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aggiebones
03-05-2012, 06:14 PM
I hate to even publish this in case it hasn't been thought of. Hoping it is not allowed by the rules.

But can you (say the Buccaneers at no.5), trade the no.5 pick to say the Giants and get a pile of players/picks + the Giants no.1 pick (32nd overall).
....then bid on Wallace with only the 32nd pick to lose?

Is it legal to trade down before making a contract offer to Wallace?

If this is something we don't want anyone to see, please delete :)

steelblood
03-05-2012, 06:28 PM
It is my understanding that you only need a first round pick (and that it does not have to be your assigned pick slot. So, yes, that is possible, I think.

But, Wallace would also have to sign their offer letter.

SS Laser
03-06-2012, 03:18 AM
If that is true, this is VERY BAD! And might I add wrong that that could happen with the new rule of only giving up a 1st rd pick. It would not bother me as bad if a 1st rd tender was still a 1st and 3rd.

I don't think anyone would move up that much to the 5th. It would take a lot to move that far. The 5th pick is worth 1700. The 32th pick is worth 590. It would take a bunch of picks to get the values close. I am not even going to try and figure out all the picks it would take.

steelblood
03-06-2012, 07:57 AM
That is the reality. No team is giving up a top 5 or even a top 10 pick, plus huge money for Wallace. That would be nuts.

Oviedo
03-06-2012, 08:29 AM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

phillyesq
03-06-2012, 08:32 AM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

I believe that you are correct.

Oviedo
03-06-2012, 08:35 AM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

I believe that you are correct.


It only makes sense to prevent teams from gaming the system.

RuthlessBurgher
03-06-2012, 11:15 AM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

Yeah, if Cleveland was dumb enough to make an offer, they would owe us their own #4 pick, not the #22 they got from Atlanta in the Julio Jones trade last year.

Oviedo
03-06-2012, 11:38 AM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

Yeah, if Cleveland was dumb enough to make an offer, they would owe us their own #4 pick, not the #22 they got from Atlanta in the Julio Jones trade last year.

When you think about it, is there a WR they could get in this draft as good as Wallace? However, they will not give up the chance to get RG3.

I understand you used Cleveland for an example, but maybe more realistically would the Bumgals do it since they have two Round 1 picks and give us pick #21 to add Wallace to AJ Green? IMO that is a very real possibility.

phillyesq
03-06-2012, 12:13 PM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

Yeah, if Cleveland was dumb enough to make an offer, they would owe us their own #4 pick, not the #22 they got from Atlanta in the Julio Jones trade last year.

When you think about it, is there a WR they could get in this draft as good as Wallace? However, they will not give up the chance to get RG3.

I understand you used Cleveland for an example, but maybe more realistically would the Bumgals do it since they have two Round 1 picks and give us pick #21 to add Wallace to AJ Green? IMO that is a very real possibility.

That would be a deadly combo, especially with Gresham underneath. Luckily, it's the Bengals, so I don't think we have to worry about them making a move like that.

Mister Pittsburgh
03-06-2012, 01:15 PM
Does timeframe not play a factor into something like this not being able to happen? I thought a team would have to put in for Wallace prior to the draft. Is there not some deadline set?

Oviedo
03-06-2012, 01:18 PM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

Yeah, if Cleveland was dumb enough to make an offer, they would owe us their own #4 pick, not the #22 they got from Atlanta in the Julio Jones trade last year.

When you think about it, is there a WR they could get in this draft as good as Wallace? However, they will not give up the chance to get RG3.

I understand you used Cleveland for an example, but maybe more realistically would the Bumgals do it since they have two Round 1 picks and give us pick #21 to add Wallace to AJ Green? IMO that is a very real possibility.

That would be a deadly combo, especially with Gresham underneath. Luckily, it's the Bengals, so I don't think we have to worry about them making a move like that.

While I think they would eventually screw it up, it would not surprise me to see the Bumgals make a play on Wallace. I honestly believe that after last season they know they are the up and coming team in the AFC North and they have a significant amount of cap space to do this.

If I'm not mistaken doesn't the new CBA have a "hard floor" for the salary cap? The Bumgals can't be cheap like in the past.

RuthlessBurgher
03-06-2012, 01:21 PM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

Yeah, if Cleveland was dumb enough to make an offer, they would owe us their own #4 pick, not the #22 they got from Atlanta in the Julio Jones trade last year.

When you think about it, is there a WR they could get in this draft as good as Wallace? However, they will not give up the chance to get RG3.

I understand you used Cleveland for an example, but maybe more realistically would the Bumgals do it since they have two Round 1 picks and give us pick #21 to add Wallace to AJ Green? IMO that is a very real possibility.

That would be a deadly combo, especially with Gresham underneath. Luckily, it's the Bengals, so I don't think we have to worry about them making a move like that.

Yeah, Mike Brown would have to fork over a huge contract that we would be unable to match. Even though Cincy has oodles of cap space (and we don't), it won't happen, simply because Mike Brown makes Mr. Krabs look like a spendthrift (for my fellow posters without young children, that was a Spongebob Squarepants reference :wink: ).

Oviedo
03-06-2012, 01:26 PM
I believe the team has to give up its designated Round 1 pick, not someone elses.

Yeah, if Cleveland was dumb enough to make an offer, they would owe us their own #4 pick, not the #22 they got from Atlanta in the Julio Jones trade last year.

When you think about it, is there a WR they could get in this draft as good as Wallace? However, they will not give up the chance to get RG3.

I understand you used Cleveland for an example, but maybe more realistically would the Bumgals do it since they have two Round 1 picks and give us pick #21 to add Wallace to AJ Green? IMO that is a very real possibility.

That would be a deadly combo, especially with Gresham underneath. Luckily, it's the Bengals, so I don't think we have to worry about them making a move like that.

Yeah, Mike Brown would have to fork over a huge contract that we would be unable to match. Even though Cincy has oodles of cap space (and we don't), it won't happen, simply because Mike Brown makes Mr. Krabs look like a spendthrift (for my fellow posters without young children, that was a Spongebob Squarepants reference :wink: ).


Mr. Krabs also has a more successful product than Mike Brown. Krabby Patties are Bikini Bottom equivalent of the Steelers Nation. Very popular and in demand.

Mister Pittsburgh
03-06-2012, 01:37 PM
April 21: Likely end of restricted free agency period, teams can no longer offer other teams' restricted free agents contracts. This date might fall earlier depending on an agreement between the NFLPA and NFL. The CBA states this is the latest date for restricted free agency to end.


(Restricted free agents (RFAs) are players who have three or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. RFAs have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until a deadline which occurs approximately a week prior to the NFL Draft (for 2010 the deadline was April 15), at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.)


Here you go....the other teams would have to pull off the trades of first round picks a week prior to the draft itself which doesn't occur really because, obviously, trades normally occur for teams to move up or down because certain prospects fall or rise or it depends on who has been picked, etc.

In essence, the scenario laid out by the original poster would likely not happen.

aggiebones
03-07-2012, 12:56 AM
Sorry my point wasn't about no.5 trading down to no.32.
But someone could trade from say mid 20s, get something and the 30-32nd pick. Then make a big offer for Wallace.

They'd get something for trading down and only lose the +/-30th pick.

It would be a foolish GM that signs Wallace with a pick between 15-25 for instance.

Shoe
03-07-2012, 01:14 AM
That is the reality. No team is giving up a top 5 or even a top 10 pick, plus huge money for Wallace. That would be nuts.

While I do agree with you, you do realize the Raiders gave Cincinnati a bushels of picks for a guy who I wouldn't trade a 7th for.

RuthlessBurgher
03-07-2012, 01:30 PM
Sorry my point wasn't about no.5 trading down to no.32.
But someone could trade from say mid 20s, get something and the 30-32nd pick. Then make a big offer for Wallace.

They'd get something for trading down and only lose the +/-30th pick.

It would be a foolish GM that signs Wallace with a pick between 15-25 for instance.

In order for a team to trade down in the first round and then give us a lower 1st round pick as compensation for signing Wallace to an RFA offer sheet, such a trade would have to occur well before draft day (the RFA signing period ends a week before the draft). Teams aren't going to be willing to move up in the first round unless they know the guy that they are targetting is going to be there. That is why teams move up on draft day itself, when that particular pick is on the clock, so that they can be sure to get their guy. Why would a team want to trade up a week or more prior to the draft if they can't be sure at that point that they will get the guy they want?