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flippy
03-03-2012, 12:05 AM
Could it be possible that the Steelers could have Coby as the #1 rated guy on their draft board at 24?

Could be the perfect cure for our Red Zone blues.

With the speedy Wallace, Brown and/or Sanders on the outside, Ben should tear teams apart with 2 TEs.

And if Heath has to stay in for pass pro so often, wouldn't it be great to have a stud TE that is utilized in the passing game more?

Lebsteel
03-03-2012, 12:19 AM
Not crazy at all IF he is our 2nd 1st Rd pick...get my drift? :stirpot

Chadman
03-03-2012, 02:32 AM
No it's not crazy- even in Reality World where the Steelers only have 1 first round pick & 3 good young WR's.


Miller is about to hit the 3-0 number, and will be coming towards the end of his contract/career by the time our next 1st Round Pick's contract is up for renewal. It wouldn't be the first time the Steelers have looked at a 1st round pick & used them to develop behind a starter in order for a seamless transition from one to the other down the track.

JDSteeler
03-03-2012, 02:49 AM
Could it be possible that the Steelers could have Coby as the #1 rated guy on their draft board at 24?

Could be the perfect cure for our Red Zone blues.

With the speedy Wallace, Brown and/or Sanders on the outside, Ben should tear teams apart with 2 TEs.

And if Heath has to stay in for pass pro so often, wouldn't it be great to have a stud TE that is utilized in the passing game more?

It's a huge reach, Flippy...especially since we have other more important needs.

I still think we could get him in the 3rd, after OL, and NT/ILB are picked..

JD

Mister Pittsburgh
03-03-2012, 08:37 AM
Maybe if we aren't high on anyone at 24 and traded back to the end of the round or top of the 2nd round.

Shawn
03-03-2012, 09:11 AM
Considering Fleener isn't a strong blocker, I would say he is a major reach by any team in the first round. He isn't a Gronk type of game changer in the receiving game either. He was a solid receiving TE with one of the best college QBs to ever play the game throwing to him. Late second...sure. First...no.

TallyStiller
03-03-2012, 09:19 AM
I think he'd be the second coming of Matt Spaeth in Pittsburgh - he's not much of a blocker, and the only time the Steelers have ever committed to the proper utilization of a pass catching tight end was when Eric Green was here. It'd be like trying to pound a square peg into a round hole... Fleener's just not built like a Steeler tight end. They tried to make Spaeth into a blocker, too, and he was terrible at it.

Mister Pittsburgh
03-03-2012, 09:52 AM
Spaeth played very stiff compared to Fleener. Fleener looks way more athletic catching the ball & running after the catch.

NJ-STEELER
03-03-2012, 11:05 AM
as much as we played 2 TE sets in the past (dont know if it continues with halley) i'd consider a TE in the 1st round before another LB or DL.

help the 21st ranked offense instead of the defense thats ranked top 3 the last 5 years

phillyesq
03-03-2012, 12:21 PM
A top flight TE would not be crazy, but I don't think Fleener qualifies as a top flight TE. I have a feeling that TEs will be overdrafted this year after Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham. The Steelers have plenty of other areas that could use improvement without having to reach for a TE.

Mo_Steel
03-03-2012, 12:31 PM
A top flight TE would not be crazy, but I don't think Fleener qualifies as a top flight TE. I have a feeling that TEs will be overdrafted this year after Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham. The Steelers have plenty of other areas that could use improvement without having to reach for a TE.

Agree with Philly here. I don't think there is adeep TE pool in this draft. Other needs addressed first and if someone falls in our lap take a calculated gamble. As an organization we may have rated another TE higher than the status quo TE type that all are now trying to find.

Mo_Steel
03-03-2012, 12:37 PM
Doubled up

RuthlessBurgher
03-03-2012, 05:15 PM
No it's not crazy- even in Reality World where the Steelers only have 1 first round pick & 3 good young WR's.


Miller is about to hit the 3-0 number, and will be coming towards the end of his contract/career by the time our next 1st Round Pick's contract is up for renewal. It wouldn't be the first time the Steelers have looked at a 1st round pick & used them to develop behind a starter in order for a seamless transition from one to the other down the track.

Actually, 2012 is the last year of Heath's contact. He'll be an unstricted free agent next offseason.

Oviedo
03-03-2012, 06:17 PM
If DeCastro and Glenn are both out of reach Fleenor would not be a bad pick. Heath can't play forever, Saunders is a total unknown and Johnson is a known as worthless.

I could see this happening, especially if Haley really plans on using the TE as a weapon unlike the empty promises we got from Arians.

hawaiiansteel
03-04-2012, 01:08 AM
Football: Fleener’s draft stock rising fast

Thursday, March 1st, 2012
By Jack Blanchat

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Redshirt senior Coby Fleener has seen his draft stock rise rapidly over the course of the season, as he was one of the Cardinal’s most prolific threats this year with 10 of his 34 catches going for touchdowns. (LUIS AGUILAR/The Stanford Daily)

With the NFL Combine over, the Stanford football team’s pro day in late March and the NFL Draft not until April, you’d think this would be a good time for head coach David Shaw to focus on the 2012 Cardinal, not the players moving on to the NFL. But instead, his phone–and the phones of everyone else on the coaching staff–have been ringing constantly.

Shaw, who spent nine years in the NFL before coming to Stanford, said he and the rest of the Cardinal coaches have been spending a lot of time talking to NFL general managers and coaches over the last few weeks.

“There’s a lot of communicating going on [between NFL personnel and] me, our offensive coordinator, our defensive coordinator and our run game coordinator,” Shaw said on Thursday. “All of us have a lot of NFL experience a lot of NFL ties, and they know that when they call us we’re going to tell them the truth. And it just so happens that we’ve got a lot of good players going in this draft that guys are excited about.”

When NFL coaches call, they’re often looking for information they can’t get from tapes, intangibles like a player’s locker room presence and their ability to learn new systems quickly.

“[NFL coaches] want to know what they don’t see on film,” Shaw said. “They want to talk about character, they want to talk about toughness, they want to talk about practice and they want to talk about how well does a guy learn.”

Shaw said coaches were “salivating” over quarterback Andrew Luck as well as linemen David DeCastro and Jonathan Martin, all of whom are expected to be selected in the first 20 picks of the draft. Shaw also noted that there’s been a recent flurry of interest in several other players, especially tight end Coby Fleener.

Fleener’s stock has been shooting up draft boards and mock drafts over the past several weeks, and Shaw said that he’d be “shocked” if Fleener wasn’t picked in the first round in April’s draft.

“I’d be surprised if he goes past 26 or 27,” Shaw said, pointing to picks that are currently held by the Houston Texans and New England Patriots. Shaw added that the recent dominance of big, speedy tight ends like Vernon Davis, Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski has made Fleener an especially interesting prospect.

“With what happened in the playoffs, when you got the Niners’ tight end running by people, you got the Saints’ tight end running by people, you got the Patriots’ tight ends running by people, and then you turn on Coby’s film and that’s all he does: run by people,” Shaw said. “Just this playoff run I think has bumped Coby’s value up a lot in this draft.”

“It’s not like you have to project it,” Shaw continued. “You saw him in a pro-style offense, you saw him average 20 yards a catch, you saw him score a whole bunch of touchdowns and you saw him run past defensive backs, not just linebackers.”

In addition to Fleener’s rising draft stock, Shaw also said that safety Delano Howell had been another point of interest from NFL staffers recently.

“Here’s a guy that missed a lot of time but still got voted as an all-conference safety, because when he’s on the field he’s an impact player,” Shaw said. “He’s a guy that you can envision playing special teams, a guy you can envision being your third safety early on, and eventually being a starting safety and a core special teamer.”

Finally, Shaw stumped for wide receiver Chris Owusu, who impressed at the NFL combine by running a 4.36 second 40-yard dash, the second-fastest time among all players. Although Owusu’s draft stock is somewhat unclear due to his issues with concussions throughout the course of his career–including three in less than a year–Shaw said he had no trepidations about Owusu’s ability to play at the next level.

“Not anymore, not after listening to the doctors, and not after listening to all the tests that Chris has passed,” Shaw said. “You start getting nervous when a guy doesn’t get hit very hard and gets a concussion, and Chris hasn’t had any glancing blows. These have all been legitimate, big-time hits where he’s gotten a concussion, and it’s always cleared up. The doctors have said that there are no lingering effects, there’s no diminished capacity and there’s nothing there that’s a result from the hits that he’s taken.”

“One of the biggest hits he took was against USC, and that wasn’t a concussion, it was a shoulder injury,” he continued. “It shows you that the guy can still take a big hit and not have it be an effect on his head.”

For now, Owusu, Fleener, Howell and others will have to wait until March 22 to impress the NFL scouts one more time, when the Cardinal hosts its pro day on the Farm. After that, the NFL draft begins Thursday, April 26th and concludes on Saturday, April 28.

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pfelix73
03-04-2012, 11:11 AM
I would not be surprised if the Steelers use a top tier draft pick for a TE. That's a need too. I also would not be surprised if a RB was chosen as well. What if Wilson from VA Tech is there at 24???

:tt1

RuthlessBurgher
03-05-2012, 02:36 PM
I would not be surprised if the Steelers use a top tier draft pick for a TE. That's a need too. I also would not be surprised if a RB was chosen as well. What if Wilson from VA Tech is there at 24???

:tt1

Wilson from Va Tech will be there at 24. I think Richardson will be the only RB to come off the board in round 1. I suspect David Wilson, Lamar Miller, and Doug Wilson will get consideration as feature backs for teams in round 2, with the "Sproles-type" specialists LaMichael James and Isaiah Pead coming off the board shortly thereafter on day two.