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hawaiiansteel
02-26-2012, 03:16 PM
Steelers could opt for nose tackle

By Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, February 26, 2012


INDIANAPOLIS -- There would appear to be less and less room in the pass-happy NFL for space-consuming, run-stuffers who don't play on throwing downs.

Not that Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert buys that nose tackles are creeping toward Jurassic status just because 10 players threw for more than 4,000 yards last season.

"You can't get to third down if you don't stop them on first and second down," Colbert said.

Translation: Nose tackle is still one of the team's most important positions.

The Steelers figure to make finding an eventual successor to Casey Hampton one of their priorities as they piece together their draft board. And two of the more highly regarded defensive players offered glimpses Saturday as to why tackle is one of the deeper positions in the draft.

"I think hands down I'm the best defensive tackle in the draft," Penn State's Devon Still said. Dontari Poe, a 6-foot-4, 346-pounder from Memphis, used the words "weight-room" and "love" in the same sentence.

The Steelers may be more interested in Poe because he has the size of a prototypical nose tackle, and he played the position in college.

"Most people kind of see me as a 3-4 nose tackle, which is cool with me," said Poe, who had eight tackles for losses last season. "I think I can rush the passer a lot more than people think, but I am used to playing nose tackle."

Poe said few play the position better than Hampton, which is why he has long followed the five-time Pro Bowler.

"Once he gets his hands on you, he controls you," Poe said." That's probably what I admire most about him."

Poe's strength -- he is a self-described weightlifting devout -- could allow him to control opposing linemen in the NFL, though he said he needs to become a more consistent player.

The question the Steelers may have about Still is how he would fit with them.

The 6-foot-5 Still weighed in at 303 pounds here at the NFL Scouting Combine, and he may be better suited to play tackle in a 4-3 defense.

Still said he could play nose tackle in a 3-4 defense, and what isn't in question are the credentials he put together during his final season at Penn State.

Buoyed by success he had against Florida center Mike Pouncey in the Outback Bowl at the end of his junior season, Still dominated on a unit that carried Penn State. He recorded 17 tackles for a loss and became the latest standout developed by defensive line coach Larry Johnson.

Still overcame two serious injuries -- one a torn ACL -- early in his career. That, he said, is telling of his desire to excel.

"I don't strive to be mediocre," said Still, the 2011 Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year.

Still once headed draft expert Mike Mayock's rankings for defensive tackles.

Underclassmen, like Poe, pushed him to No. 4 when they entered the draft -- and they made the position flush with top-end talent.

Mayock said he will give first-round grades to as many as seven defensive tackles in his final evaluation of draft-eligible players.

That doesn't necessarily mean there is a lot of quality when it comes prototypical nose tackles.

Colbert said the pool of nose tackles is "not as deep as some other positions, but there's enough. Chances are, you aren't going to get them if you don't take them high."

Colbert drafted Hampton in the first round of the 2001 draft, and Hampton has been a vital part of a defense that has helped the Steelers win two Super Bowls and play in another since then.

At 34, though, Hampton is nearing the end of his career. He is in the final year of his contract and coming off a third torn ACL dating to college. The question doesn't appear to be if the Steelers will take a nose tackle in this year's draft but when.

"Can you take a guy that's not a three-down player high? Absolutely," Colbert said. "But they've got to be special (since) nose tackle is a special part of our defense."

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hawaiiansteel
02-26-2012, 03:43 PM
The Steel Mill

News and updates about the Pittsburgh Steelers
Feb 25, 2012

3 questions with Memphis DT Dontari Poe

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INDIANAPOLIS ó Dontari Poe, a potential target for the Steelers in the first round of the draft, talked about Casey Hampton, his versatility and his devotion to the weight room today during his media interview at the NFL Combine.

Poe, a defensive tackle from Memphis, was measured at 6-4, and he weighed in at 346 pounds. He didnít look like someone that is pushing 350 pounds, and the biggest question the Steelers may have about Poe is whether they will get a crack at him.
The Steelers donít pick until No. 24 in the first round of the draft.

Here are three questions with Poe:

Q: Are you more comfortable in a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense?
A: Iím used to both, I played both in college. Either or would be good for me. Iím comfortable playing either so itís really not a big deal. Most people kind of see me as a 3-4 nose tackle, which is cool with me because I like that position as well. I like to think that I am versatile. I can play multiple positions.

Q: You seem to know your way around a weight room. Can you talk about that?
A: I love the weight room. Itís something that I got into high school because people always used to say college players are way bigger, faster, stronger and when you get to college they say the NFL is way bigger, stronger. I never let up. Iím self motivated to do it.

Q: You said you have long followed Casey Hampton. What do you like about him?
A: Heís one of the more aggressive defensive tackles that this league has seen. His hand strength, once he gets his hands on you he controls you. Thatís probably what I admire most about him.

Ė Scott Brown

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RuthlessBurgher
02-26-2012, 05:06 PM
Last year, Phil Taylor came off the board at #21 overall to Cleveland. Dontari Poe is bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Taylor, and Poe does not have Taylor's history of red flags (kicked out of Penn State) either.

ramblinjim
02-26-2012, 09:23 PM
We'd have three first rounders on our d-line for years to come, well at least hopefully. I'd like to see the Steelers take the biggest, toughest, most physical presence they can get their hands on in the first round. If it's Poe, great. Glenn? Fantastic, if they trade up and try to get DeCastro, that'd be awesome too.

RuthlessBurgher
02-26-2012, 09:25 PM
We'd have three first rounders on our d-line for years to come, well at least hopefully. I'd like to see the Steelers take the biggest, toughest, most physical presence they can get their hands on in the first round. If it's Poe, great. Glenn? Fantastic, if they trade up and try to get DeCastro, that'd be awesome too.

:Agree Go big. Go ugly. Lather, rinse, repeat. :Steel

Dee Dub
02-27-2012, 12:43 AM
I do not think Dontari Poe is a legitmate 3-4 NT. He is too big to get the needed leverage and if you watch his tape you'll see him consistantly too high. I think he is better suited in 4-3. Plus he is very raw and you will not get much out of him for a while.

I think I would much rather have a much more natural NT like Brandon Thompson or Alameda Ta'Amu.

hawaiiansteel
02-27-2012, 03:03 AM
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 2012

News, notes from the combine thus far


Memphis nose tackle Dontari Poe showed off his strength this weekend in the bench press, putting 225 pounds up 44 times, the best at this year's combine.

Poe is a sculpted 6-4, 346 pounds, though his arms were a bit short at 32 inches.

@ Alameda Ta'amu of Washington, the other top nose tackle prospect, weighed in at 348 pounds on his 6-3 frame.

Ta'amu, who is more of a second-round prospect, did 35 reps and had 32-inch arms.

@ Georgia guard/tackle Cordy Glenn ran the 40 in 5.15 seconds, not bad for a man who is 6-5, 345 pounds.

He also had the second-longest longest arms of any of the offensive linemen at 35 3/4 inches.

Despite the long arms, Glenn still pressed 225 pounds 31 times, a very respectible number

Glenn is viewed as a mid-to-late first-round pick, which puts him in the Steelers' range.

@ California University of Pennsylvania guard Rishaw Johnson showed off his wheels by clocking in right behind Glenn at 5.24 seconds in the 40.

Johnson, 6-3, 313 pounds, is a sleeper in this draft who's likely to be selected in round four or five. The former Ole Miss star transferred to Cal last season.

He showed at the Senior Bowl that he's not really capable of playing center, but his mobility and strength are excellent.

Johnson did, however, struggle in some of the drills, failing to perform them properly and drawing the wrath of position coaches.

He's raw, but with his athleticism, you never know.

@ Winconsin guard Kevin Zeitler and Iowa State's Kelechi Osemele, a pair of late-first, early-second round prospects, clocked in at 5.39 seconds and 5.36 seconds, respectively.

Zeitler's arm length - 32 3/4 - is a bit short, but he used that to his advantage, doing 32 reps on the bench.

Osemele had the longest arms of any lineman - he should at 6-6, 333 pounds - at 35 7/8 and also managed 32 bench reps.

@ We'll see how the linebackers run later this week.

At this point, it clearly appears the Steelers will target two of those three positions in the first two rounds of the draft.

posted by Dale Lolley

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/sidelines/

D Rock
02-27-2012, 07:29 AM
Glenn and Osemele likely bumped their stock up with those size, arm length, and strength numbers.

Glenn may climb into the top 15, and Osemele could become a late first rounder now.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 11:41 AM
I do not think Dontari Poe is a legitmate 3-4 NT. He is too big to get the needed leverage and if you watch his tape you'll see him consistantly too high. I think he is better suited in 4-3. Plus he is very raw and you will not get much out of him for a while.

I think I would much rather have a much more natural NT like Brandon Thompson or Alameda Ta'Amu.

Dub...You may be able to save me some work. Send me the links for Poe's game tape because I can find very little on you tube. Thanks.

steelz09
02-27-2012, 12:29 PM
Poe just ran a 4.8x 40.

Are you freaking kidding me?

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 12:29 PM
Wow...And Poe just ran an unofficial 4.87 forty. :shock:

pfelix73
02-27-2012, 12:33 PM
Yep, his stock may rise so high even he will be picked before #24....

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 12:39 PM
Poe just ran a 4.8x 40.

Are you freaking kidding me?

A 1.7 10 yard split...Somebody must be freaking kidding us!!!!!

Dee Dub
02-27-2012, 01:30 PM
Poe was very impressive in his workout today..however I stand by what I say. He is better suited in a 4-3 or as a 3-4 DE, not as a 3-4 NT. Mayock, Davis, and Warren Sapp all said the same thing this morning. The comparison's to Ngata are deserved, but like Ngata, Baltimore moved him out at NT to a more natural position.

steelz09
02-27-2012, 01:36 PM
Poe is very intriguing. The Steelers need a NT of the future. That is a given and something they've neglected over the past several drafts. I don't know if the combination of Hood + McClendon is the answer at NT.

The thing is ... Poe seems to be within our range. We haven't had a chance to get someone like him at NT because we're never in range. If he's there and we pass him up, then what happens next year when Hampton is either cut or retired?

The Steelers always have an eye on the future and NT is a HUGE part of that.... if you can get a force at NT, you do it.

If Glenn and Poe are available then it gets real tough.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 02:22 PM
Poe was very impressive in his workout today..however I stand by what I say. He is better suited in a 4-3 or as a 3-4 DE, not as a 3-4 NT. Mayock, Davis, and Warren Sapp all said the same thing this morning. The comparison's to Ngata are deserved, but like Ngata, Baltimore moved him out at NT to a more natural position.

That's funny...I'm listening to Mayock right now and he said the opposite. I have been listening since they started and Sapp & Davis both said with his 32" inch arms and his upper & lower body strength he plays inside on the nose or 4-3 DT. Haven't heard anyone mention him as best suited for a 5 tech but said his athleticism suggest he could play there. The player they said who will be a 5 tech is Still. I will stand by what I say and say Poe is a NT in the Steelers system. Ngata moved outside when Cody came on and still slides inside on passing downs. From all the highlights I could gather on him he lines up inside and is a space eater. I saw the game against Mississippi State and there is limited on youtube. I would appreciate if you could send me the film you said you watched that gave you the impression he isn't first round talent. Perhaps I will see the same thing you did. Mayock has him ranked as the 3rd best DT and there may be 5 that go in the first.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 02:36 PM
Poe is very intriguing. The Steelers need a NT of the future. That is a given and something they've neglected over the past several drafts. I don't know if the combination of Hood + McClendon is the answer at NT.

The thing is ... Poe seems to be within our range. We haven't had a chance to get someone like him at NT because we're never in range. If he's there and we pass him up, then what happens next year when Hampton is either cut or retired?

The Steelers always have an eye on the future and NT is a HUGE part of that.... if you can get a force at NT, you do it.

If Glenn and Poe are available then it gets real tough.

If Glenn is available I would think he would be the pick over Poe. If Poe & Hightower are on the board, I would take Poe over Hightower. If Poe is gone, I would try and trade down and maybe still could get Hightower. Problem for me is if we can't trade down. They better love Hightower or take BPA.

steelz09
02-27-2012, 02:58 PM
Poe is very intriguing. The Steelers need a NT of the future. That is a given and something they've neglected over the past several drafts. I don't know if the combination of Hood + McClendon is the answer at NT.

The thing is ... Poe seems to be within our range. We haven't had a chance to get someone like him at NT because we're never in range. If he's there and we pass him up, then what happens next year when Hampton is either cut or retired?

The Steelers always have an eye on the future and NT is a HUGE part of that.... if you can get a force at NT, you do it.

If Glenn and Poe are available then it gets real tough.


If Glenn is available I would think he would be the pick over Poe. If Poe & Hightower are on the board, I would take Poe over Hightower. If Poe is gone, I would try and trade down and maybe still could get Hightower. Problem for me is if we can't trade down. They better love Hightower or take BPA.

True. Poe benefits though because IMO i think NT is more difficult to replace than a guard. Glenn is more prove against top tier competition. Add the fact that he could possibly dominate at G and also backup your tackle positions and that adds HUGE value. That is why I think he will be taken in the teens. Just a hunch.

I really like that LB from Boise and South Carolina's Ingram is sick. Hightower may be the most realistic pick though.

Dee Dub
02-27-2012, 03:47 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":15gkcydr]Poe was very impressive in his workout today..however I stand by what I say. He is better suited in a 4-3 or as a 3-4 DE, not as a 3-4 NT. Mayock, Davis, and Warren Sapp all said the same thing this morning. The comparison's to Ngata are deserved, but like Ngata, Baltimore moved him out at NT to a more natural position.

That's funny...I'm listening to Mayock right now and he said the opposite. I have been listening since they started and Sapp & Davis both said with his 32" inch arms and his upper & lower body strength he plays inside on the nose or 4-3 DT. Haven't heard anyone mention him as best suited for a 5 tech but said his athleticism suggest he could play there. The player they said who will be a 5 tech is Still. I will stand by what I say and say Poe is a NT in the Steelers system. Ngata moved outside when Cody came on and still slides inside on passing downs. From all the highlights I could gather on him he lines up inside and is a space eater. I saw the game against Mississippi State and there is limited on youtube. I would appreciate if you could send me the film you said you watched that gave you the impression he isn't first round talent. Perhaps I will see the same thing you did. Mayock has him ranked as the 3rd best DT and there may be 5 that go in the first.[/quote:15gkcydr]

Did you DVR it? Right before his first or second 40 yard dash it was said.

Poe will not play much in year one if Casey returns. And playing NT isnt going to be where he is best. Is that where you want to go with pick 24?

Oviedo
02-27-2012, 03:54 PM
I think it is far less importnat to get a run stuffer when the league is emphasizing passing and it is far important to shutdown an opponents passing attack than running attack.

We need players who can protect our QB to make our passing attack better or get the opponents QB. Is it really important in today's NFL to be #1 against the run. It's probably become a meaningless statistic compared to #1 against the pass or leading in takeaways. Poe likely won't help us do either of those.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 04:12 PM
Did you DVR it? Right before his first or second 40 yard dash it was said.

Poe will not play much in year one if Casey returns. And playing NT isnt going to be where he is best. Is that where you want to go with pick 24?

I have been listening live online since 9:00 am. I have heard Mayock and others refer to Poe as a NT and said he could be the best interior tackle there. Poe's best position is NT and that is where he is being projected by everyone. They were just talking about Poe. They just named him as one of the Day 1 starters and said he will play at NT/DT and the athleticism he displayed at the combine will allow a defense to move him around in packages. The guys said he was a Top 15 pick which I don't believe. If you were watching you know the guy. It isn't Charlie Casserly (I think that is how you spell it) but it was the older guy on that press panel.

Poe himself said in his interview, "I think I can rush the passer a lot more than people think," Poe said. "I am used to playing nose tackle, but I played some three-technique, some five-technique. I'm pretty comfortable anywhere along the defensive line.

"I think I'm pretty explosive. That's probably my biggest strength. Most people think just because I'm big I do nothing but power. But I kind of use my quickness to my advantage."

I would answer yes to you question. Hampton may begin on PUP. Even last year when he was healthy Hampton was a shell of himself. The future at NT needs to be addressed here and now just like ILB. I would spend the 24th on Poe as quickly as I would Glenn or Hightower. Even if Hampton does start the season Poe will be in the rotation. If Hampton starts on PUP...Poe could leap frog McClendon early.

Dee Dub
02-27-2012, 04:15 PM
I think it is far less importnat to get a run stuffer when the league is emphasizing passing and it is far important to shutdown an opponents passing attack than running attack.

We need players who can protect our QB to make our passing attack better or get the opponents QB. Is it really important in today's NFL to be #1 against the run. It's probably become a meaningless statistic compared to #1 against the pass or leading in takeaways. Poe likely won't help us do either of those.

I think it is far more important to get an immediate starter/impact for a position of need, regardless of what that player does well or doesnt do well.

Hightower is a beast and rare find. He will also add to the pass rush. He can go get the QB from inside and that is thing that has been missing lately because Timmons has had to drop so often.

Sorry Ovi, those guys you want to protect your QB wont be there at 24.

Oviedo
02-27-2012, 04:36 PM
I think it is far less importnat to get a run stuffer when the league is emphasizing passing and it is far important to shutdown an opponents passing attack than running attack.

We need players who can protect our QB to make our passing attack better or get the opponents QB. Is it really important in today's NFL to be #1 against the run. It's probably become a meaningless statistic compared to #1 against the pass or leading in takeaways. Poe likely won't help us do either of those.

I think it is far more important to get an immediate starter/impact for a position of need, regardless of what that player does well or doesnt do well.

Hightower is a beast and rare find. He will also add to the pass rush. He can go get the QB from inside and that is thing that has been missing lately because Timmons has had to drop so often.

Sorry Ovi, those guys you want to protect your QB wont be there at 24.


I'm all in for Hightower over Poe!!!!! I think Hightower will be a beast combined with Timmons and he may give us the ability to inside blitz more with both Timmons and Hightower. If LeBeau can remember what an inside blitz is :stirpot

Hopefully Hightower is not forced to watch from the sidelines while "he learns the complex defense" and he learns by doing on the field. Coming from Alabama's defense he is probably the most ready to play pick we could get.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 04:48 PM
Dub...The guy is Mike Lombardi and he is on right now. He is the one that thinks Poe is a Top 20 pick.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 04:59 PM
Mayock just said Poe's measurables match what he saw on tape. He said if he works hard someone will have an All pro. He said he didn't have the stats but he showed the athleticism on tape. He played on a poor defense and had to beat double teams. What he showed in his measurables doesn't come along often in a DT. He said his split of 1.68 (official) was ranked with the LBs.

RuthlessBurgher
02-27-2012, 05:04 PM
Poe is very intriguing. The Steelers need a NT of the future. That is a given and something they've neglected over the past several drafts. I don't know if the combination of Hood + McClendon is the answer at NT.

The thing is ... Poe seems to be within our range. We haven't had a chance to get someone like him at NT because we're never in range. If he's there and we pass him up, then what happens next year when Hampton is either cut or retired?

The Steelers always have an eye on the future and NT is a HUGE part of that.... if you can get a force at NT, you do it.

If Glenn and Poe are available then it gets real tough.

If Glenn is available I would think he would be the pick over Poe. If Poe & Hightower are on the board, I would take Poe over Hightower. If Poe is gone, I would try and trade down and maybe still could get Hightower. Problem for me is if we can't trade down. They better love Hightower or take BPA.

:Agree I've been advocating trading up for DeCastro (and still do), but if that is not possible, then I'd rank 'em 1. Glenn 2. Poe 3. Hightower.

Dee Dub
02-27-2012, 05:05 PM
Mayock just said Poe's measurables match what he saw on tape. He said if he works hard someone will have an All pro. He said he didn't have the stats but he showed the athleticism on tape. He played on a poor defense and had to beat double teams. What he showed in his measurables doesn't come along often in a DT. He said his split of 1.68 (official) was ranked with the LBs.

I dont disagree with any of this. He is a beast no doubt. I think he is better suited as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE. I just dont think he is the ideal NT in a 3-4. And as far as what you said about Lombardi came from a team who ran a 4-3. He didnt draft 3-4 NT's when he was working for the Raiders.

RuthlessBurgher
02-27-2012, 05:13 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":2jxdjyaa]Mayock just said Poe's measurables match what he saw on tape. He said if he works hard someone will have an All pro. He said he didn't have the stats but he showed the athleticism on tape. He played on a poor defense and had to beat double teams. What he showed in his measurables doesn't come along often in a DT. He said his split of 1.68 (official) was ranked with the LBs.

I dont disagree with any of this. He is a beast no doubt. I think he is better suited as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE. I just dont think he is the ideal NT in a 3-4. And as far as what you said about Lombardi came from a team who ran a 4-3. He didnt draft 3-4 NT's when he was working for the Raiders.[/quote:2jxdjyaa]

Poe and Ta'Amu weigh the same (within 2 lbs of one another...346 vs. 348), have arms that are the same length (32"), and Poe is only 1 inch taller than Ta'Amu (6'4" vs. 6'3"). Yet, Ta'Amu is a prototypical NT and Poe is better suited as a 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE? Not all NT's are 6'1" like Casey Hampton...Ted Washington was 6'5".

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 05:46 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":1a95pmsh]Mayock just said Poe's measurables match what he saw on tape. He said if he works hard someone will have an All pro. He said he didn't have the stats but he showed the athleticism on tape. He played on a poor defense and had to beat double teams. What he showed in his measurables doesn't come along often in a DT. He said his split of 1.68 (official) was ranked with the LBs.

I dont disagree with any of this. He is a beast no doubt. I think he is better suited as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE. I just dont think he is the ideal NT in a 3-4. And as far as what you said about Lombardi came from a team who ran a 4-3. He didnt draft 3-4 NT's when he was working for the Raiders.[/quote:1a95pmsh]

You can have your opinion. I have mine about Hightower at #24 and would hope they trade back to get him if it comes down to it. Being that there is only about 22-24 1st round prospects, Hightower ILB slots as a 2nd rounder because I believe now only Kuechly is the only true 1st round talent. So they should fall back and pick up a pick and still get him...If they can.

I didn't hear anyone like you stated sharing your opinion like you stated. I watched all of Poe's workouts since group 8 came on camera 2 at 11:00 am online and nobody ever said Poe would make a better 3-4 DE. Many stated he could be the best DT in this draft and is the best NT. I saw all his workouts including his position drills and the kid will be a dimension the Steelers haven't had with Hampton. He very well could stay on the field in the middle of sub packages but more improtantly be able to push the pocket deep and give a pass rush that will benefit the OLBs in play action not allowing the QBs to step up. He will occupy 2 OL and keep the ILBs clean.

I don't know where Lombardi worked has to do with his evaluation of a player in a draft. I'm sure they don't pay him to report what he would do if he was still working for the Raiders. But like he said, the value of a DT versus an ILB isn't close. He even said a team may pass on Kuechly to take Poe because the value at DT when a prospect like him is there has to come first even if you need an ILB and they grade out together. It is true...When you have elite talent at the DT/NT, pass rusher (DE/OLB), or CB it is valued more than ILB, 3-4 DE, & S. Of course matter of opinion as to who is elite but we get to see who the decision makers will tab "elite" come draft time.

Dee Dub
02-27-2012, 05:57 PM
[quote="Dee Dub":15iuwb3u][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":15iuwb3u]Mayock just said Poe's measurables match what he saw on tape. He said if he works hard someone will have an All pro. He said he didn't have the stats but he showed the athleticism on tape. He played on a poor defense and had to beat double teams. What he showed in his measurables doesn't come along often in a DT. He said his split of 1.68 (official) was ranked with the LBs.

I dont disagree with any of this. He is a beast no doubt. I think he is better suited as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 DE. I just dont think he is the ideal NT in a 3-4. And as far as what you said about Lombardi came from a team who ran a 4-3. He didnt draft 3-4 NT's when he was working for the Raiders.[/quote:15iuwb3u]

You can have your opinion. I have mine about Hightower at #24 and would hope they trade back to get him if it comes down to it. Being that there is only about 22-24 1st round prospects, Hightower ILB slots as a 2nd rounder because I believe now only Kuechly is the only true 1st round talent. So they should fall back and pick up a pick and still get him...If they can.

I didn't hear anyone like you stated sharing your opinion like you stated. I watched all of Poe's workouts since group 8 came on camera 2 at 11:00 am online and nobody ever said Poe would make a better 3-4 DE. Many stated he could be the best DT in this draft and is the best NT. I saw all his workouts including his position drills and the kid will be a dimension the Steelers haven't had with Hampton. He very well could stay on the field in the middle of sub packages but more improtantly be able to push the pocket deep and give a pass rush that will benefit the OLBs in play action not allowing the QBs to step up. He will occupy 2 OL and keep the ILBs clean.

I don't know where Lombardi worked has to do with his evaluation of a player in a draft. I'm sure they don't pay him to report what he would do if he was still working for the Raiders. But like he said, the value of a DT versus an ILB isn't close. He even said a team may pass on Kuechly to take Poe because the value at DT when a prospect like him is there has to come first even if you need an ILB and they grade out together. It is true...When you have elite talent at the DT/NT, pass rusher (DE/OLB), or CB it is valued more than ILB, 3-4 DE, & S. Of course matter of opinion as to who is elite but we get to see who the decision makers will tab "elite" come draft time.[/quote:15iuwb3u]


Agreed about trading back for Hightower. I would love that too, problem is I dont think he gets past Baltimore. So because of that I'd grab him at 24.

You are right about what was said about Poe. What was actually said (by Charles Davis), is that Ta'Amu is a zero, two gap player (NT in a 3-4). And Mayock agreed. Then they both said Poe could play all over the place. I just replayed it. Sorry about that.

But I stand by what I say. I think Ta'Amu and Brandon Thompson are better suited at NT than Poe. Poe, like Ngata, will be better at DE in a 3-4.

feltdizz
02-27-2012, 06:26 PM
I think it is far less importnat to get a run stuffer when the league is emphasizing passing and it is far important to shutdown an opponents passing attack than running attack.

We need players who can protect our QB to make our passing attack better or get the opponents QB. Is it really important in today's NFL to be #1 against the run. It's probably become a meaningless statistic compared to #1 against the pass or leading in takeaways. Poe likely won't help us do either of those.

I'm not a draft hound but I think Poe can push the pocket and add pressure.

Our FO sounds like they like our OL and I think Haley will tweak the offense so the OL doesn't look like trash.

hawaiiansteel
02-27-2012, 06:50 PM
I've been advocating trading up for DeCastro (and still do), but if that is not possible, then I'd rank 'em 1. Glenn 2. Poe 3. Hightower.


I would be happy with DeCastro, Glenn, Poe or Hightower as the Steelers' first round draft choice.

Chadman
02-27-2012, 07:10 PM
Only knock on Poe as far as the Steelers draft history is concerned is his lack of exposure to top line competition- he doesn't fit the Big College/ Big Production mantra of the Colbert-Tomlin era.

Everything else about him screams potentially dominant DL player.

The argument about him being a DE or NT in the Steelers 3-4 is kind of redundant- if he's seen as a DE, Hood would move to NT. If he's a NT, Hood stays at DE...

While Chadman has doubts Poe meets the criteria of the Steelers Draft choice, Chadman would be exceedingly happy to have such a potentially dominant DL for years to come with Poe, Hood & Heyward. This would make the job of the LB's that much easier...

Dee Dub
02-27-2012, 07:19 PM
...

The argument about him being a DE or NT in the Steelers 3-4 is kind of redundant- if he's seen as a DE, Hood would move to NT. If he's a NT, Hood stays at DE...

See now I agree with this. This would make much more sense for the Steelers. And if that is the thinking I would be behind drafting Poe. If you look at what Baltimore does with Ngata from the DE position (stunts, dropping in passing lanes, driving up the O-tackle while Suggs loops underneath), would be something I think would make Poe even more valuable to the Steelers than a two gap NT.

hawaiiansteel
02-27-2012, 07:57 PM
Dontari Poe: More than just a Combine Freak?

Posted on: February 27, 2012


Every year one prospect lights up the NFL combine by putting on a dazzling showing as the Freak of all freaks. Monday, Dontari Poe, a 6-4, 346-pound defensive tackle from Memphis, was That Guy.

We've been touting Poe for a year or so now after being told about him by a Memphis staffer of his staggering athleticism. The guy squats over 700 pounds, bench presses over 500 and power cleans over 400, all jaw dropping numbers, but he's more than just weight room powerhouse. He was also a Tennessee state champion shot putter in high school, a testament to some of that explosiveness.

As expected, Poe was impressive in the weight room in Indy, benching 225 pounds 44 times, more than anyone else at the combine. But it was when he dug his cleats in to run the 40-yard dash Monday morning when jaws really dropped. Poe was unofficially timed at an unheard-of 4.87 seconds. And this was as the fourth-heaviest defensive linemen to weigh in at the Ccmbine since 2000. Later, the league announced his official time was 4.98, which is still remarkable for such a mammoth athlete.

Some immediately wondered if Poe is just a "workout warrior"? After all, he only was named to the second-team All-Conference USA team in 2011 with 33 tackles, eight TFLs and one sack for the nation's No. 115 defense. The year before, he was just an honorable mention all-league pick.

In truth, it's tricky to try to read too much into the stats of an interior defensive lineman. Poe, as one college coach who faced him this year pointed out to me Monday, was not surrounded by much talent. You shaped your game plan around him, the coach said. Plus, different defensive scheme dictate how "productive" certain D-linemen can be. Steelers star nose man Casey Hampton's been to five Pro Bowls and he barely registers on the postgame stat sheet.

I spoke to a veteran O-line coach who faced Poe several times during his college career. His take: "He's probably the best talent I've seen in several years. He took plays off and wasn't a great effort guy, but he is a freakish talent."

But don't all 320-plus pound D-linemen take some plays off?

"Yeah," said the coach, "but he took off more than most. He did get better last year than he was the year before. He just was never that productive, but I heard they didn't require him to do that much. He was definitely someone I took into account with schemes. ... I'm not at all surprised to hear that he's blowing up at the combine at all. He was never on the ground in college."

That last detail may actually be just impressive as the speed Poe displayed Monday, because as the O-line coach said, it shows the guy's great balance.

"It's the first thing I look at in recruiting linemen.

"He has definite first-round talent."

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focosteeler
02-27-2012, 08:13 PM
I keep hearing people say that Poe is too tall to play NT....isnt Paul Soliai around 6'4" and one of the top NT in the league?

hawaiiansteel
02-28-2012, 11:49 PM
Memphis' Dontari Poe won't fall to Steelers

February, 28, 2012
By Jamison Hensley


Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe is the perfect fit for the Pittsburgh Steelers, who need to find the heir apparent to nose tackle Casey Hampton. Most mock drafts agreed, linking Poe to the Steelers' 24th overall pick in the first round.

But Poe won't be there when the Steelers are picking at that point. Not after his "epic" showing at the NFL combine.

Poe's numbers produced at the combine compare favorably to the ones recorded by Ravens defensive tackle Haloti Ngata. Even though Ngata was a more polished player coming out of college, Poe is projected to go in the middle of the first round (Ngata was taken 12th overall).

Everyone knew Poe was strong. He backed that up when he had 44 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press -- which was 16 above the average for defensive tackles over the past four combines. What really stood out was Poe's speed. He ran a jaw-dropping official time of 4.98 seconds in the 40-yard dash.

You got the feeling that Poe would enjoy getting drafted by the Steelers. He has definitely followed Hampton's career.

"He's aggressive. He's one of the more aggressive defensive tackles this league has seen," Poe said at the combine. "His hand strength. Once he gets his hands on you, he kind of controls you. That's probably what I admire most about him."

Luckily for the Steelers, this is a deep draft for nose tackles. BYU's Hebron Fangupo, Washington's Alameda Ta'amu (who had the third-slowest 40 time among defensive tackles) and Alabama's Josh Chapman are expected to be taken from the second to fourth rounds.

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