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hawaiiansteel
02-08-2012, 02:27 AM
Kovacevic: Haley's hire a nutty narrative

By Dejan Kovacevic, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, February 8, 2012


Nothing says you're nuts quite like aspiring to become the Steelers' offensive coordinator. Except, of course, accepting when they offer.

So, Todd Haley is nuts.

This became official when the team announced his hiring Tuesday by way of a written statement in which Haley described himself as "excited about the opportunity." You know, the opportunity to be an idiot when the Steelers lose, a bumbling obstacle when they win, and generally less popular than anyone in town except the county treasurer whose name you fill out on property-tax checks.

You've got to be nuts.

Just ask Bruce Arians, who dealt with all of that, won a Super Bowl, was fired by Art Rooney II and immediately latched on with the Indianapolis Colts to take the same job.

He's twice as nuts.

This whole offensive coordinator saga is nuts, actually, and it's hard to imagine it's playing out with a franchise as founded in non-nuttiness as the Steelers.

Let's start with Haley himself, whose behavior throughout his 15-year NFL coaching career has been outright certifiable.

How about the interview Haley granted to the Kansas City Star in December, shortly before the Chiefs fired him, in which he first swept a PR office for bugs he suspected were placed by upper management to spy on him?

Haley went on to tell that interviewer he also thought his cell phone, which he owned before joining that team, had been bugged by those same spies. Others have made similar accusations against the Chiefs' autocratic general manager, Scott Pioli, but no proof ever has emerged.

How about the relentless criticism in Kansas City that Haley was more about promoting himself than doing right by the Chiefs?

Jason Whitlock, Fox Sports' renowned Kansas City-based columnist, wrote in January 2011 that Haley tried to compensate for not having played football even at the high school level — back problems limited him to golf at Upper St. Clair — and that Haley was "too insecure to work in a professional manner with confident, competent people for an extended time." Indeed, Haley fired or pushed out two experienced offensive coordinators, Chan Gailey and Charlie Weis, in just two-plus seasons as head coach. Whitlock and others charged that those moves were made to get Haley more credit for the Chiefs' successes.

And, going off the rails a bit, how about in 2009, when Haley and his family sued a McDonald's for $1.7 million after his wife found a dead 6-inch rat in her salad?

Haley's lawyer riotously explained to the Associated Press that the ingestion of the rat caused "violent physical illness" — how do you lift a whole rat onto a fork to ingest anything? — that the store manager "brought them no comfort" when visiting their house, and that "the family needs closure" on the matter. They ended up securing an out-of-court settlement, not to mention securing Haley's perpetual place as the butt of rodent jokes.

Nuts, all of it.

And this is to say nothing of how Haley's spotty background won this job, how his pass-specialist pedigree will address Rooney's wish to bolster the run, how being passed over will sit with the rest of Mike Tomlin's staff and, in the biggest issue by far, how Haley might — or might not — coexist with Ben Roethlisberger. Haley has clashed with some of his best players, often in public.

Are the Steelers nuts, too?

Look, I had no issue with Rooney stepping in to make the call on Arians. Owners are right to get involved when they see something amiss, and they're right to help maintain a franchise identity. Rooney didn't want Arians in the role, and he got rid of him. That's only meddling if it happens regularly.

But to hire this guy?

Rooney had a longtime connection with Haley's father, Dick, the Steelers' famed personnel man from 1971-90, and this sure has the feel of that connection paying off. Yes, Tomlin interviewed Todd Haley. Yes, there's even a chance Tomlin liked him, though they appear to have zilch in common. But this process has Rooney's fingerprints from start to finish.

We know Tomlin wanted Arians back, but Rooney overruled him.

We know a few of Tomlin's players — notably Roethlisberger — pushed for quarterbacks coach Randy Fichtner to get Arians' old job, and Rooney evidently overruled that, too.

It's hard to tell what anyone's thinking on the South Side. Tomlin has barely made a peep since the Steelers were Tebowed, and he wasn't quoted in the team's statement Tuesday. Haley himself was whisked in and out of headquarters without a spoken word.

Pardon this pun, especially if you're picking through a salad, but I smell a rat.

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steelblood
02-08-2012, 08:49 AM
I like Dean K. He is among the best sports writers in the burg. But, the end of this article is full of suppositions that make me wonder if he is the one who is "nuts." To assume that since Fichtner was wanted as O.C. by some players certainly Rooney must have overruled Tomlin on his hire is sheer lunacy. It is an extrapolation of the craziest degree. He presents no evidence whatsoever that Tomlin wanted Fichtner.

Shawn
02-08-2012, 09:33 AM
I find it interesting that these writers talk about everything but the end result of his coaching...W's. He has a proven track record. I could care less if he is odd, socially ackward, nutty or anything of the like. If his coaching produces wins, then all will be good. If it doesn't his act will wear thin quickly and he will be fired. Easy enough.

SanAntonioSteelerFan
02-08-2012, 09:43 AM
I haven't posted about this topic before, but surely the expectations were expressed that there is a Steeler way, and Haley in one form or another said "I understand and agree to comply".

Then management decided the chances of that happening were pretty good.

I don't care about rants on the sideline, as long as the players notch wins it's just another piece of the puzzle. I don't think the perfect OC was banging down the door of the FO to coach here ...

Slapstick
02-08-2012, 09:53 AM
The solution is simple:

Haley designs the offense, formulates the game plan and calls plays from the press box...

Oviedo
02-08-2012, 10:17 AM
I like Dean K. He is among the best sports writers in the burg. But, the end of this article is full of suppositions that make me wonder if he is the one who is "nuts." To assume that since Fichtner was wanted as O.C. by some players certainly Rooney must have overruled Tomlin on his hire is sheer lunacy. It is an extrapolation of the craziest degree. He presents no evidence whatsoever that Tomlin wanted Fichtner.

:Agree Why would Tomlin, or Rooney, want Fichtner when he worked hand in hand with Arians on what was not working.

The more I think about it, Haley's hire is exactly what this offense needed. Arians had taken it as far as he was capable and to get to the next level we need someone who will light some fires under some folks and provide a fresh perspective.

Fichtner was too close to the problem and wouldn't had been objective.

feltdizz
02-08-2012, 10:29 AM
I like Dean K. He is among the best sports writers in the burg. But, the end of this article is full of suppositions that make me wonder if he is the one who is "nuts." To assume that since Fichtner was wanted as O.C. by some players certainly Rooney must have overruled Tomlin on his hire is sheer lunacy. It is an extrapolation of the craziest degree. He presents no evidence whatsoever that Tomlin wanted Fichtner.

:Agree Why would Tomlin, or Rooney, want Fichtner when he worked hand in hand with Arians on what was not working.

The more I think about it, Haley's hire is exactly what this offense needed. Arians had taken it as far as he was capable and to get to the next level we need someone who will light some fires under some folks and provide a fresh perspective.

Fichtner was too close to the problem and wouldn't had been objective.

:Agree too...

I wondered the same thing.. if Fitch worked with Ben all this time what does that say about his ability to get Ben to take less hits or tweak his game. I doubt much would change...

I also love the Jason Whitlock quotes.. that guy is the king of insecurity... funny how they mention bug sweeping like Haley is paranoid and then confirm that others have mentioned the same thing with KC's FO.

I agree on his early points about the OC position in Pittsburgh or anywhere for that matter... It's the most thankless job in football and your only considered great after you leave and the next guy is getting bashed.

RuthlessBurgher
02-08-2012, 11:19 AM
I agree on his early points about the OC position in Pittsburgh or anywhere for that matter... It's the most thankless job in football and your only considered great after you leave and the next guy is getting bashed.

If you are an offensive coordinator that is good at what you do, you won't get bashed mercilessly. Sure, Chan Gailey, Ken Whisenhunt, and Mike Mularkey were criticized for certain calls in certain games...that is inevitable...but they weren't consistently hated by Pittsburghers to the extent that, say, Ray Sherman, Joe Walton, or Kevin Gilbride were (I'll admit that Gilbride has been an effective O.C. in Jacksonville and New York, but his insistence of trying to force players to adapt a system that didn't fit their talents as opposed to the other way around was futile and infuriating). In my mind, Bruce Arians fits somewhere in the middle of those extremes along with Ron Erhardt.

Same goes for defensive coordinators, as far as I'm concerned...if you are good at what you do, you won't get bashed mercilessly. Dick LeBeau and Dom Capers got results and were beloved. Tim Lewis and Dave Brazil...not so much. Jim Haslett fits somewhere in the middle.

feltdizz
02-08-2012, 12:00 PM
I agree on his early points about the OC position in Pittsburgh or anywhere for that matter... It's the most thankless job in football and your only considered great after you leave and the next guy is getting bashed.

If you are an offensive coordinator that is good at what you do, you won't get bashed mercilessly. Sure, Chan Gailey, Ken Whisenhunt, and Mike Mularkey were criticized for certain calls in certain games...that is inevitable...but they weren't consistently hated by Pittsburghers to the extent that, say, Ray Sherman, Joe Walton, or Kevin Gilbride were (I'll admit that Gilbride has been an effective O.C. in Jacksonville and New York, but his insistence of trying to force players to adapt a system that didn't fit their talents as opposed to the other way around was futile and infuriating). In my mind, Bruce Arians fits somewhere in the middle of those extremes along with Ron Erhardt.

Same goes for defensive coordinators, as far as I'm concerned...if you are good at what you do, you won't get bashed mercilessly. bad word LeBeau and Dom Capers got results and were beloved. Tim Lewis and Dave Brazil...not so much. Jim Haslett fits somewhere in the middle.


I think it's easier to like an OC when you can point at the QB and say "well, look what he is working with..." vs "He has an elite QB and a ton of weapons..."

Oviedo
02-08-2012, 01:50 PM
I like Dean K. He is among the best sports writers in the burg. But, the end of this article is full of suppositions that make me wonder if he is the one who is "nuts." To assume that since Fichtner was wanted as O.C. by some players certainly Rooney must have overruled Tomlin on his hire is sheer lunacy. It is an extrapolation of the craziest degree. He presents no evidence whatsoever that Tomlin wanted Fichtner.

:Agree Why would Tomlin, or Rooney, want Fichtner when he worked hand in hand with Arians on what was not working.

The more I think about it, Haley's hire is exactly what this offense needed. Arians had taken it as far as he was capable and to get to the next level we need someone who will light some fires under some folks and provide a fresh perspective.

Fichtner was too close to the problem and wouldn't had been objective.

:Agree too...

I wondered the same thing.. if Fitch worked with Ben all this time what does that say about his ability to get Ben to take less hits or tweak his game. I doubt much would change...

I also love the Jason Whitlock quotes.. that guy is the king of insecurity... funny how they mention bug sweeping like Haley is paranoid and then confirm that others have mentioned the same thing with KC's FO.

I agree on his early points about the OC position in Pittsburgh or anywhere for that matter... It's the most thankless job in football and your only considered great after you leave and the next guy is getting bashed.


Scott Paoli worked with Bill Belichek. Why would anyone doubt he would do anything illegal or outside the norm. IMO it was due diligence on Haley's part.

papillon
02-08-2012, 03:11 PM
I like Dean K. He is among the best sports writers in the burg. But, the end of this article is full of suppositions that make me wonder if he is the one who is "nuts." To assume that since Fichtner was wanted as O.C. by some players certainly Rooney must have overruled Tomlin on his hire is sheer lunacy. It is an extrapolation of the craziest degree. He presents no evidence whatsoever that Tomlin wanted Fichtner.

:Agree Why would Tomlin, or Rooney, want Fichtner when he worked hand in hand with Arians on what was not working.

The more I think about it, Haley's hire is exactly what this offense needed. Arians had taken it as far as he was capable and to get to the next level we need someone who will light some fires under some folks and provide a fresh perspective.

Fichtner was too close to the problem and wouldn't had been objective.

If Rooney, Tomlin and Colbert allowed Arians to walk because they weren't happy with the Steeler offense and Fichtner worked closely with Arians, then why is Fichtner still employed? Hmmm....

Pappy

Oviedo
02-08-2012, 03:22 PM
I like Dean K. He is among the best sports writers in the burg. But, the end of this article is full of suppositions that make me wonder if he is the one who is "nuts." To assume that since Fichtner was wanted as O.C. by some players certainly Rooney must have overruled Tomlin on his hire is sheer lunacy. It is an extrapolation of the craziest degree. He presents no evidence whatsoever that Tomlin wanted Fichtner.

:Agree Why would Tomlin, or Rooney, want Fichtner when he worked hand in hand with Arians on what was not working.

The more I think about it, Haley's hire is exactly what this offense needed. Arians had taken it as far as he was capable and to get to the next level we need someone who will light some fires under some folks and provide a fresh perspective.

Fichtner was too close to the problem and wouldn't had been objective.

If Rooney, Tomlin and Colbert allowed Arians to walk because they weren't happy with the Steeler offense and Fichtner worked closely with Arians, then why is Fichtner still employed? Hmmm....

Pappy

Obviously since they didn't pick Fichtner they weren't too overly impressed. How long he is employed may ultimately be left up to Haley.

RuthlessBurgher
02-08-2012, 04:10 PM
I like Dean K. He is among the best sports writers in the burg. But, the end of this article is full of suppositions that make me wonder if he is the one who is "nuts." To assume that since Fichtner was wanted as O.C. by some players certainly Rooney must have overruled Tomlin on his hire is sheer lunacy. It is an extrapolation of the craziest degree. He presents no evidence whatsoever that Tomlin wanted Fichtner.

:Agree Why would Tomlin, or Rooney, want Fichtner when he worked hand in hand with Arians on what was not working.

The more I think about it, Haley's hire is exactly what this offense needed. Arians had taken it as far as he was capable and to get to the next level we need someone who will light some fires under some folks and provide a fresh perspective.

Fichtner was too close to the problem and wouldn't had been objective.

If Rooney, Tomlin and Colbert allowed Arians to walk because they weren't happy with the Steeler offense and Fichtner worked closely with Arians, then why is Fichtner still employed? Hmmm....

Pappy

Obviously since they didn't pick Fichtner they weren't too overly impressed. How long he is employed may ultimately be left up to Haley.

I don't believe coordinators have authority to hire and fire position coaches. They could make suggestions/recommendations to the head coach, but I believe that it is ultimately Tomlin's decision regarding all of the coaches working underneath him.

hawaiiansteel
02-09-2012, 02:19 AM
Is trouble brewing for the Pittsburgh Steelers?

Published on February 8, 2012 by Eric Schmidt


The Pittsburgh Steelers announced on Thursday, the hiring of Todd Haley as the team’s offensive coordinator, now you have to wonder if trouble is brewing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. QB Ben Roethlisberger was upset when the team parted ways with former offensive coordinator Bruce Arians. Roethlisberger and Arians were good friends and that relationship allowed Ben Roethlisberger more latitude in the offense, morphing into a pass-first scheme.

Todd Haley has a reputation as having an abrasive personality and has clashed with players in the past during his coaching career. NFL Network analyst and former Arizona Cardinals QB Kurt Warner said on Tuesday in regards to the hiring of Haley, “He’s a coach that’s not afraid to challenge guys regardless of where you stand in the hierarchy, how long you’ve been there, what your contract is, what kind of success you’ve had”. Todd Haley served as the Cardinals offensive coordinator while Warner was a member of the team.

Haley has had run ins with some of his former players such as QB Matt Cassel, WR Dwayne Bowe and WR Anquan Boldin. Although Ben Roethlisberger has said nothing publicly in regards to the hiring of Haley, you have to wonder when the eventual confrontation between the two will occur. While Haley served as head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, Haley had to physically be separated on the sidelines during an altercation with QB Matt Cassel.

Haley told reporters on Tuesday, “I’m excited about the opportunity to come back home and work for a tremendous organization.” Haley’s father was the director of player personnel in the 1970?s.

Warner added in regards to Haley, “I’m OK with a guy seeing me not play my best and get on for it, no matter how much success I’ve had and what I’ve accomplished.”

The Steelers will be the sixth NFL franchise Haley has worked for. His first job was as a scouting assistant with the New York Jets in 1995 and he has spent time with the Chicago Bears, Dallas Cowboys, Arizona Cardinals and most recently, he spent three seasons as the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.

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