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BigRob
02-08-2012, 01:12 PM
jimwexell James C Wexell
Learn how Steelers already dropped $6.5m in cap money by restructuring Woodley: mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f… Timmons next. Great job by Omar LY.

BradshawsHairdresser
02-08-2012, 01:29 PM
Good start...now we're only 13.5 million over the cap.

Of course, it would be nice to be UNDER the cap, and actually have a chance to get a stud FA offensive lineman...

aggiebones
02-08-2012, 01:32 PM
Like this every year. If we scrimped and saved like in the past and were able to bring in a nice OL, people would complain that we let some stud like Vrabel go.

Can't have it both ways. Signing your own still costs alot of money. We have successful players with 2 SBs, so they cost money. Our drafts compared to most are successful and 4 years later, they need resigned.

Our group does an incredible job considering who they have to pay for.
Look at Indy. They dump soo much in Manning that they lost all the players around him. Now nothing there. Pittsburgh doesn't bottom out and we are a threat every playoffs barring big injury bug like this year.

BigRob
02-08-2012, 01:34 PM
You also have to remember all of our RFA's and URFA. This will take quite a bit of cap space as well. There will still be lots of cuts.

Oviedo
02-08-2012, 01:48 PM
Good start...now we're only 13.5 million over the cap.

Of course, it would be nice to be UNDER the cap, and actually have a chance to get a stud FA offensive lineman...

Timmons, Troy and Hampton are probably the next logical contracts to renegotiate in that order. Like Woodley, Timmons is young enough that he will be around to see all the money.

BigRob
02-08-2012, 02:06 PM
Good start...now we're only 13.5 million over the cap.

Of course, it would be nice to be UNDER the cap, and actually have a chance to get a stud FA offensive lineman...

Timmons, Troy and Hampton are probably the next logical contracts to renegotiate in that order. Like Woodley, Timmons is young enough that he will be around to see all the money.

Hampton won't be restructured. The analyst have talked about this. He is in the second to last year of his deal? Simply not enough years left to restructure. His cap savings if he is cut is significant (5 Mil?).

I also think they could make enough room to take a run at Paul Soliai. He is a 3-4 Nose Tackle who is better than Hampton at this point, but is not going to command a lot of attention in FA.

They will cut him and try to re-sign him at the blue light special. Wexell is predicting Hines, Farrior, and Hamp will be asked to take the Bettis special for one more run.

I think they will cut Hines, Farrior, Hampton, Kemoeatu, Jon Scott, Mcfadden, and possibly more.

RuthlessBurgher
02-08-2012, 02:19 PM
Good start...now we're only 13.5 million over the cap.

Of course, it would be nice to be UNDER the cap, and actually have a chance to get a stud FA offensive lineman...

Timmons, Troy and Hampton are probably the next logical contracts to renegotiate in that order. Like Woodley, Timmons is young enough that he will be around to see all the money.

Hampton won't be restructured. The analyst have talked about this. He is in the second to last year of his deal? Simply not enough years left to restructure. His cap savings if he is cut is significant (5 Mil?).

I also think they could make enough room to take a run at Paul Soliai. He is a 3-4 Nose Tackle who is better than Hampton at this point, but is not going to command a lot of attention in FA.

They will cut him and try to re-sign him at the blue light special. Wexell is predicting Hines, Farrior, and Hamp will be asked to take the Bettis special for one more run.

I think they will cut Hines, Farrior, Hampton, Kemoeatu, Jon Scott, Mcfadden, and possibly more.

Kemo and BMac for sure. I think Arnaz Battle and Will Allen are as good as gone as well. Foote's fate will likely rest upon whether or not Farrior is willing to stick around for less $$$.

hawaiiansteel
02-08-2012, 03:02 PM
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MarkKaboly_Trib via twitter:

Is there a person within the #Steelers organization more important than Omar Khan? He never fails, and won't this year either.

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fezziwig
02-08-2012, 03:22 PM
What's the news with Aaron Smith ? Does he plan on coming back , is he wanted back and what kind of coin is owed to him ?

Oviedo
02-08-2012, 03:25 PM
What's the news with Aaron Smith ? Does he plan on coming back , is he wanted back and what kind of coin is owed to him ?

Sorry, but bringing Smith back would be a waste of the $1-2M likely required to keep him. Anyone really think he still could play in more than 8 games?

grotonsteel
02-08-2012, 03:42 PM
What's the news with Aaron Smith ? Does he plan on coming back , is he wanted back and what kind of coin is owed to him ?

Sorry, but bringing Smith back would be a waste of the $1-2M likely required to keep him. Anyone really think he still could play in more than 8 games?


Last i read somewhere Aaron Smith wants to come back. I think Aaron Smith re-negotiated his contract last season.

One thing though people have issue with OC, QB, OL, Db coach why does no one talk about D-line coach J Mitchell??

He has not developed a single young D-lineman in 4-5 years as far as i know. Ziggy Hood has regressed. We don't know about Heyward. We have no one behind Casey.

Steve McClendon maybe a started but we have not seen enough of him. Any other DE in the wings???

RuthlessBurgher
02-08-2012, 04:14 PM
MarkKaboly_Trib via twitter:

Is there a person within the #Steelers organization more important than Omar Khan?

Oh, I don't know...maybe Art Rooney, Dan Rooney, Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin, Dick LeBeau, Ben Roethlisberger, Troy Polamalu...need I go on?

BradshawsHairdresser
02-08-2012, 04:32 PM
Like this every year. If we scrimped and saved like in the past and were able to bring in a nice OL, people would complain that we let some stud like Vrabel go.

Can't have it both ways. Signing your own still costs alot of money. We have successful players with 2 SBs, so they cost money. Our drafts compared to most are successful and 4 years later, they need resigned.

Our group does an incredible job considering who they have to pay for.
Look at Indy. They dump soo much in Manning that they lost all the players around him. Now nothing there. Pittsburgh doesn't bottom out and we are a threat every playoffs barring big injury bug like this year.

I wasn't really complaining in my OP, just making a comment. I realize our chances of going after a proven OL in FA are slim, and I understand why...I was "wishing" out loud. And I agree that our FO does a pretty good job managing the cap. I do fear we overpaid for a couple of players, but then, one of them has agreed to restructure, so that's helpful.

When I said "it's a nice start," I meant just that...we're just getting started. Undoubtedly, there are some difficult cuts to make in the coming weeks. That's the way it is when you've got a bunch of aging stars.

Don't know if using Indy is a good example, though. We have what, $110 million invested in our franchise QB? And if he goes down, do you really think we have a lot of success? We might not go 2-14, but I'd guess we'd be nowhere close to 12-4, nor playoff bound. "We are a threat every year barring big injury bug"? Couldn't Indy say the same thing over the past seven or eight years?

fezziwig
02-08-2012, 04:55 PM
What's the news with Aaron Smith ? Does he plan on coming back , is he wanted back and what kind of coin is owed to him ?

Sorry, but bringing Smith back would be a waste of the $1-2M likely required to keep him. Anyone really think he still could play in more than 8 games?


Last i read somewhere Aaron Smith wants to come back. I think Aaron Smith re-negotiated his contract last season.

One thing though people have issue with OC, QB, OL, Db coach why does no one talk about D-line coach J Mitchell??

He has not developed a single young D-lineman in 4-5 years as far as i know. Ziggy Hood has regressed. We don't know about Heyward. We have no one behind Casey.

Steve McClendon maybe a started but we have not seen enough of him. Any other DE in the wings???

excellent points of view from both you guys. i never pay too much attention to position coaches but, your correct with what has he done to turn these young guys around or to have them make the next step. maybe it's the learning curve or something but, i would like to see a flash of why we grabbed these players at the number one spots.
to me ziggy this season should be more of a force in his third season. heyward too should shine somewhat if he is given the chance. i wish we could have gotten smith from the bengals before he went to the niners, that dude tears it up.

yes, aaron smith is done in my opinion and i forget what the stats are on him for how little he has actually played these past few years due to injury.
maybe they'll keep him as a backup or something because he is a vet and hoke is now gone but, you have kiesel for the vet influence and possibly hampton too if he remains with the steelers.

steelsnis
02-08-2012, 04:56 PM
What's the news with Aaron Smith ? Does he plan on coming back , is he wanted back and what kind of coin is owed to him ?

Sorry, but bringing Smith back would be a waste of the $1-2M likely required to keep him. Anyone really think he still could play in more than 8 games?


Last i read somewhere Aaron Smith wants to come back. I think Aaron Smith re-negotiated his contract last season.

One thing though people have issue with OC, QB, OL, Db coach why does no one talk about D-line coach J Mitchell??

He has not developed a single young D-lineman in 4-5 years as far as i know. Ziggy Hood has regressed. We don't know about Heyward. We have no one behind Casey.

Steve McClendon maybe a started but we have not seen enough of him. Any other DE in the wings???


I disagree with you on that one. IMO, the nature of the 3/4 defense is that the 5-technique defensive ends go largely unnoticed. Because a huge component of their job is to occupy blockers at arms length long enough to read the play and free up the backers as opposed to single-mindedly rushing the QB, their performances tend to get downgraded a bit more than they should.

I think back to the 2005 season when Kiesel had a really good playoff game vs. Denver (as a backup). Everyone was really high on him, but when he was made a starter in the next couple of years everyone complained that he wasn't getting it done. Now he's an invaluable member of the D-Line.

I have no problems with Ziggy's progression thus far and from what I've seen of Heyward, he looks to be a keeper as well.

It's a very specific role that is played by these guys, and in this scheme, I think they do it well.

Mo_Steel
02-08-2012, 05:20 PM
Like this every year. If we scrimped and saved like in the past and were able to bring in a nice OL, people would complain that we let some stud like Vrabel go.

Can't have it both ways. Signing your own still costs alot of money. We have successful players with 2 SBs, so they cost money. Our drafts compared to most are successful and 4 years later, they need resigned.

Our group does an incredible job considering who they have to pay for.
Look at Indy. They dump soo much in Manning that they lost all the players around him. Now nothing there. Pittsburgh doesn't bottom out and we are a threat every playoffs barring big injury bug like this year.


Here is an inter webs that looks back at last three drafts and who still has all, who totally dropped the ball and who just rides merrily along. Having trouble adding tags around this link from tablet, cursor won't move to where needed now can't remove brackets.

[] [/] http://www.drafttek.com/ConsolidatedNFL ... tillWT.ASP (http://www.drafttek.com/ConsolidatedNFLDraft-stillWT.ASP)

Slapstick
02-08-2012, 06:15 PM
Apparently, Mitchell is a victim of his own success...

He makes Smith, Hampton and Keisel into ten-year stalwarts and gets slammed for it... :roll:

fezziwig
02-08-2012, 06:27 PM
Maybe I view things wrong ? I always think number one picks should be impact and that really isn't the case.

I do remember everyone falling in love with Kiesel but when he became a starter........whew ! get that bum out of here. good thing us fans don't get our way.

Chadman
02-08-2012, 06:29 PM
Bagging Mitchell is a bit rough- he's overseen possibly the best 3-4 DL of the last 10 years, and it's been the cornerstone of the #1 Defense for how many years running?

As for not progressing any DL- well, Smith, Hampton & Keisel have been set for a number of years- who did you want to replace those guys? If anything- we should praise Mitchell for turning a proven 'nuffie' in Nick Eason into a solid rotational footballer, for helping an undrafted undersized NT in Chris Hoke be a 10 year vet, for taking an undrafted NT from Troy & having him step into the rotation and not stand out as a poor player in McLendon.

This new-found belief that Ziggy Hood has regressed is interesting- where is the regression? He stepped in as a starter 2 years in a row- the DL & Defense hasn't missed a beat. He's not a sack-artist, but he holds his point well & doesn't stand out as a poor player. What are you expecting? 12 sacks? From our 3-4 DE's? Fact is, for a 3rd year player- Hood has slotted in to a stable, excellent Defense, and not let anybody down.

This board cracks Chadman up- Pouncey gets hurt- we question him as a player & consider him a career injury threat. Hood doesn't obliterate his opposition- he's regressing. Sanders gets 2 seperate injuries, he's injury prone & likely a bust. Wallace gets consecutive 1000 yard seasons, but has flaws in his game- trade him, he's a bum...

The team is well placed going forward in a number of positions. Thankfully the coaches are oblivious to the obvious imposing doom overshadowing all their recent draft busts.

fezziwig
02-08-2012, 06:35 PM
then settled, mitchell is the new whipping boy.

Chadman
02-08-2012, 06:40 PM
FIRE MITCHELL!

pittpete
02-08-2012, 07:12 PM
This new-found belief that Ziggy Hood has regressed is interesting- where is the regression? He stepped in as a starter 2 years in a row- the DL & Defense hasn't missed a beat. He's not a sack-artist, but he holds his point well & doesn't stand out as a poor player. What are you expecting? 12 sacks? From our 3-4 DE's? Fact is, for a 3rd year player- Hood has slotted in to a stable, excellent Defense, and not let anybody down.
Anyone familiar with our defense knows not to expect many sacks from one of our DL.
Dont know why you would bring up sack totals.
Watching Steeler games earlier this year after Smith was out Ziggy didn't play well.
Teams were running on us and Woodley was blamed for dogging it because of Smiths absence.
So in all honesty, I dont recall Ziggy having a stellar year and can definitely remember discussing this during the season.
Regress, I wouldnt say he regressed for a 3rd year player.
I have high hopes for Zig next year.
Should be a beast :tt1

Jooser
02-08-2012, 07:18 PM
Give the Ball.....

oh, woops, sorry....wrong mantra around here.

grotonsteel
02-08-2012, 07:37 PM
This new-found belief that Ziggy Hood has regressed is interesting- where is the regression? He stepped in as a starter 2 years in a row- the DL & Defense hasn't missed a beat. He's not a sack-artist, but he holds his point well & doesn't stand out as a poor player. What are you expecting? 12 sacks? From our 3-4 DE's? Fact is, for a 3rd year player- Hood has slotted in to a stable, excellent Defense, and not let anybody down.
Anyone familiar with our defense knows not to expect many sacks from one of our DL.
Dont know why you would bring up sack totals.
Watching Steeler games earlier this year after Smith was out Ziggy didn't play well.
Teams were running on us and Woodley was blamed for dogging it because of Smiths absence.
So in all honesty, I dont recall Ziggy having a stellar year and can definitely remember discussing this during the season.
Regress, I wouldnt say he regressed.

Ziggy Hood stats (3rd year)

tackles - 19
Assist - 12
Sacks - 1.5

Aaron Smith (3rd year)

tackles - 23
Assist - 5
Sacks - 8.0

Now I know Steelers D-linemen are not suppose to rush passer. They are not suppose to sack QB (/sarcasm) but still those stats are not good. Its unfair to compare Ziggy with Aaron but come on Aaron was 4th Rd player.

On top of that we are now looking at NT position which is the most important position in 3-4.

grotonsteel
02-08-2012, 07:40 PM
Maybe I view things wrong ? I always think number one picks should be impact and that really isn't the case.




Rd 1 player should be impact player but i just don't see it happening with Hood. I hope they stay away from D-line in Rd 1.

draft a player in mid-round and develop him to occupy 2 blockers.

Slapstick
02-08-2012, 09:12 PM
1) Smith started for an entire season.

2) That year was an anomaly for Smith. He never got close to 8 sacks ever again.

Chadman
02-08-2012, 11:37 PM
Comparing Smith's 4th round grade to Hood's 1st round grade is also unfair.

10 years ago, how many teams played 3-4 compared to the Steelers?

Compare it to 2010 onwards.

The demand for 3-4 DL has grown dramatically, resulting in guys that would previously been mid-round talents becoming early round players.

Supply & demand.

hawaiiansteel
02-09-2012, 01:39 AM
Tuesday, February 07, 2012

Steelers Restructure LaMarr Woodley's Contract; Clear $6.5M In 2012 Cap Space

The Pittsburgh Steelers cleared $6.56 million of salary cap space by renegotiating the contract of outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley, a league source confirmed on Tuesday.

Franchised by the Steelers prior to last year's lockout, Woodley signed a five-year extension worth $52.5 million on August. Woodley received a $13 million signing bonus, $4 million option bonus and a $1.1 million base salary which resulted in a 2011 cap number of $7.7 million. In 2012, Woodley was due a $3.4 million base salary and had a $5.5 million roster bonus due on the 5th day of the 2012 league year for a cap number of $11.5 million.

On Monday, Woodley agreed to a restructure that lowered his base salary to $700,000. The remaining $2.7 million in base salary was combined with his $5.5 million roster bonus and converted into an $8.2 million signing bonus, which will be prorated over the remaining five seasons of Woodley's contract.

Woodley's cap number in 2012 is now $4.94 million.

Woodley's base salaries in 2013-16 were unchanged, but $1.64 million was added to each year's cap number.

Even with the Woodley restructure, the Steelers are still well over a 2012 salary cap that is not expected to increase much, if at all. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, safety Troy Polamalu and linebackers James Harrison and Lawrence Timmons each have cap numbers in excess of $9 million and are potential restructure candidates.

Posted by Brian McIntyre

http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2012/02 ... dleys.html (http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2012/02/steelers-restructure-lamarr-woodleys.html)

ikestops85
02-09-2012, 10:25 AM
Doesn't restructuring a contract just postpone the inevitable? Sure, we got relief this year but we've increased Woodley's hit by 1.64 million on the remaining years of the contract. There comes a time when you just have to pay the piper and reduce peoples contracts or cut them.

I'm by no means an expert at figuring out the salary cap but logic just tells me this isn't necessarily a good thing and will come back to bite us in the arse.

phillyesq
02-09-2012, 10:58 AM
Doesn't restructuring a contract just postpone the inevitable? Sure, we got relief this year but we've increased Woodley's hit by 1.64 million on the remaining years of the contract. There comes a time when you just have to pay the piper and reduce peoples contracts or cut them.

I'm by no means an expert at figuring out the salary cap but logic just tells me this isn't necessarily a good thing and will come back to bite us in the arse.

Restructuring does delay the inevitable. It's a delicate balance, and the Steelers typically do a pretty good job.

Down the road, Woodley, Ben, Timmons and others will have some huge cap hits. The Steelers better hope that league revenues continue to increase, which will minimize the impact of these restructurings down the road.

RuthlessBurgher
02-09-2012, 11:08 AM
Doesn't restructuring a contract just postpone the inevitable? Sure, we got relief this year but we've increased Woodley's hit by 1.64 million on the remaining years of the contract. There comes a time when you just have to pay the piper and reduce peoples contracts or cut them.

I'm by no means an expert at figuring out the salary cap but logic just tells me this isn't necessarily a good thing and will come back to bite us in the arse.

Restructuring does delay the inevitable. It's a delicate balance, and the Steelers typically do a pretty good job.

Down the road, Woodley, Ben, Timmons and others will have some huge cap hits. The Steelers better hope that league revenues continue to increase, which will minimize the impact of these restructurings down the road.

It's fine when you restructure guys that you expect to be around for years, converting base salary or roster bonus to signing bonus (there is no increase or decrease in total dollars, but both sides like it because the player gets that money up front while the team gets to defer some of the cap hit to future years). It's bad when do it and then have to cut a guy in the next year or two (guys like Hines or Farrior or Hampton won't get restructured in this manner...they'll actually have to accept a pay cut to stay). Guys like Ben and Woodley and Timmons will be here for the long haul. If you keep restructuring their deals, then the cap hit once they reach the final year of their contract will be huge, but that will force you to go back to the drawing board to work out a new long term deal at that point.

pittpete
02-09-2012, 06:19 PM
It's fine when you restructure guys that you expect to be around for years, converting base salary or roster bonus to signing bonus
Yuppers 8)