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pick6
02-22-2012, 12:07 PM
Konz is said to be a first round talent but Im not sure about drafting Konz to play guard for us. And although Pouncey would be a great guard I dont think he wants to do it. He'll probably be gone by 1.24 anyway. What do you guys think about this dynamic?

Also usatoday has a great draft cheat sheet with prospective draft rounds by each player. Just looking at it we may be able to get a starting guard in the 2nd round. The one that Im most familiar with is Zeitler and they have him as a 2. Along with B. Washington and Osemele. Now we'd have to move up in the 2nd to get one of these guys if they made it to the 2nd, but would it be greedy/risky to wait to the 2nd for the most important guard position pick. I mean we could get an awesome BPA in the first then trade up in round 2 to get the guard we need to start come game one.

As it stands now do we take G/T Glenn if he is there at 1.24? I'm on the fence. Could someone post a pros vs cons breakdown of the top 8-10 guards available in this draft.

Chadman
02-22-2012, 12:16 PM
Nothing wrong with the idea of Konz playing OG.

there are a few OC's that might make decent OG's- Jones from Georgia, Brewster from Ohio & the guy from Baylor stand out- good size, aggressive, mobile.

All sound like potential LG's to Chadman.

RuthlessBurgher
02-22-2012, 01:23 PM
For what it's worth, regarding trade-up scenarios in the second round vs. the first round:

According to the standard draft trade value chart...


First round trade-up scenarios:

Giving up our 2nd round pick should be able to move us up about 10 spots in round 1.

Giving up our 3rd round pick should be able to move us up about 6 spots in round 1.

Giving up our 4th round pick should be able to move us up about 3 spots in round 1.


Second round trade-up scenarios:

Giving up our 3rd round pick should be able to move us up about 15 spots in round 2.

Giving up our 4th round pick should be able to move us up about 5 spots in round 2.

steelblood
02-22-2012, 02:33 PM
Konz is 6'5 315 pounds. He is athletic and excels as a run blocker. He is able to hit multiple targets and is very smart. He is an efficient pass protector.

What exactly is your objection to him playing guard? Converting from center to guard is quite easy.

BigRob
02-22-2012, 03:03 PM
He has played guard at Wisconsin before. He also would be good to have because of his versatility. He can start at three positions on the O-line when the inevitable injuries occur.

BradshawsHairdresser
02-22-2012, 03:44 PM
Would love to see the Steelers get Konz.

pick6
02-22-2012, 06:06 PM
Konz is 6'5 315 pounds. He is athletic and excels as a run blocker. He is able to hit multiple targets and is very smart. He is an efficient pass protector.

What exactly is your objection to him playing guard? Converting from center to guard is quite easy.


No objections, just not sure. But you make a good case. That's really why I posted, to see what you guys think about him at 1.24 because many boards think the other guards are a reach in round 1.
But watching him play im not sure if he is better than Zeitler at guard, not saying that he would have problems but could we get the same thing in early round 2 with a trade up. If he can show at the combine that he has much better feet then that would make me feel like its worth it. Hope he is still there when we pick.

pick6
02-22-2012, 06:10 PM
For what it's worth, regarding trade-up scenarios in the second round vs. the first round:

According to the standard draft trade value chart...


First round trade-up scenarios:

Giving up our 2nd round pick should be able to move us up about 10 spots in round 1.

Giving up our 3rd round pick should be able to move us up about 6 spots in round 1.

Giving up our 4th round pick should be able to move us up about 3 spots in round 1.


Second round trade-up scenarios:

Thanks for this Ruthless. its very informative.

So we could get an awesome impact player in the 1st and maybe move up in the 2nd to get a day 1 starting guard (top 3 or 4 ranked guard) with our 3rd pick. This could get interesting.

Giving up our 3rd round pick should be able to move us up about 15 spots in round 2.

Giving up our 4th round pick should be able to move us up about 5 spots in round 2.

Oviedo
02-23-2012, 02:35 PM
CBS Sports ranks Konz as #22; Glenn is right behind him.

Konz sounds like the type of high caharacter player the Steelers go after. His injuries however would cause me some pause especially a young man getting blood clots.



22. *Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin, 6-5, 315, 1 Konz (pronounced "Kahnz"), showed his character even as he made the decision to opt for the draft after his junior year. He wrote a letter of explanation to Badger fans, telling them among other things that he crammed 18 units into the fall semester so he could graduate this spring and, oh yes, he was getting married. Konz was equally accountable on the field, where he always found a way to get the job done. His alertness compensates for average quickness so he still gets in position in time to take on defenders. Konz is more of a persistent, wall-off type of blocker than a physical mauler. In order to play in 30 college games, he overcame several setbacks, including blood clots in both lungs (2009), a severely sprained ankle (2010) and a dislocated left ankle that kept him out of three games before he returned to play in the 2012 Rose Bowl against Oregon.

23. Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia, 6-6, 346, 1-2 This massive man looked like a natural when he was first thrown into a starting role as a freshman. Glenn went on to tie a school record with 50 total starts, including 28 at left guard, 18 at left tackle and four at right guard. There was even talk about trying him on the defensive line, but it didn't happen. Glenn obliterates defenders on the run and is excellent in pass protection, certainly a factor in Georgia finishing third in the SEC with an average of 413 yards a game. Glenn appears most natural at guard, but was used at left tackle last season and in Senior Bowl workouts. He struggled against speed rushers, so expect him to be inside in the NFL. He has all the strength you would expect of a man his size and then some, but it his footwork on pass blocking and ability to get downfield to pick off second level defenders that is a surprise, both to scouts and the overwhelmed defenders themselves.

steelblood
02-23-2012, 03:18 PM
CBS Sports ranks Konz as #22; Glenn is right behind him.

Konz sounds like the type of high caharacter player the Steelers go after. His injuries however would cause me some pause especially a young man getting blood clots.



22. *Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin, 6-5, 315, 1 Konz (pronounced "Kahnz"), showed his character even as he made the decision to opt for the draft after his junior year. He wrote a letter of explanation to Badger fans, telling them among other things that he crammed 18 units into the fall semester so he could graduate this spring and, oh yes, he was getting married. Konz was equally accountable on the field, where he always found a way to get the job done. His alertness compensates for average quickness so he still gets in position in time to take on defenders. Konz is more of a persistent, wall-off type of blocker than a physical mauler. In order to play in 30 college games, he overcame several setbacks, including blood clots in both lungs (2009), a severely sprained ankle (2010) and a dislocated left ankle that kept him out of three games before he returned to play in the 2012 Rose Bowl against Oregon.

23. Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia, 6-6, 346, 1-2 This massive man looked like a natural when he was first thrown into a starting role as a freshman. Glenn went on to tie a school record with 50 total starts, including 28 at left guard, 18 at left tackle and four at right guard. There was even talk about trying him on the defensive line, but it didn't happen. Glenn obliterates defenders on the run and is excellent in pass protection, certainly a factor in Georgia finishing third in the SEC with an average of 413 yards a game. Glenn appears most natural at guard, but was used at left tackle last season and in Senior Bowl workouts. He struggled against speed rushers, so expect him to be inside in the NFL. He has all the strength you would expect of a man his size and then some, but it his footwork on pass blocking and ability to get downfield to pick off second level defenders that is a surprise, both to scouts and the overwhelmed defenders themselves.



I really think Glenn will be gone by pick 18 or so. I'm not sure why so many analysts peg him as a guard only. He could in the least be a decent RT in the NFL at some point. So many analysts have him going after Konz. I don't get it. All things being equal, he seems like a better player.

Oviedo
02-23-2012, 03:29 PM
CBS Sports ranks Konz as #22; Glenn is right behind him.

Konz sounds like the type of high caharacter player the Steelers go after. His injuries however would cause me some pause especially a young man getting blood clots.



22. *Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin, 6-5, 315, 1 Konz (pronounced "Kahnz"), showed his character even as he made the decision to opt for the draft after his junior year. He wrote a letter of explanation to Badger fans, telling them among other things that he crammed 18 units into the fall semester so he could graduate this spring and, oh yes, he was getting married. Konz was equally accountable on the field, where he always found a way to get the job done. His alertness compensates for average quickness so he still gets in position in time to take on defenders. Konz is more of a persistent, wall-off type of blocker than a physical mauler. In order to play in 30 college games, he overcame several setbacks, including blood clots in both lungs (2009), a severely sprained ankle (2010) and a dislocated left ankle that kept him out of three games before he returned to play in the 2012 Rose Bowl against Oregon.

23. Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia, 6-6, 346, 1-2 This massive man looked like a natural when he was first thrown into a starting role as a freshman. Glenn went on to tie a school record with 50 total starts, including 28 at left guard, 18 at left tackle and four at right guard. There was even talk about trying him on the defensive line, but it didn't happen. Glenn obliterates defenders on the run and is excellent in pass protection, certainly a factor in Georgia finishing third in the SEC with an average of 413 yards a game. Glenn appears most natural at guard, but was used at left tackle last season and in Senior Bowl workouts. He struggled against speed rushers, so expect him to be inside in the NFL. He has all the strength you would expect of a man his size and then some, but it his footwork on pass blocking and ability to get downfield to pick off second level defenders that is a surprise, both to scouts and the overwhelmed defenders themselves.



I really think Glenn will be gone by pick 18 or so. I'm not sure why so many analysts peg him as a guard only. He could in the least be a decent RT in the NFL at some point. So many analysts have him going after Glenn. I don't get it. All things being equal, he seems like a better player.

:Agree I would take Glenn in Round 1 without hesitation. Way more upside than alot of the OL.

Eddie Spaghetti
02-23-2012, 04:17 PM
I would rather have glenn as well ovi. Seems to have the bulk and the feet for the most part.

konz weight is a little concerning to me. I can't see him playing RG at 310 in the north.

be interesting to see what he weighs in at the combine.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-23-2012, 09:06 PM
Tomlin would pass up on Him.

RuthlessBurgher
02-23-2012, 09:16 PM
Tomlin would pass up on Him.

Why? Tomlin seems to fall in love with position-flexible guys.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-24-2012, 07:58 AM
Tomlin would pass up on Him.

Why? Tomlin seems to fall in love with position-flexible guys.

Just my opinion. If Hightower & Konz are both sitting there and both positions of need, he would go Hightower.

steelblood
02-24-2012, 09:22 AM
I would rather have glenn as well ovi. Seems to have the bulk and the feet for the most part.

konz weight is a little concerning to me. I can't see him playing RG at 310 in the north.

be interesting to see what he weighs in at the combine.

First, he just weighed in at 315 at the combine. Second, he'd be playing LG imo. But, he could play right guard.

315 is just fine for a LG who excels at run blocking. Besides, he can bulk up a bit as time goes by. Also, Decastro, the best guard in the draft, weights 315.

Former Bengal and current Viking all world guard Steve Hutchinson weighs 313. Ravens pro bowl right guard Marshal Yanda (who dominated against us this year) weighs 315.

More bulk is nice, but athleticism and leverage are the keys.

Oviedo
02-24-2012, 09:48 AM
[quote="Mister Pittsburgh":1mqy4uij]Tomlin would pass up on Him.

Why? Tomlin seems to fall in love with position-flexible guys.

Just my opinion. If Hightower & Konz are both sitting there and both positions of need, he would go Hightower.[/quote:1mqy4uij]


I think most good coaches and front offices would pick a potential impact LB over a Guard in Round 1.

The talent pool for Guard is just deeper because you have a large number of college OTs that have to move to Guard to make it in the NFL. Choosing Hightower over Konz could not be described as a bad choice.

Eddie Spaghetti
02-24-2012, 11:59 AM
I would rather have glenn as well ovi. Seems to have the bulk and the feet for the most part.

konz weight is a little concerning to me. I can't see him playing RG at 310 in the north.

be interesting to see what he weighs in at the combine.

First, he just weighed in at 315 at the combine. Second, he'd be playing LG imo. But, he could play right guard.

315 is just fine for a LG who excels at run blocking. Besides, he can bulk up a bit as time goes by. Also, Decastro, the best guard in the draft, weights 315.

Former Bengal and current Viking all world guard Steve Hutchinson weighs 313. Ravens pro bowl right guard Marshal Yanda (who dominated against us this year) weighs 315.

More bulk is nice, but athleticism and leverage are the keys.

if he is a LG only, he isn't worth the pick. Sure he could play center if pouncey goes down again, but you don't draft with that in mind.

comparing him to hutch and yanda seems foolish at this time, just because he weighs the same doesn't mean ne will be that kind of player.

quick and mobile is fine. Legursky fits that mold, but then I remember him lined up at RG early last season and he was destroyed by bigger defensive tackles. Bulk matters no matter what you say to prove otherwise.

I would not take konz at 24, however I would take glenn.

Mister Pittsburgh
02-24-2012, 01:15 PM
[quote="Mister Pittsburgh":39yve5w4]Tomlin would pass up on Him.

Why? Tomlin seems to fall in love with position-flexible guys.

Just my opinion. If Hightower & Konz are both sitting there and both positions of need, he would go Hightower.


I think most good coaches and front offices would pick a potential impact LB over a Guard in Round 1.

The talent pool for Guard is just deeper because you have a large number of college OTs that have to move to Guard to make it in the NFL. Choosing Hightower over Konz could not be described as a bad choice.[/quote:39yve5w4]

To be clear here, I didn't say it would be a good or bad choice, just the choice I think Tomlin would make.

Also, the 'talent pool' may be deeper, but that doesn't mean the quality is there where the player could step in year one and contribute.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-24-2012, 01:28 PM
I would take Decastro over any interior OL or ILB in this draft. I would go as far to say there might be only two OTs I would take over DeCastro in this draft. Pre combine & workouts....There is about 22-24 first round talents in this draft and everyone else is just lining up behind them.

As far as Konz, you put him in a draft with Mack or Pouncey I fear he gets pushed out of the 1st round. I think he gets overdrafted because he is Tops at his position. If you evaluate him as a G I feel there are better Gs than him including his team mate Zeitler who is a 2nd rounder. He is more of a positional cut off blocker. I think he would excell on a team who is in shotgun alot. He is going to struggle for a couple years with a guy lined up over him in a base front when they are coming downhill. I know he has alot of fans on this board but I would be very unhappy with him at #24.

Oviedo
02-24-2012, 01:32 PM
I would take Decastro over any interior OL or ILB in this draft. I would go as far to say there might be only two OTs I would take over DeCastro in this draft. Pre combine & workouts....There is about 22-24 first round talents in this draft and everyone else is just lining up behind them.

As far as Konz, you put him in a draft with Mack or Pouncey I fear he gets pushed out of the 1st round. I think he gets overdrafted because he is Tops at his position. If you evaluate him as a G I feel there are better Gs than him including his team mate Zeitler who is a 2nd rounder. He is more of a positional cut off blocker. I think he would excell on a team who is in shotgun alot. He is going to struggle for a couple years with a guy lined up over him in a base front when they are coming downhill. I know he has alot of fans on this board but I would be very unhappy with him at #24.

I totally agree with you about DeCastro being the better than some of the OTs and Konz being somewhat elevated because of the position.

I like Zeitler but pretty sure he doesn't last until our pick at #56.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-24-2012, 02:32 PM
I would take Decastro over any interior OL or ILB in this draft. I would go as far to say there might be only two OTs I would take over DeCastro in this draft. Pre combine & workouts....There is about 22-24 first round talents in this draft and everyone else is just lining up behind them.

As far as Konz, you put him in a draft with Mack or Pouncey I fear he gets pushed out of the 1st round. I think he gets overdrafted because he is Tops at his position. If you evaluate him as a G I feel there are better Gs than him including his team mate Zeitler who is a 2nd rounder. He is more of a positional cut off blocker. I think he would excell on a team who is in shotgun alot. He is going to struggle for a couple years with a guy lined up over him in a base front when they are coming downhill. I know he has alot of fans on this board but I would be very unhappy with him at #24.

I totally agree with you about DeCastro being the better than some of the OTs and Konz being somewhat elevated because of the position.

I like Zeitler but pretty sure he doesn't last until our pick at #56.

This really is setting up to be the draft where the Steelers won't be running to the podium to quickly. Obviously Decastro would be written on the card before the commish finishes saying "The Steelers are on the clock." If Glenn is still there, I think it will be easy choice unless something happens here over the process. But if not, I hope that phone is ringing. The group of prospects outside of those guys is so tight yet the drop off is really hurting the value. You add a name here or there to the draft you wouldn't hesitate to put them ahead of guys in the 25-32 range.

Trading back could really still get a guy that is on the board. Still get a Still, Poe, Hightower, Worthy, etc. Guys may move up and down here but like I said, there is some legitimate 1st rounders and the rest are lining up behind them. I truely believe this draft has much more value in rounds 2-4. I may seriously consider trading completely out of the 1st round for the right price just to get 4 or 5 picks in the top 100 rather than just 3. I think there is just as good of a chance some of these 2nd & 3rd rounders seeing the field as early as some of the 1st that may still be on the board with little to no drop off in production. I hope the Steelers don't face that choice with nobody wanting to trade up if their guys are off the board.

Oviedo
02-24-2012, 02:48 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3u99gp4t]I would take Decastro over any interior OL or ILB in this draft. I would go as far to say there might be only two OTs I would take over DeCastro in this draft. Pre combine & workouts....There is about 22-24 first round talents in this draft and everyone else is just lining up behind them.

As far as Konz, you put him in a draft with Mack or Pouncey I fear he gets pushed out of the 1st round. I think he gets overdrafted because he is Tops at his position. If you evaluate him as a G I feel there are better Gs than him including his team mate Zeitler who is a 2nd rounder. He is more of a positional cut off blocker. I think he would excell on a team who is in shotgun alot. He is going to struggle for a couple years with a guy lined up over him in a base front when they are coming downhill. I know he has alot of fans on this board but I would be very unhappy with him at #24.

I totally agree with you about DeCastro being the better than some of the OTs and Konz being somewhat elevated because of the position.

I like Zeitler but pretty sure he doesn't last until our pick at #56.

This really is setting up to be the draft where the Steelers won't be running to the podium to quickly. Obviously Decastro would be written on the card before the commish finishes saying "The Steelers are on the clock." If Glenn is still there, I think it will be easy choice unless something happens here over the process. But if not, I hope that phone is ringing. The group of prospects outside of those guys is so tight yet the drop off is really hurting the value. You add a name here or there to the draft you wouldn't hesitate to put them ahead of guys in the 25-32 range.

Trading back could really still get a guy that is on the board. Still get a Still, Poe, Hightower, Worthy, etc. Guys may move up and down here but like I said, there is some legitimate 1st rounders and the rest are lining up behind them. I truely believe this draft has much more value in rounds 2-4. I may seriously consider trading completely out of the 1st round for the right price just to get 4 or 5 picks in the top 100 rather than just 3. I think there is just as good of a chance some of these 2nd & 3rd rounders seeing the field as early as some of the 1st that may still be on the board with little to no drop off in production. I hope the Steelers don't face that choice with nobody wanting to trade up if their guys are off the board.[/quote:3u99gp4t]

I would not hesoitate to trade out of Round 1 if Glenn and DeCastro are both gone. The are Round 2 guys like Zeitler, Brandon Washington, Osemele, etc. whch could fix the Guard position.

At ILB, if we miss on Hightower with more picks you go for: Burfict or Audie Cole.

If you miss on Poe, you get Thompson (Clemson), Mike Martin, Ta'amu or Fangupo in Rounds 2-4. Especially for a two down position.

I agree that this draft will be a success or failure based upon Rounds 2-4 because we have to get younger sooner rather than later in key positions and we need more bodies to do that to fix the cap problem.

NW Steeler
02-24-2012, 03:53 PM
Isn't there a lot of talk about how "raw" Poe is? I cant see the Steelers drafting him if this is the case. I know people will point to the selection of Timmons, but I don't see it happening. There seems to be far too many other positions of need they can fill with their first round pick than taking a chance on a 2-down player.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-24-2012, 05:10 PM
Isn't there a lot of talk about how "raw" Poe is? I cant see the Steelers drafting him if this is the case. I know people will point to the selection of Timmons, but I don't see it happening. There seems to be far too many other positions of need they can fill with their first round pick than taking a chance on a 2-down player.

Poe is raw but that has alot to do with his level of competition and coaching. The interview process & drills will determine if the raw is a concern or simple coaching to tap his potential. The determination of Poe being 2 down player is what is up in the air. Is he a Ngata or a Ted Washington? Most would say they would be happy with either. NT is a positions of need right up there with G & ILB. Rate it anyway you want but that is the big 3.

steelblood
02-24-2012, 05:54 PM
I would take Decastro over any interior OL or ILB in this draft. I would go as far to say there might be only two OTs I would take over DeCastro in this draft. Pre combine & workouts....There is about 22-24 first round talents in this draft and everyone else is just lining up behind them.

As far as Konz, you put him in a draft with Mack or Pouncey I fear he gets pushed out of the 1st round. I think he gets overdrafted because he is Tops at his position. If you evaluate him as a G I feel there are better Gs than him including his team mate Zeitler who is a 2nd rounder. He is more of a positional cut off blocker. I think he would excell on a team who is in shotgun alot. He is going to struggle for a couple years with a guy lined up over him in a base front when they are coming downhill. I know he has alot of fans on this board but I would be very unhappy with him at #24.

Yeah, we'd all love top 12-15 talent at pick 24 like DeCastro. But, it isn't happening. I don't think Glen will be anywhere near our pick either. I don't get why evaluators see him as only a guard. Dude looks like a perfect RT to me.

I believe that Zeitler is a little stronger than Konz at the POA. But, I think Konz is a better pass blocker. Also, I felt like Zeitler was late off the snap in some of the games I watched. To be fair, I have never seen Konz play guard. So, it is not a fair comparison.

I like your point though that we can get a pretty good guard in round two (or maybe even three) with Zeitler, Silatou, Osemele, Washington, and company.

steeler_george
02-25-2012, 06:27 AM
I agree, If Glenn is gone at 24 we should look to fall back and gain more picks, the draft is said to be deep in G and NT.

Konz might be the highest rated center, but that 18 reps in the bench press should drop him some more.

Chadman
02-25-2012, 10:34 AM
[quote="NW Steeler":9ih9gz78]Isn't there a lot of talk about how "raw" Poe is? I cant see the Steelers drafting him if this is the case. I know people will point to the selection of Timmons, but I don't see it happening. There seems to be far too many other positions of need they can fill with their first round pick than taking a chance on a 2-down player.

Poe is raw but that has alot to do with his level of competition and coaching. The interview process & drills will determine if the raw is a concern or simple coaching to tap his potential. The determination of Poe being 2 down player is what is up in the air. Is he a Ngata or a Ted Washington? Most would say they would be happy with either. NT is a positions of need right up there with G & ILB. Rate it anyway you want but that is the big 3.[/quote:9ih9gz78]

Actually, in Chadman's opinion, despite how potentially dominant Poe could be, his level of competition should just about rule him out of Steelers contention.

He simply does not pass the Big Production/ Big Program mantra that Tomlin & Colbert have used in the first 2 rounds of every draft they have been together.

Hightower fits the bill & ticks every box. Chadman really likes Poe, but would be equally as happy with Hightower. After these guys, Chadman is sure Colbert & Tomlin will have a "First Round Bubble" that includes a couple of OL players, a WR, a SS, potentially another DL guy and possibly even a TE....names witheld at this point... :D

Shoe
02-25-2012, 11:44 AM
Konz is 6'5 315 pounds. He is athletic and excels as a run blocker. He is able to hit multiple targets and is very smart. He is an efficient pass protector.

What exactly is your objection to him playing guard? Converting from center to guard is quite easy.

I like that.
I haven't started following; I will now that the combine is started. This DeCastro kid... is he a pipe dream (in the last part of the first round)?

pick6
02-25-2012, 07:18 PM
18 reps. Pedestrian at best. I suppose my questions about Konz were well founded. I am thinking that we might be able to trade up in round 2 to get a day 1 starter at the guard position.

If we cant afford Wallace then imagine getting our solution at guard and still having 2 first round selections.

Steel Life
02-25-2012, 08:06 PM
[quote="NW Steeler":1jcy16tu]Isn't there a lot of talk about how "raw" Poe is? I cant see the Steelers drafting him if this is the case. I know people will point to the selection of Timmons, but I don't see it happening. There seems to be far too many other positions of need they can fill with their first round pick than taking a chance on a 2-down player.

Poe is raw but that has alot to do with his level of competition and coaching. The interview process & drills will determine if the raw is a concern or simple coaching to tap his potential. The determination of Poe being 2 down player is what is up in the air. Is he a Ngata or a Ted Washington? Most would say they would be happy with either. NT is a positions of need right up there with G & ILB. Rate it anyway you want but that is the big 3.[/quote:1jcy16tu]
Haven't seen a single article where its suggested Poe is only a "2-down" player. A guy with his athleticism & pursuit doesn't come off the field on 3rd down. I imagine after the combine Poe is going to become very popular & may be beyond our reach.

Slapstick
02-25-2012, 08:54 PM
[quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3yc6vu0d][quote="NW Steeler":3yc6vu0d]Isn't there a lot of talk about how "raw" Poe is? I cant see the Steelers drafting him if this is the case. I know people will point to the selection of Timmons, but I don't see it happening. There seems to be far too many other positions of need they can fill with their first round pick than taking a chance on a 2-down player.

Poe is raw but that has alot to do with his level of competition and coaching. The interview process & drills will determine if the raw is a concern or simple coaching to tap his potential. The determination of Poe being 2 down player is what is up in the air. Is he a Ngata or a Ted Washington? Most would say they would be happy with either. NT is a positions of need right up there with G & ILB. Rate it anyway you want but that is the big 3.[/quote:3yc6vu0d]
Haven't seen a single article where its suggested Poe is only a "2-down" player. A guy with his athleticism & pursuit doesn't come off the field on 3rd down. I imagine after the combine Poe is going to become very popular & may be beyond our reach.[/quote:3yc6vu0d]

Not every player can become very popular and be beyond the Steelers' reach...

RuthlessBurgher
02-26-2012, 01:01 AM
Konz is 6'5 315 pounds. He is athletic and excels as a run blocker. He is able to hit multiple targets and is very smart. He is an efficient pass protector.

What exactly is your objection to him playing guard? Converting from center to guard is quite easy.

I like that.
I haven't started following; I will now that the combine is started. This DeCastro kid... is he a pipe dream (in the last part of the first round)?

Yes, he's a pipe dream in the last part of the first round. He may come off the board in the early teens, actually. But if he lasts to the mid-teens, I continue to advocate trading up to get him. I think he's as close to a sure thing as you'll find in the draft (at a position that also happens to be our biggest weakness).

Chadman
02-26-2012, 09:19 PM
OL is possibly the one group that you simply can't get a good judgement out of from the Combine. No amount of bench pressing, 40-yard running, cone drills or jumping shows you the players ability to hold the line, open holes- generally play good OL football.

Peter Konz can play- regardless of how his Combine goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MCD6m7ixXg

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
02-27-2012, 11:14 AM
This isn't to fuel an argument but....I didn't like him before the combine and what I saw was confirmed. What he "DID" do at the combine explains what I see when I watch him on tape. Right now...He is a positional blocker and not a mauler. Will struggle with an NFL caliber NT on his face if asked to block him 1 on 1. That being said, he is a good football player. He has decent feet & is a good knee bender which helps with his leverage but lack of upper body strength will be evident early and his hand placement because of that will get him exposed. He could get better with time in the weight room and learning technique but to me he is being consider fist round talent because he is the best C in the draft. Would be best in an offense that is in shotgun alot early in his career. Not 1st round G talent. Zietler is better in space & on the move. Konz seems to miss & find targets on the move.

Best thing to do when you want to see a guy in game is watch game highlights not just career highlights. You get to see every snap good and bad. I put a link below of Konz against OSU & Zeitler. What made me frown the most was what Zeitler & Frederick did to my beloved PSU. Zeitler set himself up in that game and I thought Zeitler and Frederick's ability to combination block & Zeitler's trapping is what won that game. I didn't see Konz & Zeitler combination as much and most of the time I saw double teams. I question why after seeing the PSU game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4Ct96jlEc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phahBI8uxKw

pick6
02-27-2012, 08:24 PM
This isn't to fuel an argument but....I didn't like him before the combine and what I saw was confirmed. What he "DID" do at the combine explains what I see when I watch him on tape. Right now...He is a positional blocker and not a mauler. Will struggle with an NFL caliber NT on his face if asked to block him 1 on 1. That being said, he is a good football player. He has decent feet & is a good knee bender which helps with his leverage but lack of upper body strength will be evident early and his hand placement because of that will get him exposed. He could get better with time in the weight room and learning technique but to me he is being consider fist round talent because he is the best C in the draft. Would be best in an offense that is in shotgun alot early in his career. Not 1st round G talent. Zietler is better in space & on the move. Konz seems to miss & find targets on the move.

Best thing to do when you want to see a guy in game is watch game highlights not just career highlights. You get to see every snap good and bad. I put a link below of Konz against OSU & Zeitler. What made me frown the most was what Zeitler & Frederick did to my beloved PSU. Zeitler set himself up in that game and I thought Zeitler and Frederick's ability to combination block & Zeitler's trapping is what won that game. I didn't see Konz & Zeitler combination as much and most of the time I saw double teams. I question why after seeing the PSU game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4Ct96jlEc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phahBI8uxKw


Good post. I think the analysis is spot on. I like Zeitler in the 2nd if we don't move up to get Decastro or Glenn in the 1st. Did you see Zeitlers legs. If he could just move them around a bit quicker and cut the jersey grabbing a tad or get better technique with it. To get Zeitler in the 2nd we'd probably have to move up to the top half of the 2nd. What do you think?

hawaiiansteel
02-27-2012, 08:34 PM
I like Zeitler in the 2nd if we don't move up to get Decastro or Glenn in the 1st. Did you see Zeitlers legs. If he could just move them around a bit quicker and cut the jersey grabbing a tad or get better technique with it. To get Zeitler in the 2nd we'd probably have to move up to the top half of the 2nd. What do you think?


for some reason i'm gun shy about picking OGs from Wisconsin...

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/49/495547.jpg