want both (Wallace and Brown)..But can they afford it"? Well we have seen that if they want certain players they find a way to make it happen by way of re-structures or cuts elsewhere.

BigRob
03-15-2012, 02:56 PM
They want both...But can they afford it?

This definition isn't what fans think the Steelers can afford, but what the Rooney's think they can afford for the team. People need to remember that the Steelers have a lot of net worth, but they are not nearly as liquid as some of the other teams.

They will not have the outlay in cash that other teams like the Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, etc.. have. That is the other reason why I don't think they will sign two Wide Receiver's to mega deals. Just won't happen. Too much cash outlay and their philosophy won't radically change all of the sudden.

This is of course based on the idea that Wallace and Brown will both command huge contracts.

Crash
03-15-2012, 02:58 PM
The Steelers/Rooney's are LOADED. They can compete with any team in the league. Their lease is also ridiculously in their favor as well.

Eddie Spaghetti
03-15-2012, 03:00 PM
I still am having trouble understanding why brown commands a "huge contract" and a "mega deal".

he had a really nice second half to the season. Some of you guys are really over estimating his value as of this moment.

I see no trouble signing both.

BigRob
03-15-2012, 03:01 PM
That has always been your opinion Crash. This has been discussed by journalist for a long time. They don't have the cash flow in the same vein that Dan Snyder, Stephen Ross, and other true billionaire owner's have for lots of cash outlay.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-15-2012, 03:04 PM
This definition isn't what fans think the Steelers can afford, but what the Rooney's think they can afford for the team. People need to remember that the Steelers have a lot of net worth, but they are not nearly as liquid as some of the other teams.

They will not have the outlay in cash that other teams like the Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, etc.. have. That is the other reason why I don't think they will sign two Wide Receiver's to mega deals. Just won't happen. Too much cash outlay and their philosophy won't radically change all of the sudden.

This is of course based on the idea that Wallace and Brown will both command huge contracts.

I think maybe before you say "People need to remember that the Steelers have a lot of net worth, but they are not nearly as liquid as some of the other teams." You should consider how many zeroes the Rooney's check book had when they restructured all those deals. A restructure is opening the check book and paying them cash...Real cash. Also consider the most recent deals...Timmons and Woodley didn't sign for peanuts. Don't confuse lack of activity year in and year out on outside free agents with the Steelers not having your "cash outlay". The Steelers don't pay mega deals to outside FA...The Steelers pay their own.

BigRob
03-15-2012, 03:14 PM
I think maybe before you say "People need to remember that the Steelers have a lot of net worth, but they are not nearly as liquid as some of the other teams."

This was discussed when the Steelers had to sell percentages to buy-out their gambling brothers. They don't have the liquid cash on hand that other owners and franchises do. I will have to try to find some old articles.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
03-15-2012, 03:27 PM
This was discussed when the Steelers had to sell percentages to buy-out their gambling brothers. They don't have the liquid cash on hand that other owners and franchises do. I will have to try to find some old articles.

I understand what you are saying BigRob. The pockets of the Rooneys aren't as deep as Snyder, Jones,etc. The financial stability of the Steelers would aid them if they ever needed help. To your point I would agree. The Steelers signing bonus structure tends to be less than those other owners. But some recent deals and retructures have shown they have sufficient operating capital to handle business. Let's just hope the well doesn't go dry.

RuthlessBurgher
03-15-2012, 04:14 PM
I still am having trouble understanding why brown commands a "huge contract" and a "mega deal".

he had a really nice second half to the season. Some of you guys are really over estimating his value as of this moment.

I see no trouble signing both.

You are right...Antonio Brown isn't quite up to "mega-deal" proportions just yet.

Compare Antonio's numbers last year (69-1108-16.1-2) to another similar receiver (74-1023-13.8-7).

The other receiver had 5 more overall catches (as well as the all-important 5 more touchdowns catches), although Brown had 85 more receiving yards overall.

The mystery receiver? Nate Washington (which is interesting that Brown had 2.3 more YPC than Washington, since Antonio is thought of as a possession-type receiver, while Nate is thought of as a deep threat receiver).

Dee Dub
03-15-2012, 05:06 PM
That has always been your opinion Crash. This has been discussed by journalist for a long time. They don't have the cash flow in the same vein that Dan Snyder, Stephen Ross, and other true billionaire owner's have for lots of cash outlay.

Regardless, every year what ever the cap number/ceiling is, they spend right up to it. And that is all any team need to be concerned with. Their net worth compared to others teams means very little when it comes the the salary cap. That is the beauty of a salary cap.

Dee Dub
03-15-2012, 05:07 PM
I still am having trouble understanding why brown commands a "huge contract" and a "mega deal".

he had a really nice second half to the season. Some of you guys are really over estimating his value as of this moment.

I see no trouble signing both.

Cha-ching!! Agree with you 100% Eddie. And not too mention Antonio Brown is a Restricted Free Agent next off-season. Can you say 2.7 million tender?

hawaiiansteel
03-15-2012, 10:00 PM
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Good news, bad news about Wallace (http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2012/03/14/good-news-bad-news-about-wallace/)

March 14th, 2012


If you are a Steelers fan, the first day of free agency was good … no, make that great.

Six teams signed free agent receivers with another signing the night before.

And no, not one of them was named Mike Wallace.

Wallace is a restricted free agent and popular belief had a half dozen teams beating down agent Bus Cook’s door at 4:01 p.m. Tuesday to beg for Wallace’s services.

It didn’t happen, and it is almost assured (not guaranteed) that Wallace will not receive a qualifying offer on the restricted free agent market.

A first-round pick to go along with a hefty front-loaded contract is just too expensive even for a team with a lot of cap space.

Wallace will have no choice but to sign the first-round tender the Steelers offered him and play for $2.742 million this year.

But, of course, there is also bad news.

Although Wallace will likely be a Steeler this year, after that has become very cloudy, especially after what transpired on the first day of free agency.

* Vincent Jackson, 29, signed a 5-year, $55.5 million deal ($26 million guaranteed)
* Pierre Garcon, 25, signed a 5-year, $42.5 million deal ($21.5 million guaranteed)
* Marques Colston, 28, signed a 5-year, $40 million deal ($19 million guaranteed)
* Robert Meachem, 27, signed a 4-year, $25.9 million deal ($14 million guaranteed)
* Reggie Wayne, 33, signed a 3-year, $17.5 million deal.
* Josh Morgan, 26, signed a 2-year, $12 million deal.

Add those to Stevie Johnson’s 5-year, $36.25 million deal a few weeks back and Randy Moss’ 1-year, $4 million deal Monday night, and the price of a wide receiver in this league quickly got out of control.

Then word came down that Detroit receiver Calvin Johnson signed an extension worth $132 million over seven years with $60 million guarenteed and Wallace’s value went up yet another level.

It is a price that the Steelers might not be willing or able to offer Wallace.

You would figure that Wallace would be asking very close to what Jackson got out of Tampa Bay.

Something like 5-years for somewhere in the $50-million range probably would lock Wallace up long-term right now.
Wait until next year when the salary cap is expected to rise significantly and, with another 70-catch, 1,000-yard, 10-touchdown season out of Wallace, the money Jackson got could look like chump change.

The Steelers aren’t going to be able sign Wallace to long-term deal this summer. They just don’t have the money, unless they dump a high-priced veteran (Casey Hampton?)

Now, they could have the money a year from now, but it would be too late by then. Free agency would be upon Wallace who would cash in.

Sure it is about money, but it is also about value when it comes to the Steelers.

The Steelers just don’t place high values on their receivers. They never have.

Just over the past few years alone, they let No. 1 picks Plaxico Burress and Santonio Holmes leave.

They feel they can get top-notch receivers anywhere from the draft to off the street.

Look at the receivers who got big deals already this year – Colston (7th rounder), Johnson (7th rounder), Garcon (6th rounder). Wallace was a 3rd-rounder as well as Emmauel Sanders and Hines Ward. Antonio Brown was a 6th rounder.

When you take in account what happened Tuesday, how much those guys got paid, how the Steelers don’t value receivers and how little disposable cap money they have along with how much some teams might have next year with the cap going up, it’s not a good equation for Wallace staying with the Steelers.

It is a possibility that the Steelers will let Wallace play out his final year of his contract and test the free agent market.

– Mark Kaboly

http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2012/03/14/good-news-bad-news-about-wallace/

Mo_Steel
03-15-2012, 10:34 PM
I still am having trouble understanding why brown commands a "huge contract" and a "mega deal".

he had a really nice second half to the season. Some of you guys are really over estimating his value as of this moment.

I see no trouble signing both.
I too agree with this statement. Many have talked about how Wallace slowed and Antonio exploded but it maybe inversed as well since Wallace exploded out the gate and AB started as an afterthought until midseason. I like both and after the Steelers show Wallace some tough love give him his shot, they will sign him long term in their favor a bit and still have room to offer AB the same tough love next year if need be and resign him. The tough love will be can you find someone to pay you what you think you are worth, or do you comeback to a realization the Steelers will take care of you well in a team/family atmosphere, and their big selling point will be doyou want to be a part of awinner.

Slapstick
03-16-2012, 08:17 AM
Based on the market, Wallace should receive something on the order of:

Garcon
S. Johnson
D. Jackson